The new TRD Brake Pads have just been released. :)

http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=447&Part_cat=11&parts_id=650

Ken
www.trdsparks.com

This is a good thing. The more parts the better.tc needs some stainless steel brake lines now.

Agreed!

There's already ss lines out. maybe not by TRD, but very good nonetheless... Just go to stoptech brakes or another major brake supplier/manufacturer and find ss lines for a celica GTS (00-05)

Those TRD pads look nice... I like the price, but where are the rears? And how do these perform compared to AXXIS/ Hawks/ Panther plus, etc....

I wonder if we could get someone to buy all four sets, install them, and then do legitimate braking tests and get back to us with all of the comparable results. lol Sorry about that. Just in a mood today. All I can tell you is that the TRD's will improve your performance.

Ken

There's already ss lines out. maybe not by TRD, but very good nonetheless... Just go to stoptech brakes or another major brake supplier/manufacturer and find ss lines for a celica GTS (00-05)

Those TRD pads look nice... I like the price, but where are the rears? And how do these perform compared to AXXIS/ Hawks/ Panther plus, etc....

Have you used the Celica's SS brake lines? IMO The rears aren't that necessary, they're non-driving wheels and under load, all the weight is transferred up front, hence the near-total absence of brake dust on the rear wheels.

Does TRD make a big brake kit? For Celica maybe?

TRD does make a big brake kit for the celica gts. i believe it is $1700. it seems that TRD would have a pad for the GTS by now. and would just sell the same one for the tc.

There's already ss lines out. maybe not by TRD, but very good nonetheless... Just go to stoptech brakes or another major brake supplier/manufacturer and find ss lines for a celica GTS (00-05)

Those TRD pads look nice... I like the price, but where are the rears? And how do these perform compared to AXXIS/ Hawks/ Panther plus, etc....

Have you used the Celica's SS brake lines? IMO The rears aren't that necessary, they're non-driving wheels and under load, all the weight is transferred up front, hence the near-total absence of brake dust on the rear wheels.

Does TRD make a big brake kit? For Celica maybe?

Nope...but I had ss lines all aorund on my WRX. Can't say if there was a difference between front and rears since they were all installad at the same time but if I was going to do them, I would just do all 4 at once. It's not that much more $$.

With AWD, I definitely would do all four. Do SS lines improve the pedal feel that much? I'd like to get some but I don't want to do it if it's not that big a difference. I mean I'm not AutoX'ing here, but I'm a daily stop-and-go driver and if they'd improve braking that much then I might consider them.

Call me crazy, but I see no difference in braking depending on whether your car is FWD, RWD, or AWD.

Well, unless you are giving the car gas and braking at the same time- if so I suggest counseling


I would be interested to see how much of an improvement the new brakes give you before shelling out $ for it. If it does improve the brake feel or stopping difference I would be very interested as that is something our cars could use some help with.

I would be interested to see how much of an improvement the new brakes give you before shelling out $ for it. If it does improve the brake feel or stopping difference I would be very interested as that is something our cars could use some help with.

same here.

The only current real world test that I have personal contact with, was on an MR2 and the hard braking driver got a 20% improvement in his brake pad life using the TRD's. These pads will be there when your originals are worn out and then you'll have at least two choices. The real test will be using these TRD's as the first replacement for your originals and letting everyone know how much of a change you got. FYI, the TRD Pads sell for less than the original equipment. Might be a real bargain.

Ken

SS lines do improve the feel for sure. It's much firmer. The tC's brakes are too soft for me, though I'm coming from a modified WRX so I was used to pretty aggressive brakes.

I did ss lines, new pads, better fluid and that was a great improvemet. I'm sure it will be the same for the tC. I eventually upgraded front and rear rotors as well, though that was more for looks than anything.

Under $40 for TRD pads isn't bad at all! escpecially since all the others I looked at were more than $75. hey look at all the folks spending more than $50 on stuff like tailight overlays or neon lights. At least this will be (hopefully) an improvement in performance.

hey Ken...do you accept the Toyota $50 gift certificate? if so, that's where my $$$ going!

Also..I see TRD pads come in both HP and HP-Z. Do you have both available?

Cool, then I'll definitely have to add SS lines to my list. Just wondering if the Celica's are an exact fit. Hell since I'll have the brake system apart, might as well paint the caliper's too.


Therotman, just my theory since in a FWD car all your driving momemtum is in the front wheels, so naturally you'd need more firmer brakes to slow the mechanics driving the wheels also. The rear wheels aren't connected to anything other than the hub, less weight to slow down. In AWD and RWD, the driving mechanics are attached to the rear wheels, so there's is much more mechanical momemtum to slow down, so larger brakes are needed at the rear in addition to the front brakes. Large front brakes are beneficial to all drivetrains due to the weight transfer upon braking.

This is just my theory (opinion) so no need to flame me if anyone disagrees.

The only current real world test that I have personal contact with, was on an MR2 and the hard braking driver got a 20% improvement in his brake pad life using the TRD's. These pads will be there when your originals are worn out and then you'll have at least two choices. The real test will be using these TRD's as the first replacement for your originals and letting everyone know how much of a change you got. FYI, the TRD Pads sell for less than the original equipment. Might be a real bargain.

Ken

So are the scion ones made the same way as the MR2 pads? what was 20% better? stopping differnece? fade? feel?

You guys may want to consider these high performance street pads.

63-223-0817 Front Axxis Ultimate pads for Scion Tc $47.95
63-223-0835 Rear Axxis Ultimate pads for Scion Tc $41.95


High max MOT. high co-efficient of friction make them a great street performance pad.

Axxis Ultimates are great!...had 'em on the old car. But man, they dusted like hell!

Plus I can't use my $50 gc towards them!!

HmMm TRD or Axxis HmMmM :tap:

i have raybesto ceramics on my maxima and these dust very little compared to the stock nissan ones i had. i also had SS lines on the maxima but didn't feel much of a difference considering they were close to $100 for the set. this made me doubt whether SS line for the tc will make any difference, especially since the stock ones are still pretty new and no where near worn. i doubt they will expand that much.

for those of my bretheren in the SoCal area. all u gotta do is take off the stock tC brake lines. drive to Earls in Hawthorne, and they'll make a SS set for you right then and there, just like OEM. no celica guesswork. and Earls is the best. oh and as for brake pads, im not sure if the have em for the tC yet, but ive found that Hawk pads are great and very affordable. bleh, im done.

The only current real world test that I have personal contact with, was on an MR2 and the hard braking driver got a 20% improvement in his brake pad life using the TRD's. These pads will be there when your originals are worn out and then you'll have at least two choices. The real test will be using these TRD's as the first replacement for your originals and letting everyone know how much of a change you got. FYI, the TRD Pads sell for less than the original equipment. Might be a real bargain.

Ken

So are the scion ones made the same way as the MR2 pads? what was 20% better? stopping differnece? fade? feel?

The 20% improvement was the life of the pad based on the mileage and the owner felt the pads had better stopping performance. All of the pads made for TRD are designed to improve performance over stock pads so in that sense they are like the ones on the MR2. Not trying to be vague, but TRD's desire is to make available an improved product, not a lesser product from stock and I don't have manufacturers' data to give you details on production processes and material percentages.

Ken

for those of my bretheren in the SoCal area. all u gotta do is take off the stock tC brake lines. drive to Earls in Hawthorne, and they'll make a SS set for you right then and there, just like OEM. no celica guesswork. and Earls is the best. oh and as for brake pads, im not sure if the have em for the tC yet, but ive found that Hawk pads are great and very affordable. bleh, im done.

Take off the brake lines and THEN drive to Earl's? Uh...no thanks...

How much would this cost anyways? Folks have already used the Celica lines so we know they work...

Here is what we have.
85-855-4500 Front lines $81
85-855-5500 Rear lines $67
Lines are all made in house, DOT approved, Each individually pressure tested vs testing one out of each batch. Lines are Teflon coated to protect the braided steel.

Hawk pads.
63-410-0817 Front Hawk HPS pads for Scion Tc $77


63-420-0817 Front Hawk HP+ pads for Sction Tc $98


I have heard of the rear hawk pads not fitting correctly. I'm not sure of the reason. I cannot guarantee fitment of the rear pads from Hawk.

The HPS are their performance street pad. Moderate to low dust and low noise. The Hawk HP+ have higher performance however they will make noises and create more dust.

Axxis Ultimates have higher friction values than the HPS, however not higher than the HP+. The friction value of the Axxis Ultimates is close to that of the HP+ . Axxis Ultimate will work at higher temperatures than both Hawk Pads.

The 20% improvement was the life of the pad based on the mileage and the owner felt the pads had better stopping performance. All of the pads made for TRD are designed to improve performance over stock pads so in that sense they are like the ones on the MR2. Not trying to be vague, but TRD's desire is to make available an improved product, not a lesser product from stock and I don't have manufacturers' data to give you details on production processes and material percentages.

Ken

Thanks for the info ken- I'm not to concerned with the life of the pads but more with any increase in performance of the brakes overall after the pads are replaced.

I'll add these pads to my want to buy list

moved...

i guess ill post my 2 cents...

first on braided SS lines.. if you want to track your car.. where you will grow your leg muscles braking.. then i say go with the braided SS lines.. " FOR SAFETY" reasons..

i have gone from regular factory brake lines to braided lines and i have not felt a bit of difference.. granted my present car is not a tc.. but factory brake lines do not give much if at all.. and i doubt you will get stiffer feeling brakes.. maybe mentally you will feel them.. but i doubt it is real.. again... this is just my expirience... BTW.. my present car is a 95 pontiac GTP..


on brake pads... i will probably use the trd pads when it comes time for a change.. or if i feel any significant amount of fade when i finally get the TC :tap:, just to test them out.. personally.. id go with performance friction z-rated if they are available.... PF pads are rough on rotors.. but they stop the car.. and only get better as they heat up.. i have tried other "performance pads" or "dust less" that are suppose to be as good as the PF pads.. and even with crossdrilled and slotted rotors.. fade cames in after 3 or 4 hard stops.. the PF pads will actually start to grab alot harder and start to feel like they are grinding....

the drawback to PF's z-rated pads... cold torque.. or the lack of... PF made some fomula change about 2 years back that made a positive difference in this area.. but the cold torque is still not the same as say your run of the mill pad.. ( cold torque is the grabbing power of the pad when say you are just driving out of your driveway in the morning and hit the brakes) they will stop your car.. but you may feel like something is just not right.. but 2 or 3 stops and they are 100%.... and when you decide to lean hard on your brakes.. when other pads will have alredy given out.. these puppies are just getting started.. but like said above.. for this stopping power you will pay with rotors..

as far as SS lines just being for the track? i think not. the whole purpose and intention of stainless lines is to PREVENT flexing of the brakelines which can happen thru daily driving. especially here in traffic ridden southern cali. of course you wont feel any difference at first but if you are an avid heavy-braker, the effectiveness int he long run is immensely valuable. yes SS brake lines can be pricy, but to a daily driver/nightly touge dirver. the cost is nothing to save your life. oh yea and they also help to redline your "BLING-BLING" gauge too!!!

2000-2005 Celica GT-S Pads will work for the rear as far as I have heard.

:wink:

Hey Ken you never answered me....

can you get both the HP and HP-Z TRD pads? if so, how much for the HP-Z?

And do you accept the $50 GC?

Thanks!

"Not for use on vehicles with Vehicle Skid Control"

I was interested in the pads... But what's up with that line? All tCs have vehicle skid control. I think that should be cleared up first because that threw me off a little.

Hey Ken you never answered me....

can you get both the HP and HP-Z TRD pads? if so, how much for the HP-Z?

And do you accept the $50 GC?

Thanks!

Never got your mail, sorry. The only pads we're going to carry are the HP's from TRDUSA. We're in the one region that is not participating in the TFS Gift Card Redemption program. I would if I could, but we can't redeem them.

Ken

"Not for use on vehicles with Vehicle Skid Control"

I was interested in the pads... But what's up with that line? All tCs have vehicle skid control. I think that should be cleared up first because that threw me off a little.
No they don't. They have ABS and EBD, but no VSC.

question.. what the HP and HP-Z TRD pads ??

I looked on TRD's website and they list 2 different types of TRD pads. HP and HP-Z. HP-Z seemes to be even more aggressive that the HP but it probably dusts more.

The reason the rear pads for the Celica GT-S don't fit the tC is because they don't use the same pad. Pretty simple, huh?

I've ordered a set of Goodridge SS lines for the GT-S (confirmed with someone who already installed GT-S lines that they work), I'll let you know how they work out.

I have EBC Redstuff pads all around now. Still bedding them in, but so far no problems, except for a bit of squeal from the fronts. They work fine cold, too. I'll let you know how they are in a couple hundred miles.

The rear pads are tiny. I've seen bigger pads on a kart. Seriously.