how much hp would my tc have it i got the short block built motor just straight motor no mods?

Dude, do some research. You'd loose power because they probably drop the compression.

i couldnt find it anywhere i looked and im still learning to im just askin

Scionlife is not the only place to learn about the basics of internal combustion engines. Google 'how does an engine work' If you find a website with a term you dont know or understand, google that word, you will learn yourself gud. I started from scratch and have a MUCH better grip on things after 3 real months of studying and learning.

alright sounds good thanks

Heres some info on Compression vs Boost
http://clubsciontc.com/forums/forced-induction-turbos-superchargers-50/compression-vs-boost-what-to-know-8973/

you are gonna turbo soon right? coz you will not gain anything without mods.. built short block is just to strengthen your motor to take the power your turbo creates.

I strongly suggest reading about forced induction and how things work, there are tons of infos you can find online or you can buy books. Remember the principles and concepts and not the hp the literature tells you, opinions can be subjective and vary from other sources

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Ace I have a pic of your car on the ssr as my background :bow:

There are obviously tricks to get power out of a n/a motor, and the build is a large part of that. HP gains are all about airflow and maximum compression without detonation, so for a n/a build you'd increase the compression ratio to maybe 11.5:1, get different camshafts, maybe a head port, and a stand-alone ECU to retune more agressive (i.e. leaner) and up the RPM over the stock limit.

Realistically since no one builds for n/a all parts would need to be custom, it would cost between $5-7k before the tune, and you'd max. out around 200 WHP. Unless you're just trying to be that different, it's cheaper to turbo, and with a higher potential for gains (300-400 WHP).

There are obviously tricks to get power out of a n/a motor, and the build is a large part of that. HP gains are all about airflow and maximum compression without detonation, so for a n/a build you'd increase the compression ratio to maybe 11.5:1, get different camshafts, maybe a head port, and a stand-alone ECU to retune more agressive (i.e. leaner) and up the RPM over the stock limit.

Realistically since no one builds for n/a all parts would need to be custom, it would cost between $5-7k before the tune, and you'd max. out around 200 WHP. Unless you're just trying to be that different, it's cheaper to turbo, and with a higher potential for gains (300-400 WHP).


I agree 110% but 200whp mark has been broken with under 2k in parts and usually no extensive head work, OS valves, 7 angle valve job, or stroker kits for that matter, thing with the ptuning block is that its low compression,(boost) but our motors our low right out of the box so really if you got it custom tailored to your specs, it would be a bullet proof ( no gain ) stockish-block

plz read man and ask ptuning themselves maybe its like all you do is make threads b4 even trying to learn the basics of anything cmon man

short blocks dont only come with low compression pistons. you can throw hi comp pistons in it for a N/A set up. im pretty sure thats what hes askin

^ was asking bout ptuning short block so its a FI short block.. sure he can let them put high comp pistons instead but the OP is doing research on FI, looks like he is going that route later on but just want to check if he would gain without putting the turbo system yet

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Ace I have a pic of your car on the ssr as my background :bow:

awesome! lol

Dude, do some research. You'd loose power because they probably drop the compression.

I'm sure if you tell them you want different CR they will do it, its your money you are spending.

should gain about 145rwhp

We could offer an N/A short block. I think it would be interesting to see the end results.

Someone should offer a stroked turn-key package, I would be all over that.

Someone should offer a stroked turn-key package, I would be all over that.

Stroked = not impressed. Effectively shortening the redline. It will be like a pickup truck then with a 5K redline. Destroke to a 2.3 or 2.2L and rev to the moon, then you have me interested.

lol but you work for dezod make it happen! I have faith!

Stroked = not impressed. Effectively shortening the redline. It will be like a pickup truck then with a 5K redline. Destroke to a 2.3 or 2.2L and rev to the moon, then you have me interested.


Would this equal to a loss is tq? Im just starting to hear more and more bad news about trying to stroke my motor.

Yeah stroked is. Not allways better

The cams you use will adjust where the power comes in, thats their whole point, they allow you to adjust where the engine hits peak volumetric efficiency. Theres no reason that you couldnt run a stroked n/a making power to 7k+rpm. You just need to make sure you use proper bearings and a high flow/high pressure oil pump or sump/pump setup. Stroking an engine, all other variables being equal, will lower where peak torque comes in and where peak hp is reached, but using proper VE modifications, you can harness that increase in displacement to allow more charge into the engine at any given rpm, therefore netting more power at any rpm. Truck engines have low duration and moderate lift cams designed to turn the high displacement into high torque, (22re, 3rzfe) therefore they run out of air flow as the cams and valve size begin choking charge flow after 3400rpm. More displacement=more potential energy per revolution=more power output. You just need to make sure you adjust the engines VE curve to take advantage of the power output either at low RPM (in the form of increased torque), or in the higher RPM range (as an increase in HP). Its the basics of internal combustion engines.


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We could offer an N/A short block. I think it would be interesting to see the end results.

I'd be very interested in this as well. I'm not a huge fan of turbos, as there are so many more parts that can potentially be problematic. I've been following TCPete and a few others with their n/a builds. I'd love to see what you guys could get out of a 2AZ built for n/a power. If a reputable shop like Dezod can build a durable daily-drivable n/a motor putting down 230+ whp with a decent powerband, I promise I'll be one of the first on your list! If I was even remotely close to you, I'd let you play with my car just to see what you could do.

Build it, and they will come!

~Laken

no lie it would be really great, you guys offer the brian crower stroker kits already, you should do a mild and wild setup short block for NA, alot of people would be interested.
me too because thats less running around to different shops

The topic of built NA Scion tC motor was brought to our attention years ago by numerous customers. However, after providing these customers with cost per HP gain, most opted to go the turbo route.

If there was truly enough demand for NA built, we would have done this build long ago. This topic seems to come up every now and then, but again those that are truly interested and can afford to go this route seems to be only a few.

This is something that we will keep in mind should the demand for built NA Scion tC motor changed in the near future.

:clap: well cmon people lets start demanding this thing!

I think we'd need a little more info before trying to guage interest... potential power output, cost for the block and heads, what would be needed aside form the engine itself (fuel pump, ignition, etc...)

At least a basic estimate would be nice.

Well to both of the above vendors, I am sure both would do a custom one off for a customer, am I correct? If so, what would be a "ballpark" on a turnkey system
saying for instance just simply motor and tuning, and assume the customer has a healthy shortblock/longblock and supporting mods..