Throttle body spacer [Archive]

disco

03-05-2005, 02:46 PM

Derk-xB

03-05-2005, 03:04 PM

1) I think velocity stacks are only good for carb'd cars. I could be wrong.
2) Don't buy the Tornado unless you like plugging up the intake tube with something. That thing is PURE and UTTER BS. Think about it...how CAN it work? Not attacking disco, just attacking the Tornado.

jct

03-05-2005, 03:38 PM

1) I think velocity stacks are only good for carb'd cars. I could be wrong.

i think your right on that one or TBI setup's for that colder denser air fuel mix

disco

03-05-2005, 04:45 PM

No atacks, no problem, the whirlwind effect from incoming air due to the spiral effect of the insert. It actaully does not rattle you have to litterally push it in. This helps air channel thru the engine faster to the exit. That is all. I have a Injen SR that is all you need on this 4 banger.

mikem53

03-05-2005, 05:26 PM

I did a throttle body with my truck, it works and looks good. Try the Tornado Air Channeling device, slides right in the intake tube. This gives a whirling wind effect throughout the engine. I used this too, sounds good and actually felt a different response throughout the pwerband. Nothing intense but money well spent and gas mileage was way better. Far cheaper!!!

The tornado is total BS. It is a restriction in the intake system. It robs the intake air velocity by having to spin the thing and it takes up space.
It may feel different, but its not doing any good...

jct

03-05-2005, 06:42 PM

if you need a tornado then for sure you need one or more for the exhust like one every few feet or so too get the full effect :silly:

hotbox05

03-05-2005, 06:55 PM

I had a tornado and that piece of crap decided to move and get in and stick my throttle at wot on my old supra i was scared , lol.

unlmtdndeavor

03-06-2005, 10:17 AM

Say NO to the tornado!!

Sciond

03-06-2005, 10:43 AM

still spacers? anybody?
yes velocity stacks are for carbs, and the Tornado gives almost as much horsepower as a ScionLife sticker!

cseika

03-06-2005, 12:00 PM

still spacers? anybody?
yes velocity stacks are for carbs, and the Tornado gives almost as much horsepower as a ScionLife sticker!

Really!!? Wow I gotta go grab one now! After i put on my Scionlife sticker , i've been pulling on all the STI's and G35's!! Now imagine with this tornado!!

jct

03-06-2005, 12:21 PM

still spacers? anybody?

i don't think so

TXboxdriver

03-07-2005, 01:47 AM

wrong type of fuel injection to benefit from a "spacer"

usually reserved for TBI engines

making your intake longer on this vehicle will totally "untune" the enigne and probably be less driveable

Toyota engineers should not be underestimated

LavabB

03-07-2005, 01:55 AM

:bow:

sombody knows their ____e!

:clap:

Derk-xB

03-07-2005, 02:32 AM

Toyota engineers should not be underestimated

Werd. :clap:

luckydog

03-07-2005, 04:37 AM

making your intake longer or shorter will have no effect on "tuning" that is taken care of inside the manifold with the plenum and runners piping air to the manifold will do nothing. long intakes are for getting air from a cooler spot hence cold air intake. the tornado may be a peice...but the idea is sound when you spin the intake like a vorticee the presser goes down higher pressure out side the intake moves to lower pressure inside the intake causing a denser charge of air with a higher velocity. more air more power.

unlmtdndeavor

03-07-2005, 08:37 AM

jeems

03-09-2005, 05:19 PM

so still nobody knows if they make a spacer

cseika

03-09-2005, 07:46 PM

I don't see the point on our cars! As far as I'm concerned, TB spacers are used, not because of that air swirling BS but because it keeps the heat from the Engine to the metal intake manifold away from the TB/Intake so your air in theory won't get as hot. Have you ever touched an aluminum or iron intake manifold when the engine is hot? That ____ is HOT, can't even keep your hands on it....

As for our scion, Once again, ingenious Toyota Engineers have not only placed our intake manifold right behind the grill but also used plastic which does not conduct nearly as much heat.... so.. Therefore defeating the purpose of the TB spacer... guess thats y no legitimate has it yet because it just does not yeild much HP.....

Xbilly

03-09-2005, 08:07 PM

The tornado air does not spin! It is a static unit, it just sits there. It has little metal fins that guide the passing air into a spiral. It was designed to channel air through your intake more efficiently. I had one on my crx, It made a difference, but i didnt put it on my xB cuz I have an Ingen SR and there are no obstructions to "channel" air through. Still its not worth $75.

TXboxdriver

03-09-2005, 08:24 PM

"they" do not make a spacer
"they" will not make a spacer

spacers are not for this type of fuel injection

and luckydog, are you quoting a site or something
the throttle body is an integral part of the intake manifold design, it is part of the calculation for manifold runner length in fuel injected cars

and the pressure drop you are describing is what happens every time the throttle opens wider than idle

the pistons actually "suck" air/fuel in on their "intake" down-stroke
and "push" gases out on the exhaust stroke up-stroke

and yes, the Tornado will only boost the performance of their company's stock value, not HP in your car

jct

03-09-2005, 10:38 PM

an engine is really an air compressor!!! well thats just a givin anyways if you really think about it

luckydog

03-10-2005, 02:18 AM

no the throtle body is not a part of the manifold design. it is nothing more then a valve that lets air pass into the plenum. and no the pressure drop is not from opening the throttle. that is a vacuum drop it does reduce pressure but that is not what i was meaning. when you spin swirl cause to twist spiral or what ever you want to call it. spinning air, like a tornado, reduces air pressure. bernulli. high pres. moves to low pres. allowing the air to move faster and smoother. this lets more air travel in the same amount of time. the MAF reads the extra air and adjust air feul ratio by adding fuel. increasing power. more air in more air out more power. air in takes do this by reducing the restrictions in the stock intake. allowing more air in the engine.
an engine is an air pump it is all based off of volumetric efficiency. any thing you can do to increase efficiency will increase power and fuel economy. that is why the best thing you can do to a stock motor is add headers exhaust and some kind of smoother intake. the factories do not do this because there is an increase in the noise that is made. most people want a nice quiet car that does not bother the neighbors.

kidkamel

03-10-2005, 06:23 PM

I had a Helix Power Tower on my truck I like it a lot. Not to noticable on power. Too bad Helix does not have one for the scion, but they do for hondas and some toyotas

Check it out http://www.streetandperformanceelectronics.com/hptp.htm

nmuk152

09-01-2006, 01:37 AM

Do they make one for the Xb?
I've already made them for the scion xa,xb. I'm still trying to get a dyno result of the basline before and after, but I will post them as soon as they're ready.

Already checked the fitment quality and everything is looking great. As for gains, I've gotten a really good feeback/response as far as that matters, but I'd rather show proof of it when its ready.

Here's a link to the other ones I've made for my car and the 350Z, if you want to check to quality of my work.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/designedchaos/Dsc02657.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/designedchaos/Dsc02646.jpg

Here's a dyno sheet, with my car running on a dirty maf:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/designedchaos/Dsc02414.jpg

And here's the one I made for the scion, which has not yet been sent out for anodizing.
Sorry Picture will be available tonite.
btw, these will come with all the necessary hardware, 3 bolts and two oring gasket.

Nimo

pandaslayer

09-01-2006, 01:40 AM

I'd be very intersted in this.

Reactor

09-01-2006, 01:54 AM

I would be interested to at least try it out. Should be a simple bolt on especially with short ram. So what are we to expect out of it? Better torque? It may work or it may not, but if you make it nice and shiny every kid is gonna buy it.

hotbox05

09-01-2006, 06:05 AM

i'd give it a try how much approximately ?

Chops

09-01-2006, 06:15 AM

Isn't this just what some people do called "rifling"? (Only I think it's normally done to the engine, not a spacer)

hotbox05

09-01-2006, 06:25 AM

it's like the rifling of a rifle's barrel , and can be done to intake runners , intake manifolds , intakes , throttle bodies , throttlebody spaces , and yeah. it's to get whatever the object going through the piping to swirl. straighter shot from a gun , better air fuel mixture in a car , better flow with water or liquids.

Chops

09-01-2006, 06:29 AM

Yeah, I saw on some cooking show (this will tie in, hold on) some guy started to empty a bottle of vodka into a large pitcher and swirled it around so it started to make a "tornado" and it did come out faster...

*shrug* Who knows, maybe this'll work...

jct

09-02-2006, 02:13 PM

i'd buy one but not this year thou

TuningIsLife

09-02-2006, 05:27 PM

Thats Hot looking. I'd rock it.

metal112524

09-02-2006, 07:44 PM

me too, well for the right price that is? pics of our spacer yet??

jct

09-02-2006, 09:09 PM

heres a need to know question, aftermarket intakes... well besides need too make more room for it too fit and slightly longer wiring for the MAF...

joffficer

09-03-2006, 07:20 PM

In my 5.0 mustang days we'd make/install a phenolic spacer for between the upper and lower intake plenums. It was only there to help keep the upper cool.... there's a heck of a lot of aluminum up there on a 5.0L.

Our tiny little 1.5's with the plastic intakes hanging off the side don't suffer from that problem. I don't see how a spacer or anthing else stuck in the intake (ie. Tornado) would help. If anything, maybe a larger diameter TB.

kidkamel

09-10-2006, 08:06 PM

nmuk152

09-11-2006, 02:06 AM

Well, the one I made for he XA,XB are waiting to be ship to one of your forum members, so that they do the dyno for us. And we are still in the process of completing one for the TC. So results for the scion will be held back for another saturday since this saturday was spent working on our 350z spacer.

I am looking 75.00 shipped for the spacer when everything clears.

Nimo

eggie

09-28-2006, 02:43 AM

heres a need to know question, aftermarket intakes... well besides need too make more room for it too fit and slightly longer wiring for the MAF...

I was just about to state that same thing after looking things over under rthe hood.

With my AEM intake, I'd have to do some modifications to make everything fit properly.

hotbox05

10-09-2006, 04:59 AM

how can i purchase one , thanx.

lppro-xb

11-14-2006, 12:29 AM

ya i am interested to but i would like to see some results first....

keg79

11-14-2006, 12:45 AM

i've got one ........seems like it does some good.
i don't have access to any kind of dyno but my box does seem a bit more peppy.
you can find them on ebay for about $ 30.00
only thing is the ones i've seen there aren't exactly like the first ones that were on there.......no swirls on the ones there now.........i got the one just like in the picture with the swirls.

eggie

11-14-2006, 02:35 AM

Did you have to modify anything? What intake do you have?

bB2NER

11-14-2006, 03:37 AM

75 shipped is about right. how long before we can order one please? I know they work because there are several available for Jeep 4.0s.

RTon20s

11-14-2006, 09:06 PM

Define work. :)

Work as in... Makes money for the manufacturer?

Or work as in... Increases performance and/or efficiency on a given engine?

This really has to be checked on an engine by engine basis. Some engines see improvements with throttle body spacers, some don't. Until I see some sort of empirical evidence that there is a benefit to the spacers on the 1NZ-FE (in an xA or xB), I'm not willing to drop the coin. $75 for a chunk of aluminum that may, or may not have a benefit is a little steep.

ALL_80X3D_UP

02-09-2007, 02:12 AM

are these still available? i am interested

lem

03-05-2007, 06:32 AM

are these still available? i am interested

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BLACK-SCION-xB-xA-THROTTLE-BODY-SPACER_W0QQitemZ300086496561QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38634QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TuningIsLife

03-05-2007, 07:13 AM

Noone ever proved the worth on these. I would like to hear some feedback.

lem

03-05-2007, 07:18 AM

Noone ever proved the worth on these. I would like to hear some feedback.

would like to hear some feedback also..........

rallying_the_scion

03-05-2007, 02:39 PM

There is a LONG thread on another site abou these, yes, some one makes them. but all everyone did was say it did/didnt work. The ones that had it installed claimed better throttle response and that was about it. No dyno pulls were done, but people were trying to do it, but for some reason gave up. So im guessing they really didnt do much.

jct

03-05-2007, 03:09 PM

i still like to know how it fits with after market intake like the injen CAI does the holes still line up after that spacer is installed, is there any rubbing from the intake to the battery???

aye87

09-10-2007, 02:21 AM

update?

aye87

09-21-2007, 01:21 AM

for install one of these TB spacer, how do you make it work with ATF stick in the way and MAF aren't long enough with some intake?

172

10-26-2007, 02:29 PM

still alive on the SPACER thingy?
:yawn:

172

11-09-2007, 10:04 AM

any more reviews?

Nastos

05-08-2008, 05:55 PM

no dyno on this yet?

DarkSide_xB

05-09-2008, 11:46 PM

check out FastScions.com they have them on there.

TomsTC85

06-13-2008, 01:06 AM

I just installed mine on my 06 tc with full CAI (k&N) and Injen exhaust. first impressions are that it made the intake louder, and that the car does seem to be a little more peppy. I can equate it to how the car felt when I first installed the intake...so hey for $60 shipped from OBX...i think its worth it...to each there own