I was just wondering if anyone has heard of any news about when and if its ever going to come out.

I was doing some research and I didnt find any answers, I was hoping maybe someone knws anything about it.

i was wondering the same thing myself

I think they are still in production. The prototype was already made.

hmm I hope that they weren't serious about a 900 MSRP that was rumored from the prototype.

jesus 900 for a header... i want mine 14k gold plated

MahalzKita already has one on his tc. says its pretty damn good.

It's not going to be $900MSRP, that's just crazy. DCs sell for like $275.

Maybe the Weapon*R tC Header will be a copy of another company's header, similar to what they did for the Mercury Cougar/Ford Contour headers. Got their hands on the MSDS Inc Cougar headers, sent them to Taiwan, and massed produced them.

Nice, eh?

Well lets see Nick... Since no other company makes a header with a S-pipe for the tC, I am pretty sure they are designing their own header...

And for the record, MSDS still sells their products at $600-$700 in Aluminized Ceramic coated Steel where as WR is $339 in Polished Stainless Steel.... Weapon R caters to the customers needs, not their wallet like MSDS and other companies.

He's got a point its kinda hard to copy if your the first with an S-pipe and its nots like headers are very complicated so designs are gonna be similar because it still has to start with 4 ports and go into one. As for the price none of their headers according to there site it shouldn't be over $280.

The header is currently in the production stages, and should be available in a few months. The header is an original design, prototyped off of Mahalzkita's tC. The MSRP of $900 is correct. This header is a full length, 4-2-1 full race header, made of highly polished 304 stainless steel. It will not rust, chip, or throw a CEL.

900.00 WOW thats alot
how much hp tq gains?

it better be able to make my car do a backflip for 900. or somthing realllly cool.

it better be able to make my car do a backflip for 900. or somthing realllly cool.

:clap:

that would be soo cool if cars could do back flips, wait iv seen it happen in lemans races

im sorry but for maybe the select few 900 is obsurd

$900!?!?!? are u kidding? wait up, wait up... is this a racing header? as in not street legal? I could understand if it gave super-awsome gaines at the sacrifice of street use...

By the way... two questions:

1 what is the s-pipe?
2 which is better: 4-1 or 4-2-1? and why? (ok, so really 3 questions (:

^ same questions

plus..any spy pics? or sample pics of what it might look like?

lol........................once again this is why im buying the alpha works header, cause it gives the same gain for $400 cheaper and it doesn't rust or throw a CEL.

Thats just ridicuous $900 im sorry man.

Im going Alpha I/H and CC Exhaust

lol........................once again this is why im buying the alpha works header, cause it gives the same gain for $400 cheaper and it doesn't rust or throw a CEL.

Thats just ridicuous $900 im sorry man.

Im going Alpha I/H and CC Exhaust

Same Gains :no: ? We don't know anything about it yet... if its a true racing header it would be worth it b/c it could add 25 hp.

might be worth it if its 25whp
maybe

lol........................once again this is why im buying the alpha works header, cause it gives the same gain for $400 cheaper and it doesn't rust or throw a CEL.

Thats just ridicuous $900 im sorry man.

Im going Alpha I/H and CC Exhaust

Same Gains :no: ? We don't know anything about it yet... if its a true racing header it would be worth it b/c it could add 25 hp.

Dude look at there dyno :no:, as you can see it's about the same numbers with I/E was 159.8hp 160.3tq.

Now race header wise :tap: 25hp? $900 im still going to be on the edge....but I want to see numbers of actual 25hp gains.

Where is the dyno?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: This header is a full length, 4-2-1 full race headerFor a TC? Haven't seen too many TCs on the race circuit as of yet.

Do you ever say anything positive and you can talk you have an xb... your starting to act like cybergypsy

Scott17, please remove the bug outta your ___, your posts have been real negative lately. You're starting to get as bad as the cybergypsy. People are out there autoX'ing Xa's and Xb's, so why is a race header for the tC so rediculous?

Personally $900 is a bit steep for a header considering most everyone elses is sub-$300. What makes this one so special? And being a race header, is it street legal?

Yes Scott17 is an idiot and don't pay any attention to anything he says. He thinks he is god of the cars since he is a certified technician. Thats what I am in school for and it doesn't take any skill to pass a written test for certification. I am pretty positive he has no idea about anything considering he posts in a TC forum and drives a stock XB.

it doesn't take any skill to pass a written test for certification.Haha, you are proving your ignorance once again. When you become a Master Diagnostic Technician (it should be real soon since it is so easy!)I will be very interested to see if you still share some of the ignorant opinions you now post . I am definately not like cybergypsy at all. I don't hate the TC, actually I think its a great car. The only thing I take exception to is young, ignorant, deluded kids who propagate misinformation on a public forum where other young, ignorant, deluded kids pick it up and pass it on. 25 whp from a bolt-on header on a street car for "only" $900? Yeah, right. You guys are smart enough to use a computer to post here, why not do some FACTUAL research and learn some of the theory and workings of the internal combustion engine instead being the gullible fan-boy suckers to shady at best advertising? The Society of Automotive Engineers have enough research material that is factual and unbiased to answer any question you may have about anything concerning engines. And yes, my wife has an XB, I drive a truck actually. I don't race anything anymore. I raced motocross for 27 years and still have bikes to fulfill my speed fix on occasion. The XB is a fun car, NOT a race car, and I was never under the impression it ever was. I am not saying these cars cannot be improved upon, within reason, but let's try to keep it at least a little more realistic. P.T. Barnum said it best: "There is a sucker born every minute" :lalala:

25WHP from a header is possible no matter what you may think. The TRD Race Team Header for the 2000-Up Celica GT-S adds 30WHP and don't tell me it doesn't because I have seen the chart and it was designed by the TRD Japan Race Team. There were only about 10 ever released but just to let you know it is possible and you don't know everything.

I guess we all forgot Scott17 has a Phd in mechanical engineering. :lol:

Who's more ignorant? The ignorant, deluded kids or the jackass that argues with them?

Maybe if you treated some of the people on here with respect, they'd be more open to your knowledge, instead of ramming it in their face with your "I'm the smartest f%&*ing guy in the universe and you all suck" attitude. The first sign of intelligence is to admit you don't know everything, this is something I suggest you do.

I never claimed to know everything and am well aware of my own shortcomings. As for mocking my education, I do happen to have a BS in physics and an AAS in Aviation Technology. These don't add up to a hill of beans without common sense, which is all I am suggesting that you use. :pray:

There are three factors to pricing, Materials, Design, and Quality. We use only high quality 304 stainless steel for our headers, not coated mild steel like DC's. They are full stainless from flange to flange. We are the ONLY company that offers a 4-2-1 design header with a full S-pipe. Our header does NOT throw a CEL. We have made more power than any other header currently available. Of the headers we have produced, there have been no issues with cracking, rusting, etc. This header is a RACE ONLY header, as it eliminates the cat convertor, and is NOT SMOG legal. Take a good look outside the tC community, at race headers for any other make or model. You will not find a true, full length race header for much less than $1000.

If anyone wishes to to reference our RACE HEADER history, the best and most common example is our Honda B-Series race header. It is a very popular piece, and has sold out everytime we stock it. It also retails for $900.

Common sense, ME? Personally I think 25whp is a bit far fetched as 25hp at the crank is a bit more feasible. I'm not as easily bitten by the advertising bug like some of my fellow Scionlifer's and remain 100% unconvinced until I see independent dyno test results as well as consumer reviews especially if $900 of my money and the engine of my car is on the line. I just simply wondered if it was street-legal, that's all.

I have nothing against you Scott, you have backed me up on a couple of occasions. You have to keep in mind that some of the users on here are not as knowledgible as yourself but that doesn't make them any less intelligent.

Look at it this way, how would you have felt if one of your professors was like "F$&* you Scott, your an idiot and will always be an idiot", would you still have had the same respect for him? Wisdom does not command respect, the way it is delivered does.

WeaponR_Ray: I'd love to see dynos, smog legal doesn't concern me since in MD I'm only required to do emissions 5 years after buying my car, at which time I'd just swap it back with the stock one.

The Header was prototyped and dynoed on Mahalkita's car. Here is a link to his website, with photo's and dyno sheet.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/695429/1

Man I wish I would have known about this thread sooner. I can't believe some of the jackasses on here trying to bash Scott. Scott knows his ____, he has more knowledge about engines and cars in his little finger than most people have in their entire family. Scott did some installations for me on my xB and I will go to him when I decide to turbocharge or supercharge. He is a great guy to know and he is a great member of the Scion Community. He has nothing against tC's and has said nothing but good things about mine. He's always there for any help you may need and again I'll say it: He knows his ____.

As for driving a stock xB...

http://se-dfw.com/ScionEvolutionMeet017.jpg

That's just 1 picture. It would take around 150 pics to show all the work and mods he has done as well as all the small subtle details no one notices the first time they see it.


I have to agree with Scott that there is too much misinformation being spread through the mouths of lazy people that refuse to do any real research.

Bash me all you want, but Scott is an innovator of a lot of mods you will see in the future and he knows his ____.

-Z

The Header was prototyped and dynoed on Mahalkita's car. Here is a link to his website, with photo's and dyno sheet.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/695429/1

baseline- 141.1hp/151.1 lbs torque
intake- 147.6hp/154.6 lbs torque
intake/header- 159.7hp/ 160.7

18.6 HP Gain WITH a CAI installed with it. Where's the dyno for without the CAI so we can see exactly what the real boost is.

-Z

I for one never meant to insult the man's intelligence, if that's how it was taken then I apologize. Scott has proven to be a great source in the past and has agreed with me on a few occasions on here, I'm just stressing that his posts lately have been mostly negative or just down right rude. I simply just want him to tone it down a little and try to keep things civil. Who knows maybe people could stand to learn from him, I just refuse to be open minded of someone who disrespects other people just because they were misinformed.

That's one thing about Scott, he won't BS you, he will let you know exactly how it is. I like that quality, b/c you never have to wonder if he's BSing or telling you the truth. Sometimes people take things he says the wrong way, and that's just how the Internet is, you can't read text and be able to tell if someone is joking or being sarcastic.

-Z

That's true, heed the almighty smiley :D

Im not saying he doesn't know his stuff he's just said something negative in a bunch of post lately regarding aftermarket parts and Im not saying he should voice his opinions Im just saying he should try and not bash products so badly before theyre even released... as for the header getting 160 hp w/ an intake is pretty good and makes it promising for a supercharger so Im still interested even if the price is high it makes roughly 19hp with an intake and the trd supercharger supposedly will make 40whp for $2500+ so its not that bad of a deal and I don't live in california so I could care less about smog laws b/c they don't really crack down on that in the south.

There are three factors to pricing, Materials, Design, and Quality. We use only high quality 304 stainless steel for our headers, not coated mild steel like DC's. They are full stainless from flange to flange. We are the ONLY company that offers a 4-2-1 design header with a full S-pipe. Our header does NOT throw a CEL. We have made more power than any other header currently available. Of the headers we have produced, there have been no issues with cracking, rusting, etc. This header is a RACE ONLY header, as it eliminates the cat convertor, and is NOT SMOG legal. Take a good look outside the tC community, at race headers for any other make or model. You will not find a true, full length race header for much less than $1000.

If anyone wishes to to reference our RACE HEADER history, the best and most common example is our Honda B-Series race header. It is a very popular piece, and has sold out everytime we stock it. It also retails for $900. I am not saying your product is bad in any way. I am just more curious as to why it is good . Most of the folks on here have basicly stock engines. It would be more informative for everyone if you were to take a stock TC and do some serious baseline testing and get a good working average HP and Torque baseline for THAT car, then turn around and bolt on your header and do some more testing(averaging a series of pulls to keep standard deviation in check)and then give us some reliable info. It might also be interesting to take a stock exhaust and gut the converter and then test it too. I have always been under the impression that reasonable people, equally informed, seldom disagree. If only we could all be equally informed. :pray: Also you state the quality of your header is good. Is it better than stock? The factory header is 301 stainless from flange to collector and I have never heard of one cracking. This header may indeed provide a power gain, I am just wondering exactly how much for $900. I did not mean to berate anyone for not knowing something, I just wish some could be more informed consumers. There have been a few products and theories bandied about on this forum that are absolutely incorrect or useless. I make no apologies for stating the obvious. Not to single you out on purpose, but merely as an example, SupaWhiteTC paid $180 for a set of Nology wires and posted how great they were and where to get them, and then when they arrived and were installed, posted that he couldn't tell any difference, but at least they didn't HURT the power. Hey guys, I was young once too and did plenty of really stupid stuff, but I learned a few things along the way. I just hate to see some guys buying into hype and not making informed decisions. Always remember, HP measured at the brochure is usually greater than HP measured in reality. All I am saying is before you plunk down all your hard-earned money, know exactly what it is that you are getting. If you know and decide it is worth it to you, then you will be making an informed purchase.

:clap: Excellent reply Scott, very informative yet civil. These are the types of responses these forums needs more of. No bashing or flaming, just a solid opinion.

I also must state that I never bashed or flamed anyone. Some of these "victims" were the guys that called me an idiot and a cock holster ( which I thought was very creative! :clap: ) I don't mind how you express your self to me, just say what's on your mind. All discussion is good for someone! :rofl:

Weapon R_Ray can we get a release date or atleast idea of when it will be avaliable?

We are looking at a tentative arrival date from the factory in May. I'll keep everyone updated as info arrives.

so the WR headerwith a CAI is making 19.

anyone know what the DC header is making with a CAI?

no clue but its less than that...but probably only by a little bit... not sure... I do know that alphawerks with there header, exhaust, intake, and throttle body only made 24 hp and that is probably 2 grand worth of their stuff so personally I think alphawerks is pretty weak.

lol........................once again this is why im buying the alpha works header, cause it gives the same gain for $400 cheaper and it doesn't rust or throw a CEL.

Thats just ridicuous $900 im sorry man.

Im going Alpha I/H and CC Exhaust

Same Gains :no: ? We don't know anything about it yet... if its a true racing header it would be worth it b/c it could add 25 hp.

wow i dont know of many turbo headers adding that amount of horsepower let alone an NA header....anyhows this topic has gone way off the deep end with people flaming others this forum is starting to look alot like clubsi.com where everybody has got to get the last word, can anybody direct me to the next scion site where i can read about the cars and not what everybody wants to say about each others moms and whatnot thanks,
sincerely the smartass who sits in the back ready to make a stupid comment when it all just gets a little too ridiculous..

Sure, there is a website exactly what you are looking for! It's www.Themenofscion.com . Enjoy and make some new friends! :love: :love: :love: :rofl:

:lol: :lol:

Sure, there is a website exactly what you are looking for! It's www.Themenofscion.com . Enjoy and make some new friends! :love: :love: :love: :rofl:

yeah okay just what i was talkin about!

glad to be of help! :P :P :P :P :P :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :rofl: :rofl:

wat would be a header that i could get for the maximum hp gains that woudl be street legal (im a freakin high schooler, i dont need an F1).

Right now the headers that are street legal throw the CEL but if I were you and didn't get the weapon-r header I would suggest maybe waiting a few months and see what else comes out and just go to another mod... like I was gonna wait to finish my audio and cosmetic type mods but since all the suspension stuff hasn't been released and the TRD supercharger and greddy turbo are still in the works I am gonna finish my custom sub setup... put in my speakers and dynamat, and buy fiber fx CF hood and hatch, and re-do the interior with sparco components and install a cf dash... So just go onto something else you want to do.