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Bob: Hi Davo345
Bob: How may I help you today?
davo345: Hello. I was wondering whether or not the official release date for the supercharged tC is April 1st as the rumours dictate?
Bob: We do apologize but the estimated release date for the supercharger for the tC by TRD by the end of the year.. Right now it has been submitted for CARB approval..
davo345: End of the year?! What happened to spring summer? Around what time at the end of the year do you suspect?
Bob: It is before the end of 2005.
Bob: It is currently has been submitted for CARB approval.
davo345: I see. Are the horsepower numbers going to be around 200bhp as suspected?
Bob: Yes it is estimated that the Supercharger for the tC will be around 200 hp.
davo345: Ok, thank you. Hopefully this is the last rescheduling of its release...
Bob: No problem =).... Sorry for the delays..

:rofl: I'm done with the SC concept. This is FAR beyond C.A.R.B approval. There is more to this story than they are saying. :tap:

Is this serious i thought were were expecting 240hp now and its going to take the better part of a year to get CARB approved.....grrr maybe the Blitz will come out b 4 then ...i really dont care about the CARB approval...there are ways around that...but paying that kind of money for 40 horses is not going to cut it....

this should give everyone plenty of time to save up the money for it

just tring to look at the bright side...lol

damn you scion......

Im thinking of a trade-in

TRD is the ones that supplied the xA and xB with the toyota branded turbo too!

"What TRD turbo?" you might be asking yourself. And my answer is, "BINGO".

I'm starting to think this, like their EPA MPG sticker, is just a big fat lie to get us to buy the car. "you'll sip gas and have more power sooon, really.. just buy now"

This is really starting to get rediculous! TRD what the heck is going on?! First it was going to be available at release, then February, then April and now the freakin' end of the year! TRD needs to come out with an official press statement and stop yanking everyone's chains. :flame: For God's sake, stop advertising the damn thing until you have an official release date.

The car didn't spend this much time in development.

I just talked with moe at scion.com and he told me the same thing by the end of this year. Then I asked about the april 1st date and he responded with we have not issued a release date at this time.

ok thats it im done waiting, this made up my mind now going turbo, the greddy kit should be out soon im using my discount and hopefully will have the car done by summer,

___ is all i can say. does anyone know when the blitz SC is comming out for the TC? :tap:

Wow this wait really sucks. I'm afraid we'll wait all this time and then just get 40 hp for a $4,000 price tag. Really doesn't seem worth it for a car that only costs $16,500. But who knows all the details seem to be up in the air. Those are my two cents.

turboCharged

nuff said 8)

Oh yea, are the TYC taillights going through CARB approval too?!

Blitz has said they have no parts in the works right now for the tC. I am a direct distributor for their parts, and I offered my tC as a test car if need be, but they have nothing planned right now. No Super, No Turbo. Not even exhaust yet.

I dont have much faith in the people that answer questions on Scion.com I wouldnt give up on a April/May release just yet.

Oh yea, are the TYC taillights going through CARB approval too?!

no i think they noticed there ugly as hell so there not going to sell them (atlease i hope them i dont want them to have ugly tc's rolling around)

I dont have much faith in the people that answer questions on Scion.com I wouldnt give up on a April/May release just yet.

Over the past few weeks I have visited them and asked the same question just to make sure their information was the same each time...and it was.

I think they are serious. :(

Why the hell would Scion jerk their customer's chains like this? Don't they realize they are loosing oodles of cash? Tsk tsk. I personally am not even sure if I can wait that long for the SC.

well i am kinda glad they are holding out until its perfect
rather than just put out some POS S/C just b/c people want it now.

Brilliant business move - drag people out for 6 months, then tell them another 8 to 10 months on a vehicle they promote as a tuner :rofl:

Yea, blow the spring-summer-fall months when people that would look to do this mod would BUY IT and instead roll it to winter....near christmas.....when everyone is going BROKE and won't fully enjoy a SC in SNOW-Ice-Rain :rofl:

Guess I should get the TRD radiator cap....it's available for $49 and I hear it adds 8-10hp. :rofl:

Well that sucks. Everyone should email Scion expressing their disappointment and maybe they'll do something about it.

Well that sucks. Everyone should email Scion expressing their disappointment and maybe they'll do something about it.

I think we definatly should. In fact, I am going to do it right now.

This is my email through the scion website:

Firstly, I would just like to point out that I am extremely pleased with the outlook of the Scion product line, and am planning on investing in a automobile in the near future. That said, I would like to share my dissatisfaction about the handling of the supercharged version of the tC. Not only have you (Toyota/Scion) told me to wait 6 months from it's initial release date, I have just been informed that I need to wait another 8-10 months for the release of this Scion tC. As a seriously interested customer, this sort of "chain-jerking" is unfair and unbusinesslike, and some sort of definite time frame needs to be issued immediately. In 8-10 months, how many people do you expect to buy your supercharged version tC if they keep getting abused through customer relations? Not many, and as a customer, I object to such behavior. Something must be done about the supercharged tC instead of letting potential customers wonder about when it actually will be released and what they should do with their money instead of waiting around for that release.

Thank you for recieving this,
David *

This is my email through the scion website:

Firstly, I would just like to point out that I am extremely pleased with the outlook of the Scion product line, and am planning on investing in a automobile in the near future. That said, I would like to share my dissatisfaction about the handling of the supercharged version of the tC. Not only have you (Toyota/Scion) told me to wait 6 months from it's initial release date, I have just been informed that I need to wait another 8-10 months for the release of this Scion tC. As a seriously interested customer, this sort of "chain-jerking" is unfair and unbusinesslike, and some sort of definite time frame needs to be issued immediately. In 8-10 months, how many people do you expect to buy your supercharged version tC if they keep getting abused through customer relations? Not many, and as a customer, I object to such behavior. Something must be done about the supercharged tC instead of letting potential customers wonder about when it actually will be released and what they should do with their money instead of waiting around for that release.

Thank you for recieving this,
David *

Haha, and here was the response I got:

Thank you for contacting Scion.

The supercharger as a bolt on to the stock engine, has experienced
issue that are regulated by powers that outside of Scion's control. We
apologize for the delay and thank you for your continued patience.

Haven't gotten a reply yet but even if it is a standard response, if enough people email them then they'll get the message. Oh and didn't Farley say in that interview that the sc version of the tC will be out this spring?

screw them, I thought the supecharger was a great idea. it's One of the reasons I bought the ride in the first place. They said NOV then APR now end of year!!!! This is just another reason to turbo, like a need one any way :rofl:

Yeah, the Farley interview did say spring and it was TRD's website that said it was an April 1st release. I'm starting to wonder if this was all some sort of bad April fools day joke or if Scion and TRD are just bad at communicating.

Also is anyone sure if the 8 - 10 month wait proposed is for the aftermarket (TRD) supercharger or if they were referring to the special “limited edition supercharged tC” that will be out in 8 - 10 months.

Please keep in mind that I am in no way trying to defend the actions of Scion (Toyota) concerning the SC up to this point. That being said, let me say this. I have been in the Import Industry now for almost 10 years, and this type of "we had to change the release date by x amount of months because of..." incident is not at all uncommon. Many many companies over the years, including auto makers and aftermarket manufacturers, have postponed release dates for dozens if not hundreds of items. Does this mean they are a bad company? Well sometimes, but most often not. For the sake of arguement this is not even limited to the Auto industry. How many times has a movie been given a release date, then got postponed? How about video games? Remember Halo2? Things get postponed all the time. But if that means we will see a better product, than I am all for it. As far as the representatives giving one date, then another, than a later / different one again, well they are just doing their job and most of the times are not the ones in control. I know I have to tell my customers parts are delayed all the time, for any number of legit reasons. So dont be to hard on these guys. I know I have my tC and I am bery happy, and there are 100 things I can do while I am waiting to go Turbo or SC. If having to wait for the SC to come out is going to make you start looking at other cars, then just go get another car already. Maybe the tC isnt for you. You can go get a MINI Type S right now! Of course current tC owners can look at the Turbos, like I know some of us already are. And I mean come on people, the car is still new, of course parts are gonna be slow to come out and be delayed and such. TRD and Toyota both know it wont matter if they have to delay, when it finally hits you can be sure there will be no shortage of buyers. I know no one likes to feel like they are getting jerked around, but I dont think that's what is happening here. But I guess that's just my opinion. I'm sure you will all let me know if you agree or not.

I know no one likes to feel like they are getting jerked around, but I dont think that's what is happening here. But I guess that's just my opinion. I'm sure you will all let me know if you agree or not.

It is indeed what is happening here, especially for me as I had planned on dropping 20k, if not the very week the SC comes avaliable. Believe me, I was very hyped up and for Toyota/Scion to do CARB issies now, which in all reality, should have been taken care of around the time the first rescheduling occured, is just bad time management. This of course hurts customer relations.

There is no excuse for such lack of communication. I had to find out through a damn java chat, versus a big banner that should have been posted on their website explaining their situation. Such a scenario would have generated much more understanding and sympathy from me, and I would be much more willing to wait it out.

im not pleased at all. Scion/TRD/Toyota are going to loose money because of this..............Scion if your listening..............Give us a Official word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"There is no excuse for such lack of communication. I had to find out through a damn java chat, versus a big banner that should have been posted on their website explaining their situation."


Right there, you are expecting too much. That (unfortunately as it may be) would never happen. Besides you were going to drop money on it, but in fact you haven't yet. So you really have nothing to complain about, IMO. Be patient. And besides we should all be anxious for an aftermarket SC, a CARB legal one from TRD? Naw I'll pass. Not even the K&N Intake or DC Headers are CARB legal. I'll take the Turbo, thanks. And again, anyone who thinks TRD or Toyota are going to lose money over this is just silly. It wont happen and they know it.

I have a feeling it will be released by the NY auto show...but thats just me...:wink:

ok im trading my TC in for something else sorry

all I can say is......April fools.

Here is the e-mail I sent:


Dear Scion / Whomever It May Concern:

I have recently purchased a brand new 2005 Scion tC and have loved it thus far. I enjoy the TRD product line and the quality of their builds. One of the main reasons that I purchased this vehicle was because of the planned release of a TRD Supercharger that bolts onto the factory engine and retains the factory warranty, and ads a TRD warranty. The dealership, news reports, press releases, fliers, and all available information recently states that the supercharger will be release April 1st. My dealership confirmed this and said that there will be Toyota financing available for this item. That is all good news to me. Recently people across the boards, forums, newsletters, and rumors have been spreading information that the TRD supercharger will not be released till the end of the year. Please let me know what is going on and when I should expect this. As a customer I trusted your release date of April 1st and purchased your (Toyota/Scion) vehicle knowing that I will be able to purchase a factory supercharger soon thereafter. I hope I might the right decision. It is improper and unmoral to run a company by making false promises just so individuals purchase cars and then leave them “out in the cold”. Here is a recent conversation a fellow internet browser experienced with Scion customer service:

Please wait for a Scion Customer Advocate to respond. You are number 1 in queue.
You are now chatting with Bob
Bob: Hi Davo345
Bob: How may I help you today?
davo345: Hello. I was wondering whether or not the official release date for the supercharged tC is April 1st as the rumours dictate?
Bob: We do apologize but the estimated release date for the supercharger for the tC by TRD by the end of the year.. Right now it has been submitted for CARB approval..
davo345: End of the year?! What happened to spring summer? Around what time at the end of the year do you suspect?
Bob: It is before the end of 2005.
Bob: It is currently has been submitted for CARB approval.
davo345: I see. Are the horsepower numbers going to be around 200bhp as suspected?
Bob: Yes it is estimated that the Supercharger for the tC will be around 200 hp.
davo345: Ok, thank you. Hopefully this is the last rescheduling of its release...
Bob: No problem =).... Sorry for the delays..

(Scionlife Forums, www.scionlife.com, http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51261, March 10th, 2005)

Please respond and let me, and others, know what is going on with the supercharger and if I still will be able to purchase one on April 1st, as promised.

Thank you,
Luke Koziol
2005 Scion tC Super White


Lets see what they say in return!

I just got off of the phone with my sales rep (ordering in 5 days!) he says that he has not heard anything about this and as far as he knows the april release is still valid

"There is no excuse for such lack of communication. I had to find out through a damn java chat, versus a big banner that should have been posted on their website explaining their situation."


Right there, you are expecting too much. That (unfortunately as it may be) would never happen.

I am expecting too much from a company, such as Toyota, to treat their customers with decent respect and common courtousy?


Besides you were going to drop money on it, but in fact you haven't yet. So you really have nothing to complain about, IMO.

And in fact, you don't know me, so you have NO IDEA what my intentions are. But let me just let you in on a little secret....I WAS GOING TO BUY A SC TC ON THE RELEASE WEEK.


Be patient.

Believe me, I love the car, the looks, the potential speed of the SC, they are definately trying my patience! :P


And besides we should all be anxious for an aftermarket SC, a CARB legal one from TRD? Naw I'll pass.

For those of us excited about the warantee of a boosted toyota engine using TRD parts, yes we are DAMN anxious.


Not even the K&N Intake or DC Headers are CARB legal. I'll take the Turbo, thanks.

There goes that kickass warranty......


And again, anyone who thinks TRD or Toyota are going to lose money over this is just silly. It wont happen and they know it.
Of course they arent going to loose money in the long run...no company as large and influencial as Toyota/Scion would. But will they loose potential customers? You betcha. They could have those who want the SC April 1st who are backing out PLUS those who want it on the release date. Which is better?

oh well, i gave up on the super charger. it was a total possiblity when i bought the car, but now...not worth the wait. totally not worth the money. i would expect alot higher horsepower from a supercharger that costs 1/4 the price of the car.
scion and trd are taking forever because they want it to be totally safe for the stock engine. it should have came as an option with the car when it first came out...the planned on building this car years ago, i assume. this is a joke

What the hell is wrong with you guys? yeah, it's a bummer if the s/c is delayed but c'mon...as it's been said already a million times, things come up! This is the EPA's issue...not Toyota's. You try dealing with the government..

Hell, we waited over 2 extra years for friggin' GT4 to come out and it didn't even have an online option.

I use many different types of music production/recording software and there's always delays and passed deadlines. Take a look at the Pro Tools user's site and half the threads are all about whining that releases have been delayed and wer'e still waiting for upgrades.

Everything these days has to be now now now! And then you act as if Toyota owes you something. You paid $17,000 for a kick ___ car...you aren't happy with it? Then sell it and get yourself a friggin Saturn ion red line if a s/c is so important to you.

Toyota is a huge company...bigger than you can imagine. I'm sure they want to make us all happy but their priority is doing this right and by the book, not making a deadline so a bunch of impatient kids can do burnouts and drag race SRT-4's.

There's a tuning company called Cobb Tuning that makes lots of great products for the WRX and STi. When I had my WRX we had to wait what seemed like an eternity for them to release a hand-held ECU programmer (AccessPORT) and it was delayed and delayed. Then when it did come out there was such a rush it took 2-3 months to finally get it. Now there's been a huge wait for the AccessTuner street tuner package which finally came out just a week or two ago...this has been going on for years folks. And plenty of Cobb stage 2 or 2.5 owners (I was one of them) are still waiting impatiently for cobb's stage 3 to be released. Why the wait? becuase Cobb is going to make their own TMIC before they release stage 3 and these things take alot of time and money. Cobb doesn't want to throw out another TMIC like all the others out there and the R&D takes alot of time and costs alot of$$.

There was a time when bringing the STi to the US was just a dream. But we WRX owners waited and waited and begged and pleaded and we finally got the most powerful factory version of it after what seemed like forever. There were rumors, just like the rumors of the Scion DL...but we finally got what we wanted

What I'm getting at is...things like this happen all the time. Relax! besides, I guarantee you...mark my words now...I'll stake my reputation on this... after all this wait you guys will run out, get your s/c's installed and a good portion of you will be complaining that it still isn't enough. And then you can sell me your used s/c at a discount...

i'm now debating on trying out the alpha werks manifold on going the custom route...

Exactly what I am saying suby2scion. Exactly. Did you read that Davo345? By the way I knew what your intentions were, you said it earlier. And well I'm at it, it doesnt matter if it is a big company like Toyota, if you are expecting them to have a big banner on their site telling you about a delay, you are sadly expecting too much. No company will do that. ESPECIALLY a big one like Toyota. It has nothing to do with treating you with respect, just as I said before and suby2scion also said, you havent even paid for the car yet. They dont owe you a damn thing. Far as the warranty, if you ever get your tC w/ SC and have your lil warranty in place, thinking you are bad ___ @ 200 - 250 hp, I'll be the guy in the tC blowing by your @$$ in my turbocharged and otherwise modded ride. Is the warranty good? Of course. Is it important? To many people, yes it is. But if you want a fast car that really performs than you should know from the beginning the warranty is out the door. Serious tuners dont give a crap about the warranty. Cause guess what? You go forced induction, you start a chain of Intercooler / Clutch / ShortThrow / Braking / etc., and at some point you will want or need something that will be aftermarket and not covered under warranty. You want warranty? Stay stock. Cars that come modified from the dealer are always a joke next to the cars that people tune themselves. My tC will be more limited edition than anything Toyota will bring out. SC or otherwise. I always say, go big or go home. And as far as customers backing out, just look at how many people had to wait for their tC. And how many waited longer than they were told. For every customer who backed out (which by the number of people who post saying they finally got their tC, I would say is very few) another customer took their place. They arent losing potential anything.

Word up! So true..so true...

I think a major part of this is the basic impatience that younger people have nowadays. Sorry to lump everyone together, I'm sure there are some of us older folks that are waiting impatiently as well but it's this "fast food" mentality where "I want it and I want it now!" is so commonplace.

Take a look at the thread on the age of tC drivers..looks like the average is about 22 or so... That's not a bad thing, afterall it's what Scion wanted But my guess is many of the tC owners have made their first big purchase on this car and so they expect so much more in return. And all of these emails to Scion/Toyota are worthless. It's just tying them up and it's not going to speed things up at all. This isn't like calling Domino's because your pizza showed up after the 30 minutes they promised...

I can't even count how many video games, movies, concerts, albums, etc.. have been delayed in my lifetime. yeah, i was not always happy about it but in th ened I ususally got what I waited for...ever heard "good things come to those who wait?"

What's the rush? The tC came out last August didn't it? And how many of you waiting so badly for the s/c have already upgraded your tires? Your brakes? Suspension? Or is it all about saying "I have a supercharger!"

Come on, there's already tons of threads on here about whether or not we can have blow-off valves and/or FMIC to go along with our shiny new s/c's. Becuase we all know how COOl it is to have those. Really, if you want to mod your tC for power, screw the warranty and go balls out.

Now for the record, I am considering the s/c but I'm in no hurry. I really like my tC and I already got my power fix with my old WRX.

[quote="suby2scion"]What the hell is wrong with you guys? yeah, it's a bummer if the s/c is delayed but c'mon...as it's been said already a million times, things come up! This is the EPA's issue...not Toyota's. You try dealing with the government..

Ummm not really. If I am told by the dealership that the sc will be out by the end of the year (this past year) then I expect it to come out. But okay fine maybe the dealer jumped the gun. When I read that the VP of Toyota says that a sc version of the tC will be out this spring then I definitely expect it to happen. I'm pretty sure that Toyota is well versed in the workings of the EPA and should factor in delays in approval before announcing a release date.

Everything these days has to be now now now! And then you act as if Toyota owes you something. You paid $17,000 for a kick ___ car...you aren't happy with it? Then sell it and get yourself a friggin Saturn ion red line if a s/c is so important to you.

Huh? If a company (esp. one as large as Toyota) says they will do something at a certain time then I expect it to happen. Is this important enough to lose sleep over? No Am I disappointed that they didn't do what they said they would? Yes

#1. I'm sure that if Toyota had it their way the s/c would be out...they want the money, it's not like this is all a big conspiracy and it's done on purpose just to ____ little 'ol you off. If you guys want to send emails, send them to the EPA and see what kind of respose you get. yeah right!

#2. Since when do you believe what dealers tell you? We know more than they do. Every car dealership I've been to is full of people who know less about the cars than my friends and I do. We are Scion enthusiasts. We sit here and talk about them all the time and share info.. they just sell 'em. I was at a dealership yesterday talking to a salesguy and he didn't know about the tC/xA/xB settings on the Scion stereo, this website or any other Scion sites for that matter, the tC RS 1.0 and a whole bunch of other stuff that I taught HIM about. I've been to 3 different Scion dealerships this week (they are all having promo events with a local radio station...giveaways, raffles, etc..) and every guy I've talked to at these places knows way less than they should and their paychecks depend on it. I'm just a geek who loves my car! Maybe I should sell Scions...hmmmm...

#3. "When I read that the VP of Toyota says that a sc version of the tC will be out this spring then I definitely expect it to happen" Why? Do you own stock in Toyota? This happens ALL THE TIME IN BUSINESS MY FRIEND. You expect a huge company of Toyota's size to not have delays...ok...ever heard of Microsoft? Get used to it, it's called life. Just wait until you have kids one day and they want it now daddy!! I hope that you have a flash back to this very moment and all of a sudden it all makes sense....wow.....

#4. Just because we EXPECT something to happen does not mean it will. Now we can do two things here: 1- keep _____ing and complaining and emailing the poor people at Scion who have no control over this or 2- WAIT...keep saving $$, do other mods in preparation for the s/c install, keep sharing tips and info on our cars and get ready for the big day.

Man, all this build up is going to lead to a big let down when it's all said and done.

If you guys have an extra $3,000 burning a hole in your pockets so bad, send some this way...I need new tires!

[quote="suby2scion"]#1. I'm sure that if Toyota had it their way the s/c would be out...they want the money, it's not like this is all a big conspiracy and it's done on purpose just to ____ little 'ol you off. If you guys want to send emails, send them to the EPA and see what kind of respose you get. yeah right!

Lol. Conspiracy? ____ little old me off? Maybe you need to read my post again. Send an email to the EPA? Lol again. If one of your employees comes in late and says he's late because he had to catch the bus do you send an email to the bus company or is it the employee's fault for not taking travel time into consideration?

#2. Since when do you believe what dealers tell you? We know more than they do. Every car dealership I've been to is full of people who know less about the cars than my friends and I do. We are Scion enthusiasts. We sit here and talk about them all the time and share info.. they just sell 'em. I was at a dealership yesterday talking to a salesguy and he didn't know about the tC/xA/xB settings on the Scion stereo, this website or any other Scion sites for that matter, the tC RS 1.0 and a whole bunch of other stuff that I taught HIM about. I've been to 3 different Scion dealerships this week (they are all having promo events with a local radio station...giveaways, raffles, etc..) and every guy I've talked to at these places knows way less than they should and their paychecks depend on it. I'm just a geek who loves my car! Maybe I should sell Scions...hmmmm...

Hmmmmm maybe. I totally agree that most salespersons have very limited knowledge. Sad but true. I was told by the gm of the dealership that it would be available and even though he may have been talking through his butt, he does after all represent the company. But that is neither here nor there as I wasn't very disappointed when the sc didn't come out at the end of the year.

#3. "When I read that the VP of Toyota says that a sc version of the tC will be out this spring then I definitely expect it to happen" Why? Do you own stock in Toyota? This happens ALL THE TIME IN BUSINESS MY FRIEND. get used to it, it's called life. Just wait until you have kids one day and they want it now daddy!! I hope that you have a flash back to this very moment and all of a sudden it all makes sense....wow.....

ROTFLMAO Really? It happens all the time? That an officers of a major corporations makes a public statements that are false? All the time? wow Oh and I do have a son so no flashback needed. Btw, what is the relevence?

#4. Just because we EXPECT something to happen does not mean it will. Now we can do two things here: 1- keep _____ing and complaining and emailing the poor people at Scion who have no control over this or 2- WAIT...keep saving $$, do other mods in preparation for the s/c install, keep sharing tips and info on our cars and get ready for the big day.

True that the person at Scion reading your email have no control over the situation but it is definitely a constructive way to inform a company of how they are doing. Any large company would be plain stupid not to take the feedback that they get from their customers to heart. Granted that they are a very large corporation but I can tell you that I have mailed/emailed companies and gotten some surprising responses. About #2....yup that's what I plan to do.

Reply from Scion about my e-mail:


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It is through communications such as yours that we become aware of the
reactions and expectations of our customers and we appreciate your
feedback. We apologize, but the release of the TRD supercharger has been
postponed until the fall of this year. We apologize for any
inconvenience that this may have caused.

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I am dissapointed, but will wait. I bought the car because I liked the car... the extra factory goodies just added to it. I do agree that they should have put a realistic expectation out. When dealing with the politics (and that is the biggest part) of meeting emissions standards, they should have known it would take forever and should have just said, we are waiting on it and have no solid date. But that is my only issue with the way toyota handled it. Anyone in here who has worked in or ran an auto shop knows the kind of political bs the government pulls via the EPA. They take their precious time with everything. I will be patient and start working with the parts that are already out. In the meantime I will start on my custom boxes and sound system :-)

"If so, you suck as a human being. "

LMAO

That quote above was about the funniest thing I have read all week. For the record I wouldn't hate you though, I don't give a damn what you do with any of your cars. If it makes you happy then great, I am happy for you and your car. All I am gonna say is 2 things; First, your Footlocker reference was a bad one, because in that case you would be looking at a product on the shelf that you could buy now, unlike the supercharger. Try again. And second, all I want you and people like tC808 to understand once and for all is, just like suby2scion said, these things HAPPEN ALL THE TIME IN BUSINESS!!!! Why cant you guys understand and accept that? It's called reality. My whole point here was that you people are showing real immaturity by whining and complaining. Are you all really just 9 year olds? Yes Representatives of big companies make false promises and statements. And they do it knowing its not true. Almost ALL LARGE COMPANIES OPERATE THIS WAY. IT"S CALLED AMERICA. I give up now. You people are hopeless. Don't bother suby2scion, they wont listen. Let them keep whining amongst each other. In the meantime I'll be driving my tC, and I'll be happier for it.

"If so, you suck as a human being. "

LMAO

That quote above was about the funniest thing I have read all week. For the record I wouldn't hate you though, I don't give a damn what you do with any of your cars. If it makes you happy then great, I am happy for you and your car. All I am gonna say is 2 things; First, your Footlocker reference was a bad one, because in that case you would be looking at a product on the shelf that you could buy now, unlike the supercharger. Try again. And second, all I want you and people like tC808 to understand once and for all is, just like suby2scion said, these things HAPPEN ALL THE TIME IN BUSINESS!!!! Why cant you guys understand and accept that? It's called reality. My whole point here was that you people are showing real immaturity by whining and complaining. Are you all really just 9 year olds? Yes Representatives of big companies make false promises and statements. And they do it knowing its not true. Almost ALL LARGE COMPANIES OPERATE THIS WAY. IT"S CALLED AMERICA. I give up now. You people are hopeless. Don't bother suby2scion, they wont listen. Let them keep whining amongst each other. In the meantime I'll be driving my tC, and I'll be happier for it.

Look, after I vent, and yes I can vent if I want to, I will probably wait it out and buy the SC tC. But that doesn't mean I have to blindly accept this behavior by Scion because "all large companies operate this way." And because we are "whining" does not indicate immaturity on our part, but moreso about recognizing the immaturity about how Scion is dealing with their customers--leaving them in the dark, dictating half-truths of releases, etc.

This whole situation should have been so much more transparent to Scion's customers, and future customers. Period.

Its sad because most of us had this nagging feeling this was going to happen..

But its not April 1st yet.. maybe Scion can and will pull a SC out of their ___.

has anyone seen any of the latest tC ads in magazines????? they advertise the tC with Supercharger HAHAHAHAHHAHA funny cause u cant even buy the damn thing...wtf would they even advertise the SC to people and when someone goes to order one they have to say you have to wait another year for it...WTF so the 2007 tC's will be SCed??? that makes no sence

I'm joining the frustration. Here's the letter I wrote to scion:

ATTN: PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT

To whom it may concern,

First of all, im sick of being jerked around with the supercharger. When is it coming out? I want a date. Second, why do you advertise a supercharger when you don't have one? All the people that you marketed a supercharger to are going to have 30,000 miles on their cars by the time it comes out. I'm not buying a $4000 supercharger for a car that will only be worth $13,000. Not to mention the fact that it will only add 40 hp. Scion owners are in rage about this topic! PUT OUT AN OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE! You are really messing around with your customer base. These first years are crucial. Please forward this email to the PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPARTMENT and urge them to put their best foot forward. How about sending a monthly email with scion updates. You want customer satisfaction? Start keeping us informed!

Sincerely,

Jeremy Coder
Carbondale, IL

"If so, you suck as a human being. "

LMAO

That quote above was about the funniest thing I have read all week. For the record I wouldn't hate you though, I don't give a damn what you do with any of your cars. If it makes you happy then great, I am happy for you and your car. All I am gonna say is 2 things; First, your Footlocker reference was a bad one, because in that case you would be looking at a product on the shelf that you could buy now, unlike the supercharger. Try again. And second, all I want you and people like tC808 to understand once and for all is, just like suby2scion said, these things HAPPEN ALL THE TIME IN BUSINESS!!!! Why cant you guys understand and accept that? It's called reality. My whole point here was that you people are showing real immaturity by whining and complaining. Are you all really just 9 year olds? Yes Representatives of big companies make false promises and statements. And they do it knowing its not true. Almost ALL LARGE COMPANIES OPERATE THIS WAY. IT"S CALLED AMERICA. I give up now. You people are hopeless. Don't bother suby2scion, they wont listen. Let them keep whining amongst each other. In the meantime I'll be driving my tC, and I'll be happier for it.

Look, after I vent, and yes I can vent if I want to, I will probably wait it out and buy the SC tC. But that doesn't mean I have to blindly accept this behavior by Scion because "all large companies operate this way." And because we are "whining" does not indicate immaturity on our part, but moreso about recognizing the immaturity about how Scion is dealing with their customers--leaving them in the dark, dictating half-truths of releases, etc.

This whole situation should have been so much more transparent to Scion's customers, and future customers. Period.

I agree w/ you davo345.

Oh and flintTC324, expressing displeasure and disappointment has absolutely nothing to do w/ immaturity. What I do consider immature is calling people hopeless, immature 9yr. olds.

Blah Blah Blah. I would respond but its time to drive my tC now. Have a nice weekend guys. :)

Blah Blah Blah. I would respond but its time to drive my tC now. Have a nice weekend guys. :)

:P

:eyebrow: Wow...way to go Shimmy...you sure showed 'em.....They're shaking in their boots right now and I'm sure Toyota's President is having a hard time sleeping at nights knowing how upset he's amde you...

I agree with you flintTC324... I'm done with this subject that just doesn't seem to die and doesn't get through these thick skulls around here....

:eyebrow: Wow...way to go Shimmy...you sure showed 'em.....They're shaking in their boots right now and I'm sure Toyota's President is having a hard time sleeping at nights knowing how upset he's amde you...

I agree with you flintTC324... I'm done with this subject that just doesn't seem to die and doesn't get through these thick skulls around here....

Gee more derogatory remarks. Why am I not surprised? :eyebrow:

by the time the damn thing comes out, there won't be a warranty left to worry about voiding. turbo me!

by the time the damn thing comes out, there won't be a warranty left to worry about voiding. turbo me!

For those who bought hteirs a long time ago, you are right, and i didnt even think about that....

anyone seen the episode of south park?

"rabble rabble rabble..."

"what are you town fold rabbliing about?"

no use getting twisted over it. nothing you can do about it, just wait till april then see what happens. everyone's _____ing about something that hasn't (or might not even) happened yet.

on a side note. anyone seen the new scion magazine? the orange and black one with the pics of the supercharger in there.

has anyone seen any of the latest tC ads in magazines????? they advertise the tC with Supercharger HAHAHAHAHHAHA funny cause u cant even buy the damn thing...wtf would they even advertise the SC to people and when someone goes to order one they have to say you have to wait another year for it...WTF so the 2007 tC's will be SCed??? that makes no sence

thats because tC with factory SC will be out in April, as said by Farley in Jan... too bad ayou kids cant read press releases properly.

has anyone seen any of the latest tC ads in magazines????? they advertise the tC with Supercharger HAHAHAHAHHAHA funny cause u cant even buy the damn thing...wtf would they even advertise the SC to people and when someone goes to order one they have to say you have to wait another year for it...WTF so the 2007 tC's will be SCed??? that makes no sence

thats because tC with factory SC will be out in April, as said by Farley in Jan... too bad ayou kids cant read press releases properly.

i dont know if you have read this whole thread or not but the SC will not be out in April that is why everyone is so upset
too bad "ayou" cannot read a whole thread before posting :loser:

Man, you guys need to just calm the F@#$ Down. Its only a Supercharger. I understand that some people feel as if they have been lied to or deceived in some way but honestly just calm down. How many times in your lives have you been made to wait. Just chalk this up as 1 more time. Patients is a virtue, and if you think that I don't want a S/C then your horribly mistaken. I had a dream about it 2 nights ago and Pat Sajak made a guest appeareance. It was a cool but wierd dream I tell you.

This is really ____ing me off. I bought this car with the full intention of getting the SC. I should have just stick with my honda. TRD need to get their act together. By the time it comes out, there will not be any warranty left. hmmm, is this why they are delaying the SC. Just curious how many people in here other SCION representatives feel the same way I do.

My bright side is, at least now when it does come out I will have enough money to buy it.

No one has lied to any of you. Where did it say that TRD officially would release the SC at a certain date? They only mentioned an approximate date and now that this estimate has become void, you're all complaining as if someone promised you something and didn't deliver.

It's just an option from TRD that they said would most likely be out this year. If they are not releasing it earlier, there's a reason. Why would they hold off on profit if the supercharger is done and ready to go?

So, stop whining, and calm down. It's only like 40hp anyways, nothing to die over.

WoW, everyone that has posted on here makes a very decent point as to how Toyota/Scion should have handled the situation w/ the S/C, but as Flint , Suby, and itimebomb have mentioned, just wait and see what happens come April 1st.

The emails that are being sent to Scion may or may not be doing any good unless you talk to the head person directly or send them an email directly. I know this from first hand experience, I work in a customer support department, we recieve thousands of emails all the time complaining about our system or our staff etc. These messages are being handled by someone just like you or me that's just answering your question, I can guarantee that no one with any really authority is veiwing your emails. So if you really want to be heard, either go to the dealer and speak with someone directly or call corp. office . Hell even call TRD directly and voice your complaints.

That's my 2 cents on the matter....

I buy a new car every 2 to 4 years, I mod it, I drive it. One reason I got the tC was the promised of a supercharger. If I wait a year to get it that could be ½ the time I drive the car. If I wanted a car that an Oldlady’s Volvo could easily body slam I would have got a stock Corolla (even that has a performance option OR a supercharger out NOW). I wanted a car that I could buy an OEM supercharger and drive it and enjoy it, or at least evaluate the performance and maybe go for a turbo kit depending on what I liked at that second. I’m already screwed because I could not wrap the supercharger up into the loan. Now I won’t be able to have one till 1/3 of my warranty is gone, and maybe upto ½ the time I could drive and enjoy a supercharged tC which basically is doubling the cost of my mods per mile driven.

IMO Scion should either give me my money back, give me a friggen huge discount, free install and extend my warrant 1 year or offer me a supercharged Corolla right now. I purchased this car on the good faith that Toyota would honor their commitment on delivering performance parts in a timely manner. A part that is widely advertised and pictures and even allowed demo test.

I don’t buy that there is some huge surprise at EPA problems. Toyota could fix the problem in 1 WEEK if it so desired. I have no doubt Toyota could redesign, build and submit a working EPA certifiable setup in a week, I have no doubt Toyota knew there were problems with the kit last month, last year even. Toyota for some reason that is beyond me feels that they are not flushihg a huge amount of customer good will by not putting in whatever money and manpower is needed to make this happen RIGHT now.

The more sassy emails, that scion gets the more Toyota is going to understand this is not a minor problem. I for one am evaluating what I may do including: class action lawsuit, asking for ALL my money back, asking Toyota to take my car back and supply me an equivalent cost TRD supercharged Corolla, or trading my car in on a V8 Mustang or T5 S40 Volvo. IMO Toyota is asking for a class action lawsuit one they IMO will lose as a reasonable man would assume that a widely advertised part, that everyone of its dealers has indicated will be available soon probably wont be available to next year.

I could have had a Mustang v8, redline, Cobalt, V40 t5, Acura Type S or something else. If I wanted for SURE to mod a car, I may have just purchased a Ebay B18C Civic special.

I think later tonight composing a Email to Scion, not asking about the kit, but saying either buy my car back, give me a Corolla supercharger, or be prepared for a class action lawsuit. Also maybe copy the DOT, BBB, FTA, etc insisting the Toyota immediately cease its advertisement of a supercharger, that Toyota immediately send a letter to all owners stating the delay, stating what they are doing about it, apologizing for it, offering major discounts to buyers of tC for the kit or offering a check for us to buy a competitor’s forced induction car or kit.

To me this is not like other car parts, I was a sold a car that is suppose to have a dealer installed and warrantee supercharger in what can reasonably and logically assumed to be in a timely fashion so that my tC can perform comparably to many many many other cars that can be purchased with 200+ HP. Toyota IMO has not delivered on their promise AFTER I’ve given them money.


Lastly I can just see the “vaporware” advertisements that are being designed right now by the Cobalt Marketing team, you know the one with the tC guy’s doors blown off while he holds an ad for a TRD supercharger, his hair blow back and black burn marks all over his body. Then we flash to the cool guy’s voice tired of waiting for vaporware, get a Cobalt performance now, not some promise….. in fact I can see a whole spin off on the slogan “you can’t race vaporware”. How about some guys standing around a tC with the hood open then all of them sans the owner just turn away laughing, zoom into the engine compartment and the dude got a picture of the supercharger taped to the engine. Yep GM feel free to just HACK on the tC. Send me a EMAIL and I’ll be glad to supply you a quote from a dissatisfied Toyota customer, and um I’ve had Toys for 30 years.

Hey maybe the REAL April Fool's joke is that they're telling everyone it won't be released till the end of this year and will only be +40hp when in reality it WILL be released in April and add over 40 horses... ever thought of that? huh ? huh?? :silly:

Wow. A class action lawsuit you say? Against the second largest car manufacturer in the world now? Because you bought a car too soon? Because that's their fault? Riiiiight. You saying you can sue them for not having the part on sale when ESTIMATED is like me saying I can sue you for not buying it from me when you said you would. i was promised a sale dammit! I already spent the money he said he was gonna give me!! please. "i'm gonna get my lawyers on this" is the biggest waste of breath and empty useless threat i've ever heard in my entire life. EVER! they didn't break a legally binding contract you whacko!

They haven't backed out of production, it's delayed. IF IT"S EVEN DELAYED!!! YOU ALL REALIZE YOU ARE GETTING BENT OUT OF SHAPE OVER SOMETHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET!

ha. again, wait till april then we'll see if there's anything to get bent out of shape about.

so toyota could get something through EPA testing in a week eh? i'm sure they are the only ones getting approval for a part at the moment, not to mention the vast amounts of aftermarket companies that want CARB approval or every other car manufacturer with a part/car. get real dude. i'm sure the whole testing process is just a 5 minute pass/fail thing right? yes, because some of us would rather have a conspiracy theory about toyota misleading the american public on purpose for the overall purpose of???

this has to be one of the dumbest conversations i've ever read. thanks to the people who aren't retarded. and i'm not resorting to name calling. right now to me it's fact.

I said they could design a package in a week and submit it , maybe you should learn to read. No conspiracy theory, if TRD is having problems with the package, then Toyota should stop hyping it. Their dealers should stop saying it will be ready soon. I should get a letter explaining the problem, explaining what Toyota intends to do about. It is called customer service and retaining customer loyalty and plain good will.

I said that if the supercharger is not passing XYZ, Toyota knew about it a LONG time ago AND for your information, they are breaking a contract, a verbal one uttered from just about every salesmen from every dealership, a reasonable person would assume a product due out soon, that is advertised, will be out soon, soon is not the end of the year when the average new car owner keeps his ride under 3 years, soon IMO is sub 6 months.

Say what you will, a class action lawsuit is judged by peers and this is a gen Y car, a generation characterized by short attention and instant gratification. I'm sure a jury of 12 gen Y people would consider soon to be more like the end of the week. Your so sure about the outcome of a lawsuit yet you know no details, I’m not sure of the outcome of such but I do know the supercharger is late and is getting later and yet it is still being advertised and dealers are still telling customers it will be out “soon”. A disclosure that is mandatory in any suit will show IMO that Toyota had full knowledge of any problems and potential delays but has decided to continue the hype and advertisement campaign despite the fact that no supercharger is available. Basically taking customers money and putting them in a permanent holding pattern on a partial delivery of a product. I did not just buy a tC, a purchased a tC that a supercharger would be available “soon”.

http://www.scionzone.com/html/features/reviews/tC/2004/
Here: “For those of you who are really looking for the big numbers, Scion plans on having a tC super charger available around Fall of 2004 . Look for horsepower numbers in the 200's on this Vortec / TRD dealer installable option.”
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=1823&page_number=1
Relatively good fuel efficiency is achieved using Toyota's 2.4-liter 2AZ-FE engine, the same ULEV-compliant 4-cylinder from the Toyota Camry. The engine is tuned to put out 160 bhp and seems completely understressed. It makes torque down low and pulls steadily until redline. Toyota Racing Development has announced that a supercharger kit will be available in early 2005 that, with 5 psi of boost, should produce 200 bhp.
Toyota’s own dealership:
http://www.newscionparts.com/product/?id=78
Note: This products delivery time is 10 weeks
And that is been up for at least 8 weeks.

I can go on, a reasonable person would expect the fundamental part for his performance car to be out soon, a part that 33% of tC owners say they would like to buy. A part that led to the buying decision by a whole bunch of tC owners. Toyota has my and our money, so where’s the part. Is Toyota going to extend my 100,000 mile extended warranty to cover miles after their really late part gets here? If not I’ve been damaged and by English Common Law, the system our law is based on I can now sue. If I have to sell my car now, and lose money to buy a SRT, then I’ve been damaged by the lose of money and I have grounds for a lawsuit. I would merely have to show I was purposely mislead by Toyota, and IMO if such a case goes to court, it will be shown that Toyota has a pretty good idea when this supercharger is going to be available to its customers and I bet it was before their last full page TRD tC advertisement went to print, which just came in my ricer magazine yesterday.

Your argument, and your breakdown of our law system that you seem to be so affluent in (or assume to be) is still silly. It is still a conspiracy theory that you have that Toyota is purposefully misleading people that is just a guess.

You want to sue because you wanted it sooner? Are you four years old? Sometimes grownups have to wait for things, its called patience. Understanding is also a trait a rational human being should have, not jumping to assinine conclusions because you feel "hurt".

The tC was first promised to be released in June of 04, early June at that. And you know what? It got delayed. Someone died. Where was your lawsuit then?

Celica owners might as well sue Toyota for "purposefully" selling the vehicles to consumers in 2005 knowing that they would be discontinued after this model year. My car depreciated. I want to sue.

Its not like they charged you for it already and haven't gotten it, or that it just got cancelled all together. And estimating a release date is not a verbal contract. If it was I could sue everyone who's ever said they were going to buy a car and ended up not.

"Hey when's that coffee gonna be ready? I'm gonna buy a cup for it."
"5 minutes."
5 minutes later...
"Sorry we couldn't find the filters it'll be just a few more."
"I'm gonna sue you!"

You are exactly what is wrong with our abused legal system.

You're an adult and make your own decisions, deal with it, and wait. You could have waited in the first place. You weren't forced to buy the car. So go ahead and sue. I'd love to see you waste the money. But you won't. So be quiet.

I hope you know TRD operates independantly from Toyota. They may be owned by the same parents company TMS (Toyota Motor Sales) but TRD does NOT answer to Toyota. It is just an aftermarket brand that is by Toyota.

The Scion branch may have the biggest connection to TRD (Lexus -> L-Tuned... they won't honor TRD struts installed at our dealer... hahaha what a joke!-- we ended up giving him a set of Tokicos, Toyota has "general" parts released just to get a few more dollars) but I think Scion still would have no clue in what TRD is doing.

Submitting questions regarding the TRD supercharger kit for the 2AZ-FE / ANT10 to TRD would be more appropriate.

Dealer representatives, usually, do not really know the full story. The tuners will always have an edge because of TUNERS THAT WORK AT DEALERS. A salesman pushes to make money off comission. A parts guy is USUALLY the best person to talk to if you want info (on parts, in this case) or a technician (younger guys) to find out about future engine releases/trans releases/etc (they get training pre-release, usually).

It's nice to see a thread where everyone vents and we can gather out info and see where we really stand. So right now, we are getting 4/05 as a date from TRD and 3rd quarter 05 as a date from Scion.

TRD should be the more reliable source. My guess is that the charger will be released this April and the factory Supercharged tC will arrive this Fall... but we all have to remember that TRD doesn't update their website all too often ;-)

Just remember though... the supercharger is an addition. We can all live with or without its existance... but being jerked around by a company that established a brand (Scion) to gain customer loyalty totally goes against the parent company's principle plan... oh well... we'll just have to wait and see

wow, I see a lot has been going on here since last week when I last posted. I found it funny that the complainers went from at least being "9 year olds" as I last said, to now being called "4 year olds" by someone else. I am not trying to troll here at all, but that was just too funny. Seriously though, this thread should be locked. Its getting ridiculous now. Just more people complaining and more people saying why they should show patience. Same stuff as last week.


Since this is the complaining thread though, I have something to complain about. I put Bomex mesh on my bumper with some Super Epoxy bond-all industrial strength liquid I bought at Home Depot. It says, "Dries fast, bonds forever". Well, its been on for over 2 weeks now, has had plenty of time to dry, was bonded in about 5 places, and this morning on my way back to L.A. from San Diego, I had a chance to hit about 100mph on the freeway. Next thing I know, I hear a rattle. When I stopped sure enough, top mesh was hanging off. So I guess it doesnt bond forever. I think it actaully said something about "like weld" on the package. Guess I should go sue them. LOL. OK guys. Enough of my ranting. Carry on please.

:blah: Our nation as a whole is WAY too sue happy, and unfortunatly we all suffer from the individuals such as yourself who abuse our right to sue. Your believe that you should be able to sue over a supercharger not being availiable is STUPID.Go ahead and waste your time and breath. I'd put money down that you wont get anything out of your lawsuit.

Out of 40 lines I said Toyota is asking for a class action lawsuit one they IMO will lose as a reasonable man would assume that a widely advertised part, that everyone of its dealers has indicated will be available soon probably wont be available to next year

And the only things you can say: “sue happy abuse blah blah,” all caned speeches little boys heard from their dads. I said Toyota is asking for a suit and that is was IMO. Learn how to read…. As obviously you have no clue on the hows and whys of legal actions, much less any idea of the likely outcome of such. As an example Nissan class action lawsuit as their leather seats were not full leather, Nissan showed that their seat is almost all leather and that the portions that were not leather were made that way to increase wear and comfort and cost Nissan even MORE then if it were “all leather”. Outcome Nissan loss and owned $$$$$ to all customers buying Z leather seats. So IMO Toyota is asking for a class action lawsuit, a 100% true and accurate statement, but thanks on the little boy lecture about the status of the American legal system, and about a lawsuit happy country and the prediction of the outcome of such. Is that IYHO?
:rofl: :rofl:

damn...ive never been tired out from reading before, but gheesh. its not coming...ok....wait.....for 40 horsepower and four grand.....just do a camry v6 swap. that'll get you to your 200 hp.

btw, i got to the post on page two where suby2scion started numbering his arguments.

No, what you said was:

"I for one am evaluating what I may do including: class action lawsuit, asking for ALL my money back, asking Toyota to take my car back and supply me an equivalent cost TRD supercharged Corolla, or trading my car in on a V8 Mustang or T5 S40 Volvo."

I'm done with this. It's like arguing with a dumb rock.

Wow, i thought you were smart, I guess I was wrong.^^^^^^^ Maybe you should learn how to read. You dont think we have a sue happy country? Huh.. let me see. How about the woman suing McDonald's because her hot coffee was too hot when she burned herself with it while trying to drink it while driving, or that 17 years old kids mother who sued McDonalds because after eating 5 combo meals a day there for a span of years it made her precious son fat. Ya... who would have known? I recently went to france last summer doing the whole tourist thing, and one of the places I went was a go kart track. Now here in the states I have been to one, but in order to use their karts and tracks you have to take a class for a couple of hours to learn safety and stuff like that. Then on top of the $500 you have to pay, you also have to sign waivers that you cant sue them bla bla bla. Guess what? I went to the track in France and and all I had to do was pay 10 euros for 20 laps, no class, nothing. All I had to do was pay, find a helmet that fit, and I was on the track within 1 minute. When I came back, I went back to the track I went to before, and told them about my experience in France. They said that it could be the same way here, and just as cheap if dumb a**es such as yourself didnt sue for dumb reasons. The extra cost and time of go karting here are all contributed to the steps that have to be taken to insure that the companies providing these services cannot be sued. The story you wrote about the Nissan people suing b/c their seats wern't 100% leather is the stupidest thing I have heard. Those people knew that the seats wern't 100% leather when they bought the car. There is no reason that should have won that case. Do us all a favor and sell your tC. Get that supercharged corolla. The tC was the wrong car to get if you wanted something fast. :loser:

oldman has been known to write very long post, its crazy.
if all he wants is a car to supercharge from the factory he could have bought a corolla b/c there is a TRD supercharger for the 1.8L corolla.
I am sure toyota is doing everything possible to get the S/C out as fast as they can b/c they do want to sell them.
I think a lawsuit would be a waste of time and money and in the end would accomplish nothing

Guys, this is rediculous.

No court is going to hold Toyota liable for damages resulting from a delayed release. Assuming you can prove damages that is.

Guys, this is rediculous.

No court is going to hold Toyota liable for damages resulting from a delayed release. Assuming you can prove damages that is.

I agree.

I don't think be can sue them at all, but we can definately let them know we are unhappy for all of the delays by contacting them via email or phone.

I think later tonight composing a Email to Scion, not asking about the kit, but saying either buy my car back, give me a Corolla supercharger, or be prepared for a class action lawsuit.

yeah, i'm sure toyota will get a nice laugh out of that one.

you haven't paid for the supercharger, you just paid for the car so there is nothing you can do, no need to whine about it.

considering you'll probably make the email 20 pages long they probably won't even read it.

Obviously a lawsuit right now does not make sense as April 1st or even the beginning of the year is really still in the future. I will say what seems frivolous now may seem apparent in November.
Lawsuits, a reasonable man would expect coffee to burn you if it spilled on you, a reasonable man would expect soon to be weeks or months not year or years unless you are talking about the next ice age. I stand by what I said Toyota among a whole list of other things is setting themselves up for a class action lawsuit. Frivolous or not it will damage them, couple that to the loss of faith, good will, profit, etc I think that it would behoove Toyota to pump as much $$$$ and IQ points to fix their problem and gasp let the customer know what the situation is. Is that too much to ask?
I’ve already said we should send Email and call.

Obviously a lawsuit right now does not make sense as April 1st or even the beginning of the year is really still in the future. I will say what seems frivolous now may seem apparent in November.
Lawsuits, a reasonable man would expect coffee to burn you if it spilled on you, a reasonable man would expect soon to be weeks or months not year or years unless you are talking about the next ice age. I stand by what I said Toyota among a whole list of other things is setting themselves up for a class action lawsuit. Frivolous or not it will damage them, couple that to the loss of faith, good will, profit, etc I think that it would behoove Toyota to pump as much $$$$ and IQ points to fix their problem and gasp let the customer know what the situation is. Is that too much to ask?
I’ve already said we should send Email and call.

TRD is under no obligation to supply the supercharger to anyone. For some reaon you believe that you are entitled to it. You think that a lawsuit like this will effect Toyota? Were talking about a thousand people at the very most (and I'm being generous here) backing this lawsuit, and your going up against a multi billion dollar corperation who has operations running all over the world. Your lawsuit will be a minor annoyance to them, similar to an ant crawling up your toe that gets squashed.

5 words to clear this all up...................
Subject To Change and Availability!
Read any legal disclaimer and it's there. That prevents any type of lawsuit class action or not from ever being possibly considered. They know how to cover their backsides when it comes to this kinda stuff.

Oh and any scheduled release dates for any part or vehicle, are tentative and again back to those 5 words...

Over 150 lines ago I said among other things Toyota was IMO asking to get involved in a class action lawsuit. As a reply to a posting I listed how a lawsuit could emerge and that I may indeed send my name or $50.00 that is needed by a whole group of people ____ed over something to form some as one potential option.

Now all of a sudden I'm on some sort of crazed lawsuit single handed, I had my say I'm looking at my own options and one is to go with a lawsuit if and when it comes about. I am quite familiar how big companies are, how long suits take, I dated a lawyer for 5 years, two of my best friends are lawyers. I’ve won a few lawsuits too, lost none.

Toyota via Scion via TRD is under “obligations” as you so put it by promising a delivery of an item that will allow my car to perform on par with other vehicles that I could have purchased. This obligation is IMO both legal and not in my opinion business based.

I’ve already had my say on lawsuits and it is not only I that feels TRD / Scion / Toyota is “obligated” to deliver on their commitment of a timely delivery of a supercharger. The product is being advertised, the dealer is saying soon, Scion VPs are saying soon, Scion dealers are say 10 weeks for the past 6 to 8 weeks. Etc. These statements help sway my and many other people to put down hard cash for a tC. If these statements were made by the dealer under false pretenses then they have violated the law and IMO can be subject to lawsuits and financial damages. So yes TRD et all is indeed “obligated” to the best of their ability to provided me a customer with a true and accurate assessment of when I can have their kit. Is this “obligation” a legal one? IMO yes, it sure is a business one.

How do I believe this is going to effect Toyota? Well it all depends, if this rumor is true and if this drags out till the end of this year or next year, I think it will do tremendous damage to Scion’s reputation, customer satisfaction and the like. Toyota is not like some other major companies. I believe right now today, big wheels are turning to fix this before it explodes.

Come now, once the company knows something is no longer true and that "soon" is maybe next year, it is indeed obligated to let its customers know. Toyota is indeed obligated to stop its dealers from misleading customers.

Both dealerships I went to, and three salesmen, within there fist 30 seconds they had already mentioned that “soon” there would be a supercharger for the car. No where did I hear um pending the availability subject to change you may or may not be able to get a supercharger for this car before you sell it or you don’t have a warranty.

Sure I’m a big boy, I can take that my candy ain’t gonna come today, and stuff happens, what I don’t like is Scion telling me that I can have a toy “soon” when somewhere deep in the basement of TRD something is rotten. Yes I am ____ed and I can tell I will be even more so this time next month. I’d be completely OK if I went to buy a tC and the sales guy said hey I heard we are working on a supercharger, don’t got a clue when it will come out, but hey the tC is still a nice car. That is what I call honesty and integrity. Maybe I buy, maybe not. But to hype a part that may or may not make it for a year, and there are guys waiting closing on that long a wait already. I gotta think twice about the sanity of my purchase, or the insanity of Toyota’s Scion concept.

Maybe I am in the minority, maybe not. I think there are lots of angry or soon to be very angry tC owners.

Ahhh just shut the hell up already ya freak!

Go buy a friggin' other car if you're so unhappy and leave it alone man. Good God get a life!!

Thus for going back to those 5 little words.....
There is no leagal obligation for anything due to the simple fact that those words in essence spell out that no promise gaurantee warranty or otherwise is given whatsover to the availability of any part or the like.

I am not judging anyone or calling anyone anything simply stating the fact that even though release dates have been given, they are in fact tentative. As fo a dealership telling you anything they are going to tell you what you wan't to hear because it's their job, it's how they make sales and earn their commission. It puts the food on the table for their families regardless of how ticked off it makes you in the end, and when it all comes down to it they simply point you to the proper legal disclaimer and state those 5 magic words.

Or a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I should know better by now to listen to a sales hype, even a new branded Scion salemen. The more things change the more they are still the same. OK I cave, I understand, the sales guy said.. like who is the idiot now.

Hmm, the new civic si should be out before the SC lol... Reason i stopped lookin into buying the rsx-s is because i heard the sc was comin out for the tc.. VERY DISSAPOINTING

I dont know bout you guys but for me im either gettin the ZPI 16 turbo or im going ot wait for the Greddy one and if HKS comes up with a turbo fore tc ill be getin that

why not scionspeed?

i talked to TRD few days ago and wuz stold it will be out in a month or 2. this is a direct represntative from TRD and he told me this, so i find hard to believe that we will have to wait. so dont lose hope guys.

.... hate to say I told you so .
... just check my previous posting on this subject .
.. hope you haven't been holding your breath .

...they said 3yr designs , no re-design , new models .
SCION xB ... 2004-2006 ... R.I.P.

i talked to TRD few days ago and wuz stold it will be out in a month or 2. this is a direct represntative from TRD and he told me this, so i find hard to believe that we will have to wait. so dont lose hope guys.

How high up on the food chain was this guy? Is he involved with the supercharger design on the tC or the CARB analysis?

What kind of idiot spends 16 grand on something based on what is "supposed" to be available for it in the future? hahaha Seriously, the thing could end up being the performance equivelant of a four-thousand dollar paperweight.

In fact, I'll be curious to see if the same people on this thread complaining about how long its taking toyota to develop this supercharger will be the same people complaining in a year about how the performance is too low or the price is too high or the performance is too low for the price, etc. etc. I would also be willing to bet that less than half of the people wo are so anqious to buy this supercharger are pipe-dreaming and will still be driving NA cars a year after the thing does become available.