http://www.autoblog.com/2011/01/21/report-scion-iq-delayed-until-summer/

Short Version: They didn't want to steal the new tC's "limelight" with a new model. Also they say some prototypes were late from Japan.

To me, the first part seems like an excuse for production issues... but whatever. Still curious to see how this does whenever it finally gets here.

Limelight? The company needs all the attention it can get. I hope this doesn't bite them in the ___ later on.

Too bad, I want to see one of these tricked out think it will look pretty cool.

I rather have the Aston Martin version that based off this....hehehe

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they are stuck on stupid

In before ____ gets canceled

lol

I rather have the Aston Martin version that based off this....hehehePricing came out on that one... something like 60 grand. Cygnet looks cool, but no thanks.

Actually, I knew about this privately before it hit the news. When I wrote TMC their "Thanks" letter back in July; I end it with future plans to buy a 2011 iQ.

They called back to verbally thank me back so they called my parents house not knowing I don't live there anymore. My stepmom wrote down a message with "IQ coming out next Summer" at the end.

I didn't bother to share this info with the world. Sorry! :icon_redface:

Too bad for TMC; I may buy a used IS 350 from Carmax next year. Oops :lalala:.......

500 Abarth is the ticket

steal the tC's thunder? I haven't seen a new tC yet in Chicago...there's no thunder to steal.

500 Abarth is the ticket

QFT

i heard the iQ is not 2012 compliant. I assume it failed cruise missile test

If it does come out during summer, it would make more sense as Toyota could price it accordingly to what their competition currently has out on the market (maybe they can get an extra $400-600 more per unit releasing it say in July vs. releasing it in Feb/March). Considering gas prices are $3.10-$3.35 ish right now , by summer they are supposed to be nearing $4 per gallon ... just the momentum Toyota needs to justify the price increase for summer ;-)

but they need cars that can carry something and have good gas mileage. oh wait, they have those already

Seems like Scion's got two issues:

1. They take too long to go from concept to product. Worse, the iQ isn't a brand new product -- it's been available in Europe for a couple years.
2. They're targeting low sales. Smart FourTwo had just 570 units sold in December, despite a captive market in the US. I think a micro-truck would do better.

bring back the bB!

lol.. thunder? I've seen one new tC in the Pittsburgh area.. dealerships are collecting them and not selling.

As far as compliant lol.. probably so

I say they should pull it! lol

would anybody notice?

500 Abarth is the ticket

Agree.
I'm afraid iQ is gonna flop worse than anything else from Scion. Even though it's not a bad car and has many cool things about it.

The 500 is just like a Yaris/xA underneath (front struts, torsion beam rear axle), but with a fancy body. I raced an xA. It has its limits.

The tC is actually a really nice car. It's more refined than my 1st gen tC (which is a great car)
Has anybody actually driven one before passing judgement? Scion did such a nice job on the 1st gen tC, xB, xA that I think we're a bit biased against the tC2, xB2, & xD. These are nice cars.

They are not as cheap as the first gen & that's the biggest gripe I have.

I think the guy who actually contacted Scion with his thoughts will make the biggest difference, as opposed to everybody else venting on internet forums.

you gotta know wonder, despite the great handling, which most people don't care about, is it worth more money? I think thats the issue with Scion. alot was done for a little. now it's a little for alot honestly. I'd rather go RWD for that money

JDMJim- I found something for you to sink your teeth into...

http://www.adclassix.com/images/85merkur.jpg

Oh crap, it's not 1985 and Merkur doesn't exist anymore.

>I have to wonder if our Scion brand that we know will be like this in 26 years.

Seems like Scion's got two issues:

1. They take too long to go from concept to product. Worse, the iQ isn't a brand new product -- it's been available in Europe for a couple years.
2. They're targeting low sales. Smart FourTwo had just 570 units sold in December, despite a captive market in the US. I think a micro-truck would do better.

1. The bB was available in Japan long before we received the xB here in the states. To this day, people still ask me for the old xB.

2. Scion is targeting the Mini Cooper market, not the Smart Car market.

They target Mini market? Mini are selling about 50 thousand cars per year and with Fiat 500 ( European Car of 2008 ) available in US, iQ is going to have a tough time targeting that market.

We won't be able to do "Mini Cooper Numbers" but Scion hopes to attract some of Mini Coopers audience. The Fiat will be competition for us too but I think people trust Scion more than Fiat. (At least the American born shoppers)

We won't be able to do "Mini Cooper Numbers" but Scion hopes to attract some of Mini Coopers audience. The Fiat will be competition for us too but I think people trust Scion more than Fiat. (At least the American born shoppers)

How do you figure?

The iQ sports a torsion beam rear suspension, the Mini has a multi-link; the iQ is more than 20" shorter than the Mini; the iQ's engine is likely a 1.3L 93HP, for a 24.7 lb/hp ratio, while the Mini's base engine is 1.6L 120HP, for a 21.1 lb/hp ratio; iQ won't even get past $17,000 with all options added, while the Mini can exceed $35,000 on a John Cooper Works model.

Just for kicks, if they use that 93HP engine, by comparison the xB2 has a 19.2 lb/hp ratio.

i can wait till summer. after losing the xA it will give me more time to get the down payment required. with Scion its not about mass production ie;corolla, camry, but rather an introduction to Toyota. get'em while they're young w/ Scion and then step up thru the rest of their life w/ Toyota & Lexus.

To me, iQ is something less than a real car, honestly. Same as SMART. It's a transportation pod with limited use. Yeah, it looks cool with right paint job and a kit, but you can't put a sub box in it. I can't imagine anyone choosing it over xA, for example. May be if you really need to stand out and drive something unusual just for the hell of it.

We won't be able to do "Mini Cooper Numbers" but Scion hopes to attract some of Mini Coopers audience. The Fiat will be competition for us too but I think people trust Scion more than Fiat. (At least the American born shoppers)

Funny you should mention, I've seen more Fiat's on the road in Chicago than I have seen new tC's on the road.

"i can wait till summer. after losing the xA it will give me more time to get the down payment required. with Scion its not about mass production ie;corolla, camry, but rather an introduction to Toyota. get'em while they're young w/ Scion and then step up thru the rest of their life w/ Toyota & Lexus. "

Not here. Toyota has nothing that interests me. I'd like a 1st gen IS300, but they have crazy high miles. Toyota is basically making 1998 Malibu's now. How many of you are running to the car lot for those?

and Chupa, The Ford Sierra/XR4Ti was a good car for it's time. It too was too little too late. American's didn't know what to do with turbo 4 bangers. just like the demise of the Mitsu Starion. Too much technology for us here American's then. But it's smart for Ford to try again. They have good cars in Europe. Not even the Saturn/Opel Astra made it here. Too little too late. Yea, we'll be sittin in our rocking chairs on the porch bench racing Scion's long after they go away. I wonder what the Prius line will do for them.

Overall, the IQ seems to be a pretty nice looking vehicle for people to purchase.

Without seeing one in person or driving one, it's unfair to judge. I drove a tc2, not really my cup of tea but the differences are there from our tc1's. It's a nice car but seems to mock a stock VW a little too much.

The IQ will probably be a good cult car that will take some sales away from Fiat, but Mini...don't bet on it. The following is there and Mini drivers are idiotically prideful even though the cost of ownership is high outside of the warranty. If IQ wins, it will be because of people wanting a new gas-sipping city car.

JDMJim- I definitely agree that Ford should bring more European cars here to sell. Their CEO, Alan Mulally, is a brilliant leader for Ford to have in charge. He has passion around his product because he knows it's darn good. If more auto CEO's want to thrive in a poopy economy, they need charisma and commitment to their product. CALLING ALL WHO ARE NAMED AKIO TOYODA!!!!

i heard the iQ is not 2012 compliant. I assume it failed cruise missile test
or the "pack of freightliner" test

The complicated thing about selling the iQ is that it has to be "Cool" not "Cheap". If Scion aimed to compete directly with the smart car they could wind up producing the next Geo Metro. Scion needs the iQ to obtain a cult like following much like the xB, attracting drivers who want to be different more so than finding the cheapest car. So when I say Scion will hope to obtain a portion of Mini Coopers audience, I say that because they don't see the iQ being the price leader for the Scion lineup but instead a specialty vehicle that younger, more affluent drivers might take a liking to. (Crossing fingers on the "Younger" part) If you've had the chance to check out the iQ in person, you'll understand when I say it's not a "cheap" car. I get to drive one in two weeks, I'll report on my experience afterwards.

or the "pack of freightliner" test

Or the Elephant stampede test...

problem with Toyota is really the new recall with the fuel system too. recalls after recalls, after more government fines...well, all that money spent is less to make us some cool cars to keep up with the competition.

Toyota should have worried about the market that went to Kia Soul. It is totally Scion's territory to dominate but they blew it.

Chupacabra,
The Ford Sierra (Merkur XR4Ti) was a LEGENDARY racecar in Europe.

As for comparing the iQ to the Mini, we told Scion at the Chicago iQ/tC launch that they were way off their mark. Smart, yes. Mini, no way.

I think, outside this forum, Americans believe a car needs to be a hybrid to get good mileage.

If they added a supercharger to the 1.3L engine, it could be awesome, with good gas mileage to boot. Chop the top off, too, while we're at it. :icon_biggrin:

there was actually a ragtop concept for awhile. don't think we'll see that for awhile.

Chupacabra,

I think, outside this forum, Americans believe a car needs to be a hybrid to get good mileage.
or Diesel

now there's some suppresed technics and high fuel prices for dirty fuel

Well i just found this and thought hey i would chime in. When i was at the NYC auto show last year watching the press release for the iQ i already knew it was delayed till August. Word i hear is that the 2012 crash test ratings are changing and the iQ would not meet them in the rear bumper so they decided to make the necessary changes now as opposed to having it come out then changing it anyway. This came from very very higher up's at scion corp so i would trust it as fact.

so I've heard and had a notion of anyway. just plunk some junk in the trunk and it will pass. maybe it needs a bumper off the current Eclipse....lol

I sat in an iQ today, Im 6'6 and fit pretty comfortably. I really want one now. lol

came back from Chicago auto show. they really need to do something about the radio. the little tack on pieces for the radio and speedo are..well...tacky.dash bezel literally falls off

the one i was in didnt seem tacky, to me anyway. It had a a JDM cluster though hahaa

came back from Chicago auto show. they really need to do something about the radio. the little tack on pieces for the radio and speedo are..well...tacky.dash bezel literally falls off

So they haven't changed anything since we looked at it last year in Chicago?

no. same white one

now there's some suppresed technics and high fuel prices for dirty fuel
but 50 state clean..and amazing mpg

yup

Is this the same 1 they had at the Scion Exposed in Indy last summer ???

there was an iQ at Indy? I don't recall that

I saw one in Vegas, it was just driving on the street

It was under the small tent next to the hauler that brought Ken Gushi car for the drifting !!

At Exposed Indy '10-
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn298/classicsilvermicatc/Picture008.jpg
But this little guy is at the Chicago auto show; on the deplay rack.

Chicago Auto Show; looks like the same one from RSVP event tour. Didn't take photos of that one.

This was from RSVP Chicago show
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn298/classicsilvermicatc/R1-24A.jpg

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Anyone who went to Chicago auto show: Did you shut the driver's side door? And, "Yes" did you hear it rattle pretty bad? I felt that the door is much lighter than xAs. I HOPE TMC fixes that rattle problem :nails: it sounded like CRAP!

Thanks for the pictures !!

oh yea, i was thinkin the white one....and yea, I likehow the door flutters when it closes.....or not

This was taking at the Longo Toyota Car Show in irwindale ,cali last year. I tried to take a pic of the IQ,but had trouble with the camera wanting to go back to the Tc,..:cool:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/chicken442/scioniq.jpg

This was taking at the Longo Toyota Car Show in irwindale ,cali last year. I tried to take a pic of the IQ,but had trouble with the camera wanting to go back to the Tc,..:cool:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/chicken442/scioniq.jpg

Sweet! That camera has nice taste. :clap:

it is sad how they botched the release of this car

it is sad how they botched the release of this car

Certainly disappointing. I saw it at a presentation here in Portland a year ago along with the new tC

You guys should of been at the Chicago Auto show on the 1st Saturday.

EVERYONE (kids to retirees) was giving the iQ tons of attention! Which was mostly positive. Then of course, what was on everyone minds? "How much?"

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I LOVE THIS CAR SO MUCH ALREADY:love:

8.4 gal tank! :icon_mrgreen:

Max speed is 93 mph! lol

These specs are off the gas European version....

http://www.toyota-europe.com/cars/new_cars/iq/fullspecs.aspx

I couldn't believe they didn't have it available at the Washington Auto Show. Their excuse, it needed to be in New York. It's still 2 months away. The fact that a year after product announcement they still don't even have a concept model available for the non-major shows tells me Toyota has completely dropped the ball on the Scion brand. Couldn't they have just grabbed a Euro-spec iQ and changed badging?

It was entertaining to visit the Smart booth and listen to all the people making fun of it, though I felt kind of bad for the sales reps.

I couldn't believe they didn't have it available at the Washington Auto Show. Their excuse, it needed to be in New York. It's still 2 months away. The fact that a year after product announcement they still don't even have a concept model available for the non-major shows tells me Toyota has completely dropped the ball on the Scion brand. Couldn't they have just grabbed a Euro-spec iQ and changed badging?

It was entertaining to visit the Smart booth and listen to all the people making fun of it, though I felt kind of bad for the sales reps.

iQ isn't at the Milwaukee auto show. Milwaukee dealers usually do the show and not TMC.


Fiat is building-on to the Chrysler plant in Illinois. 500,000 factory line for the Fiat 500. Here's the kicker, they don't know how well the sales are going to be in the US to get them even made? So they are taking huge risk. I did some research this AM about the 500; starting price tag is 17-20k!!! :rolleyes: If I recall correctly; Smarts were going for $22+ but the economy was in great shape and the gas was in the average mid-$4's.

That's why I think Toyota is making HUGE wise decision. Rear window airbag which includes 9 more other airbags. Keep making them in Japan. This whole Libyan gas crisis is a blessing in disguise for them.


I hope some TMC online researchers sees this-
If they sold these with price tag of 11-14k; these WILL be flying off the lots!

We can only hope. I'd guess they put it out at $14.5k and try to market it as a premium small car. If Scion is shooting for sales number and competes with the Smart, you're looking at a total market of around 100,000 sales. However, if they want to break out of the city car only segment, price has got to drop below $14k.

Honestly, why would you get an iQ if it's over 14k when something like the new Elantra costs the same, is larger, has 4 doors, still gets 40 MPG and frankly looks better. By holding off the iQ a year, I think they just got passed by the market.

it looks like a guaranteed flop.. if I was them I would not even bother...file it with the ft-86 as looks like it will never happen or if it does it will no longer be relevant....
Scion might position itself to be like the Edsel if they are not careful

However, if they want to break out of the city car only segment, price has got to drop below $14k.

Honestly, why would you get an iQ if it's over 14k when something like the new Elantra costs the same, is larger, has 4 doors, still gets 40 MPG and frankly looks better. By holding off the iQ a year, I think they just got passed by the market.

Some people were telling me this back in early 2007, when I bought my xA for $14.1K. If people on here are wanting what a iQ can do, why not look into finding the cleanest 2005-06 xA you can find, which will also be more versitile in terms of loading stuff in the back (I searched Autotrader a couple of weeks back, and there were a few within 300 miles of me for $5000-7000 that looked clean, even a RS3 5-speed!!

If Toyota has to hold back on this, due to safety requirements, then so be it. The gas cost out there is already getting crazy, and its March! :gun: Obama needs to cut that "no drilling for oil on US terriorty" action, and get back to business!

well, everything is riding on this mystical FT. Toyota needs a homerun or Scion is done

This whole Libyan gas crisis is a blessing in disguise for them

Libya has an extreme minimum to do with gas prices (produce less than 2% of the world supply of which we do not purchase any of it). it is all speculation right now. The supply of oil is higher than it has ever been in history and the demand in the US is lower than it has been since 1990. We are talking demand dropping by billions of barrels and supply is up by trillions. Speculators see this as a guise to make massive amounts of profit (think 2009 when oil companies made massive profits; trillions higher than 2008). This is not the oil companies doing or OPEC for that matter it is pretty much guys sitting on the Wall Streets of the world 'predicting' that supply MIGHT drop by a fraction of a percent and seeing it as an investment opportunity.

By the way we get more than 1/3 of our gasoline from Canada and if Obama removes his ban we produce another 1/4-1/3 in the US.

EDIT: wait until the Day of Rage gets closer and supply will actually drop by a ton. We are talking 500 dollars a barrel and 10+ dollar gas.

Libya is an excuse for oil tycoons to raise oil prices now....

Libya is an excuse for oil tycoons to raise oil prices now....

Investors, not oil tycoons... Those don't really exist anymore; just old money and sheiks.

haha! well, the reasoning for buying a xA being cheaper than an iQ...I mean, people aren;t buying xA's because they are a Scion or look cool. they have become cheap transportation now. Most of the ones i see are jacked up and broken, scratched, dented, missing grills. The car was too quirky for american buyers, but really popular in Japan. I saw more of those than bB's. Even today...iQ is bad timing and just plain too weird even for me and my VIP xB1 that's too weird for anyone in the midwest

So sad for Japan and the Japanese. It'll be many years before they come close to getting back to where they were only last week and decades for some areas. It will be understandable if it's a year before we see the iQ.

So sad for Japan and the Japanese. It'll be many years before they come close to getting back to where they were only last week and decades for some areas. It will be understandable if it's a year before we see the iQ.


I wonder if these puppies were supposed to be built in the future at the new factory? The Yaris plant that got ruined.

If there's going to be shortages on Toyota parts in the near future? Like Japanese Denzo parts.

I also wonder about this: How many brand new Toyotas are sitting at the bottom of the Pacific? What about this theory; how many of those 175 made for US customers Lexus LFAs are sitting in the containers with those very same Toyotas?

God may help the Japanese & give them luck in the future to overcome.

those are things to think about, but most of the companies can't produce anyhting without power

Scion iQ: Prelaunch work on the Scion iQ minicar is being done to get it to dealers as early as June. Toyota says no delay is anticipated.
Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-20047915-48.html#ixzz1I2vEq7tp

hmm, no delay but the country it's produced in has cut back production....we'll see. no doubt there is a small stockpile. when, or if it's gone, they'll be shorthanded

The tC rear quartes look like the dodge charger's ones. and so what if the rear seats recline (sort of) I still bus my head on the rear glass. (69" tall)

I think the iQ will sell way better then the Smart. Can't wait to check it out.

better late than never I guess. I wanted one of these 2 years ago but I'm still waiting. I wanted the 1.0L manual or turbo diesel. If 1.3L CVT is the only option, that would be a deal breaker.

my real guess at the delay all these years is prius competition.

you're better off with the Prius....

I rather have the Aston Martin version that based off this....hehehe

Unfortunately, you have to have an Aston already sitting in your driveway. No sneaking in on the bottom rail unless you already own one. I believe the first run has been spoken for.

:frown:

you're better off with the Prius....

Ya.... Not so much. You do know that Hybrids are total carbon loss right? When you take everything that goes into making a Prius it's like driving a Hummer.
Just sayin.

The Scion iQ would the states even later than we thought, thanks to Toyota parts, misery. Now Scion says the small car that was allegedly bow late this summer, has been postponed indefinitely.


Scion brass will not occur if the iQ will actually start to speculate, which makes sense, since Toyota has yet figured out if they are planning a full production after the earthquake again. The current word is that in North America iQ can not hit dealers until early 2012. This shift is, the second time launch of the Scion iQ, and the third time, the company has reportedly postponed his mind about selling the car before timing changed.


http://www.truckgarage.net/2012-scion-iq

you're better off with the Prius....


CT200 all day.....

Ya.... Not so much. You do know that Hybrids are total carbon loss right? When you take everything that goes into making a Prius it's like driving a Hummer.
Just sayin.


yea and? get gas once a week or once every 3 days? at the price they are now, I choose once a week. How about you? $75-80 a week or $35 a week??

^^ yaris fill up cost me 38 bucks yesterday....

Just filled the box this morning and got 10 gal and paid 42.00 OUCH !!!

im glad i didn't trade it in when i had the chance.....

ugg my corolla was on e with the light on at 3.99 a gal took 40$

PRius drove 7 hours and less than a tank of gas. Chicago to Indy and back on $40. The hell with carbon loss. Takes my xB and xD two tanks. One down and one back. $80. Sorry to argue, but the hybrid's are cheaper to operate. oil change every 10K too.

So, back on topic.
Has anyone heard when this going to be released? Is it still July?
I think we all agree that Scion dropped to ball on this one. There was a lot of hype and talk when it was going to be released in January, but no one seems to care right now.
Someone said that they pushed it back because they wanted the lime-light for the new tC. Well, I think it worked, no one care about the iQ.

It's been delayed indefinitely.

The Scion iQ (http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/31/2011-scion-iq-new-york-2010-reveal/) will be getting the States even later than we thought (http://green.autoblog.com/2011/01/27/toyota-confirms-scion-iq-delayed-until-summer/), thanks to Toyota's parts supply woes. According to TheDetroitBureau.com, Scion (http://www.autoblog.com/make/scion/) now says the microcar, which was supposed to bow late this summer, has been postponed indefinitely.

Scion brass won't speculate on when the iQ will actually be launched, which makes sense since Toyota (http://www.autoblog.com/make/toyota/) hasn't yet figured out when it can resume a full production schedule post-earthquake. The current word is that North America's iQ might not hit dealers until early 2012. This postponement marks the second time Scion has delayed the iQ's launch, and the third time the company has reportedly changed its mind about the car's on-sale timing (http://green.autoblog.com/2009/08/17/pulled-ahead-scion-dealers-saying-iq-headed-for-u-s-in-2010/).

Get it right. Scion didn't drop the ball. America crash standards screwed them up. Then a tsunami came along and wiped out NE Japan. no need to hate Scion because of our own crash standards and natural disasters. If Toyota can't pass crash tests with this car, it makes me wonder how Smarts are getting by now

Scion.com still says delivery in 2011.

I think that is where my confutation was coming from. Scion.Com and the Toyota/Scion news room still has this posted as early 2011 as the release date.
And, don't get me wrong JDMJim, I love Scions. I just would have thought they would test the safeties a long time ago. They could have brought some over from Japan to see how they were in our safety tests.

they did. then we changed the rules for 2012. the car can't pass crash tests unless they can survive a hit form armegeddon

Get it right. Scion didn't drop the ball. America crash standards screwed them up. Then a tsunami came along and wiped out NE Japan. no need to hate Scion because of our own crash standards and natural disasters. If Toyota can't pass crash tests with this car, it makes me wonder how Smarts are getting by now
The Fiat 500 seems to have gotten a pass

Chrysler needs all the help it can get....they owe us money.

so would you rather have this? Since The IQ may never get here any time soon
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=546e1bd8-9ba6-438e-bfa5-7ac0c5efe859&icid=autos_1947&GT1=22026

it would like pretty sweet with rims as the body is small and the rims would like bigger on it.

The Mini is a coupe already. the low roof looks wierd on the stocky body.
This would be cool but I bet it rides like it's on granite springs
http://mkimg.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/002/688/127/2688127/p3.jpg
http://mkimg.bmcdn.jp/minkara/photo/000/002/688/127/2688127/p4.jpg

I can not wait to see this car in person!

boner achieved :)

there was a review of it in this months motor trend. It wasnt good. They said it couldnt get out of its own way and driving it on the highway was scary due to its high center of gravity made it feel like it was going to tip over lol

I haven't seen too many driving at all. The only one I saw was near San Francisco.

hi this is steve guys

ya its realy great nice model