what can I expect ? Best place to buy? any other brands better?[/b]

What can you expect? Nothing extreme actually, faster throttle respones and faster revs from 1k-4k... it will get you to your powerband slightly faster!

Best place to buy?
Ebay?(wait around)
Anywhere but vividracing.com! (Gave me big time hassle with shipping)

Other brands?
Is there even anyother brand other than Perrin?

there is no other brand out there with a lightweight pulley

there is no other brand out there with a lightweight pulley

What about buying it directly from Perrin website ? has anyone tried it ?


what other lightened Pulleys or flywheels are availables for this engine?

I heard that after market pullies wear out belts faster is this true?

I heard that after market pullies wear out belts faster is this true?
Never happened to me on any of my cars :no:

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1573_1844_675_2037 dont worry its the new pulley, but they have it for the cheapest i think, they are great to work with...... tell them pete sent ya, they will hook u up.........

Here is the problem with aftermarket pullies:

your stock crank pully has a rubber grommet in the hole of it, this is also known as the harmonic balancer. I used to be a honda owner, and plent of people had problems with this. The main job of the harmonic balancer is to absorb vibration....same concept as liquid filled motor mounts as oppposed to urethane mounts....the only problem is when the vibration isn't being absorbed by the harmonic balancer, guess whats absorbing it.....your motor...you WILL hear a rattle after a while. I've never seen an aftermarket pulley that comes with the rubber grommet, but until i do...no pulleys for me.

Once again, for those of you that have ran urethane motor mounts ever....think about how your car was before the mounts, and after....when you have liquid filled mounts, the mounts absorb all the vibrations, but with urethan mounts, your car and you will feel some good vibrations

maybe re use the rubber Gromit

it won't fit in there without some major customization

get a new one?

have fun

I heard that after market pullies wear out belts faster is this true?
Never happened to me on any of my cars :no:

Me neither! Had it on my Eclipse when it was 2500miles... now its almost 150k miles.. still running strong!

i found the pulley for about $130 after shipping. Is that a good bang for the buck mod? Or is there another little engine upgrade that would be a better buy?

i found the pulley for about $130 after shipping. Is that a good bang for the buck mod? Or is there another little engine upgrade that would be a better buy? where >? make sure its the new pulley not the old one that didnt fit

I had the AEM Crank pully on my 2000 Honda Accord V6 for about 15k miles and I never had any rattle or problems with it ...

http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=1573_1844_675_2037 dont worry its the new pulley, but they have it for the cheapest i think, they are great to work with...... tell them pete sent ya, they will hook u up.........

I sell it for 125 + shipping everyday. Its a small item and even to cali will only be about 8 bucks shipping. So wow, it looks like I am the cheapest....

the page says $135 + ship, how do i get the 125 price?

Vivid sells it for 135... I sell it for 125 + shipping at www.lastlookcustoms.com You need to go to gallery and click on engine parts for sale to see it. I dont have a shopping cart setup. The less I spend on the website, the lower I can keep my prices. That is why I dont have a shopping cart set up. PM me if you are interested...

okay...everybody selling for $125 + shipping. Anybody taking $130 shipped. Making it easy on me. LOL

got mines for under 100.00...but thats in the past now...sorry

i will hook ya up for 130 shipped.... as long as you live within the lower 48. My paypal is Sales@lastlookcustoms.com

i will hook ya up for 130 shipped.... as long as you live within the lower 48. My paypal is Sales@lastlookcustoms.com

i'm in so cali. so yup..i'm within the lower 48 states. so payment being sent.

Ron

sounds good... I am not at the shop right now obviously, so i will take care of it tomorrow...

whoa! $130 shipped? sounds like a deal to me :)

People, don't foget to add insurance to your shipping. This thing get dented easily, because it is poorly packaged. Only one side of the pulley get some air bag protection the other sides relying on low strength cardboard.

i will hook ya up for 130 shipped.... as long as you live within the lower 48. My paypal is Sales@lastlookcustoms.com

do u still have these for 130 shipped?

check this out:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54441

129.98 shipped, i bought mine yesterday, got it today.

I sell them for 130 shipped all day long. But if you get picky, I will sell it for 129.98....

check this out:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54441

129.98 shipped, i bought mine yesterday, got it today.

Hey man...have you already installed it...... does it fits properly........ I still remember the first ones were faulty......

i got one of them.fit no problem. Only problem is that they don't have timing marks on the crank pully. A big no, no.

i got one of them.fit no problem. Only problem is that they don't have timing marks on the crank pully. A big no, no.


What did you do then ???? Sorry I'm not an expert.... :lalala:

i notched it, and added some whiteout to the mark. not balance...but if I need to time it i would of had to put my old pully on.

I have one I will let go for $129.00 shipped. It is brand new all I have done is take it out of the box to look at it. I was going to install it but I just haven't time and I am in need of some money right now. Paypal is preferred. PM me for paypal address. The Perrin Pulley is also listed in the PPC: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=56402&highlight=perrin

Here is the problem with aftermarket pullies:

your stock crank pully has a rubber grommet in the hole of it, this is also known as the harmonic balancer. I used to be a honda owner, and plent of people had problems with this. The main job of the harmonic balancer is to absorb vibration....same concept as liquid filled motor mounts as oppposed to urethane mounts....the only problem is when the vibration isn't being absorbed by the harmonic balancer, guess whats absorbing it.....your motor...you WILL hear a rattle after a while. I've never seen an aftermarket pulley that comes with the rubber grommet, but until i do...no pulleys for me.

Once again, for those of you that have ran urethane motor mounts ever....think about how your car was before the mounts, and after....when you have liquid filled mounts, the mounts absorb all the vibrations, but with urethan mounts, your car and you will feel some good vibrations

I was worried about the after-effects of installing the Perrin pulley as well, so I called up Perrin. The guy I talked to was really friendly and explained a few things I thought I'd share.

In regards to the rubber grommit, he said that the xb/xa engines are internally balanced, so the rubber grommit serves no purpose in that regard. After talking to oem pully manufacturers, they found that the main reason the grommit is there on the oem pully is because of the cost effective manufacturing process. The oem pulleys are cast, not milled. The grommit gives them a lil bit of a fudge factor. As far as any harmonic balancing issues goes, he said the belts would provide more balancing than necessary.

He also said that the Perrin pulley will help your engine to run truer, and you may actually experience longer belt life w/the Perrin pulley.

I'm not trying to start any tech knowledge competition, or any arguments or anything. I just figured I'd share the info that put my fears at ease before I purchased my Perrin pulley. For all I know, what I was told may have just been a sales pitch...if so, it worked!

i got mine about a week ago and have noticed better throttle response and generally easier revs. I got no complaints so far.

seems like the pully has a lot of good reviews. a few echo guys have them on their 1nzfe's. i'll join the club eventually :)

its a good mod...not seen, but felt in the revs...

i say go for it...

definitely man, especially paired along with this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7966727724&category=33732&sspagename=WDVW

10lbs o.0

definitely man, especially paired along with this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7966727724&category=33732&sspagename=WDVW

10lbs o.0

umm i would call clutch masters about that... I checked their site... i saw nothing for an xb/xa or echos... there is a lightweight flywheel for a tc though...

someone from echofans emailed them and it's for the 15.lt and 10lbs

hmmmm.
hmmmm.

Just got mine installed tonight but I have not been able to check it out yet

mine is incoming i'll you all know how it is

I installed the Perrin pulley I bought from another SL member today:

Pulley:
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The car looked pretty good in the shop, so I took a pic and posted it for all of your viewing pleasure :P
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The pully hasn't made a dramatic difference, but I feel like there's a little more power while accelerating off the line. I don't know if these cars were designed for japanese mechanics, and not big ol' texans or what, but it took like 3 hrs and a lot of squeezing and cramming around and under the engine to get it installed. I'm glad it's done! :relief:

Has anyone done a full tech on this yet? Looks like a pain in the ___ to do with the lack of room to get to the adjustment bolts to loosen them for the belt removal...

the alternator is easy to loosen....(unless you have the power adder....arghhh.)
the you can do the screw driver under the belt trick....
look for a previous thread on the pulley (by munch) he did a basic write up....its not that hard...
the car should be up so you can get under with tools...

is the perrin pulley a different color now? based on the pic and the one i got today its now blue... I always thought it was silver?

it's like a purple-ish blue

does perrin make a short shifter?

sen-

sensez: yes, well its listed on their site at least

whats the site?

sen-

Why do you even need timing marks on the pulley. New Toyotas don't even have adjustable timing (computer does it itself with VVTi) and to set up the timing for a timing chain there are yellow marks on the chain and dots on the sprockets which you line up, no need for setting any marks like on a car with timing belt.

www.perrinperformance.com

thanks.

ok just got it installed...
yes loosening the belts was a true pain in the ___.

As was trying to get the pulley itself off.

Re tightening the belts was a pain too.. and i'm hoping that I put them back correctly and that they are tight enough.

To get the pulley off, we finally just stuck a metal rod and stopped the fly wheel (we had no air tools).

First a couple of misconceptions about the pulley. on the stock one.. there are no rubber grommets or rubber layer. except for the spokes and weight... the lightened pulley is physically indentical to the stock one.
So unless the weight is a huge factor there should be no harmonic balancing issues..

I also asked a mechanic about the timing marker... and he couldn't see why a timing marker was necessary..

as for performance.. the engine does feel smoother at the low end... and does seem to accelerate a little faster...

however on the highway i didn't feel any difference. I actually had some problems getting the car above 70...

then again I was up against heavy winds and traffic...
so that may be why... i'll see again when i drive the car today

however on the highway i didn't feel any difference. I actually had some problems getting the car above 70...

then again I was up against heavy winds and traffic...
so that may be why... i'll see again when i drive the car today

Only able to get to 70? My xB hits 115 without problem. Completely stock it did about 110. All I have is the DC sports header and Injen Short Ram intake. I'd really like to get a verdict on the Perrin Pulley... anyone have access to a dyno to do a before and after on this product?

my car would probably hit that eventually... but its pretty hard to go that fast in Queens...

i don't know why yet.. like i said it might've been high winds... but i was having trouble getting up to speed without stomping on the pedal... (i could get it if i took off o/d and then reengaged it at the end..)...

invariably though... i would run out of room (traffic) so i couldn't really tell how the car felt at 70+

i noticwd a huge difference in the shifting aspect as opposed to power... My car was more inclined to catch up w/ my shifts instead of the needle going down in rpm's and then increasing as I applied the throttle. It did not seem to be a power mod, as much as it was a shifting mod. don't know if that made sense, but I love it . It made a difference than the stock driving experience so that made me happy

hmm I had the opportunity to really open up the car today...
yeah... it was nice... even on an auto... the accell was much smoother overall...

I didn't feel engine hestitation like I used to when I stomped the pedal.

as for the 70mph thing... well its kinda funny. I actually feel like I'm going faster than I was before. What I mean is, for some reason, I'll be travelling along what appears to be "really fast" and I'll look at my speed and I'll only be going around 67mph...
Whereas pre-pulley, I'll be travelling along 'not that fast" and I'll look down and it'll be like 75 mph...
placebo effect? I really don't think so. But the feeling doesn't make sense to me at all.

i think overall, you'll "feel" this mod if you drive a lot (it definately changed the way the car drives). But its not one of those mods that so readily apparent, that if you switched it our without telling anyone, they'd notice it.

hmm now all we need is it to come down in price it sounds like a good mod , I wont be looking forward to swapping it out tho , damn la ck of air tools.

I have had the pulley on for several weeks now. I don't notice a huge change but it does make a difference. We are having a dyno meet in June so maybe we can get some good numbers then.

just got it installed today by munch, thanks to vito... verdict - worth the money - buy it. and just gotta say Thanks to MUNCH!! <--- that guy is amazing, i cant say enuff good things about him - if ur in new york and need some work done, go to him... and overpay him! he needs to feed that massive box sittin in his driveway

just got it installed today by munch, thanks to vito... verdict - worth the money - buy it. and just gotta say Thanks to MUNCH!! <--- that guy is amazing, i cant say enuff good things about him - if ur in new york and need some work done, go to him... and overpay him! he needs to feed that massive box sittin in his driveway
Thanks for the praise Alex I appreciate it. When your ready for the other installs just let me know. Now I gotta do Vito's pulley friday before we goto Deer Park Ave :rofl: . Enjoy your new found power......................oh I almost forgot SWEET 8) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :silly: :silly:

munch btw... I gotta ask you, how'd you deal with loosening the belts? as well as getting the old pulley off?

Just wondering if there's an easier way than the mess I went through...

munch btw... I gotta ask you, how'd you deal with loosening the belts? as well as getting the old pulley off?

Just wondering if there's an easier way than the mess I went through...
Waaaaaaaaaayyyy too easy. It took me longer waiting for my friend Vito to get me a 21mm socket to take the wheel off then it took me to do the whole install. Loosen the alternator rotate it to loosen the belt, take it off. Crawl under the car, put a ratchet on the crank pulley bolt, put a flathead screwdriver under the belt, pry ever so gently to the left and turn the crank pulley bolt with the ratchet. The belt will come off in your hands. Everything else is self explanitory. It's too easy. The pulley install is a joke if you know what you're doing.

we had a hard time loosening the alternator... we had to loosen the bolt which it rotated on in order to get it to move... but it was really hard to get to.

The screw driver trick would've been nice to do for the other belt though

hey anyone know if installing the pulley can affect fuel consumption in any way? less or more mpgs?

Well now that I've lived with my pulley for a while now...
here are my final thoughts... as one person has said here already, your engine runs "truer" in a sense. When you step on the pedal the car goes quicker, when you don't the engine winds down quicker... So for me in NY traffic and local driving its great. I guess the downside is similiar to what someone posted about shedding too much weight off the flywheel...
Since you lose some rotational momentum, you MIGHT lose some mileage and some power in certain situations. I thought it was just my imagination but... now that I have driven it more... you definately lose a little power going uphill (especially since I'm used to speeding up and letting the momentum carry me up the hill)

So I think basically overall about the mileage question... you would lose some hwy mileage... but gain some city mileage.

Overall, I'm pretty pleased with the mod... NY is a lot of stop and go driving, so it works out pretty well. And I think the high speed power loss seems to come in for me at around 73-80 mph... which is just fine since it really keeps me from excessively speeding.

I have yet to see how it feels fully loaded with the a/c on... I guess that's the true test whether there's enough power.

My first full tank after the pulley mod btw 32.5 mpg...
my high before is was 33.. but the usual amount was 32. (and much lower in the winter). So i'm guessing its pretty much evened out.

so munch is the pulley really easy to do even with just hand tools?

so munch is the pulley really easy to do even with just hand tools?
If you work on your own car.........Yes it is.

My experience tells me that Munch and Chimmy are right on the money with their comments.

i love the pulley. i feel a difference across the power band. mind you not huge. installation was fair but well worth the money :clap:

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