Engine swap??? [Archive]

n19811978

03-12-2005, 01:20 AM

Wasssup peoples!!! This is my fist post in this forum, I actually DON'T own a Scion..... yet. I have a 2002 VW GTI thats in the shop (fender bender) and I'll be trading it in for possibly an XA. I was just curiuos, has anybody swapped in a larger Toyota motor into their XA or XB?? I want to race my Scion, but Im affraid the tiny 1.5 Echo motor won't be able to put down the ponies.....

-Nick-

boogi_man

03-12-2005, 01:44 AM

my understanding is the 1.8L from the Celica Gt is a bolt in and there are some awesome turbo kits out there for it

dgHotLava

03-12-2005, 01:53 AM

my understanding is the 1.8L from the Celica Gt is a bolt in and there are some awesome turbo kits out there for it
where does your understanding come from???

unlmtdndeavor

03-12-2005, 01:55 AM

my understanding is the 1.8L from the Celica Gt is a bolt in and there are some awesome turbo kits out there for it
nope. i dont know who told you that, but it requires extensive modification. it can be done, but the frame has to be cut about 4"

Wasssup peoples!!! This is my fist post in this forum, I actually DON'T own a Scion..... yet. I have a 2002 VW GTI thats in the shop (fender bender) and I'll be trading it in for possibly an XA. I was just curiuos, has anybody swapped in a larger Toyota motor into their XA or XB?? I want to race my Scion, but Im affraid the tiny 1.5 Echo motor won't be able to put down the ponies.....

how fast do you plan to go. are u planning on dragging? if u want power, get the internals built, then get a s/c or make a turbo kit for it. a starlet motor is the only motor that will fit without modification to the chassis.

n19811978

03-13-2005, 11:40 PM

I would love to build up the engine.... but who makes farged (stronger) internals for the Toyota 1.5L??? As far as how fast..... well fast enough to make someone sorry for making fun of my tiny XA!! Yes, I want to drag race.... and I want it to be faster than my Vw GTi (14.8sec in 1/4mile (stock turbo).

-Nick-

silverxb

03-13-2005, 11:54 PM

what ever happened to that turbo echo that did 7s on the 1/4 mi.

killerxromances

03-13-2005, 11:56 PM

With the right amount of money, and mods, anything is possible. But the likely hood of you reaching 13's in the quarter is slim. There is only so much the 1nz block can take. Especially if you also want a daily driver.

Best start: Build internals, s/c or t/c, bore pistons (slightly), stroker kit, ECU upgrade, performance spark plugs, weight reduction (CF included), drop center of gravity, intercooler, possible CAM upgrade if you really have deep pockets.

Power enterprises (so rumor has it) is coming out with a vvt-i controller, much like the vtec controller for honda. If true, that would be a GREAT investment.

I'd recommend a s/c over t/c simply because of redline issues. My own opinion, and experiences..Turbos work slightly better with higher-revving motors. Supercharger would be great, especially if the P.E controller comes out! :clap:

Good luck.

lonewolfxb

03-14-2005, 12:23 AM

Any v6 or v8 will fit in tha backseat with some work and money. You bought the wrong car if you are looking for HP and 150 MPH. Just enjoy the fun and the great gas mi.

hotbox05

03-14-2005, 12:57 AM

only fun comes from speed.

xmetalx

03-14-2005, 02:56 AM

if you could build the motor to boost 12psi it would go zoom.

dgHotLava

03-14-2005, 10:34 AM

if you could build the motor to boost 12psi it would go zoom.

zooooooom.....all right!!!!

Ashe_WCM

03-14-2005, 01:08 PM

and if you just boost with out building it goes Booom.

(sorry had to say it :P )

SamOnFire

03-14-2005, 01:32 PM

only fun comes from speed.
It is so wierd that you think that. Most of the fun I have in my box is when I'm parked.

dgHotLava

03-14-2005, 07:43 PM

and if you just boost with out building it goes Booom.

(sorry had to say it :P )

still waiting for the boooooooooom....

xmetalx

03-14-2005, 08:11 PM

only fun comes from speed.
It is so wierd that you think that. Most of the fun I have in my box is when I'm parked.

HAH! i second that

Rion

03-15-2005, 10:46 PM

If you are used to a turbo GTI, you are going to be sorely disappointed in even a heavily modified xA or xB dude. You might want to rethink that. Maybe a tC would be a better choice for you?

xmetalx

03-15-2005, 11:00 PM

the tc is like 800 lbs more than the xb/xa if i remember right. its not much quicker, a turbo xa with a mildly built motor will stomp all over GSR's and celica GTS's etc etc

timinaz

03-16-2005, 01:40 AM

and if you just boost with out building it goes Booom.

(sorry had to say it :P )

Sooo it would go zooom----BOOOM! :rofl:

Ashe_WCM

03-16-2005, 02:14 AM

Heres a thought....
Pop out the 1NZ-FE and C150 transmission and pop in the Engine from a Cooper S with its 6-speed :)

hotbox05

03-16-2005, 02:18 AM

Heres a thought....
Pop out the 1NZ-FE and C150 transmission and pop in the Engine from a Cooper S with its 6-speed :)That'd be dumb and difficult.

JDM_Junkyard

03-16-2005, 02:43 AM

if interested put in a starlet motor from Japan. it's a direct bolt on but it's a 1.3l turbo motor. Output is 150ps...so roughly 145hp.

Ron

hotbox05

03-16-2005, 09:22 AM

if interested put in a starlet motor from Japan. it's a direct bolt on but it's a 1.3l turbo motor. Output is 150ps...so roughly 145hp.

RonHow about a quote on a 1zz motor and trans , sweet , pm me . thanx.

djct_watt

03-16-2005, 10:27 AM

the turbos on those starlet motors are easy to upgrade. . . it's actually in interesting prospect. I believe they've done it to a few vitz's in Japan.

JDM_Junkyard

03-16-2005, 04:08 PM

hotbox05

03-17-2005, 12:45 AM

djct_watt

03-17-2005, 04:23 AM

yeah. . . it'd be pricier than the starlet motor. But for all out, you'd probably have to go with larger displacement. For "bang for the buck," 1.3 turbo ain't bad.

JDM_Junkyard

03-17-2005, 04:25 AM

the turbos on those starlet motors are easy to upgrade. . . it's actually in interesting prospect. I believe they've done it to a few vitz's in Japan.

I thought about it, and it isn't that expensive, but...I just thinking I got the car only 1k miles ago, and I got a full factory warranty doesn't make me feel good about redoing the wiring on this yet.

I rather put in a 1.3l starlet motor over the 1zz, since this is smaller and has more potential. I have heard of 170 whp from a turbo starlet motor with minor upgrades...that's a RSX/Si eater and in the ball park of a WRX eater.ever hear of a trd supercharged 1zz? more hp than that . well with header , full exhaust and some tweaking/tuning. and it's a practically new motor and i can guarrantee you if you did the swap right could be california legal.

i saw the 1zz inside the echo...and it looks to have absolutly no more room for turbo or supercharger...so you can only go all motor...lol back to my lightweight turbo ideal....and maybe convert to 4wd like in japan...lol

unlmtdndeavor

03-19-2005, 04:38 AM

if interested put in a starlet motor from Japan. it's a direct bolt on but it's a 1.3l turbo motor. Output is 150ps...so roughly 145hp.

Ron
i don't believe it is a direct bolt on. who told you that, new mounts will have to be made.

HuNTeRNIU

11-07-2005, 01:31 AM

killerxromances

11-07-2005, 02:13 AM

Hello, My name is Jason and I bought a 2005 Scion xB last year...

I WANT IT TO BE FASTER!

From what i've read in this post that may not be entirely possible, but I don't know a lot about cars and upgrading them so I was hoping someone could help me learn.

Money IS NOT an issue. I have already put an additional 16,000 into my xB's looks, features and alarm from the original 14,000 the car cost. (In otherwords i spent 30,000 on a 14,000 dollar car) Now that the car has everything I want other than speed I need to know what all I can do to make it fast. It is the Manual Transmission model (5-Speed). What types of engine compartment mods can I do, how fast is feasible for this car, and what price range am I talking?

I would like to keep it between 5,000 and 10,000 more but above 10k wouldn't be a big issue... Any Ideas??? (Other than buy a Viper!) I want a fast Toaster so I can put the "You Just Got Beat By a Toaster" sticker on the back window :^Þ

P.S. This will for now be a daily driver as well, i want a fast 1/4 mile time while still being able to drive daily untill i buy a cheapy for that.... or maybe a c class mercedes, but either way is it possible to have a fast daily driver?

Don't waste your money with 1/4 miles times. Driving in a straight line gets boring fast. Instead, shoot for autocross. Fun-er (IMO), more challenging and overall the box can be set up ideal for this vs. 1/4. Coilovers, new shocks, sway bars, frame braces, short shifter(manual), shift kit (auto), 7-9psi turbocharger and the parts to fully tune and run the turbo correctly is all you need to really put down some great times. 120-140whp is all you need. My mods to date has given me some really good times with my box.

Take care and good luck.

Cya

hotbox05

11-07-2005, 10:56 PM

siopaojoe

11-08-2005, 12:05 AM

autocross or road race?

have fun autocrossing at your local walmart parking lot

drag for life

hotbox05

11-08-2005, 01:21 AM

joe if you just care about drag why did you / do you have a fabulous kit?

killerxromances

11-08-2005, 01:34 AM

autocross or road race?

have fun autocrossing at your local walmart parking lot

drag for life

Road Track, not road race. Autocross at designed events, not in parking lots.

Drag for life? Thats up to you. Personally i have found im bored with 1/4. Theres only so much you can do until you have everything down to an art. Sure it takes some skill with launches and shifting, but thats about it.

Cya

KangaRod

11-08-2005, 07:00 AM

killerxromances

11-08-2005, 07:49 AM

what the hell did you spend $20,000 on and have no power mods, and now suddenly be totally concerned with living your life a quarter mile at a time (that saying never gets old)
I'll tell you what will make your car rediciously fast.
1) Ditch the $14000 stereo system
2) Ditch the $6000 chrome rims

If he really wants to make the box fast, this is how you make the box..FAST.

1. Remove all air condition parts.
2. Remove all panels, rear seats, replace front seats and bracets with light weight seats and bracket material.
3. Custom carbon fiber body kit and panels.
4. Replace all windows with JDM light weight windows. (forget the company who makes it. Someone on here had them but i forgot who it was)
5. Remove all stereo speakers, head unit.
6. P/E Supercharger or custom Turbo set up
7. Custom exhaust from header to tip using light weight materials. (most aftermarket set ups are light weight anyway)
8. Light weight wheels.
9. Remove spare tire, remove window wiper and remove window wiper motor.

You will be extremely light weight and have 130whp at least with a s/c and mods to go with it. With a turbo you could probably push around 145whp. You would weight im sure in the 1,500lbs range if not less.

Cya

ryansgts

11-09-2005, 01:05 AM

NAAA, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, JUST INVEST IN A 2ZZ MOTER AND TURBO IT, THEN GO OUT AND PLAY!!!
THATS WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW.

Prototype_xB

11-09-2005, 01:18 AM

DJHypnotic

11-09-2005, 02:14 AM

if you really want a scion, and are looking for speed, you will not find it in an xa or xb. I suggest getting a tC. The best scion of all.

whatmovesu

11-09-2005, 03:19 AM

NAAA, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, JUST INVEST IN A 2ZZ MOTER AND TURBO IT, THEN GO OUT AND PLAY!!!
THATS WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW.

you would be better off with a 1zz due to compression (had an matrix xrs) although lift is cool :lalala:

jsa3mm

11-09-2005, 03:21 AM

I suggest getting a tC. The best scion of all.
Hey brother...we are a family here. Don't go pushin' us around saying your car is better than the xA or the xB. Ever seen the movie "Twins"? Well, in the Scion family it's "Triplets". Don't forget that the two "weaker" family members will always gang up on the "stronger" one.

DJHypnotic

11-09-2005, 03:29 AM

KangaRod

11-09-2005, 06:02 AM

don't forget about the echo owners, we are kinda like xA/xB owners.

hotbox05

11-09-2005, 07:19 AM

killerxromances

11-09-2005, 08:19 PM

HuNTeRNIU

11-10-2005, 12:29 AM

killerxromances

11-10-2005, 01:29 AM

so say i buy a 2zz or a 1zz or whatever and turbo it... how many horsies we talking? will it fit in the xB? and will i need to swap the tranny as well?

P.S. If i wanted to hard core race 1/4 miles i would just buy a 97 viper or a 69 super bee or an LPE or something...

I more or less dont wanna be embarrased when the 21 yr old in the Integra pulls up next to me at a stoplight and revs his engine :^Þ because for me little things like that are fun. i may occasionally take it to the track and time trial and stuff but meh... also i wanna get one of those stickers for the rear window that says, "You just got beat by a toaster!"

Coming from an integra gs-r, and now driving an xb i would suggest that you keep the 1nz-fe. ZPI is going to be coming out with some stuff. Wait and see what happens before you blow your money on a new motor and tranny swap. Or, go ahead and get the power enterprise supercharger. Rebuild some of the bottom end issues, stage three clutch, maybe send your cam out to be regrind to a stage-two degree, and some other things. A box only would need around 130-140whp to not be embarassed by a typical integra. Most teggies have basic bolt ons with a piggy back. When i had mine, thats a different story. But your typical integra owner isn't going to have some outstanding motor build up and/or f/i. I'd say, a integra with 170whp, vs. a 140whp box. The box will be able to hang at least. Definitely enough to get some respect and props.

Do what you want, but if you really want to just smoke hondas go with a 1zz swap. From what i hear, you will need little to no modifications with engine mounts and tranny mounts. Turbo or super it, and with the right modifications to go with it my guess is you would be in the 180whp range. Easy. Hotbox was originally going to swap to a 1zz i believe. Talk to him about it.

Cya

Tsuihousha

11-10-2005, 05:21 AM

You wanna make a quick box that will embarass a lot of stuff? make it like this dood's i found....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/Crazyrussianxbdriver/nuttybB.jpg

that will embarass most people in looks too! :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

CKGuY914

11-10-2005, 05:37 AM

Tsuihousha

11-10-2005, 05:55 AM

well, you peek over the hood and you see a blitz compressor. Lots of wrapped plumbing also. That big thing staring you in the face on the bottem is a front mount intercooler. You do the rest of the math =) i just randomly found the car somewhere and thought i would post it up because you can see that much, other then that i know nothing about it because tehre was no description.