Well after 2 full days, I finally got these installed and they sound great. :relief: I had a Focal set up in my previous car and I think these sound much smoother. Sorry for the bad quality pics. They are from my cell phone.

-The speakers are Hertz Hi-Energy HSK163.
-I have 3 layers of Sound deadening in each door
-Crossovers are running underneath the passenger seat
-I am running an older V12 Alpine MRV-t420 2 channel amp
-I am running all high quality noise reducing wiring. (Stinger, Streetwires, Monster)
-No sub yet (thinking about stealthbox)

Let me know if you guys have any questions. I think I'm a guinea pig for a 3 way set up in the Scion TC2. :confused:

Andrew

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very nice....please list the size of the speakers. also have you also replaced the two rear speakers if so what size. any fitment issues?

The mid bass woofer is 6.5", midrange 3", and tweeter 1". I had to get the Scosche SAT69 speaker adapter in order to mount the 6.5" midbass, I used the stock midrange mounting bracket as it fits a 3" midrange perfectly. I used high strength epoxy glue to attach the midrange speaker to the bracket. The 1" tweeter was pressure fitted and only need a little bit of modification to the stock hole to have a tight snug fit.


I have not fiddled with the rear speakers. I may or may not do anything in the rear as I have a good front stage. I do know that the rear speakers are 5.25".

Any problems getting the 6x9s out? I hear tale they're riveted in place.

cool found the link sick set up i like....now i have a better idea of what your system looks and sounds like good work

Hertz Hi-Energy HSK163
http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/default_en.htm

Any problems getting the 6x9s out? I hear tale they're riveted in place.

They were riveted in place indeed and a pain to get out lol. I have some special prying tools for car interior panels and I used that to get underneath the stock plastic bracket. I basically snapped it out. The stock speakers will not be able to go back in, but the 6x9's were garbage anyways.

cool found the link sick set up i like....now i have a better idea of what your system looks and sounds like good work

Hertz Hi-Energy HSK163
http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/default_en.htm

Thanks. I did a few months of research and testing with the car's doors and figured that this would be the best set up for anyone who is interested in a 3-way. It is very time consuming though and I wanted to make sure I did everything right. This would be my 5th major sound system build, so I've had a lot of practice.

I was looking long and hard at FOCAL 165VR3 speakers...how do yours compare with the Focal 3-way? I still have not pulled the trigger on these yet...

http://www.focal-america.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/165VR3_spec.pdf

I was looking long and hard at FOCAL 165VR3 speakers...how do yours compare with the Focal 3-way? I still have not pulled the trigger on these yet...

http://www.focal-america.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/165VR3_spec.pdf

Those Focal's come with a 4" midrange speaker and would require a custom made bracket for proper mounting. I have owned the polyglass line from Focal and they are excellent speakers. (3 pairs) The tweeter in my opinion is a bit harsh, but you can always turn the tweeter level down.

I went with the Hertz because they have a very warm and natural sound to them and I knew installation would be easier with the midrange. These three-ways are about on par with Focal's higher Polykevlar line, which I have owned many pairs of those as well including a 3 way set up.

Either way you won't be disappointed.

http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/Doc/Hertz_HiEnergy_HSK163.pdf (http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/Doc/Hertz_HiEnergy_HSK163.pdf)

That looks like it would need to be amped to work properly/fully...I would like to utilize the built in amp of my SNS200 HU...I realize that I would need an amp for the sub, but there is an RCA out for that.

What speakers do you like if no amp would be used? I'd like a recommendation...

I have to say very very nice setup for the front, huge $$$ .
With the factory deck you are very very limited on sound and control of the sound, you could add a bit 1 or MS-8 or others to play with sound to get what YOU like, but you could of spent that on a really good head unit with a ton more features.

We have played with the front set up and I have found some home speakers that sound as nice or better than some of the car audio speakers on the market.
We are using Dayton RS225-4 8" in the lower 6x9 cutout with the rest of the grill holes drill out for sound. Dayton 4" RS100-4 in the factory mount, both with foam sealant between door panel and speaker to stop unwanted stray waves between each. Tweeters we are using SEAS PRESTIGE 27TAFNC/D04 in the factory tweeter location.
Kenwood DNX 9960 deck,front out to Audio control EQT's then to old school PPI Ax606.2 with low pass set to band pass 43hz to 155hz for the 8", and the 4" set high pass 94 Hz up and tweeter set high pass 5.11khz.
Kenwood sub out is set at 50 hz rev poll in to a old school PPI A600. in to 2 Memphis 15-MR10D4 in rear side fibreglass enclosures.
With the 2 8" in the doors the 10 in the rear are really not needed for most music. If your into some rap or other stuff like that then you want it.
Thats just 1 way to get some sound thats a hell of alot better than stock.

Now THAT is the kind on info I was looking for...

Did you just go for the Dayton speakers because you've used them before or did you actually install other speakers in the tC?

Yea the factory head unit has very limited capabilities. I actually ran my alpine HU for a few weeks and that already made a huge difference in sound. Upgrading the source unit is the most important part of upgrading your sound as it is the heart of the entire system. A good HU with good tuning and sound processing is definitely a must when you start building a sound system.

Here is a little video I have of the sound. The video quality is decent, but demonstrates how full the mids and high's are and how there is great imaging and presence.
Can't beat Madonna and her well recorded tracks. This was off of an ipod in Lossless format.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXOJCblDX1s&feature=player_profilepage

I have to say very very nice setup for the front, huge $$$ .
With the factory deck you are very very limited on sound and control of the sound, you could add a bit 1 or MS-8 or others to play with sound to get what YOU like, but you could of spent that on a really good head unit with a ton more features.

We have played with the front set up and I have found some home speakers that sound as nice or better than some of the car audio speakers on the market.
We are using Dayton RS225-4 8" in the lower 6x9 cutout with the rest of the grill holes drill out for sound. Dayton 4" RS100-4 in the factory mount, both with foam sealant between door panel and speaker to stop unwanted stray waves between each. Tweeters we are using SEAS PRESTIGE 27TAFNC/D04 in the factory tweeter location.
Kenwood DNX 9960 deck,front out to Audio control EQT's then to old school PPI Ax606.2 with low pass set to band pass 43hz to 155hz for the 8", and the 4" set high pass 94 Hz up and tweeter set high pass 5.11khz.
Kenwood sub out is set at 50 hz rev poll in to a old school PPI A600. in to 2 Memphis 15-MR10D4 in rear side fibreglass enclosures.
With the 2 8" in the doors the 10 in the rear are really not needed for most music. If your into some rap or other stuff like that then you want it.
Thats just 1 way to get some sound thats a hell of alot better than stock.

I spent a bit of money, but it was definitely worth it. Lol

Damn, that's a nice set up you got in that car. Do you have any pictures to share?

I spent a bit of money, but it was definitely worth it. Lol

Damn, that's a nice set up you got in that car. Do you have any pictures to share?
We did have a whole power point set up for showing the car at IASCA but had our laptop taken at a show…….
Trying to find the SD card with them on but think my oldest son may have used it.
All i can say is you CAN make this car sound REALLY sweet if you take your time in the set up. throwing huge $$$$$ at the car with out a plan is a wast and have seen it time and time again in the sound off world.

Now THAT is the kind on info I was looking for...

Did you just go for the Dayton speakers because you've used them before or did you actually install other speakers in the tC?

The Daytons we have used for a few years in towers we have built.
They are not B&W or ZR lab's but for the money i think that they can't be beat.
We started using them in cars on a whim and to prove a point to some people that huge $$$$$ are not needed to have a very sweet and real reproduction of music in a car.
alpinedb don't take me wrong your setup is top notch and would to see it come down the judging lanes and to hear it.
Car audio is what you the driver wants and what you can afford on it.

The Daytons we have used for a few years in towers we have built.
They are not B&W or ZR lab's but for the money i think that they can't be beat.
We started using them in cars on a whim and to prove a point to some people that huge $$$$$ are not needed to have a very sweet and real reproduction of music in a car.
alpinedb don't take me wrong your setup is top notch and would to see it come down the judging lanes and to hear it.
Car audio is what you the driver wants and what you can afford on it.

I definitely agree with you on that. I could have spent more on drivers, but I wanted to make sure I invested in good installation equipment and proper installation planning.

I drive my local shop crazy as I always visit and research first and don't buy unless I know I'm making a good investment into the product. For the money, Hertz has good value and I'm very impressed as this is my first experience with Hertz Drivers.

I'm still researching on a sub set up. Do you have any SQ suggestions with good value?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj3I141JYvc

Again, vid quality sucks, but you can tell the sound fills the car. Mids and highs are very clear even at high volumes.

I definitely agree with you on that. I could have spent more on drivers, but I wanted to make sure I invested in good installation equipment and proper installation planning.

I drive my local shop crazy as I always visit and research first and don't buy unless I know I'm making a good investment into the product. For the money, Hertz has good value and I'm very impressed as this is my first experience with Hertz Drivers.

I'm still researching on a sub set up. Do you have any SQ suggestions with good value?

Well its refreshing to hear that you didn't just throw money at them and said i want sound…
As far as subs… thats a tricky one depending on YOU and what you like your music to sound like. SQ for me is not what i keep the car set to for everyday driving, radio,sat, and most mp3 are very pore in quality and you will need to adjust for that.
Question 1 is how big a box you are willing to put in your car?
Q 2 is power, you don't need 1xxxx watts of power for every day driving ?
Q 3 range that the subs need to cover ?
Me i like the Boston SPG 555, Memphis Mclass 15-MR10D4, Stereo Integrity SI BM mkIII. I know the Boston's are $$$$ but take a listen to them. The Stereo integrity i really like but are hard/next to impossible to get in Canada.
Memphis nice sound and smallish box.
We went thin line sub's because we just don't need SPL out of them just lower end fill when some of the dance or rap that gets played from time to time.
Hope this helps.
If not shoot me a PM and i will see if i can help.

Hmm I definitely will take a look into Bostons and Stereo Integrity. Thanks for the suggestions!

I only listen to CD's and Lossless on my ipod. That's it. I cannot stand the sound on the radio or MP3's. I've gotten very picky as I played piano for 12 years and developed a trained ear. Lol.

I'm not looking for anything with massive SPL. I'm just looking for something to blend well with the front stage and cover the low end with good fidelity.

If you want to add subs that don't need that much power, or space, and have excellent clarity, the alpine 8" Type R's that came out this year are hard to beat. I'm using one in my truck right now on a very cheap amp, and it is very good. They don't have a vented pole on the basket, so you can bottom them out in an enclosure. They only need a .30 gross cu. ft. sealed enclosure as well. I'm likely to have 4 of them in my car when things are all sorted out.

I was considering the 8" type R actually. So it's good to hear they sound great. Thanks.

The Alpine 8" if i remember them right might get a little lost in your set up depending on the x overs you have now.
Great sub but if you have a trained ear 10" or 12" for stand up bass or a kick drum is needed from the rear of the car for you to really get what to hear.
Thats why we shoe horned 8" in the doors and are just loving it. the 95% up front base with the 10" in the rear for low fill is so nice.

The Alpine 8" if i remember them right might get a little lost in your set up depending on the x overs you have now.
Great sub but if you have a trained ear 10" or 12" for stand up bass or a kick drum is needed from the rear of the car for you to really get what to hear.
Thats why we shoe horned 8" in the doors and are just loving it. the 95% up front base with the 10" in the rear for low fill is so nice.

Hmmm Very good point. I do have a trained ear and that's is one factor holding me back from getting an 8". I have been looking at Boston 10" G3 or G5 subs. I'm really liking the G5 and can pick one up at my local audio shop even though it's been discontinued.

alpinedb i just bought my tc2g and was thinking about upgrading the speakers. I have the scion nav system in mine so i am not going to upgrade the HU, i hope this one will be fine. How are the hertz you have? Did the adapter for the 6.5" work well?
Also if it is not to much trouble how did you get your door panels off and was it a pain? Sorry for all the questions.

Also do you think there is enough room to put a 4inch speaker in the 3.5 slot with just amking an adapter?

Russell, Sorry for the long reply. I've been off the forums for a couple of days. I considered the focal 3 way set up with the 4 inch, but I passed cause the 3 inch stock adapter fits the hertz 3" midrange perfectly. I mounted the midrange with high strength epoxy glue. The 6.5" adapter is a perfect fit, but you will need a nut and bolt to hold it up. The stock 6x9 is mounted with a pain in the ___ bolt that you can't unscrew. I ended up just snapping it out by brute force. Lol. The door panels are very easy to get off. There are three screws and then it snaps right off. One is located behind the door handle. You snap out the plastic cover. Two other screws are behind the silver trim on the door handle. You need to snap that out, but be careful. I had trim/panel removing tools for this so that I wouldn't scratch or damage my interior.

Nice. I'm running Hertz ML28 tweets in my truck with some (for now) alpine spx pro mids. The tweets are remarkable imo. I was waiting for an audio build on the TC to pop up.

You have 12 wires in total going from the doors to underneath the seat where the crossovers are located?

alpinedb, if you don't mind me asking, how did you fit the single din hu? I've been wanting to go with an aftermarket hu but haven't seen any adapters to fit a single din.

You have 12 wires in total going from the doors to underneath the seat where the crossovers are located?

I have 2 pairs from the amp on the backseat to the crossovers underneath the passenger seat, I have 3 pairs running from one crossover underneath the carpet through the doors. I have another 3 pairs running from the other crossover, underneath the carpet through to the other door. So I have 8 pairs in total. There's input, woofer, mid and tweeter = 4 and just multiply that by 2. Keep in mind this is just speaker wires and not the RCA cable, power, ground, and remote.

alpinedb, if you don't mind me asking, how did you fit the single din hu? I've been wanting to go with an aftermarket hu but haven't seen any adapters to fit a single din.

Metra just came out with a single DIN modified kit for all Scions. It comes with an extra bracket that is specifically for the TC2. I had to special order it so check out your local shop who carries Metra. Give me a sec to find the dash kit model #.

Okay the model number is 99-8230

Looking good man

Thanks!

How did you get to the outside of the door to put the wire from the dash to the inside of the door for the speakers? On some cars you'd have to take off the fender inorder to do this. Did you have to do that?

alpinedb, if you don't mind me asking, how did you fit the single din hu? I've been wanting to go with an aftermarket hu but haven't seen any adapters to fit a single din.

I hear tale that single din kits for the xB will fit the tC2 perfectly.

EDIT: Yep, here it is. 2008 xB single din kit will fit tC2.
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3869148&postcount=7

How did you get to the outside of the door to put the wire from the dash to the inside of the door for the speakers? On some cars you'd have to take off the fender inorder to do this. Did you have to do that?

I did not have to do that and wires were not run from behind the dash. They were run from the crossovers which are located underneath the passenger seat. I went through the rubber grommet from the chassis of the car to the door. It was a pain and probably one of the most time consuming parts of the install aside from the sound deadening.

I wish you took a pic of this rubber grommet from the chassic of the car to the door.

aww man. now someone else has my same speaker setup, lol

sound great though

Anyone know of a box, other than the JL one, that is on the side and out of the way or down by the spare? I was to add some bass to my ride but dont want to take up the trunk space. Also I added the Focal A 165 3 way component system to my doors and they sound great, powered by Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4. Great tiny amp that powers everything!

Anyone know of a box, other than the JL one, that is on the side and out of the way or down by the spare? I was to add some bass to my ride but dont want to take up the trunk space. Also I added the Focal A 165 3 way component system to my doors and they sound great, powered by Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4. Great tiny amp that powers everything!


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This member has been on her for some time and haven't heard anything bad so you could hit him up.

I dont think he is making boxes anymore. His boxes looked amazing though.

What size bolt and nuts did you use?

how does the 3" speaker sound by itself?

Well after 2 full days, I finally got these installed and they sound great. :relief: I had a Focal set up in my previous car and I think these sound much smoother. Sorry for the bad quality pics. They are from my cell phone .

-The speakers are Hertz Hi-Energy HSK163.
-I have 3 layers of Sound deadening in each door
-Crossovers are running underneath the passenger seat
-I am running an older V12 Alpine MRV-t420 2 channel amp
-I am running all high quality noise reducing wiring. (Stinger, Streetwires, Monster)
-No sub yet (thinking about stealthbox)

Let me know if you guys have any questions. I think I'm a guinea pig for a 3 way set up in the Scion TC2. :confused:

Andrew

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actually I was the first for the three way setup! Lol just never posted anything in way being on my build thread but I'm gonna start it soon! I did cdt 3 way comps 1in tweeter 4in mid 6.5 low crossover on the door all dynamatted..... I promise to post my build! Lol

How are you fitting the 4" inplace of the 3.5" midrange? There is virtually no space to put anything in its place with a large magnet. The 3.5" has a tiny magnet suited for the space it's in.

How was the fit for the Scosche SAT69?

In the door panel it fits perfect. You have to drill out the rivets for the existing 6x9 speaker mounts. Once that's out you can fit the SAT69 inplace, however you'll need to get plumers foam tape or some sound damening tape of some sort so you can put around the edges of the large hole so the SAT69 doesn't vibrate against the metal. I used the $4 plummers foam tape at home depot which you can also get at Lowes. It's good enough for the job and quite inexpensive.