I been looking around and i would like to get some feedback to see what combo i should go with.
I looking to get headers, axle back, and CAI intake.
Need some help choosing dough.

dc header/injen short ram/ any axle back you choose



i have the greddy evo2 but i got a sweet deal so you might go with something cheaper

Strup header/exhaust combo and a K&N Typhoon.

Ok, now for a real question:

>Does it make a difference? Is every aftermarket I/H/E combo basically going to give you the same increases where you want them? If so, aren't you pretty much left choosing based upon brand loyalty and/or looks?

Bring on the science.

No aftermarket IHE combo is going to give you a dramatic power increase, it's 10% performance, 90% placebo.

Don't believe me? Just look at dyno numbers.

I don't mean look at the companies estimates for each part and add them all together! That's not how it works people!

On an xb/xa you'd be LUCKY to get 10 more horsepower at high RPM from all of that. It's more for exhaust note and stroking the owners ego while he/she imagines their car is SOOO much faster than before. That is not the reality.

I'd suggest a CAI and leave it at that. Exhaust systems and headers do not usually deliver much power on engines this small. Look for hard numbers, don't lie to yourself and waste your money man.

A CAI will give you almost enough extra power to justify its price, if you can call $2 or 300 for 4-6 horsepower justified.

Oh, and short rams are crap. Look at a picture of one under the hood. The stock intake pulls COLD air from behind a nice low pressure area behind the bumper. Short rams pull boiling hot air from RIGHT above the f*cking engine block. :doh: I'd be amazed if they increase power at all. They probably decrease it on a hot day. :rofl:

the DC header pulls alot harder at about 4200 to redline, and my greddy axleback gave me a little boost in the midrange, my injen short ram helped the most i think though.

I say at the moment the best to go with are weaponr intake, strup header, and creative compact complete exhaust.

stay away from weapon r anything...
their intake for the xB looks so half-assed it's not even funny.

Rion - have you seen the placement of the Injen "short ram?" It sits right in the fender...

Intake: Injen Short Ram
Headers: Strup
Exhaust: Invidia g300


I got #3; waiting for 1 and 2 to be in stock.

K&N Typhoon. They have been around for a long time. Long before anybody heard of a Scion, or a Tuner.

dc header/injen short ram/ any axle back you choose

i got dc header and trd muffler gonna get the injen S.R.I

i can already feel the power at higher rpm well by the seat of my pants feel that is

DC headers, MagnaFlow CatBack and Injen Cold Air Intake

There is not going to be a consensus on this. Give it up.

Thanks for the help im going to look into this and make a choice

Headers: Strup
Axle back: Strup or Injen, or even Magnaflow catback
CAI intake: Injen short ram.

I've got the Injen CAI and the MagnaFlow axleback for auto by precisionmuffler.com. The magnaflow's got a nice low note and fills the exhaust cutout nicely, can't say that I noticed any power differences. The Injen CAI definitely adds responsiveness at low RPMs and feels good at speed. As for the header, it seems to be the piece that dynos with the most improvement, so I'm thinking about that one now. That Strup Header looks sweet but on the pricey side...

Magnaflow Dual cat back :)
Short ram Injen
Strup Header

for me i like the design of the aftermarket xb only AEM CAI...
Others swear by injen (xB) short ram (would be my other choice and given that its cheaper...)

K&N is all good rep... but no real evidence of gains or benefits over the two up top..

I'd say those are best for xB intakes...

I'm still undecided on headers... I'm waiting for better/cheaper options lol...
When are 4-2-1s coming out? ever?

and still undecided on exhaust... currently deciding between borla, magnaflow.. or tanabe.. i have diff reasons for wanting each...

Strup stuff is new to me .. i'll probably take a look before purchasing since they seem to have some support.. header might be nice...

i dont know if anyone said yet, but for the exhaust, ive got a JIC magic bullet; and it's great... on top of that, im acutally getting better gas mileage.

ill be running another tank of the same gas w/ the silencer out to see if it's consistent

JIC all the way: )

~tesh

DON'T GET BORLA EXHAUST!!!

DON'T GET BORLA EXHAUST!!!

y not?

DON'T GET BORLA EXHAUST!!!

y not?
Yeah, do tell....

DON'T GET BORLA EXHAUST!!!

y not?

Once again... What's the scoop on the Borla? :nails:

injen short ram intake 158.95 @ ptuning.com
dc header 239.23 @ optionwagon.com
*blitz nurspec 323.01 @ optionwagon*


the exhaust is your choice, but id go with a cat back over an axle...
greddy evo2 is also a good exhaust

Since when has strup made a header? and how much is it?

It's $320 or so, but there's a rebate going on right now... :clap: check out partshippers.com

Since when has strup made a header? and how much is it?

Here's a sponsored sale:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51289

And here's a link to to the Strup website where you can read about it:
http://www.strup.us/

ha ha ha that is overpriced as all hell.

you forgot the most important thing perrin crank pulley mine is on order will let you know how it is , injen short ram, custom axle back

ha ha ha that is overpriced as all hell.

dam man, everything we show you is always over priced. :P

ha ha ha that is overpriced as all hell.

dam man, everything we show you is always over priced. :PThis is true , lol , I would rather buy the dc sport or megan racing is all , you can get the dc for cheaper sometimes and it's dc , lol.

Whats the best combo for a little power gain, but not too much exhaust note?

exhaust note is all dependant upon style of muffler , piping size , and use of resonator.

http://www.strup.us/strupweb6_009.htm

uhh...why are the rear wheels raised off the ground in this video clip when all scions are front wheel drive? :rofl:
is it just me, or does that seem just a tad overly cautious?

ha ha ha that is overpriced as all hell.

dam man, everything we show you is always over priced. :PThis is true , lol , I would rather buy the dc sport or megan racing is all , you can get the dc for cheaper sometimes and it's dc , lol.

Darren,

Who do you think the "D" in DC is? S t r u p

How does D = Strup?

I have Strup Header and Exhaust, Injen Short Ram Intake. It is an awesome combo great sound.
If you are in the So. Cal area we sell Strup Headers for 365 installed we also carry the exhaust for 305. We also ship. Exhaust installed free if purchased together.

How does D = Strup?

I think he meant "C"
for Charlie Westrup
ex-GM of DC Sports

read Lip's posts in sponsored sales

How does D = Strup?

I think he meant "C"
for Charlie Westrup
ex-GM of DC Sports

read Lip's posts in sponsored sales

Yeah, that's it. I hate typing w/ only one hand. Thanks for making the correction.

How does D = Strup?

I think he meant "C"
for Charlie Westrup
ex-GM of DC Sports

read Lip's posts in sponsored sales

Yeah, that's it. I hate typing w/ only one hand. Thanks for making the correction.
Not to be a jerk or anything, but I think both of you guys may be wrong...

"In 1987, American Honda commissioned fabrication experts (and twin brothers) Darrell and Darrick Contreras to create a race header for a 1988 Honda CRX racecar."

That's a quote from the DC Sports story on DC Sports' website:
http://www.dcsports.com/about_dc.asp

Just thought I'd clarify :)

That does make more sense since Charlie is my p.o.c. for my sponsorship.

Ok, I stand corrected then. I was told otherwise, obviously by someone who wasn't as informed. Sorry all.

AEM CAI
DC Header
DC cat-back

DON'T GET BORLA EXHAUST!!!

y not?

Once again... What's the scoop on the Borla? :nails:
I am still curious to know what's the deal with the Borla?

Headers: Strup
Axle back: Strup or Injen, or even Magnaflow catback
CAI intake: Injen short ram.


Agreed. Axle back of course i say strup to! sound and quality

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55794&highlight=

http://www.strup.us/strupweb6_009.htm

uhh...why are the rear wheels raised off the ground in this video clip when all scions are front wheel drive? :rofl:
is it just me, or does that seem just a tad overly cautious?

its my scion and i literally put the exhaust on and shot the clip. I did a before and after

I think i know all about fwd's

my old car...look...the rear is DOWN

http://www.todaracing.com/topics/project_cars/integra_drag.html

whats the range you could expect if you got all three of these?

I know that the Precisionmuffler.com Axle back is : $270.00

http://www.precisionmuffler.com/2c4b1450.jpg

For a deep tone and perfect fit, you can't go wrong with the PrecisionMuffler.com Axle back
:D

ha ha ha that is overpriced as all hell.

dam man, everything we show you is always over priced. :PThis is true , lol , I would rather buy the dc sport or megan racing is all , you can get the dc for cheaper sometimes and it's dc , lol.

Darren,

Who do you think the "D" in DC is? S t r u pOh yeah I know but the strup is more expensive and a lesser brand even if it's by the same designer/engineer.

I'm a firm believer in "you get what you pay for". The strup header and exhaust are incredible. Awesome build quality and perfect fit.

[/quote]Oh yeah I know but the strup is more expensive and a lesser brand even if it's by the same designer/engineer.[/quote]



you just made a funny.

Strup a lesser brand then DC? Hardly. would you like to see photos of my old dc header which split at the welds (common on honda applicatons)? did you know that www.hytechexhaust.com had DC halt production on their DC headers for honda bseries manifolds at one point for copywrite infringement?

When you see the strup piece...then claim its a lower quality design. Problem is...when you see it..you can't say that.

fyi...tommorow i'm bringing back the 30dollar rebate on the strup pieces. Ihave to...i'm getting flooded with emails after word of mouth due to their quality product. Seems everyone is getting their tax checks because they want the rebate to continue.

whats an accusation without a photo

quality control. Design is one thing...quality control is another.

on the manifold side...right side. look at the black area at the merger. the carbon. thats where its blowing through.

http://img120.echo.cx/img120/8559/dcsplit3ku.jpg

I didnt say the piece was of lower quality I just stated that the name brand is lesser known , sorry if I didnt make thjat clear. I dislike all mild steel headers cuz they often times crack.

any decent p[roduct should fit well. the quality is debateable. but I know whether it's quality or not how many people like to pay 320 for a piece that makes so and so hp when a very close to identical product made by another manufacturer also with good fit and finish gives you the same hp but for half the price?

And not to hate but lip arent you a sponsor selling the strup pieces? I have to say that your opinion is biased towards other companies. I'm not sponsored or selling any of these products I've seen the dc , megan racing and alphaworks header and imo the megan is the best for the money . and I know that the strup is the same design , maybe better quality but same design as the dc so.... i'll take the chance and save a buttload. even if I had LOTS of money i go for best deal as far as hp per dollar.

sorry if i'm coming off as an arse but i'm not dogging the strup product or you lip. I'm just voicing my money to power ratio ideas .

i sell what i would personally use. yes

i know with the megan, you had to change some bolts or something....with the strup, is it the same as the DC, in that it uses factory bolts and gasket?

Yes.

i know with the megan, you had to change some bolts or something....with the strup, is it the same as the DC, in that it uses factory bolts and gasket?i only needed new nuts to use because the lower junction on the early megan pieces were not tapped but perfectly clean holes they are now tapped holes , and 1.20 or so in hardware is worth the 100+ dollar savings in price.

Strup header/exhaust combo and a K&N Typhoon.

yes...stick with strup :bow: :bow: :bow:

here's another quick question....which is lighter? stainless steel or the ceramic coated? might be a retarted question....but i really don't know. i have the DC ceramic coated header on my xA, and i know that the exhaust manifold was lighter than the DC header. was just wondering. oh, and the other thing is that it seems i can get a DC header for almost 90 dollars cheaper than the strup. come on man, i need to be talked into this :)

and 1.20 or so in hardware is worth the 100+ dollar savings in price.

What the heck? No it isn't, thats a waste of my time to go to the hardware store and buy the right parts and I charge 75 and hour. So with in one hour of my time that 75 bucks. Forget that, I will go with the DC over all. I don;t think wieght is a big issuse here, since we are not doing any racing with this thing. :P

I'll be swapping out my DC Header for a Strup soon enuff. Gotta represent! Just like Jeff!

and 1.20 or so in hardware is worth the 100+ dollar savings in price.

What the heck? No it isn't, thats a waste of my time to go to the hardware store and buy the right parts and I charge 75 and hour. So with in one hour of my time that 75 bucks. Forget that, I will go with the DC over all. I don;t think wieght is a big issuse here, since we are not doing any racing with this thing. :Peh the hardware store is 2 minutes from my house. and I only charge 35 an hour , lol.

I'll be swapping out my DC Header for a Strup soon enuff. Gotta represent! Just like Jeff!

You won't regret it Brad.

here's another quick question....which is lighter? stainless steel or the ceramic coated? might be a retarted question....but i really don't know. i have the DC ceramic coated header on my xA, and i know that the exhaust manifold was lighter than the DC header. was just wondering. oh, and the other thing is that it seems i can get a DC header for almost 90 dollars cheaper than the strup. come on man, i need to be talked into this :)

?? thanks guys :) haha

Damnit, I just wanna know whats wrong with the Borla Exhaust.
Aren't they a good company?

Strup gets my vote! :P I love their headers and exhaust ... Looks awsome, performs great and is not obnoxiously loud! AND They are VERY reasonably priced!
With DC you are mainly paying for the name ... Thats whats so good about Strup, its a quality product with awsome performance and killer looks and you don't have to pay for the name ...

For intake I would go with either the Injen or K&N ...

i've only done a bit of research so far, but it seems i can get the DC for cheaper than the strup.....sorry don't know exacts, but i think i found the DC ceramic for about 240 or so, and the strup piece for around 300. which is why i asked the above question. i'm trying to justify paying more for the strup piece.....

only diff is stainless steel which is better but 60.00 better? well between 240 and 300 i'd spend the extra 60. but you can get the same thing by like 5 other brands in stainless steel for ALOT cheaper. say what people will but the megan is stainless and virtually the same in every way with no fitment problems at all and cost me about 130 shipped.

Megan are all cheap knock offs ... My firend has the Megan exhust on his Mazda 3 and it fits like crap ... its dosen't line up with the hole in the bumper and sticks out way too far ... He sister got the Megan exhaust for here V6 Accord and she has the same problems ... it fits like crap ... Why do you think it cost 130 for their headers ... They are cheap crap ... you get what you pay for ... You willl never have fitment problems with HKS or Apex-i or Blitz ... you get what you pay for ... The Strup stuff fits like a glove ... Perfect fit with not mods ... Bolt up and go!

The strup headers look awsome and also perform awsome ... You will get 100 different opions on which header to get ... I have the Strup and from expierence I can tell you that the Strup headers are made EXTREMLY well and look amazing. I know you will not be unhappy with the Strup headers!

i was talking megan header. i think u will support any overpriced exact same crap that strup sells so i'm done. and hgks and blitz is way better than strup so theyre worth the price . nm i'm done. oh and if u didnt see what i just posted i gave the better buy to the strup over the dc. so be happy.

Personally, I don't support stuff I don't believe in. I just sent back everything a sponsor sent me and cancelled their sponsorship because I didn't like the quality of their stuff.
But, I will support Strup because I believe in their product.

And Im telling you that the Megan stuff is crap ... I just gave 2 examples where the Megan product does not fit right and im sure if I look and ask around I can find more ... I have never heard from anyone on here that the Strup headers or exhaust do not fit ... All the Strup products fit your car perfect ... Just bot it on ... Why would you buy a product that needs to be adjusted or modded to fit? You get what you pay for ... Megan is cheap becasue they don't always fit right and the quality sucks ... Strup fits perfect and has amazing quality ... Id rather spend more money on something that I know is gonna fit and I know is gonna last!

i was talking megan header. i think u will support any overpriced exact same crap that strup sells so i'm done. and hgks and blitz is way better than strup so theyre worth the price . nm i'm done. oh and if u didnt see what i just posted i gave the better buy to the strup over the dc. so be happy.


i don't support over priced junk. The strup pieces are quality. regarding Blitz and HKS...name brand. If anything alot of thier stuff is just OK. Whoever makes their coilovers did a decent job but to say they are the shiznit is a misconception. There are very few companies out there that can put together a line of products. It gets to the point they are just having stuff made to "carry" more in their line. They do a good job with quality control but you can't group all of thier stuff as the best because they are not. Strup sells a few things... headers and exhausts. They don't make blowoff valves waistgates, tower bars, coilovers just to say they make it all. Don't believe in one company...its a big mistake.

There is no difference in what i just wrote then someone who buys all Sony or Pioneer etc. Yeah...they look nice together and maybe their CD player or their DVD player is bad ___...but unless you pick and choose piece by piece..your buying one good thing and getting just ok stuff with that one good piece.

Hands down the strup stuff tops anything out there right now for what your buying and the price your paying. No question. I specifically carry the strup, gtspec braces and progress auto stuff for a reason...great bang for bucks yet quality. The new stuff i'm going to carry is going to follow that same direction...not one brand shopping.

I know for a fact Blitz sound like crap. We had a sound off this weekend between Blitz and Strup. It was laughable, the Blitz sounds like a fartcan.

all i'm going to say is i'm sorry if i've come off as a jerk but i'm just giving my honest opinion.

we are all sorta friends...no hard feelings on either side

Word!

I'm just jealous cause I can't touch hotbo05's post count.:D

it's cuz i havenmt been able to get a job in 5 months even with 315 or 325 applications out. it sucks. but at least i can boast about my high post count , lol not. glad ya'll don't hate me.

We could never hate you, you do contribute a lot. You're just opinionated like me.:D

sorry guys, kinda ignorant.....i know stainless steel is better for looks, but i read somewhere that the ceramic was lighter and better for heat.....but i don't remember anything specific....so i was hoping you guys could help me out with that one :) thanks.

Stainless steel is denser which = heavier, however, stainless steel is stronger as well so you can use thinner material which in the long run could wiegh less.


Also stainless steel holds in heat better than mild steel which is great when it comes to exhaust because the hotter the fumes inside the tube the faster they flow = higher hp outputs

1008 carbon steel has a density of .284 lbs/cubic inch where as 304 stainless is .285, so their weights are the same for the same size and gauge of tubing.

Stainless is simply a better insulator

quoted from a high end header builder

I've got a few questions about ceramic headers vs. stainless steel headers...maybe someone could answer...

Ceramic headers reduce under-hood temperatures, they even stay cool to the touch. With all of the exhaust heat not radiating out of the header, is the exhaust gas temperature significantly higher?

If so, will it damage the catalytic converter and/or O2 sensors?

If you go w/ Ssteel headers and use thermal wrap on them, do you run into the same thing?

don't be fooled by underhood temps. are they higher...oh so slightly!!

if i can find it i can also prove to you that cold air intakes are a waste of money. once your moving air is circulating in the engine bay. We used a thermometer to see the differences and at a stand still...yes the short ram intake is sucking hotter air..once its moving...nahhhhhh. I've also dynoed cold air and short ram intakes on a high hp normaly aspirated honda motor. we had a short ram intake on it and dyno'd. pulled it off and put on an AEM. the AEM made 15hp more. cool right? it was a crock. it made 15hp for a couple hundred rpms due to resination. right after that the dyno plot layed right on top of the short ram intake.


also...let me tell you how you clean an O2 sensor. pull it off and take a hand torch to the element on the end to burn off the carbon desposits. Carbon fouls them out...they rarely go bad. so heat isn't goint to harm your O2 sensor. Cat converters. unless your creating insane amounts of heat from say a 500whp turbo motor...your cat will be fine.

best thing you can have is... a coated Stainless header. it cuts out the underhood temps a TICK and keeps the heat within the manifold even more so.

Okay, to go back to original post concept..

AEM CAI/DC sport header/JIC spartan exhaust.

Thats what im running and i honestly believe its the best set up. Everyone is going to argue and make a point as far as what is best to go with. But IMO, the set up i have works well together. Do what you want as far as what companies you go with, do shopping and see what you would like to spend for what. But i would recommend spending a few more bucks and getting a higher quality product, especially if yours is a daily driver.

Good luck!

thats awesome your happy with it. i just thought i would share some knowledge. back to my hole.


just posting a silly dynochart.

would love to have this 1.8 liter in my scion. i bet it would break apart


http://www.gbrtuning.com/ralphy_dyno.jpg

i need someone in the area of

Santa Ana,
Ontario,CA

to pm me

you'll be happy you did

I have:
-DC Sports Header
-Injen SR
-Thermal Cat-back

Hey everyone i just bought and installed the Megan Racing header off ebay, i love it alot of top end power, anyone having problems with theirs? anybody know what the gains are on this, i can't find info anywhere. I have the Megan header and the manual magnaflow axelback from precisionmuffler.com. i love the axle back but im thinking of getting rid of the resonator and putting a straight through pipe in its place. any comments or suggestions?

the resonator is the only thing that is holding any backpressure on that system probably, and if you do chose to remove it, be prepared for a really loud raspy exhaust sound at every rpm. my guess is you would end up putting the resonator back in because its going to drone at any speed- making cruising less than comfortable... unless thats what youre looking for! also you will probably notice a drop in low end power with minimal top end gain.

-jon

Hey everyone i just bought and installed the Megan Racing header off ebay, i love it alot of top end power, anyone having problems with theirs? anybody know what the gains are on this, i can't find info anywhere. I have the Megan header and the manual magnaflow axelback from precisionmuffler.com. i love the axle back but im thinking of getting rid of the resonator and putting a straight through pipe in its place. any comments or suggestions? dont remove it. just swap in a high flowing resonator. unless of course you like a disgusting exhaust note.

Hey everyone i just bought and installed the Megan Racing header off ebay, i love it alot of top end power, anyone having problems with theirs? anybody know what the gains are on this, i can't find info anywhere. I have the Megan header and the manual magnaflow axelback from precisionmuffler.com. i love the axle back but im thinking of getting rid of the resonator and putting a straight through pipe in its place. any comments or suggestions?


oooo,don't recomend that one. Its gonna be really loud at freeway speeds and well, you might get that rice rocket note.

I still say my set up works best...Of course this is only my opinion...

AEM CAI/DC Sport header/Jic Spartan DE-Type 1 Exhaust.

Cya

how do these mods, IHE, effect gas mileage or do they at all?

Generally they will make it better, if you can keep your foot off the gas. :D

how do these mods, IHE, effect gas mileage or do they at all?

Honestly, its hard to keep a balance between practical use mods and power mods. I/H/E i've never heard of actually helping MPG on a daily driven basis. If you shifted at extremely low rpms i'm sure it would increase more than 1-2 miles per gallon. Otherwise, don't expect it to increase but maybe 1-2 miles. I on the other hand, have seen no change in my mpg. No more, or less than what i was getting prior to installing... I might add i've had this exact set up for months now.

Hope that information helps.

Cya

Injen RD2105P $217.00
DC Sport Header $212.00
Greddy Evo 2 axle back $269.00


Yea i'm a bargin shopper.... :)

Intake: Injen Short Ram
Headers: Strup
Exhaust: Invidia g300


I got #3; waiting for 1 and 2 to be in stock.

I agree with him, this pretty much the same setup i have and the car feels good. Its breathing alot better and i definately enjoy the sound.

i use Strup header
Strup exhaust
injen short intake...soon to switch to a strup intake.