1.7" front drop
1.97" rear drop?
What's up with that? Why is the rear dropped lower then the front? That can't look right. Has anyone gotten these yet?
I want to get the Hotchkis front and rear sways, and at HopUp Racing (http://www.hopupracing.com/suspension69.html) you can get the set and it's only like another $80 for the springs, but I'm worried about how it would look with the rear being more of a drop then the front.
I already have the TRD springs, and I love the back, but I want the front just a tad bit lower. Do you guys think it would be a bad idea to keep the TRD springs in the back and the Hotchkis springs in the front with the Hotchkis front and rear sways? I imagine it can't be a good idea, but I want your opinions.
Wide_tC
03-23-2005, 11:29 PM
The rear is very high. We did it to level out the car.
sheep
03-23-2005, 11:44 PM
That is all nice and everything but I know quite a few people that like the backend higher than the front.
nwscionman
03-23-2005, 11:52 PM
like Starski and Hutch...
tckurt
03-24-2005, 12:20 AM
It would be fine to do it but the way the springs are set up is for downforce pull.
Mr_Meaty
03-24-2005, 02:19 AM
hotchkis,
do you have pics of them installed on a tc with stock rims?
I have the TRD springs wich give the same drop front and back, and the front looks a little higher then the front. I don't know how much it drops when my fat a$$ is in it, though, cause no one has driven my car without me in it yet!
jrv2000
03-24-2005, 02:26 AM
That is all nice and everything but I know quite a few people that like the backend higher than the front.
And I know a bunch of people, including myself who like the car to be level.
Mr_Meaty
03-24-2005, 03:53 AM
Now that I think about it, I remember seeinga couple tCs on this site whose rear end looked really high. After they put springs on, they looked just like all the others with the same springs. So the model Hotchkis got might have been one of these, maybe the rears werent' settled when they took their first measurments.
So If you had a larger gap inthe back, it would drop it more in the back. But putting these springs on any car would give it the same ride height, weather it started out higher inthe back or not. So I guess, if they had a proper model to start, it would not have measured as such a large drop in the back.
Still, pics would be nice.
Mr_Meaty
03-24-2005, 10:07 PM
OK, seriously...what about my mistmatched springs question? I remember someone saying not to use the hotchkis front sway with the trd rear sway, and I agree, but what about the springs? Would Hotchkis springs in front and TRD springs in back cause problems?
jrv2000
03-24-2005, 10:09 PM
I dont know exactly what would happen if you did this, but remember than packaged products are produced to work with each other. You might get unexpected results if you start to mix and mach due to the fact that every spring has different spring rates, heights, etc.
Mr_Meaty
03-24-2005, 10:30 PM
I dont know exactly what would happen if you did this, but remember than packaged products are produced to work with each other. You might get unexpected results if you start to mix and mach due to the fact that every spring has different spring rates, heights, etc.
Right. That's what I figured, but I was thinking that the front and rear of each set have different rates and heights anyway.
I dont' know, the more and more I look at my TRD drop, the more and more I like it. The back just looks a little lower then the front. I need bigger wheels!
Mr_Meaty
03-31-2005, 04:20 AM
Now that I think about it, I remember seeinga couple tCs on this site whose rear end looked really high. After they put springs on, they looked just like all the others with the same springs. So the model Hotchkis got might have been one of these, maybe the rears werent' settled when they took their first measurments.
So If you had a larger gap inthe back, it would drop it more in the back. But putting these springs on any car would give it the same ride height, weather it started out higher inthe back or not. So I guess, if they had a proper model to start, it would not have measured as such a large drop in the back.
Still, pics would be nice.
Here is the pic i was talking about
http://deepsouthscions.com/photos/xomixtc5b1.jpg
Maybe their model looked like this, which is why their springs measured as if they dropped the rear more then the front. What do you think?
jrv2000
03-31-2005, 07:07 AM
My tC looked like that stock, with the back jacked up high, the TRD' seemed to fix that pretty well though.
Mr_Meaty
03-31-2005, 01:38 PM
Right, and you car probably looks just lilke mine now with the TRD springs. So if we both measured before and after, Mine would probably show it droping 1.2" in front and 1.2" in back while your'se would show 1.2" in front and maybe 1.4" in back from stock? I'm thinking that might be why the Hotchkis numbers are that way.
If they still have the deal at Hopup racing, I think I'll try the springs with the sways.
Wide_tC
03-31-2005, 04:39 PM
Modified Magazine was here yesterday doing a TC spring install. As soon as he sends us the pics of the before and after I will post them for you guys.
Mr_Meaty
03-31-2005, 07:08 PM
Modified Magazine was here yesterday doing a TC spring install. As soon as he sends us the pics of the before and after I will post them for you guys.
Sweet, that's just what I wanted to hear! Now, are you going to measure how much the drop is again and fix the numbers if your original test unit was a little off, like the one in the picture?
Wide_tC
04-01-2005, 06:31 PM
Here we go everybody.
Stock Wheels and Tires
Remember that every car will have slightly different measurement. Do to manufacturing tolerances.
Front -
Stock Measurement
Ground to Fender Lip = 26 3/8
Hotchkis Measurement
Ground to Fender Lip = 24 13/16
Drop = 1 9/16 (1.563) - (Published = 1.7)
Rear -
Stock Measurement
Ground to Fender Lip = 26 3/4
Hotchkis Measurement
Ground to Fender Lip = 24 7/8
Hotchkis:
How is the ride? I'm sure the cornering is great, but is the ride bouncy on stock shocks? Is it any better with the TRD shocks?
davo345
04-08-2005, 04:03 PM
Hotchkis:
How is the ride? I'm sure the cornering is great, but is the ride bouncy on stock shocks? Is it any better with the TRD shocks?
excellent question. needs to be answered.
Sparks_Scion_TRD_Parts
04-08-2005, 04:36 PM
A lot of people have installed these and I've seen threads on the ride, so I'm going searching here and on yoursciontc for some real life info.
Ken
ProPain
04-08-2005, 05:45 PM
Hotchkis, what are the spring rates on your tC springs vs stock springs?
Also, I'm assuming stock shocks/struts won't last long with this combo?
(If you haven't been there done that, please don't ask.)
Wide_tC
04-08-2005, 08:38 PM
Hotchkis, what are the spring rates on your tC springs vs stock springs?
Also, I'm assuming stock shocks/struts won't last long with this combo?
(If you haven't been there done that, please don't ask.)
Here you go.
Spring Rates:
Front - 175 (Stock 150)
Rear - 285 (Stock 245)
Mr_Meaty
04-08-2005, 10:45 PM
Hotchkis:
Since you didnt' respond to my question about the bouncy ride, I will have to assume that either you don't know, or that it is bouncy. I would imagine it is, with that much of a drop. But what I really want to know is if it can be corrected with the TRD shocks, or if you have any shocks in development.
yesti
04-08-2005, 10:51 PM
That is all nice and everything but I know quite a few people that like the backend higher than the front.
read some other threads in this forum. the trail-brake/lift-throttle oversteer inherit to this platform would only be exaggerated by such a rake. sure it looks 'kewl' but that won't help you from going into the ditch.
English
04-08-2005, 10:54 PM
That is all nice and everything but I know quite a few people that like the backend higher than the front.
read some other threads in this forum. the trail-brake/lift-throttle oversteer inherit to this platform would only be exaggerated by such a rake. sure it looks 'kewl' but that won't help you from going into the ditch.
So true!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Wide_tC
04-08-2005, 11:40 PM
Hotchkis:
Since you didnt' respond to my question about the bouncy ride, I will have to assume that either you don't know, or that it is bouncy. I would imagine it is, with that much of a drop. But what I really want to know is if it can be corrected with the TRD shocks, or if you have any shocks in development.
Me telling you if it is bouncy or not does not really do anything. In my opinion it is not bouncy. The problem is that ride of any spring and shock is different to each individual. What I may think of bouncy, harsh, soft, etc. will be totally different for another individual.
As for shocks we always recommend upgrading to a performance shock, but it is not necessary.
We do not have any shocks in development at this time.
Mr_Meaty
04-09-2005, 04:33 AM
Me telling you if it is bouncy or not does not really do anything. In my opinion it is not bouncy. The problem is that ride of any spring and shock is different to each individual. What I may think of bouncy, harsh, soft, etc. will be totally different for another individual
Good cover. How about compared to stock?
English
04-09-2005, 07:59 AM
Me telling you if it is bouncy or not does not really do anything. In my opinion it is not bouncy. The problem is that ride of any spring and shock is different to each individual. What I may think of bouncy, harsh, soft, etc. will be totally different for another individual
Good cover. How about compared to stock?
Spring Rates:
Front - 175 (Stock 150)
Rear - 285 (Stock 245)
From my calculations from their numbers....
16 or so % stiffer than stock! I just ordered these springs and I'm going to get some adjustable gas shocks once the stockers wear out on me!
Did someone say Koni Yellow Top?
yesti
04-09-2005, 08:49 AM
koni come through for us! :)
tckurt
04-10-2005, 02:17 AM
koni better because no one else is making adjustable shocks for the tc...
Mr_Meaty
04-10-2005, 04:48 AM
Well, so much for that great deal at HopUp racing. It turns out their charging $66 to ship here to Vegas. So after shipping, it would be about $441 for the springs and sways from HopUp, while it would be about $307 for just the sways from McGeorge or Sparks. That means a price difference of $134 for the springs. No cheaper then the tiens. So much for that. I'll just be getting the sways, not the springs.
Sparks_Scion_TRD_Parts
04-10-2005, 11:09 PM
Hotchkis:
Since you didnt' respond to my question about the bouncy ride, I will have to assume that either you don't know, or that it is bouncy. I would imagine it is, with that much of a drop. But what I really want to know is if it can be corrected with the TRD shocks, or if you have any shocks in development.
My experience is that the ride is not bouncy, but bumpy when you drop the car that far. I don't have cars to test each product on to come up with stats so I am looking for real life experiences from owners who have done the mod. When I get back into work on Monday, I will try to find some info for you if you haven't found it through your own searches by then. Please let me know if you do find something. I wish I had more personal time to do research for other people, but I don't.
Ken
mpbrown
04-14-2005, 03:00 AM
best heavy duty shock to mate with hotchkis springs? TRD? possibly hotchkis in the future? need to know so that i can understand what to buy because i dont really like to mix and match cept for the fact that the hotchkis drop looks perfect.
mpbrown
04-14-2005, 03:02 AM
sorry guys i didnt read all the posts!
619AKIRA619
04-15-2005, 07:23 PM
We have a special through April on the Hotchkis springs that includes FREE shipping. There are also sales on the sway bar sets from Hotchkis.