www.scionlife.com/scion/t2b

Saw this reading carspyshot's thread on the t2b http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=14266&page=2

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_front.jpg
http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_rear.jpg

Source is from Automobile.com

Designed at Toyota's Calty Design Studio in Newport Beach, California, the t2b--for "Tall Two-Box"--concept takes everything Scion knows about being hip, cutting-edge, and cool and combines it in one package. The exterior design is partially attributed to senior designer Jin Kim, who was also responsible for the Toyota FJ Cruiser and Lexus LF-C concepts. Interesting details include a single, offset foglamp up front (it illuminates with the strength of two) and a correspondingly lonely reverse light on the rear, which sits directly opposite the exhaust pipe--a nice touch. Besides traditional lighting setups, the t2b also eschews B-pillars and door handles, opting instead for more 'edgy' modes of entry. Passenger-side access is achieved through a single power sliding door, while the driver's side doors--both of which open a full 180 degrees--are manually operated. (The driver's-side back door is suicide-style, furthering our theory that every modern concept must incorporate this design somewhere.) All doors are opened or unlatched via remote control.

Assaulting your senses with every known type of media, the Scion is a rolling entertainment center. An information display housed in the dash--it looks like Star Trek come to life--allows occupants to download music, games, or movies from the Internet. If you can't find the song or game you want on the Web, simply plug an mp3 player into the dash or a video game system into docking ports located in the cargo area and you're good to go. Movies and games are viewed on the rear window, which serves as a projection monitor that can be seen from inside or out.


In addition to the electronic gadgetry, the t2b boasts a surprisingly roomy cabin, an impression aided by the wraparound windshield and fixed moonroof panels, as well as the upside-down trapezoid shape of the interior. Cabin flourishes include specially contoured seats, zippered storage compartments (including one in the steering wheel), and a unique floor, where the carpet pokes through long, rubberized slots like perfectly manicured hedges in a row. The concept is powered by a 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine mated to a four-speed automatic and rides on twenty-inch polished aluminum wheels.

While the t2b's myriad gadgets ensure that no one mistakes it for anything more than a concept, we think the exterior provides a good hint at the styling direction of the next xB. Scion says the goal for the t2b was to "create a concept which would represent that your car is more than just a mode of transportation, it's a lifestyle." Well, if your lifestyle is based around the need to be constantly entertained, then the t2b might be for you.

lol I'm the one who posted it over at CSS... hahaha...

Anyway, here are a few more pics:

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_interior.jpg

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_side.jpg

http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_frontside_open.jpg

good find!

It's like the a combination Scion xB, Scion tC, and the Infinity FX headlights/Audi Pikes Peak headlights

Love the headlights! but it's kinda...weird funky.....yeah

Ugh. Asymmetry on cars is not hot! One fog light??

Thumbs down on most of the exterior design from me. I like interior, the color, and the overall shape a lot, but little exterior details ruin it IMO.

whats up with all the disco light crap inside....big lit up exit buttons.

the killed the rear seat leg room, now it will feel just like a POS american car...

Don't forget, it's just a concept and most cars that come out look different than the concept

I think this is what Scion Corp. is going to be unveiling today at the New York International Auto Show this afternoon. GOD I hope not...but we can only hope. :pray:

They said it was going to be concept named t2B...hence the name on the rear license plate.

Plus I got this in my email box earlier this week about the unveiling..

"On Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 8:30AM EST, Scion will unveil an all-new concept vehicle at the 2005 New York International Auto Show. Known as t2B, it encompasses bold exterior styling, innovative features, and a passenger-friendly interior, all packaged with Scion's requisite fun-to-drive factor. "

Couple of random thoughts:

1) If this is going to be the concept for the next gen xB and they offer the 2.4l engine from the tC/Camry like this concept shows... does this mean factory Supercharged xB?

2) Change the silly carnival ride, lights-a-hoy look on the interior.

3) Is it me or did they skimp on the legroom for the rear seats? To me that was a selling point on the xB.

4) I really like the single foglamp, but I think if it were on the final version, everyone would be telling you, "Did-ja-know, one fell off?".

Cool...

Umm... I have to say the exterior is a little dissappointment. Its not great looking. But its different enough that I still like it. The interior is amazing. I love it. It Looks like something out of star trek. The exit lights are hot! If the production t2b has an interior close to what is in the concept, I would buy it.

I like it. I imagine that any production version will have more rear room, the seat in this is probably moved forwardto make room for the rear window projector thing.

I like the exterior a lot. It's dynamic and very different. Like the asymmetry, it is very Japanese, small details, slight imperfections. I really like the media capabilities, have to imagine this hase wifi built in.

They clearly cut down on the side glass, looks a little more "lead sled" like. Which makes sense really. A box is not meant to be a track car. The xB is really part of the long history of cruisers, with mods made for looks. This seems to embrace that.

If they build it with half of what they're showing here, I'll buy it.

Fugly

whats up with all the disco light crap inside......
its for us Deejays! woot woot raise ya hands up! woot!


:rofl:

its too similar to the ford Syn (US)

I am watching the broadcast right now. I guess I will see shortly whether or not this is it.

well it's offical that is the t2b, :nope:

THE WEBCAST IS ON RIGHT NOW (go check scion.com)

it just ended, replays of the press conference will broadcast shortly

After seeing it on the live webcast.. .I'm really diggin' it! It's kinda like a futuristic armored car cruiser feel :)

Just watched. They've got models of a coupe fastback and a pickup as well.

I like it. When it comes out it's bye bye Xb for me :bow:

Damn it's hot. I think the interior is a little cheezy, like something you find at chuck E cheese, but other than that it is sick.

ehhh....maybe it'll look better in person...i'm not sure how much of that will actually make it into production

Hideous... ugliest car ive ever seen. And I thought the XB was ugly.

Hideous... ugliest car ive ever seen. And I thought the XB was ugly.

Heh.

the single foglight and single reverse light should be moved to the center for safety reasons.

that thing really looks like it'll be top heavy with its "wider on top" design. supercharged 2.4 would be nice but if that t2B is as heavy as it looks, itll probably feel like the xb as far as power goes. i do like the look of the front facia.
Also looks like a lot of us were right in guessing what the next idea would be... fastback, 4door hatch, light truck.

im guessing we'll see a production version late summer of 2006 as a 2007 model.

I did not get to see the end of it. When will it be in production?

just a concept for now. theyll have the video up soon so you can play it over.

did you see the possible truck / suv offspin. nice

i missed it..the exterior i do not like..the interior i do like.. just like the ford syn (us)

The exterior will probably grow on me. The interior, wow talk about something different. That doesn't mean its good. I know its a concept, hopefully if that makes production, they seriously change the interior.

Zoink, I don't know what to say. Well, yes, I do. I will be SHOCKED if that model even gets CLOSE to being made.

Sure, some part of it will end up on the road...but come on. That front drivers door will never fly here in the states...and that dash...looks like something Captain Kirk would drive.

Points given for thinking, but I really, really don't think this is the next SCION we will see in the showroom.

I could be wrong.

Here's more...


Paul
Allscion -- an e-commerce Web site with news and accessories for your scion vehicles
http://www.allscion.com



http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=11908

Scion t2B forecasts possible future for xB


By Mark Rechtin
Automotive News / March 24, 2005

NEW YORK -- Toyota's Scion youth brand unveiled three concepts for future products: a possible heir to the xB along with scale models of a mini-truck and a three-door fastback.

All three vehicles are designed to be built from the Avensis platform that also spawned the Scion tC coupe.

The t2B concept gives broad hints at a potential successor to the xB, but Toyota spokesman Mike Michels cautioned that the vehicles are merely "exploratory."

"It's not to be interpreted as the next xB, but as a number of possible directions for Scion to go," Michels said.

The t2B -- which stands for "Tall Two-Box" -- uses the same 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine as the tC and Toyota Camry.

Scion designed two different door concepts on the t2B. For rear-seat access, the driver's side has remote-controlled doors hinged at the rear, while the passenger's side has one large power-sliding door. Neither side of the car has traditional B-pillars.

The t2B has a massive rear window that doubles as a projection screen for movies or video games.

Scion designers made the headliner the widest area inside the car. The extra headroom gives an ambiance similar to a lounge hangout for the t2B's four occupants.

Scion also presented two other vehicles in one-quarter scale model form. The "Cargo" is a two-seater mini-truck with a small bed for messy gear. The Fastback takes a more aggressive approach to the t2B with a steeply raked rear hatch.

You may e-mail Mark Rechtin at mrechtin@crain.com

Scion also presented two other vehicles in one-quarter scale model form. The "Cargo" is a two-seater mini-truck with a small bed for messy gear. The Fastback takes a more aggressive approach to the t2B with a steeply raked rear hatch.

Soo......where are these 1/4 models?? They sound kinda interesting

Yes I think this would make me want to get another scion. :clap:

the truck and fast back looked pretty nice...would be nice to get Toyota truck quality without the high Toyota price...

Scion is really good at working around the "Mini-Van" label.

I for one like it very much. I expect that they'll go with a more traditional fog light lay out because people don't like asymmetry. I also expect they'll do a traditional door set up and add a rear window. 1) because the #1 gripe about the element is that stupid door layout and 2) blind spots kill. ;-) With those changes done, I'd def. trade one of the xB's for this.

I'm sad I missed the web cast :(

Those huge side doors are sweet. If they could get the seats to swivel, or come out, that would be sweet, too.

Cool for hanging out, but also cool for mobility clients and handicapped folks.

LATER

I will post some pics of the press conference later today of Scion and Toyota, and a few other concepts.

I also expect they'll add a rear window.

It has one. Or do you mean a window to the side, in the rear, like the xB has now?

By God, it looks like a security armored car , or the next "Mini-Hummer".!! Wackenhut , Brinks could use a few.. :rofl:

Yeah, I mean a window to the side, in the rear, like the xB has now.

The exterior looks a little more ballzy.. hence the need for the TC engine. Gotta back that look up.. Hopefully they can keep the gas milage straight.. Big selling point. Interior's a joke, looks like they copied the fish's beetle from HIN.. unpractical, I'd bet money that it won't look anything like that in the end. The exterior just might, though, if we've learned anything from Chrysler... :pray:

More info at http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000083037464/

eh.. not digging the asymmetry... i'll hope they ditch the sliding door for production

I hope that is the production verison. If it is I am going to get one and change my license plates to 'ED-209'...

All I gotta say is "Kiss my @$$" to all the people who said the box would be discontinued. NO WAY!

And I would REALLY love to see that mini-truck go into production as well. This is what Scion represents to me. Not the tC. They need to make more "functional" cars, like the t2B, and that mini-truck. If they want a "sporty" model, it should be full-on 2-seater factory supercharged with a crazy over-the-top body style, like the Lotus.

Functional, funky looking, Japanese, non-traditional utility-type vehichles. THAT'S Scion! I hope they keep this up, and avoid trying to make another "car for the american market"

I'm excited about Scions again!!!

-THE DON

I dont like it...too much like the xB..they should have brought something totally different to us

the truck and fast back looked pretty nice...would be nice to get Toyota truck quality without the high Toyota price...

Truck? Fastback? PICS??

Damn, I had planned on watching the concept show but missed it anyway. I don't like the t2b, it's not a tC :) Truck sounds interesting though, anyone got a pic?

I'm in. I like the look a lot. As long as the rear leg room, head room are still there, I would gladly trade my Xb for that. Any idea as to when this is supposed to go into production?

Ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly.

UGLY.

Ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly.

UGLY.

So what your saying is....you think its ugly?

Looks like a Porte on steroids. Sliding passenger door, hinged driver side.

http://toyota.jp/customize/porte/modellista/index.html

I want one

It's like the a combination Scion xB, Scion tC, and the Infinity FX headlights/Audi Pikes Peak headlights

More like a combo of a modified cardboard box and a ups truck. I looked at it again, and i puked a little in my mouth.

I like it,looking at it from the front reminds me of the mask from the movie PREDATOR.

FUGLY!! very ugly

it looks like a fatter more rounded xB. I was hoping the next scion would be a rwd platform atleast. Give tuners some hope already.

better yet, import the Vios and stick a supercharger on it stock. Very stylish car IMO.
http://www.vios.com.my/

well my 2 cents is that it looks alright. Although it looks like a 2010 edition of XB. It looks nothing at all like the TC. i think their main focus was on the XB rather the then TC. Although; if they do a T2A i think that would look more sick. Especially since they are not boxy and have more curves. Its gonna be cool.I really dont like this car, although the head light are kick assss !!

Count me in....I'm already dreaming of all the mods I can do to the new one! Chances are it won't look anthing like the concept but it sure as hell is different and thats why I bought the XB in the first place

Count me in....I'm already dreaming of all the mods I can do to the new one! Chances are it won't look anthing like the concept but it sure as hell is different and thats why I bought the XB in the first place

WORD!

-THE DON

Hideous... ugliest car ive ever seen. And I thought the XB was ugly.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

i no like, to wierd for me.

i just want those headlights for my tC, that would look sweeeet.

Man it's ugly the only thing thats worse is that this ugly pos is gonna be faster than my beloved xB , what a pos.

I agree I don't like it either! It's ugly as hell! And what's up with those seats? Looks like someone puked all over them!

I like it a lot. Definitely slicker than the Element, and much more futuristic than the beloved xB. I'm very curious to see how the production model turns out.

All I can think of is Mobile Assualt Vehicle, I half expect some sort of SWAT team to pop up with MP5's...or something....

Well just think of it this way, since it uses the 2AZ-FE engine, it'll benefit from all the performance mods (turbos, supercharger, etc.) that were designed for the tC. Unless they skimp on the engine compartment space or orient the engine a different way.

Really don't like the assymetric fog light or reverse light, rather it have two fogs and a dual exhaust. :D

They should of just called it the xB2. More appropriate name.

2b or not Tb, i likedededed it a lot

I'd love to have those doors on my xB. Anyone else?

The last thing I wanted to see was another box! I want to see a 4dr sedan with a supercharged V6.

obviously Simez2003 is a hater. It's good though, we individualists will love it.

All I gotta say is "Kiss my @$$" to all the people who said the box would be discontinued. NO WAY!

And I would REALLY love to see that mini-truck go into production as well. This is what Scion represents to me. Not the tC. They need to make more "functional" cars, like the t2B, and that mini-truck. If they want a "sporty" model, it should be full-on 2-seater factory supercharged with a crazy over-the-top body style, like the Lotus.

Functional, funky looking, Japanese, non-traditional utility-type vehichles. THAT'S Scion! I hope they keep this up, and avoid trying to make another "car for the american market"

I'm excited about Scions again!!!

-THE DON I can stll spank your toater w/ my tc :rofl: :rofl:

No one bothered to mention that it is an answer to the Ford SYN us. It is an XB with upgrades to match the Ford.
Also, the head of Scion said last year that Scion would not attempt an XB replacement. He said they would make the current XB until 2007 and then make a completely different car. He went on to say that you can not replace the XB so they would attempt a totally different vehicle.
By the time we see this in show rooms our XB's will worthless, good luck on the trade in.
More deception from the top, pretty consitent with the Scion brand.

i like the panel truck look of it, and the headlights/fog light. but the overall look is small kine weird. the foglight makes it look like a pirate.

arrrrrrr

Dayum, that's crazy! I like it.

Looks way too much like the Element. I also hate how the rear seat room inside is gone.

I can stll spank your toater w/ my tc :rofl: :rofl:

Who said I'm trying to race anybody? :ttth: I said I like "function" and "style" and "utility"... I never mentioned racing.

Now go back to watching your tapes of Fast and Furious, and learn how to spell :loser:

-THE DON

I'm not liking the dramatic reduction in rear seat leg room and the interior is definitely concept material. For Toyota to be able to fit this vehicle into the Scion pricing range, they will in now doubt use the same vast expanses of plastic as in the current xA, xB, and tC. All the fancy stuff will never make it to production - just to cost prohibitive.

I like the bigger engine (although a 5 spd manual will need to be an option) and the exterior design isn't too bad ... although I agree that symetrical fog lights up front and dual exhaust out back would be prefered. I kind of like the door design as well (doesn't the Nissan Cube have doors similar to this?). If they could keep a lot of the elements from the exterior and package it with the interior space of the current xB then it would be on my list ... but the outrageous interior definitely needs to go!

i like this concept...
for the simple fact that it is what we've been commenting on the scionlife forums since scion first came out.
1) the wraparound rear window -- obviously related to everyone's opinion of the one on the Nissan Cube
2) the 2.4L engine -- our cries for more power, and a possible factory SC option
3) the interior lighting -- based on all the LED bulb swaps and Randode cathode kits we've installed
4) the single fog light -- with a light output of two fog lights... how often have we complained about the foglights on the xB -- a plenty
5) the interior docking station -- Scion asked in different polls on this site what upgrades/features we wanted in our audio systems -- seems they listened
6) exterior styling -- glad the design is polarizing. the last thing Scion needed was another 'safe' design like the tC. the box should always instigate a reaction

thank you Scion for listening

raúl...

It's like a honda element.. on crack.. a lot of crack.. or the result of an element and a pt cruiser trying to mate.. I can't find a single thing I like about it :(

yea, i dont like the XB, and this thing is not me, AT ALL

:yawn: kind of a lame "unveiling" if you ask me.

it's just the refreshed version of the xB, which is all well and good. but it's all about managing expectations. i was under the impression this was going to take things in a whole new direction for scion. uh, not so much.

but, yes please, definitely give the next gen xB a bigger engine. that's good news.

also, hopefully they'll fix the crap hatchback latch with a one-piece door and not the "breakaway" tack on one we're stuck with now.

I think whatever iteration we see in production will be a worthy replacement for the xB. The single fog and reverse lights are the only beef I have with it. RIP xB. We will miss you. :(

I want the rims

If they can work out some of the bugs in the design, such a that silly media projector and the front dash, I'd buy that right away.

A couple observations:

- It's an entirely new platform "not in use on any Toyota product" according to Farley's statements

- The bB was introduced as a "dorm on wheels", a social space for you and your friends and this takes the idea the next step (tC owners claiming they could still "burn it" take note: IT'S NOT A TRACK CAR)

- They seem to be creating a "brand face" for Scion, looks at the similarities between this grill and the grill on the tC

- If they put half the technology in the concept into production this will be the most network connect car out there (forget about modding a macmini to fit!)

- It's a concept, deliberately over the top

I like, and am happy that Scion is listening to owners and taking steps to create a real brand in the US.

this is the ugliest mother effin thing ive ever seen. id be ashamed to call that a scion...damn i mean really..every other car was so hott n now theyre gonna drop the Element Mini-Bus?..gimme a break..the sedan would have been nicer...well a friggin remake of a john deere tractor would have been better...what i disappointment ::rolls eyes::

....toyotas going in the wrong direction, thats just insane. as if scion sales werent bad enough, then they come out with this. don't get me wrong, i love the tc, xb, and the xa but damn, some1 must have had there head up there you know what to have made something like this. :doh: let's just hope it doesnt come out.

I like it. When it comes out it's bye bye Xb for me :bow:

I knew you couldnt leave well enough alone Munch Man. Just when you start to like a car ... poooof its gone. Traded in just like your wheels. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I like it. When it comes out it's bye bye Xb for me :bow:

I knew you couldnt leave well enough alone Munch Man. Just when you start to like a car ... poooof its gone. Traded in just like your wheels. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I know I know, It's a terrible disease man :lalala: . I can't help myself :doh: . The Xb is gone next year anyway. I never keep a car more than 2 years, no matter how much I like it :rofl:

I actually like that a lot. It needs to be cleaned up a lot, but it's just a concept... It has a lot of potential as a retail model.

I'm not sure what's going on with the dashboard lights, though...

I like it. When it comes out it's bye bye Xb for me :bow:

I knew you couldnt leave well enough alone Munch Man. Just when you start to like a car ... poooof its gone. Traded in just like your wheels. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I know I know, It's a terrible disease man :lalala: . I can't help myself :doh: . The Xb is gone next year anyway. I never keep a car more than 2 years, no matter how much I like it :rofl:

Must be nice to have deep pockets. Wanna pay my speeding ticket? ( post under regional link ).

IMO .... which doest count for much. Im on the fence about it. I can see where Scion would like to go with the line. Afterall, they hit it big with the box on U.S. soil to begin with. How many people here rushed out to get one when they heard about it coming to our shores? IMO ... the xB is the imports answer to the PT Cruiser. It made a big impression. For Scion to say that they are going to 86 the box by 2007 to me is a bit premature. If a car sells well, more then likely it will stay on the market till it doesnt.

That being said ... i can see Scion using some style cues from the T2B on a 2nd gen xB. The engine may be replaced with the larger 2.4L , which would make the hood longer. OR possibly push the interior back, which would explain the loss of the rear leg room. The doors ... not likey will go into production. Too many moving parts. More moving parts means more money. The fog light and back up light arent likely either. I agree, people like symetry. The dual exhaust, may be an aftermarket option. the raised bumpers ... they may actaully go with these too. Just to make a slight difference between gen 1 and gen 2. Much like Plymouth did with the NEONs. 2nd gen look much like the first, but stand apart from it at the same time.

Ill keep my box, thanks. Keep in mind though, almost everyone here was on the fence when they first saw pictures of the xB on the net or a magazine. But when you see it in person, it was a whole different story. Pic didnt do the xB justice.

Cant wait to see this up close tomorrow. :pray:

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http://www.detnews.com/pix/autos/concepts/06sciont2b/1.jpg
Toyota's Scion 'youth' division revealed its latest concept car at the New York Auto Show. Designed at Toyota’s California study, the t2B is a "pure design exercise," said Jim Farley, Scion vice president. The front-drive concept uses a new platform and a 2.4litre four-cylinder engine.

2005 New York Auto Show
Scion marks three-year anniversary with t2B concept
By John McCormick / AutosInsider

NEW YORK -- Three years after launching the Scion brand at the New York show, the Toyota 'youth' division revealed its latest concept car.

Designed at Toyota's California study, the t2B is a "pure design exercise," said Jim Farley, Scion vice president. The front-drive concept uses a new platform and a 2.4litre four-cylinder engine. Its most distinctive visual elements are its reverse trapezoidal shape, which makes it bigger at the top than the bottom, and unusual asymmetric design features. These include a power sliding driver door and suicide doors on the passenger side...
Read the rest at:
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0503/24/01-128070.htm

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First impressions: I do not like it. It's too much like a fat, gas guzzling SUV or MiniVan.

The xB remains a lean mean innovative machine... I doubted that Scion could improve on the xB concept and now that I've seen and read about the t2B it's just a move toward the same bad car designs seen in most U.S. parking lots. More is not better... Bigger wheels, 2.4L, power doors, gadgets & gimmicks, etc.

:doh: :P :ttth: RPM

^^ Sweet

-THE DON

OK, it's growing on me. At first I thought the back was Cube-esque with the whole asymmetry thing. Now I see it is more equal. There actually looks like there is somewhat of a balance between the two sides even though the doors open in totally different ways. I'd still prefer traditional ones, though.

Lets just hope they make that "foglight with the power of two" optional. The single reverse light is easier to get used to because in Europe a lot of cars only have one, the other space is filled with a red rear fog light for use in bad weather. At least the exhaust is there to offset the reverse light, unlike the front where it just looks like someone forgot to install the second fog light. I can't get over that. Can you imagine going down the road with only one fog light on? Everyone would just think you blew a bulb and were too lazy to replace it. :loser:

know how I'm sure this is a bad idea.. ford had the same one

Exhibit A & B
http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_front.jpg
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/autoshow/pg_syn_1.jpg

Exhibit C.. a good show car
http://corollatoys.com/good.jpg

whats up with all the disco light crap inside......
its for us Deejays! woot woot raise ya hands up! woot!


:rofl:

WOOT WOOT!!!

*puke*

SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow: :love: I'll take it just like it is... don't change a thing I LOVE IT :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: i'M SELLING ALL THE TOYS AND GETTING ONE!

Sorry for yelling I can hardly contain my excitement.......!




Victor

Ps Even though my wife hates it says its a cross between a PT and a XB....NOT!

know how I'm sure this is a bad idea.. ford had the same one

Exhibit A & B
http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_front.jpg
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/autoshow/pg_syn_1.jpg

Exhibit C.. a good show car
http://corollatoys.com/good.jpg

Actually, Ford ripped off the xB. The t2b is just rehashing the original xB exterior. It looks more like this.

http://www.clairscion.com/img/xb.jpg The BOMB
http://www.fordvehicles.com/assets/images/autoshow/pg_syn_1.jpg The POS

Thanks to Brian Bolain for mentioning Scion Life, and Frank Giovinazzi for publishing it:
http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/archives/2005/03/scion_t2b.htm

http://corollatoys.com/good.jpg

DAMN! THAT should have been the tC!!!



I like the t2B... only thing I'd change is the design of the interior seats and the one fog light in front.

Might even trade the B for one later

The t2B is way to concept right now to judge anything about it. All I know is either the Front end was over designed or not given enough thought. I can see people buying this vehicle but not in number that we all see for the xB or tC. It will fade away like the xA has been.

"The car is not -- repeat, is not -- a candidate for production. Bolain said Scion they created the project as a way to deliver the "element of surprise" that Scion has become known for."

Shtoooops.... guess we can all forget about buying one

http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/archives/2005/03/scion_t2b.htm

"The car is not -- repeat, is not -- a candidate for production. Bolain said Scion they created the project as a way to deliver the "element of surprise" that Scion has become known for."

Shtoooops.... guess we can all forget about buying one

http://www.carbuyersnotebook.com/archives/2005/03/scion_t2b.htm

That doesn't mean that the model that is going to make it to production, won't be an offshoot of this "concept" model. We could see something very similiar, but toned down.

I really hope they stick with the suicide door style on the driver's side and duplicate that on the passenger side. It's funny, cuz' a friend and I were guessing what the key features in the t2B concept was going to be, and he said "sliding doors" and I said "suicide doors." It turns out we were both right!

I love the exterior, but the inside needs a lot of work as far as I'm concerned.

for all you people raggin on the one fog light just cut a hole on the other side and ad another one and have the power of 4. thats if this thing ever makes it to production

definately not an attractive vehicle.

definately not an attractive vehicle.

heres a quick redesign
http://images.snapfish.com/3434944723232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2336%3D98%3C%3D%3B45%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A97%3B55%3B8ot1lsi

It is growing on me. Some of the things that I htink have to go will most likely die before actually development but I know some of the things I like will as well. :( No win situation......

THAT DEFINITELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE TC!!!!!!!!!! SIC is all I can say

know how I'm sure this is a bad idea.. ford had the same one

Will you guys drop the Ford crap? You really think Toyota saw the Synus and whipped this thing together in 3 months as a response?

This has been undergoing design for at least 12 months.

And it's a frickin' concept! Think it's too loaded with gimmicks? No kidding, IT'S A CONECPT!

i ACTUALLY LIKE IT :eyebrow: The front end needs an overhaul, but other than that I like how it has a very sporty, and flexible appearance. It is definitely nowhere near the functionality of the xb, but thats what concepts are for. Pushing the creative (and sometimes ugly) envelope.

well I think it may grow on me, but i don't have the same feeling about it that i had the first time i saw the xb at hot import nights in orlando a few years ago, when i saw the xb then, i was like"wow i am gonna have to buy one of those" so a couple years later i bought one, but just think for all of us xb owners, we will be one super cool group of people....oh we already are.......all praise the xb owner.......and bow to all of the scion nation....just kidding....

It looks like the Preditor's mask.

I just want my doors to open like the driver's side.

Save all the tv's and crap for kids in minivans. I just want to drive.

heres a quick redesign
http://images.snapfish.com/3434944723232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2336%3D98%3C%3D%3B45%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A97%3B55%3B8ot1lsi
Your quick redesign pic addresses 2 key problems:

* 2 fog lights are better than 1

* Rear windows are needed for visibility; although, a blind spot still exists because of the high rear seat backs and high window level, compared to the xB

Even after your improved redesign the t2B seems to me fatally flawed.

RPM

I must have one. Definitely merits some nice paint.

seriously if you don't know how to exit a car door...put your head next to that sign and slam....ugly POS evea

At the show, they have 2 scale T2B concept models, as well. One is a quasi fastback, theother looks like a 2 seat cargo.
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SWEET Looking out Dude ,now thats a Shibby right there , The lights look like eyes of a wolf it looks like a New age Mystery Machine( Scooby Doo van) NOW IS IT REAL !

I can not help to think that the t2B concept shares some exterior design features with the awful Dodge Magnum!

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2005/Dodge/100380761/029029-E.jpg
http://automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2005_new_york/0504_scion_front.jpg

:P RPM

let see if this concept comes alive....

I expected the tC crowd not to like it "it looks too unlike a civic coupe. I'm frightened." But, I'm surprised the mixed reaction from the xB crew.

silverxb, your chop is exactly what I wanted to see, thanks.

The more I look at this concept the less I like that tC'ish grill, though.

Here is a pic of the truck and coupe I ripped from the presentation. I like the truck idea!!

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wODQzNDA5NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg[/img]

Definitely a concept vehicle feel. But I think the ideas will translate nicely into a production version. The interior is rad!

AND STILL NO ARMREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like it !!!

"Definitely a concept vehicle feel. But I think the ideas will translate nicely into a production version"

Well said! That's exactly how I feel. I'm sure the t2B will morph into something that ends up on the lot. And, when it does, I'm pretty sure I'll want it :)

"AND STILL NO ARMREST!"

:lol:

i really like the headlights and tails... the rest will grow on me... one and a alf thumbs up... the fastback toy looks hot... but i doubt it can be reproduced to scale to achieve the same look... the truck version is cool too, but reminds me of an ssr... still pretty hot though... i am going to be looking for a truck in the future -=D maybe this one will be it

So when will the production version come out, you think?

I plan to go to the auto show to give it a chance.

I personally think that the carefully added roundness of the back end weakens the unique squareness of the box.

many of us are addressing the same design flaw in different ways: the t2b has too much bulk in the butt.
The bumper makes it look like it has love handles.
Not the same leanness of the xB.
The pickup and the sportster seem more successful here.

The fog-light and backup light are wonderfully original. simple and clever. even if they never make production. and the wheel and roof scale work

However the nose seems derivative of the wrong car.
What's wrong with the elegant use of lights and grill in the horizontal band across the front...?IMHO this IS of the success of the current xb's front end. Please don't change single band for light and grill!

The Elements's suicide doors are unsafe and do not stand side impact as well as the xb.
That design change alone would stop me from upgrading to this car. The sliding doors could be great if they don't require too much effort.

the interior clearly was not intended for production but it is true to form and simple. very good stuff.

thanks scion for giving us the attention. Hope this helps

Man... its so pug-fugly. But that's how all concepts are.

I bet the t2b is gonna be much curvier.

I also bet... its gonna lug that engine we all want in our xB hahaa

whoops, two posts. :doh:

Sorry to say this, but the fastback version looks like the aztek, and it needs one more window in the back. but all in all, I like the rest.

ill drive it : )

i don't know if somebody has already sayed this but it looks like a Honda Element. You know the way the doors open all the way there is no piller in the middle. i like the remote doors and suicide door but i though that mini vans had sliding doors what is that all about. i don't know i still like it and can not what till the real car (not concept) comes out so we know the final product.

SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow: :love: I'll take it just like it is... don't change a thing I LOVE IT :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: i'M SELLING ALL THE TOYS AND GETTING ONE!

Sorry for yelling I can hardly contain my excitement.......!




Victor

Ps Even though my wife hates it says its a cross between a PT and a XB....NOT!

It is growing on me as well. Hell, what is so wrong with one light in the front? That is just the sort of thing that makes it stick out. And one thing is for sure, the xB line sticks out.

Maybe then, I'll get one. Right after I finish the trio, and have my tC next to the xA and xB.
:P

Oh, and the wife is nuts on this. I don't think she can convince anyone.

ok so idk all i have to say is...interesting....very interesting....i mean wtf is toyota thinking? :crazy: this car is so WEIRD looking! the interior is all spacey and ____...the lights are corny...i like the seats i guess, the doors that open opposite on the one side and the sliding mini van door are kinda cool but idk it def reminds me of the Element....which i HATE with the utmost passion. The ___ end of it is just bubbly and strange. I def wanna see a scion mini truck or something....f**k this crazy t2B crap, i mean maybe bring it back when the world goes Jetson's style with flying cars and ____ but now it's just not doing much for me.
~Kristin

how bout this?
http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/users/41b22c0az186ca01a/4bdd/__sr_/3806.jpg?phRh8QCBU2nM0uUa
i know the last one looks crappy but its a start.

the anticipation of waiting for photoz wuz so hard for meeee, but they are finally here!!
and just when u thought Scion cant do better.. they sure promised a surprise, i dunno about u guyz, but i was pretty surprised. with this concept, i totally love the idea of a toss up between Will Cypha + bB + Porte.

the first look of it obviously slapz u on the forehead with the thought of a 2nd gen bB, as u come to your sensez and carefully speculate around the body it reminds u of the Will Cypha & Porte thatz currently selling over in Japan. it's got the similiar lines of a Will Cypha's body with a Porte's styling, or either way its pretty similiar to all 3.. i cant help but be hypnotized of the design. although im not fond of the idea of suicide doors and passenger sliding door.. IMO suicide doors is hotness only if its on a classical type car or a extremely luxurious car like a Bentley/Royce of that sort. for a "cool, edgy" factor car i dont think suicide is the way to go. and the whole sliding door idea, obviously they belong on a VAN! a family van none the less, i dont want that if i dont have a soccer team to haul! therez only 2 doorz on the concept, i hope they make it 4 on production, i love coupes but on a boxy/van/suv type of vehicle there should be 4.. it just feelz right, ya know? and again itz just me

itz all IN MY OPINION, i love the overall design and philosophy, but i just dont like the suicide & sliding doorz idea, i dunno, it might grow on me later on but at the moment im not too convinced that they are that cool.. but im pretty satisfied with it, i've been biting on my nailz & riping my hair out since the rumor of the concept and now im finally seeing it debut. it just made my day! cant wait to see what they'll come up with next, TOYOTA/SCION ROCKz

now i just gotta goto the auto show, i've alwayz wanted to go but no one i know wantz to go with me.. so i've yet to goto any, it killz me to know that a car show is in my area but im not able to go.. i hope itz not the same for me this year

^^^ my post above is from the other post about the t2b but it was locked for some reason.. :eyebrow: but i will make a stand and say im not a fan of the doorz.. at all! sliding doorz belong on a van, suicide doorz arent that cool unless if its on a oldies/classical type car or a ultra luxurious Bentley/Rolls Royce, i was optimistic about the design of the rear before but now that i see it, itz not as good as it should seem, i mean unique is good, but that rear is pretty nasty, if they are going for the idea of the xB styling then i think they should stick to the fact that the body should be more like a "box".. i mean the rear of the xB is what made me fall in love with it in the first place.. [im a ___ type of guy :rofl: ] its hypnotic! the wider top and narrow bottom idea isnt bad but itz not safe.. makez it seem like it'll be prone to easy roll over.. just think of a newborn baby with its head.. but i love the glass panel roof through out the entire cabin, i love it because itz stadium like, and i can a nice view of what is above.. the whole dash led strip idea and the lighting seemz too cheesy, if i want that i'd hit up a disco hall.. after all u gotta pay attention to driving than looking at those ridicuplous thingz.. we have enough idiotz on the road as there is and we dont want to become one of em.. i know its a concept vehicle so far, but scion takez the concept ideaz and actually make hem a reality! [note the bbx & ccx] i hope they dont actually think they would think these ideaz would be a big hit because the Y GEN isnt that gullable, but we'll see what happenz to the production model first..

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I think this concept car is introducing some good new key fundamental ideas. It seems like in some areas at least Toyota is very much paying attention to what is going on out there.

My reaction to specific things I saw:
1) Headlight design - nice changes overall... but the foglight thing is dumb- needs to look balanced.

2) Doors- major problem here in introducing two completely different styles of doors... PICK ONE. It's just not practical to ahve 3 totally different dorrs to get into a vehicle. The sliding door is just stupid looking on a "cool car" because it reminds me of a minivan. The suicide doors.. on the other hand... with no b-pillar... are actually a nice touch.

3) The dash- too cheesy the way it is designed... HOWEVER- Toyota has got it right in terms of it beind extremely versatile and more digital... the LCD look is arguable, but the concept is right.

4) Big TV in it... since lots of people put them in anyways... why not make it an accessory or standard. I disagree with the rear window thing though.. that's just corny.

5) Bigger engine... DEFINITELY!! This has been my only complaint about the xB. While the engine is certainly sufficient.. we'd like a cool car with more power please.

I'll take mine in black, please! :clap:

t2B, as is, is a MAJOR disappointment.

The design seems to be pulled, make that lifted, from competitors as opposed to something original or even close to the spirit of the xB.

Ford's concept (SYN) http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/as/autoshow2005/photos/S_452011a.jpg seems to have been the basis for this abysmal design along with Pontiac's Aztec and some Honda Element thrown in.

The sliding passenger door on the right qualifies this as a mini-van, something I NEVER want to own or drive.

The only car in the Scion/ Toyota stable for me is the xB as the other models (xA = Matrix and tC = Hyundai Tiberon) are just not worth the ownership and depend far too much on victims of marketing. (a V6 Ford Mustang will blow the doors off the tc, even if supercharged, for the same $$).

I have never owned a Toyota (or Japanese auto) before and probably won't again after this xB.

The introduction of the Nissan Cube and if Ford finds the "balls" to release the SYN will pounce this t2B.

Someone here stated that it was as "ugly" as the Dodge Magnum, YOU WISH. I like the Dodge Magnum as well as the 300C from Chrysler and I'm looking forward to getting another Ford Mustang as my xB is the daily driver.

So, in closing, I dig my Scion xB, will do a few mods and enjoy its fun difference.

:no: adding the sliding door kinda admits that its a minivan... im kinda partial to calling mine a truck (the bed style area with the seats down) the bast thing i see... the game and mp3 ports! making it computer friendly is kick ___! WHEN WILL HOT WHEELS HAVE ONE OF THESE!? lol

Hello everyone, This is my first post here...

I saw the t2B concept at autoblog today, all I can say is wow.

Despite all the negative things people (Including many on this board) are saying about this car, I absolutely love it.

Why?

It’s clean, it’s chopped, the wheels are moved to the very front and back of the car, it’s low slung, the doors are fine (Although I don’t see why they couldn’t have a sliding driver’s door too [this could make getting out of your car in a crowed parking lot easier])

Am I the only one who looks at this and sees a modern version of a 1932 coupe? Look at it, the fender flares, it’s near perfection.

The exterior is perfect, I swear, I wouldn’t change a thing, I like the single light idea. I don’t like the interior, but heaven knows that wouldn’t be production.

If Toyota builds it, I’m buying one... If not, I’m buying a Nissan Cube when they hit the US.

The xA just wasn’t popping for me, and the TC looks like every other car on the road. The xB is great, but it has nothing on the t2B.

Let me tell you, I have a 1996 GEO tracker, it’s the perfect size, and the shape is nice, I’ve been driving it for a while, and had no interest in buying a another car untill that Tracker breaks, but this thing got my attention, and everyone I showed it to liked it, including the same people who I showed the xB two years ago and said it was the ugliest car they ever seen.

The car is smooth, it’s a box yes, but it is a well rounded sporty box. The hood is the right size for the rest of the car, the length is great, and the seating problem in the back could be fixed by moving the seats back into the cargo area (dua.)

So in conclusion, before you diss this thing, look at it again. Think about how nice this thing would look as a vintage hot rod?

It might look like this...
http://www.drakegta.com/sciont2b.jpg

I'm not sure what you all are talkin about...i love this concept...i think it has pushed the idea of "edgy" car further out...i love this concept. its like the xB all grown up...i would totally get one if it came out...this is exactly what Scion should be doing...pushing the limits of car design...making people look once...look twice...and then look again...and see a different car every time you look...personally...its a hit...

come...dont you remember the ccx...that thing was...ummm...funky...but look what they made...tC...people talked smack about the xA and xB coming over...but they were wrong...

thats just my two cents...

I'm feelin' it. They're keeping the whole box thing going, but updating it and making it cooler.

absoulutly love it !!! see lots of potential for it as far as being creative with mods.

I like it, I was there, you really need to see it up close, the front is very aggressive (Ithink that's what I like the most about it)...I don't think any of us should get too worked up weather you like this or not...... remember this is a concept, a "exercise in design" as it was called. I doubt this would be the production model.... but I like it the the strips of shag carpet in the floor boards was neat.... like I said I dug it

I definitely like the car, but they won't possibly be able to maintain the "entry level" idiom. No way I could afford the thing.

I definitely like the car, but they won't possibly be able to maintain the "entry level" idiom. No way I could afford the thing.

yeah...one of the design guys told me that the cocept was worth 1.5 million ..... if they put it in production I hoped it would be a bit cheaper than that

one of the design guys told me that the cocept was worth 1.5 million

Keep in mind concept vehicles are one offs and therefore will be very costly to build.
Once a vehcile hits mass production the price in parts goes way down. I also think you will see a lot more of the cool tech stuff in the interior make it into the production car than you ever dreamed possible......

That being said....

Overall I love this car I think Scion has been listening to their owners in general and trying their best to give you what you want. What other car company listens as well ??

For all of you who don't love the interior looks I'm for the most part with you. The seating isn't horrible but there are WAY too many lights. Although I will definately give scion kudos for putting all the functionality into it. I love the idea of being able to dowload things , docking my ipod & having a projection on my rear window. It better than a big screen TV IMO becuase it doesnt take up as much space.

Overall I think the production car IF there is one :bow:

The front light conjures thought of the Predator w/ mask on. I honestly like this. Adding glass to the back sides would wreck the effect. Suicides are good if done correctly. People mod cars with verts and sui's all the time. I think it's nifty. The passenger side door might be an interesting vertical door.

This car is a go. The inside dash is interesting. Imagine it will be changed for production, but don't feel it necessary. The key is edgy and an inside as pictured would fit the bill. Those who don't like it don't get 'it', the same way folks don't necessarily get the Xb.

The idea is not to have something that everyone else is driving. Those folks can have Corollas and Camrys.

I noticed that the wheel well can accommodate 20's; slick.

I just hope that the Scion/Toyota folks invest in a better suspension system. The xB gives a pretty crappy ride on city streets. I'd like a little less to be one with the road.


The asymmetry is spiffy. Stop complaining.

It's good though, we individualists will love it.

Exactly. Except for those dumpy Chrysler 300ish chrome rims. Garbage.

I'm not liking the dramatic reduction in rear seat leg room and the interior is definitely concept material. For Toyota to be able to fit this vehicle into the Scion pricing range, they will in now doubt use the same vast expanses of plastic as in the current xA, xB, and tC. All the fancy stuff will never make it to production - just to cost prohibitive.

I like the bigger engine (although a 5 spd manual will need to be an option) and the exterior design isn't too bad ... although I agree that symetrical fog lights up front and dual exhaust out back would be prefered. I kind of like the door design as well (doesn't the Nissan Cube have doors similar to this?). If they could keep a lot of the elements from the exterior and package it with the interior space of the current xB then it would be on my list ... but the outrageous interior definitely needs to go!

I think one of the aspects of "value-pricing" the first Scions was due to their having been marketed to first-time-buyers (essentially teens/youth). Just from observing the drivers of those on the road, a lot of older people, essentially Toyota-aged buyers have Scions. Those folks are people with a little extra money.
Keeping that in mind, Scion can develope edgier cars, that are a bit pricier and still expect to make money.
Also if one is to think about young Scion buyers growing older, one would expect them to eventually have more money available a second time around.

The idea with Scions was that they were supposed to hook people in and then for the next car get them move to Toyotas, and then one day they move to Lexus.

Maybe, the idea was revamped abit and it was thought to keep people looking for 'different' looking vehicles as Scion customers.

I would have appreciated a little less skimping on the interior of my Xb. Some of the Scion drivers looked at Minis. Those are not necessarily inexpensive cars. But one who has money for a mini also has money for a more frills Scion.

heres a quick redesign
http://images.snapfish.com/3434944723232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2336%3D98%3C%3D%3B45%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A97%3B55%3B8ot1lsi
Your quick redesign pic addresses 2 key problems:

* 2 fog lights are better than 1

* Rear windows are needed for visibility; although, a blind spot still exists because of the high rear seat backs and high window level, compared to the xB

Even after your improved redesign the t2B seems to me fatally flawed.

RPM

I take it you have never driven a van before.

one of the design guys told me that the cocept was worth 1.5 million

Keep in mind concept vehicles are one offs and therefore will be very costly to build.
Once a vehcile hits mass production the price in parts goes way down.


yeah I hpoed it would be cheaper than a mill or so.... :rofl: ..... I think it was great I like it more and more, as I look at the pictures I took ......

Most Concept Cars never reach production, However design elements and other things usually do, I dont look at it as Whats next from scion, as what parts/features They are going to have on the Next Scions.

I always thought having a sliding door on the xB would be pretty neat, be really really sweet of the whole door slid upwards.

Overall I don't like it myself but at least they gave us something.

Hi all,

Here's some additional content on the t2B that you might enjoy:

http://www.scionzone.com/html/features/autoshows/newyork2005/

And, some photographs:

http://gallery.scionzone.com/gallery/newyork05-t2b

Enjoy!

Mike K.

Like the fastback version.

well after further thought it is ugly ugly guly and well just plain ugly.........either drop the xb and go on a new venture all together or keep the xb the way it is.......boxy and nonsliding door like
and with two fog lights. one is just really stupid how functional would it really be.................


one last thought
its garbage or garbage truck like

IF scion makes he T2B, it will look nothing like the concept. Remember the CCX? The tC is a completely different animal.

It looks like a fridge and an xb made sweet sweet love and it makes me want to vomit.

I'm glad as hell people don't like it at its first inception.
I didn't buy the xB because everyone loved it or because it was the 'cool' new car ala the tC. Nothing against the tC, I'm trying to get my girlfriend to buy one.

Let them hate it, I'll take mine in black. Only if they change the booty-looking back and get rid of the disco lights on the interior.

im so going to get one scion is about being different and this does it!

when can i change my ice cube to a melting ice cube ?? deff something thats not out there that soo scion id buy it

In addition, am I the only one that thinks the single fog light and rear light is cool?
Symmetry is boring, but too much lopsidedness is unnatural. The accent of the fog light and rear light aren't too much but definitely give the t2B a uniqueness, and isn't that why we enjoy the Scion line?
And about the sliding door being reminiscent of a mini-van, WTF? I think most vehicles in the future will have this. Not for aesthetics but for conveinence and ease. Just think, no more scratches cuz the jacka$$ next to you can't open his door or park his car legitimately... the same reason Lambo door make so much sense (other than looking cool). Plus, most vehicles abroad (re. japan, euro, etc.) are including sliding doors into their vehicles.

Commence respond/rebuttal now.

oh.....yay.....it's the "low profile" toaster....on wheels
but nah, i liked the xb when it first came out, this new body style interest me, but that interior has got to go.

anyone notice Scion cars have similar looking parts from other car makers?
It's like the a combination Scion xB, Scion tC, and the Infinity FX headlights/Audi Pikes Peak headlights
not to mention the rear window that looks like the Nissan Cube.....

this includes the tC: Volvo S60 hood, BMW headlights, Audi rear...jus to name a few...

i'd like to see a keyless entry credit card style key, or the Prius key style on Scion's lineup....

In addition, am I the only one that thinks the single fog light and rear light is cool?
Symmetry is boring, but too much lopsidedness is unnatural. The accent of the fog light and rear light aren't too much but definitely give the t2B a uniqueness, and isn't that why we enjoy the Scion line?
And about the sliding door being reminiscent of a mini-van, WTF? I think most vehicles in the future will have this. Not for aesthetics but for conveinence and ease. Just think, no more scratches cuz the jacka$$ next to you can't open his door or park his car legitimately... the same reason Lambo door make so much sense (other than looking cool). Plus, most vehicles abroad (re. japan, euro, etc.) are including sliding doors into their vehicles.

Commence respond/rebuttal now.

I'm with you on all of this.
I just think they should evolve the classic front of the xB not the tC.
The reason I bought an xB is because I looked at the shape and thought "classic".
Classic like the beetle, the miata, the bmw 2002.
Classic because of its departure of any current trend AND because of its simple clean design.

Scion should not think xB owners want to own a tC or that we even like them.
I hate that someone put another (lesser imho) front end on our beautiful xB.

The items you mention certainly help this car become unique but they don't make it an xB.
They seem more like design gimmicks.
I like them very much but they aren't what makes the "soul" of the car to me.
and the xB has a soul. very rare in itself these days.

The coupe and the pickup on the other hand are unique.
The expansion of the xB in this way is very exciting to me...
...As long as they salute the xB...NOT the tC
I could see myself with either of these...

But I hope they keep it XB style.

and thanks - I enjoyed your comments.

Looks good as a futristic urban style combat vehicle, but I no likey!! It's to TRON on the outside and to StarTrek on the inside. Yes I know it is a concept! Keep it clean and smooth with a few tweaks here and there. Bigger engine, is all the upgrade needed!!

look's weird outside but nice inside.

Dope on the inside. It has a projector on the inside and dual iPod docks to play them. I watched the unveiling and it said it has 1 fog light because it has the light of 2.

In addition, am I the only one that thinks the single fog light and rear light is cool?
Symmetry is boring, but too much lopsidedness is unnatural. The accent of the fog light and rear light aren't too much but definitely give the t2B a uniqueness, and isn't that why we enjoy the Scion line?
And about the sliding door being reminiscent of a mini-van, WTF? I think most vehicles in the future will have this. Not for aesthetics but for conveinence and ease. Just think, no more scratches cuz the jacka$$ next to you can't open his door or park his car legitimately... the same reason Lambo door make so much sense (other than looking cool). Plus, most vehicles abroad (re. japan, euro, etc.) are including sliding doors into their vehicles.

Commence respond/rebuttal now.

You are officially cool. Finally someone else who understands that symmetry thing and what Scion is about.

mitchell, i agree with you in a sense. i too believe the xB styling (while a bit derivative of other minivan styling) is unique. it is the xB that defines scion. just like the miata does for mazda, the mustang for ford, etc...
toyota/scion should take a page from mazda and their published efforts taken with the new miata. dimensions/weight/styling were each looked at independently. but again, i can agree with some change needed -- crashworthiness, addition of side airbags, etc.
last thing the xB needs to be is a 'common faced' member of the scion family. let it be the adopted son -- the bastard child...
it even looks like the new Audi Q7 that will be coming out soon
http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/0388528073116142.jpg

Go Toyota! Build it! Just make sure it has manual tranny and 4WD!!!

ill take 2 please

make that 3 if I can get them to throw in a TDI

Not feelin the look :yawn:


Hideous... ugliest car ive ever seen. And I thought the XB was ugly. Must be a tC owner. :blah: :eyebrow: :loser: :doh: :rofl: Ugly.... NOT!!! Beautiful.... HELL YEAH!!!!!

Right before it came out, xB was no where near the top of "public opinions" but look at how beloved it is today.

I like the t2B very much :love: and it will be my next ride if it makes it to production and I predict it will be as least as successful as xB.

This is the impression I got from the headlights.
http://webpages.charter.net/chows/t2B/t2b_concept_1a.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/chows/t2B/Red_TOA.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/mad0260/03-26-05_0956.jpg
took a pic with my phone

I WANT IT!!

not bad i guess i think it needs another fog light

Ill trade my box in for that hands down. Its hot.

Ad-roc :clap:

I'm starting to not like that vapid space above the grille. I think the small size of the headlights makes that look funny.

^^just add a sleak hood ornament and that is taken care of, to tell the truth, it is growing on me more and more

Yeah I still like it, I just think certain things need to be visually tuned before this thing comes anywhere near production.

I'm starting to not like that vapid space above the grille. I think the small size of the headlights makes that look funny.

i agree completely

There's alot of ridiculous hater comments being bandied about here. To say it's bad design because of the doors or an asymetrical foglight is like saying the Ford GT/GT40 is a bad design because it's lower nose slopes forward. Or has poor rear visibilty. It's missing the point.

The T2B's a study in proportions and geometry. It challenges you. It's also a showcar, and I doubt the nutty interior or the sliding door will make production. But if the basic form is the same (and I have the feeling it will be) then I WILL BUY ONE IN A HEARTBEAT. It's one of the freshest designs i've seen in a while. Like a hightech urban assault vehicle style that looks like it's going to unfold into a Gundam at any second. Can't go wrong with that.

I agree with a previous poster that the current Bb is a classic design... but the T2B could become a classic in it's own right. It's good.

Well Its AN Ok Concept But it still needs some work like all concepts this will not be the final version. Here are some Pros, and Cons.

1. Like the exterior, but it is verry limited to upgrades on the looks.
2. looks like it is to heavy, may be not though.
3. Who drives with one fog light other than Ricershttp://www.aseclub.net/phpBB2/images/smiles/ricer.gif
4. they need to make up their minds, I like the Suicide doors, but not the Sliding one.
5. I wanted more Light in the interionr, but I don't want it to look like a GD spaceship.
6. Loss of interior space is a big no.
7. Where the devil is the speedomotor?
8. The Seating doesn't even look comfortable.
9. 2.4L 4Cyl is not enough engin to push or pull that thing around, give it a 6 Cyl and maybe AWD and it might fly, other wise its just another big SUV that is underpowered.

On the other hand WAY TO GO FORD IN TRYING TO RIP OFF THE SCION DESIGHN, WAY TO BE ORIGINAL!!!!!!!!, nextime think in your own box!!!!!!

Just My Opinion

Nico

There's alot of ridiculous hater comments being bandied about here. To say it's bad design because of the doors or an asymetrical foglight is like saying the Ford GT/GT40 is a bad design because it's lower nose slopes forward. Or has poor rear visibilty. It's missing the point.

The T2B's a study in proportions and geometry. It challenges you. It's also a showcar, and I doubt the nutty interior or the sliding door will make production. But if the basic form is the same (and I have the feeling it will be) then I WILL BUY ONE IN A HEARTBEAT. It's one of the freshest designs i've seen in a while. Like a hightech urban assault vehicle style that looks like it's going to unfold into a Gundam at any second. Can't go wrong with that.

I agree with a previous poster that the current Bb is a classic design... but the T2B could become a classic in it's own right. It's good.

OK, so you think its good. But if someone dislikes the doors or the uni-fog, their opinion is a ridiculous hater comment? Right...

I don't like either, but as I said earlier, I don't think its a bad design. Those little details spoil what could be a better car, IMO.

If this is the styling for the next generation xB then bring it on. I wonder if anyone will make a body kit for the present car that mimics the concept

I'm starting to not like that vapid space above the grille. I think the small size of the headlights makes that look funny.
hmm... i can just imagine the future posts when the t2b comes out about rock chips -- as if the current xB is not prone enough to them...

more information from thecarconnection.com (http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8338&sid=1143&n=156)
The t2b concept on the show floor sports far-out features like a power-sliding side door on one flank and suicide doors on the other, an MP3-player dock, twin skylights over the back seats and a tickertape-style dash readout that also shifts its color. A new 2.4-liter powerplant is anticipated for the design.
who has a picture of the twin skylights?

raúl...

I'm starting to not like that vapid space above the grille. I think the small size of the headlights makes that look funny.
hmm... i can just imagine the future posts when the t2b comes out about rock chips -- as if the current xB is not prone enough to them...

I agree. I'll bet the first day you drove it on any highway you would get a rock chip.

I like the concept. I even like the fog light. I don't like the "minivan" sliding door. I also wonder how much body flex it has with the door configuration? I don't like the seats nor the instrument panel. The roof panel lights, moon roof or what ever you call it is cool. The profile looks sleek and has a chopped look to it. But the front and rear need work. Keep the headlights but work on the grill. The rear looks to much like the cube. But overall I like the concept.

I just put a deposit down on mine. Pre ordered through the local dealer.

So when is it gonna be here? 2007? 8)

I don't like the "minivan" sliding door. I also wonder how much body flex it has with the door configuration?
If it's designed from the start to have big openings on the sides (like the RX-8, for instance) then it should not have a problem with body flex. Personally, I like the idea of the sliding door on one side (for curbside pick-ups and drop-offs, or loading and unloading cargo) and the dual doors on the other side.

It doesn't really matter whether people like it or not. The final vehicle will prolly not even resemble this anyway. They always find a way to screw it up. I'm just glad they got the BOX right the first time and it doesn't matter what they come up with. I plan on getting many years of enjoyment out of my ORIGINAL SCION!

It doesn't really matter whether people like it or not.

If it doesn't matter then Scion wasted a lot time making it look like it does at the auto show. They were the only booth..that i saw..actively surveying the crowd as to what they did and didn't like about their design study..they had four or five people with questionnaires asking people a lot of questions about the t2b..which door configuration they liked better..comments on the interior..comments on the glass roof etc...not saying they're going to listen to or even look at the results but that's a lot of work just for the fun of it....

who has a picture of the twin skylights?
http://homepage.mac.com/frankoocasio/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-03-25%2020.46.23%20-0800/Image-5BC568C09DAE11D9.jpg

Anyone have any info on when they will be available for sale to the public and what the price is going to be?

its cool but just remeber its a concept car

more information from thecarconnection.com (http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=8338&sid=1143&n=156)
The t2b concept on the show floor sports far-out features like a power-sliding side door on one flank and suicide doors on the other, an MP3-player dock, twin skylights over the back seats and a tickertape-style dash readout that also shifts its color. A new 2.4-liter powerplant is anticipated for the design.
raúl...

You know, it has occured to me, that the drivers side door is NOT suicide. It just opens REAL wide, like a regular door, only more. A SUICIDE door opens from the FRONT to the REAR.

See, in the day, if you had to jump out of a speeding car, and the door opened front to rear, then you would not be able to jump out, thus causing you to commit suicide.

Now, I will say, that the driver side door opens REAL far. But not from the Front to the Rear.

You know, it has occured to me, that the drivers side door is NOT suicide. It just opens REAL wide, like a regular door, only more. A SUICIDE door opens from the FRONT to the REAR.

See, in the day, if you had to jump out of a speeding car, and the door opened front to rear, then you would not be able to jump out, thus causing you to commit suicide.

Now, I will say, that the driver side door opens REAL far. But not from the Front to the Rear.

That's true, but the rear door does open front to back -- making it a suicide door like those on classic Lincolns or the new Rolls.

Thanks for the laugh. Hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why?
Why now?
Holla!!!!

One must remembeer that the reason Concept cars are even shown to the public is to show that there is a future in that particular manufacturer, and to get the publics oppinion since after all theyu are the ones who are going to be buying them.

This is a cncept car, they did every thing the way that they did to see what the public thinks and to see where they need to chang things to make it what the public wants befor it is even released. This desighn is not the final desighn if it was it would have been released as the Scion T2B new production Vehicle. But it was released as the Scion T2B concept, nad not a production. It'll be a couple of years before every thing gets all hammered out, and the care is finalised, but it did what it is suposed to do and got us all talking.

how hilarious would it be if they released the 2007 toyota supra as a scion.

HERE'S (http://www.urbanracer.com/articles/anmviewer.asp?a=1319&z=3) urbanracer.com's take on the t2b

The most striking characteristic about the t2B is the “Demado”-inspired reverse trapezoidal design. According to designer Jin Kim, who is based at Toyota’s CALTY design center in Southern California, the Demado concept (which means Bay Window in Japanese) lead to the upside down trapezoidal shape (wider at the top than at the bottom of the body).
If you like the dashboard light show, you’ll even like the digital “zipper” that circles the entire interior even more. It produces a continuous light show that circles the interior – yes, definitely polarizing and controversial (like Scion? We say build it, or some form of it.)

Autoweek article on the t2B. (http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102092)

By the time this or something like it comes out, we will have all grown up a little more and as time goes on our collective needs will change. We will have families or bigger families and those that have developed a devotion for the Scion brand will need a vehicle to grow into, so as to stay with the brand.

I personally like this look very much It looks a little bigger yet still has a unique style. I wouldn't change the body a bit and expect the interior will be toned down if it ever makes it to production. I expect it will come stock with 17" wheels and the larger sizes will be available as options. If anything like this makes it to the showroom, Im a buyer. And I am not going to sell either of my boxes. I bought them for for life and will drive them until the platinum warranty wears off and then some! Then the kids get them and they can restore them!

The back looks a little BIG, but hey I like tits...

And the interior is a little much too with the 'ticker' thing... but IT IS a concept...
I'd be intrested in trading my box in for it. Maybe.

I'd bag it!

Lets see what they do...

If they produce this thing I hope they change it a LOT. To say it is fugly would be a compliment. :rofl:

i agree.
big disappointment.
missed opportunity.

A lot of opinions will change (and changes will be made to the concept) before it becomes a production vehicle. I did some research on the t2B and the Toyota Porte and found some interesting similarities like the snub-nose front, tall profile, large glass area, movable seats and, of course, the sliding passenger door. I have no doubt that the production t2B will keep all of those features, but will also get real-worldsized wheels, more normal looking lights and an interior more reminiscent of the current Scion models. Although Scion is saying officially that the t2B would be on a unique platform, the dimensions and engine are the same as the tC. I would not be surprised if the t2B and tC end up being as similar as the xA and xB.

THIS (http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/retro/replicas/index.php#japans-mini-vw-micro-bus-replicas-037720l) particular article about the replica van phase going on in Japan would mean that those citroen kits would fit rather well on the t2b
http://www6.shizuokanet.ne.jp/usr/sesam/Avec/avecgallery/_gif_avec/av-3-p-0020_2.gif
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/t2b/images/t2B_concept_vehicle_04.jpg

The car is not -- repeat, is not -- a candidate for production. Bolain said Scion they created the project as a way to deliver the "element of surprise" that Scion has become known for.

Thank God, that way I can't get ____ed off everytime I see one passing me by in my xB while going up hill or against the wind. (Thus resulting in me shooting the bird at cha) :!:


Part of listening to their customers takes the form of web surfing. Bolain recommended the independent site Scion Life as a place to get a good handle on the car company's burgeoning enthusaist community.

So they ARE listening... :ponder:

"It's great because it's a feedback mechanism we didn't have before," Bolain said, adding that when he gets back to Torrance, Scion Life will be one of his first stops.

Okay Mr. Bolain. If you would be so kind, please read this thread here... there are many like it, but this is a good starting point. :lalala:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30013&highlight=paint






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Ipod. Is this the scion Steve was talking about. the t2b and ipod adaptor. Looks kick ___.

Those headlights are HOT!, everything else sucks, sorry

THIS (http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/retro/replicas/index.php#japans-mini-vw-micro-bus-replicas-037720l) particular article about the replica van phase going on in Japan would mean that those citroen kits would fit rather well on the t2b
http://www6.shizuokanet.ne.jp/usr/sesam/Avec/avecgallery/_gif_avec/av-3-p-0020_2.gif
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/t2b/images/t2B_concept_vehicle_04.jpg

Whoa are those replica vans based on current jdm microvans? Them's crazy!!!

Whoa are those replica vans based on current jdm microvans? Them's crazy!!!
Yeah, read all about them at that link. Or this link (http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/retro/replicas/index.php#japans-mini-vw-micro-bus-replicas-037720l). I would definitely have something like that if they came to the U.S. The replacement bodies are only like $1000!

i pretty much like everything about it, however reference the image above; can you say down syndrome? haha. but seriously i love it, but it sucks because i don't know if i would get the truck or the box (if it ever goes into production). don't talk to me about the fastback (aztek anyone?).

as for the people complaining about the interior, why waste your breath??? it will obviously never, EVER look anything like that. of course they will in some way keep the productivity and electronic support if they ever make it. the panel lights might come as an option (such as interior led on the box now) who knows?

good observation about it looking like the predator mask, i have to say the thing looks pretty evil - anyone "if you make it, they will buy it".

Hello everyone, This is my first post here...

I saw the t2B concept at autoblog today, all I can say is wow.

Despite all the negative things people (Including many on this board) are saying about this car, I absolutely love it.

Why?

It’s clean, it’s chopped, the wheels are moved to the very front and back of the car, it’s low slung, the doors are fine (Although I don’t see why they couldn’t have a sliding driver’s door too [this could make getting out of your car in a crowed parking lot easier])

Am I the only one who looks at this and sees a modern version of a 1932 coupe? Look at it, the fender flares, it’s near perfection.

The exterior is perfect, I swear, I wouldn’t change a thing, I like the single light idea. I don’t like the interior, but heaven knows that wouldn’t be production.

If Toyota builds it, I’m buying one... If not, I’m buying a Nissan Cube when they hit the US.

The xA just wasn’t popping for me, and the TC looks like every other car on the road. The xB is great, but it has nothing on the t2B.

Let me tell you, I have a 1996 GEO tracker, it’s the perfect size, and the shape is nice, I’ve been driving it for a while, and had no interest in buying a another car untill that Tracker breaks, but this thing got my attention, and everyone I showed it to liked it, including the same people who I showed the xB two years ago and said it was the ugliest car they ever seen.

The car is smooth, it’s a box yes, but it is a well rounded sporty box. The hood is the right size for the rest of the car, the length is great, and the seating problem in the back could be fixed by moving the seats back into the cargo area (dua.)

So in conclusion, before you diss this thing, look at it again. Think about how nice this thing would look as a vintage hot rod?

It might look like this...
http://www.drakegta.com/sciont2b.jpg


ahmen!!! for those people who can't figure out where the styling cues came from just read above. it is a true homage to the 32 coupe. first thing i thought when i saw that was updated vintage hotrod, i've had that idea for a long time (wondering why don't these hotrod builders don't add new styling for a change of pace) leave it scion to do it for me! :)

ahmen!!! for those people who can't figure out where the styling cues came from just read above. it is a true homage to the 32 coupe. first thing i thought when i saw that was updated vintage hotrod, i've had that idea for a long time (wondering why don't these hotrod builders don't add new styling for a change of pace) leave it scion to do it for me! :)
looks more like a '26 Ford T
but yeah, its cool that the such a strong american hotrod design theme is referenced in the t2b without being retro. guess we're the new generation of 'cool cats'
raúl...
http://www.detailmaster.com/26_ford_left_side%20t-sedan%20bob.jpg
http://www.drakegta.com/sciont2b.jpg

first thing i would want to do is a chop job up front have it slope more back to front... omg that would be so sweet

someoone photoshop that! :)

I think we got something here...Brothers! The t2B is the honda Ridgeline's little brother.
http://www.lospolifuncionales.com/imagenes/honda-ridgeline.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/t2b/images/t2B_concept_vehicle_04.jpg :P

I don't like the angles---I prefer the BOX!

wow shiet it looks nice im down to buy it wen it comes out hahaha =D

That thing is FUGLY! The only decent about it is the suicide doors!

If they have it in orange and the reviews are good. I'm getting one.

I really think the should take it back. :rofl:
Holla at chu boy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I WANT ONE JUST THE WAY IT IS!!!!

Where the hell is the radio?

Iwould hardly call it a concept for an all new car, it just looks like a futurized xB, and I am not a fan of it

I like it. It's very Scion to me.

drop it like its hot

Hey all,

Keep the comments coming. Believe it or not, Scion, Calty and the rest of us read this all the time and good or bad all the comments are taken as serious input towards future projects.

Having built this particular Show Car at Five Axis, it also means a lot to us to hear what you all have to say. Hey it is a free country and whatever you say is your right. It takes a lot to insult us anyway. However, we still have to acknowledge the absolutely "clueless" comments from those who just say stuff to make noise. :bow:

It cracks me up, I have to admit, what some of you say about this car. Guess it's just me.... having been around so many concepts and customs, it's easy pick apart any car. AND.... That's what these cars ARE for.... to get you guys fired up and to invite praise and criticism.

Let's hear more.... you'll be amazed at how some of this may influence the next Scion.

Later,

wow, when I read ^that^ the voice I had in my head was the voice of GOD from Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail, I had the vision of the clouds and the marionette mouth movements too. that is WAY cool to know that Scion actually cares what we say, I mean some people say they care, but you guys actally do. Oh and i have to say, I love the Exterior, the interior is a little un comfortable, it is a little too 'Welcome to Mercy Medical' to me I expect to hear pages for nurses and have to remove my clothes and wait 45 minutes for a doctor. And the lights all around, wont those be distracting for the driver, I mean driving at night, and having those lights all around you, would hurt your eyes, trying to focus on the dark road, but your eyes not letting enough light in because it is so bright inside the car. The rest I love, man, imagine a Woody version of that, and we thought the xb woody kicked a$$.

Look, I think the car grows on you, that is for sure. But the one thing I love more then anything, is that 'EXIT' sign. THAT has to stay. If it does, I'll buy one in a New York Minute.

damn..people read this???? :clap:
Anyway.... Does these mean some type of box vehicle be available post 06? As I will ready to purchase my next vehicle then :tap:

This makes me wanna wait....i get my permit in 3 months...if this was really coming out id wait in a second.

Have they released a view of the actual vehical they will sell? And When?

it will never be for sale.