There is a shop near me that will custom build a turbo kit for the xB if there is enough interest. I am good friends with these people and they are willing to invest the time to fab something. They are very reputable and know exactly what they are doing. If interested please send me a PM. Keep in mind that it has not been made yet but could be with enough interest.

What are their plans for the fuel management which seems to be the Achilles heel of all the FI endeavors so far?

no sure yet. We have only started this in the last day or two and we want to know what kind of demand there is for it. at the end of the week I will write down any and all questions and ask the tec.

let me tell you the demand is high. the only problem is there has been a turbo kit around for some time now. they never put it into production as the fuel management has to be worked out. with the stock fuel and 6-8lbs of boost, the motor lasted 6 months daily driven until a rod snapped. basically the internals have to be built to hold the boost

for some reason i keep hearing horror storys about people bending rods and stuff, why doesnt someone just come out with new ones already

what kit was it and what fuel management was used do you know?

It's not the strength of the rods, it's the offset angle of the crank. It aids in economy, but doesn't work well with boost. They designed the motor to run as is...

Why can't someone come up with an ITB setup? Push the 1.5 to the NA max.

Before everyone asks, ITB= Individual Throttle Body

It's not the strength of the rods, it's the offset angle of the crank. It aids in economy, but doesn't work well with boost. They designed the motor to run as is...Exactly the 15 degree offset puts the wrist pin in an awkwards position/angle and can fail under boost.

so that would be an even cheaper fix then buying all new rods? there has to be something to correct this

Basically, I'd like to know how they would handle the fuel management, new higher flowing injectors, rods, and what psi they plan on running. We all know the engine can't handle anything above 7 psi max.

"Ya know what, I got one of dem idears. Yeah, its my idear and no one elses. "

Is that Paul Sr? :lol:

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"Ya know what, I got one of dem idears. Yeah, its my idear and no one elses. "

Is that Paul Sr? :lol:

:bow: YES! You will never know how many people have been contacting me trying to figure that out. Nice idear, eh?

The car can live in boost over 7lbs. The problem is, the static C/R + boost pressure makes a completely absurd final corrected C/R... it's FAR too high w/o removing timing or adding some sort of knock suppression.

The rod/piston setup aren't very forgiving when it comes to knock.

for those that have questions please PM Me and I will get answers for you. BTW: Im 99% sure fuel management will be e-manage

I added 2 extra injectors with management for those. Booster pump inline.

I added 2 extra injectors with management for those. Booster pump inline.

Yuck. I scrapped my auxilary injectors a WHILE ago.

So what are you doing now?

So what are you doing now?

Fuel: Walbro 255LPH intank, return line, 310cc Celica GT-S injectors, 1:1 RRFPR, GReddy emanage w/support tool/injector harness/ignition harness.

Turbo: Left over TSI kit piping modified to fit correctly, front mount from TSI kit, Precison GT28R, custom stainless manifold.

Engine: TBA...

Drivetrain: Stock tranny/axles, SPEC Stage 3 clutch.

Any more questions ? :P

Anyone want to buy my Garrett T20 and cast manifold?

So what are you doing now?

Fuel: Walbro 255LPH intank, return line, 310cc Celica GT-S injectors, 1:1 RRFPR, GReddy emanage w/support tool/injector harness/ignition harness.

Turbo: Left over TSI kit piping modified to fit correctly, front mount from TSI kit, Precison GT28R, custom stainless manifold.

Engine: TBA...

Drivetrain: Stock tranny/axles, SPEC Stage 3 clutch.

Any more questions ? :P

Anyone want to buy my Garrett T20 and cast manifold?

I got tons of questions.

1st: what is the stock injectors, and are the GT-S injectors drop in?
2nd: why using a 1:1 RRFPR? I though most honda type are something in the ball park of 12:1, or 8:1?
3rd: Are you running the injectors straight off the E-manage?
4th: How was the TSI kit? have any picturse of this kit installed?
5th: Who did your custom SS manifold? have pictures of this?
6: Are you building your block? If so, got any tips on what to look for, or where to source parts so I don't need to custom order all the parts, or is everything custom made? Like Cunning rods, Arias pistons?
7: Got any #'s for the TSI kit? How well does this kit rank up? It's relitivaly cheap, and looks to be a decent bargain. Does this kit fit a bean (xa)?

Got pics of the cast manifold and Garrett T20?

In regards to the above:

1st: what is the stock injectors, and are the GT-S injectors drop in?
A: 200cc give or take a few, and the 2zz injectors drop in

2nd: why using a 1:1 RRFPR? I though most honda type are something in the ball park of 12:1, or 8:1?
A: Line pressures that high can make things leak, o-rings, etc... 1:1 is to fight manifold pressures to ensure that you get consistant relative fuel pressure at any manifold pressure.

3rd: Are you running the injectors straight off the E-manage?
A: The injector harness connects to the fuel injector wires, forcing a higher duty cycle if needed.

4th: How was the TSI kit? have any picturse of this kit installed?
A: The TSI kit was built in Taiwan for a Toyota Vios. It does not fit correctly, and is poorly engineered. I have posted pics in the past, and will again if you like.

5th: Who did your custom SS manifold? have pictures of this?
A: Rev Industries out of Schenectady, NY. They are friends of mine. No pictures at this time.

6: Are you building your block? If so, got any tips on what to look for, or where to source parts so I don't need to custom order all the parts, or is everything custom made? Like Cunning rods, Arias pistons?
A: This one no, but I'm building a 2nd one. Paeco will build a set of pistons for $380-420, and rods for $240 each. I thought about doing CP pistons and Crower rods, they should all be CUSTOM at this point as far as I know.

7: Got any #'s for the TSI kit? How well does this kit rank up? It's relitivaly cheap, and looks to be a decent bargain. Does this kit fit a bean (xa)?
A: Supposedly a 56% gain @ 6psi, if the quality was good the kit would be a hit. The fuel management had to be scrapped. Maybe it will fit an xA because it sure as hell didn't fit an xB.

Got pics of the cast manifold and Garrett T20?
A: I'll snap some when im in the garage next.

JD,

Thanks

JD,

Thanks

No problem, when I am ready to reveal the new setup I will post pictures. Most likely, it will be revealed @ a northeast Scion meet this summer.

So what are you doing now?

Fuel: Walbro 255LPH intank, return line, 310cc Celica GT-S injectors, 1:1 RRFPR, GReddy emanage w/support tool/injector harness/ignition harness.

Turbo: Left over TSI kit piping modified to fit correctly, front mount from TSI kit, Precison GT28R, custom stainless manifold.

Engine: TBA...

Drivetrain: Stock tranny/axles, SPEC Stage 3 clutch.

Any more questions ? :P

Anyone want to buy my Garrett T20 and cast manifold?

OH :shock: OH!...... I'm having a cargasim!

wow, is there any interest, yes, but the problem is that they think its a good idea. i couldnt tell you how many ships say that they are going to bring out a kit, hell ive had two shops swear up and down that they were gonna test bed off my car....they are full of crap....dont tell us if they ahve an "idea" to make one. tell us once they have started testing

brent

they have already orderd the intercooler, turbo, and are wanting a xB from DFW to come out so they can the piping figured out, if you want to put your car up pm me. Price is gonna be about 3.5k

^^uhm Who in their right mind is going to pay them to have them use thier car as a lab rat? if they were going to be doing all kinds of crazy un-tested things to my car, they would have to pay me, unless I'm wrong, we all love our cars to much to have potentaily damaging crap put in them.

nah i'd let them do it for free , lol.

its not dangerous. These guys work on RX7s and supras all the time they have the experince and know how and wouldn't take this on if they didn't think it would work.

^^uhm Who in their right mind is going to pay them to have them use thier car as a lab rat? if they were going to be doing all kinds of crazy un-tested things to my car, they would have to pay me, unless I'm wrong, we all love our cars to much to have potentaily damaging crap put in them.

things are not like the old days now.

Pro's will always run the car rich as hell, and then slowly lean it back. They have wide band 02's and knock sensors to find the safe spots. Things have changed. If I only pay for parts, I wouldn't mind letting them experiment as long as I know they are capable of doing it. I wouldn't let any back door shop do it, that's for sure.

still, it would at least have to be free. and 3.5K does not sound like it is just parts.....but I could be wrong
and txcamobox----if they work on RX7's and Supra's all day, it does not sound like they have much experience with an xB.....dont get me wrong, I am very interested in the turbo, it just does not seem right to have to pay to have your car experimented on. every body makes mistakes, and every experiment has glitches... "the best layed plans of mice and men, often go awry." I will keep watching for when it comes out for real.

oh, and were are you located txcamobox? I mean,Where is the shop?

The shop is off TX 377.

I mean the city, I am moving to austin this week, and dont know my way around yet, sorry.

Is the turbo really worth the money for it? Kinda slow to begin with I cant imagine it getting much quicker..

Ft. Worth/Dallas and with stock internals your looking at about 140whp.

I want it more and more every day, I am def. going to have to pick one up!

Is the turbo really worth the money for it? Kinda slow to begin with I cant imagine it getting much quicker..

You make no sense. Please refrain from posting idiotic comments. You obviously know nothing about forced induction.

:loser:

I know plenty about forced induction. I have a 69 Dart supercharged 780hp and a blown 67 firebird convertable 580hp. I am asking is there that big a difference. like are we talkin a 19 sec. car down to a 18 sec car..? That doesn't seem worth 4k to do..I dont think you have a clue on what fast is....

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2128687543

Just in case you thought i was bullsh!!ing about my cars, here is the Dart, and if you would like I will put up pix of the firebird....

i think it's more of the fact that spenind $4k to get 50% more hp is not bad. is's like saying your dart being able to get 1100 hp for $4000...which might be possible, but it's the dollar to power ratio(by %)

I know these car's are ment to be rockets, and they will never be, unless somebody decides to make the power to weight ration able to beat cars like a turbo s2k, or a 1k hp supra.

I can tell you from experience that a turbo xb is a lot faster than a stock xb. I'm looking at maybe mid 15's with my auto xb, instead of a mid 18. I made 130whp at 7-9psi. If i bought a new xb i would definately with no questions asked put a turbo on that one too. They need it and it makes it a completely different experience. People can say it's not worth the money, it's all what YOU'RE looking for. I was looking for a little more performance and a turbo is the way to go.

I completely agree with you...I would love for my Xb to be quicker, however I did buy it for reliability and mileage. I just worry about the stress from the turbo or supercharger on the engine that wasn't built for speed...Can the engine hold up?

^^did you even read the first page, or did you just kinda jump and post?

I completely agree with you...I would love for my Xb to be quicker, however I did buy it for reliability and mileage. I just worry about the stress from the turbo or supercharger on the engine that wasn't built for speed...Can the engine hold up?

I know what fast is. My friend Jesse from Rev Industries has a Civic hatch that runs 10s... I have a buddy named Charlie w/ a 69 Road Runner thats in the deep 10s, high 9s... I know a guy named Russel (if you race you may know him) w/ an 1800HP twin T76 Camaro that is STREET DRIVEN (parachutes and all) and does 7.70's w/ his wife driving... then theres Shawn, with his 12.1 sec VR4... my cousin's 12.4 sec DSM...

I have a grasp on speed, my car would run 14s last year, this year I hope to get into the 13s soon enough.

GT28!? There's gotta terrible turbo lag on that puppy! I personally would only run a T20, no larger, if i boosted. I ran a ball bearing T25 on my 02 civic. Perfect in my opinion given displacment + turbine sizes.

yeah i'd run t20 or t25

New news is it is going to be about 1.9k for the kit. Any questions feel free to pm me and I'll find out.

Is the turbo really worth the money for it? Kinda slow to begin with I cant imagine it getting much quicker..

You make no sense. Please refrain from posting idiotic comments. You obviously know nothing about forced induction.

:loser:

Actually, he makes perfect sense. This an an econobox to begin with. Besides the engine limitations, you have the other parts of the driveline to consider. Say you make some reasonable power, then you have to contend with a tranny/diff, clutch that wont be up to the task. Not to mention half shafts, etc...

Just because someone makes a turbo for it doesn't mean its an engineered solution for the whole car.

Any updates on this kit?

GT28!? There's gotta terrible turbo lag on that puppy! I personally would only run a T20, no larger, if i boosted. I ran a ball bearing T25 on my 02 civic. Perfect in my opinion given displacment + turbine sizes.

What the hell kind of Civic actually liked a t25??????? That's undersized for a high revving motor like that.

I HAVE a T20, and I took it off because it spooled full @ 1800RPMS but it ran out of steam in the higher revs. A GT28R isn't that big, especially when I run 15+psi after the rebuild. A GT28R will out spool a T25 on the same motor, it's new technology -- plus its dual ball bearing.

If you want a T20, you can make me an offer for mine. It comes with a manifold too.

the t20 was fully spooled at 1800 on the little 1nzfe? or in the civic?



only 1900 for the turbo kit eh? thats not bad at all.

the t20 was fully spooled at 1800 on the little 1nzfe? or in the civic?



only 1900 for the turbo kit eh? thats not bad at all.

On the 1nz-fe. A T20 is too small for any modern Honda as well.

soon to be turbo

I added 2 extra injectors with management for those. Booster pump inline. How did it run then? Satisfied with the added injector setup?

I HAVE a T20, and I took it off because it spooled full @ 1800RPMS but it ran out of steam in the higher revs.
It spooled that low on a 1.5 liter engine? At what rpm did it flatten out?