so my car is in for warranty right now because of a check engine light related to clylinder number one misfiring. they now believe it is a bent valve so they have to disassemble the head. the problem is, they are making me sigh an agreement that says if warranty doesnt cover it because of possible abuse or modification, then i will have to pay the labor of $900. the problem is they say that if i abused the engine, due to overrevving (which the service rep says in our engine will very commonly make the pistons slap the valves, causing them to bend) or if i modified/tampered with it, warranty is void and i have to pay it. but what voids the warranty? he told me that there are signs that i have "tampered" with it. he says rounded off bolts and such. i told him that i have opened up the intake box to look at it, but that wont void the warranty. the only other thing i have done is that i have removed the valve cover. can they blame that on me saying that it causes my check engine light. i need to know asap because i am going in tomorrow morning to sign the papers. if i sign, i run the risk of them knowing that i have ran nitrous. if i dont let them, they will automatically know that i did something, most likely flagging the car. HELP PLEASE

You just told everyone that you modified it in a way that would void our warranty

ok i dont see how that helped ^ of course he did... he wants help :rofl:


i would go in there, sign the papers, and bite the bullet and hope your good. worst comes to worst, you can fight it. all of this stuff will probably be up to the head tech as to whether its covered. unless its blantantly obvious that you messed it up, then theres always some "gray space" where its just the techs opinion. then maybe it could get thrown out. i would just say sign it, and pray :pray:

you've got my prays. best of luck. Scotty :pray:

You just told everyone that you modified it in a way that would void our warranty
yea i did. thats why i wanted to know if they can tell that i did. i dont think that removing the valve cover would void our warrarnty, which is mainly the thing i did. but the fact that i ran nitrous...is that detectable? thats more of what i am asking. all the parts have been removed and there are no physical signs that i can see. i ran about 14-15 lbs through it. would there be any internal signs?

I don't know anything about Nitrous but maybe some residue from it could be left in the cylinder heads or somewhere along the block. I'm sure if they did some DNA testing on the block, they'd find it. lol

what they said ... um btw hope the head tech doesnt read this board ... as this is not a common malfunction of this motor ... um daaaa....
and besides putting n.o.s. system on a 108 hp motor ?? thats like buying a moped to race a porsche ... wtf?

thats not that much. and ya, it made it run a little bit harder for what 20 seconds at a time? its probably not even going to be noticed. if you drag raced the ____ outta it maybe.... but for the most part it should just look worn, not abused

what they said ... um btw hope the head tech doesnt read this board ... as this is not a common malfunction of this motor ... um daaaa....
and besides putting n.o.s. system on a 108 hp motor ?? thats like buying a moped to race a porsche ... wtf?
i do know some techs are on the boards, and i was hoping that one of them will respond to this. and the service rep did tell me that a bent valve is common if you overrev the engine.
thats not that much. and ya, it made it run a little bit harder for what 20 seconds at a time? its probably not even going to be noticed. if you drag raced the ____ outta it maybe.... but for the most part it should just look worn, not abused
yea. i ran it for less than 15 seconds at a time. the most was probably around 13-14. i did drag the car, only twice on the track and of course i ran some people on the streets.

This post = dumb. You ran nitrous and you think you can cake walk this???? OMG are you high? They will totally know, if they don't already. They are setting you up to take the blame by signing such nonsense. They just want YOU to take responsibility.

Come on! To ruin such a small engine like this can not happen stock. Or if you did screw it up, it still is your fault and has nothing to do with warranty... wear and tear....

Take it like a man. You aren't going to get away with this unless you are a total kiss ___ and smooth talk your way out of this saying ____ like your dog just died and you are dying from a rare disease in less then a month and all you wish for is your tC to be fixed. You have a smoking gun and they totally know it.

My dad said that it would cost them way too much money to even be able to detect the nitrous b/c of how clean it burns. I wouldnt mention anything about the nitrous b/c they wont find any evidence unless they spends thousands of dollars on getting it tested.

My dad said that it would cost them way too much money to even be able to detect the nitrous b/c of how clean it burns. I wouldnt mention anything about the nitrous b/c they wont find any evidence unless they spends thousands of dollars on getting it tested.

That is not true. they can plug and play the ecm and know what the hell was going on.

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This post = dumb. You ran nitrous and you think you can cake walk this???? OMG are you high? They will totally know, if they don't already. They are setting you up to take the blame by signing such nonsense. They just want YOU to take responsibility.

Come on! To ruin such a small engine like this can not happen stock. Or if you did screw it up, it still is your fault and has nothing to do with warranty... wear and tear....

Take it like a man. You aren't going to get away with this unless you are a total kiss ___ and smooth talk your way out of this saying ____ like your dog just died and you are dying from a rare disease in less then a month and all you wish for is your tC to be fixed. You have a smoking gun and they totally know it.
i am not high. just trying to find a decent answer to my problems as to save myself $900. if i cant get away with it, im not going to do it...ill just get another motor, it would be like $400 cheaper anyways. and i have an xB by the way, not a tC. and for your informantion, a bent valve can happen stock. like the service rep said...all you have to do to this engine is over rev it and BAM...a bent valve and no warranty.

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My dad said that it would cost them way too much money to even be able to detect the nitrous b/c of how clean it burns. I wouldnt mention anything about the nitrous b/c they wont find any evidence unless they spends thousands of dollars on getting it tested.


That is not true. they can plug and play the ecm and know what the hell was going on.


really? thats all it takes? so they probably did this already and just are f*cking with me? how do they tell that i ran nitrous? i know its not going to say "NITROUS USED". i plugged in a diagnostic, a SNAP-ON MOTIS and it didnt say anything. but im not sure if this is even close to the power of the program they use

they are not going to be able to tell that there was nitrous used in the system as I said. In the case of the ECU they might be able to tell that there was a sudden burst of energy in the engine or some parameter may not seem right but they are going to need some concrete proof (like nitrous) to prove that it was a shot of Nitro that caused. Coulda been a sudden burst of energy from having to rev??

see the problem is that if you look under your warranty, it states if you "abuse" your engine that it will void the warrarnty. so they can basically void my warranty based on the assumption that i "abused" my engine...ie any sort of stress on the internals of the engine.
also, the ecu is a closed loop so it resets itself to the factory settings. meaning if i do boost and the a/f ratio changes, it will reset it. therefore not being able to read use from the ecu.
toyota has fullproofed their warranty. anytime they want to void it due to "abuse" they can just say that it was over revved or driven to hard and *poof* no more warranty

just say that one day the gear slipped and went back into neutral and that caused an overly high rev situation.

And don't we have a rev limiter? Shouldn't that protect against this? Make them explain why it wouldn't...

As for having you sign the estimate, they will do that on most repair visits. I don't think it's a set-up. When you take your car in for many things, they will write an estimate of like $100 in case its not covered under warranty. Time is money...

i am pretty sure we have a rev limiter. unless he took it off or reprogrammed the ecu. sounds like he knows what he is doing....somewhat....kinda....sorta.....maybe

if i sign, i run the risk of them knowing that i have ran nitrous.

So you're trying to get Toyota to fix your car for free even though you willfully modified your engine in a way that voids the warranty? What was it again you needed help with?

i am pretty sure we have a rev limiter. unless he took it off or reprogrammed the ecu. sounds like he knows what he is doing....somewhat....kinda....sorta.....maybe
yes i have a rev limiter. i was talking to a friend and he said that its not fullproof. for instance if you accidentally go from 5th to 2nd, the rev limiter is not going to catch that and you will over rev your engine.
And don't we have a rev limiter? Shouldn't that protect against this? Make them explain why it wouldn't...

As for having you sign the estimate, they will do that on most repair visits. I don't think it's a set-up. When you take your car in for many things, they will write an estimate of like $100 in case its not covered under warranty. Time is money...
$100 would be ok if they were doing it just to cover themselves. but they are asking $900. thats a whole lot. i can get like 2 echo motors for that price. which i might have to do.

So you're trying to get Toyota to fix your car for free even though you willfully modified your engine in a way that voids the warranty? What was it again you needed help with?
yes, that is what i am doing. the question is wil they be able to detect that i willfully modified my engine. and i dont like the fact that they can just claim that you "abused" your engine and your warranty is void. basically its a way for them to get out. IF i didnt do this and i still had the same problem with a bent valve, which can happen if you misshift, then i void my warranty.

Just because you ran the juice, it doesn't mean that this was the reason for the bent valve.

right. but regardless...it seems like they can just pin the "abuse" on me and the warranty goes. thats why im wondering if its worth having them take it apart and risk the $900 if they do void it

If I was you, I would bite the bullet and sign. If they charge you $900 to fix your motor- big deal, you F'ed it up, fix it!

And BTW, it will cost more than $900 to replace your motor!

if i sign, i run the risk of them knowing that i have ran nitrous.

So you're trying to get Toyota to fix your car for free even though you willfully modified your engine in a way that voids the warranty? What was it again you needed help with?I would guess, he needs help in figuring out a way to lie to TOYOTA.
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Look, seriously, I'm sorry this happened to you, but you got to know, you mess with something that voids the warranty, you gonna pay the price...It's just that simple.

Take this for what it's worth but my uncle is a mechanic and he worked on my car all the time (not my scion but my sports cars) and I asked him to install NOS in my Mustang and if there was any way to test for it when it came to inspecion times. He told me the only way to detect it is if it shows up in the chip as a spike in heat, power, speed and if they are suspicious of NOS they would have to do a forensics test to try and find a sample of the NOS in your engine or where you might have stored the bottle. I wouldn't worry about it. Get what they dealer said in writing about that being a common problem with the heads so if need be you could take them to court about it.

If I was you, I would bite the bullet and sign. If they charge you $900 to fix your motor- big deal, you F'ed it up, fix it!

And BTW, it will cost more than $900 to replace your motor!
actually..it would cost like 400 to get a used motor. i know i messed it up. just trying to find a way around it.

Take this for what it's worth but my uncle is a mechanic and he worked on my car all the time (not my scion but my sports cars) and I asked him to install NOS in my Mustang and if there was any way to test for it when it came to inspecion times. He told me the only way to detect it is if it shows up in the chip as a spike in heat, power, speed and if they are suspicious of NOS they would have to do a forensics test to try and find a sample of the NOS in your engine or where you might have stored the bottle. I wouldn't worry about it. Get what they dealer said in writing about that being a common problem with the heads so if need be you could take them to court about it.
i think ill just talk to the service rep tomorrow. i just feel that if they want to void it they have the power to, just with that one word "Abuse". its definately not worth $900 for me to find out if they decide to void it or not. im leaning towards just saying no. ill let u guys know tomorrow how it went

if i sign, i run the risk of them knowing that i have ran nitrous.

So you're trying to get Toyota to fix your car for free even though you willfully modified your engine in a way that voids the warranty? What was it again you needed help with?I would guess, he needs help in figuring out a way to lie to TOYOTA.
:rofl:


Look, seriously, I'm sorry this happened to you, but you got to know, you mess with something that voids the warranty, you gonna pay the price...It's just that simple.
well if i can get away with it, i will. if not, then i will pay to have it fixed. im a poor college student...hahaha...i can't afford $900 to have them tell me that its not gonna be covered

$400 for a used motor with high miles mabey. but then you have to install it. I know everyone on here is ragging on you, but I would suck ___ to the dealership, and mabey the tech is having a bad day and dosent notice what you have done....

Ok so u you juiced it and now its broken so basically you play you pay we all make mistakes in life but some of us just take it in stride. If I were you i would just act like you have no clue how it happened because bottom line the customer is always right and being able to be happy enough to recommend a dealership to another is there best advertisement so they will do what will make you happy and keep you that way so that business moves on. Dealers have mechanics on staff because all cars breakdown so dont sweat it just play stupid :lalala: act like you were driving on the highway and you were passing a truck then you felt it hesitating or whatever the symptoms are . Figure it out it will work out for you.



humpty

i went to the dealership and the guy asked me if i did anything. i said no. he said that it is most likely a bent intake valve. they are tearing apart the motor as we speak. we shall see how it turns out

Keeping my fingers crossed for you...

My fingers are crossed for you too... and to see you NO-s your box... you're pretty damn hard core.

thanks for the support guys. i guess i will hear from them tomorrow.

just if you wanted to know for replacement parts: head=2800, shortblock=4000. so even if they don't warranty it, i dont want it fixed. ill just swap or something

What goes around, comes around.

I'm really surprised the dealership didn't grill you a little more on this. "Overreving" or not, it's REALLY hard to break one of these motors.

The good news for you is that the service department probably wants Toyota to pay for the work too (they pay more). Most Service departments are not the Gestappo or anything, they just want work so they can pay their guys. They will probably overlook the information the OBDII computer tells them because of that (and they CAN tell with the computer).

Usually when they talk about "abuse" it means "lack of maintainance," not "racing" or whatever.

Now, with all that said, you know you broke your motor and are weaseling out of it. That's some bad karma dude. I wouldn't try it if it were me, but I wouldn't stress my little motor like that either.

Just my .02.

-Alex

As a business owner, I am very opinionated regarding "warranty" work. Most people seem to believe that, if they can get away with something, they should do it. That doesn't excuse your actions here. If you have to pay, take it like a man. You made your choices and you're taking your chances. No one else should have to pay for your choices. If you pull that stuff in my shop, it comes out of MY pocket. That's stealing, pure and simple.

Assuming that what he did actually caused the problem. I highly doubt it is the first bent valve on a 1nzfe. Things happen, that's why there's a warranty to begin with.

Assuming that what he did actually caused the problem. I highly doubt it is the first bent valve on a 1nzfe. Things happen, that's why there's a warranty to begin with.

Yes, and the service department gets to make the call on that. :P

Wow. So I'm guessing a supercharger/turbocharger is out of the question if I'm still under warranty HEHE

As a business owner, I am very opinionated regarding "warranty" work. Most people seem to believe that, if they can get away with something, they should do it. That doesn't excuse your actions here. If you have to pay, take it like a man. You made your choices and you're taking your chances. No one else should have to pay for your choices. If you pull that stuff in my shop, it comes out of MY pocket. That's stealing, pure and simple.
i am gonna pay if it comes down to it. i just dont want to pay $950 when i can get a used echo motor for $500. cuz that $950 means the engine is still screwed up, thast just paying for a diagnosis.

i don't believe that if anyone else screwed up their motor by over revving or using nitrous, they wouldnt first try warrantying it. but its in the shop now. i gave them the go ahead. hopefully we can learn from this. don't run the squeeze too hard.

The problem isn't how to get Toyota to pay for something you caused. The problem is a lack of integrity on the part of someone that would cause damage to an engine via a modification and then lie to Toyota in an attempt to get free repairs for an issue clearly not covered under warranty.

We always gripe and complain when a company or individual treats us in an unethical manner, but as long as it is happening to someone else so many of us just say ok, good luck. Ah well, I guess this isn't a good board for the discussion of ethics and I'll try to forget about this thread the next time I think Toyota is charging me too much for a repair that isn't covered under warranty. :eyebrow:

For what it's worth, tell them the truth and see how much this is going to cost you. Who knows, maybe they will be so thrilled with your honesty, they won't add the total right.

I would have to agree with the above on this one. just be honest about it. I always found that they are very nice to you when you are honest. Because they can tell if you did NOS. And if they catch you in that lie they might add on a couple extra charges in the diagnostics or something. But if you are honest they might just "forget" that they fixed a few of your things.

I used to be a mechanic and it really torqued me when someone lied to me because it is rather easy to tell who lies and abuses their cars. Just a warning.

Okay, I just have to know. What did your nitrous-boosted xB run in the quarter mile? I mean, my gut feeling on it is that nitrous would be more for bragging rights than any substantial performance gain.

And as long as the rev limiter was working I don't see how nitrous would hurt it - worst that would happen is that it runs lean. But that can't lead to mechanical damage unless you were racing it a lot more than you said you were.

I would have to agree with the above on this one. just be honest about it. I always found that they are very nice to you when you are honest. Because they can tell if you did NOS. And if they catch you in that lie they might add on a couple extra charges in the diagnostics or something. But if you are honest they might just "forget" that they fixed a few of your things.

I used to be a mechanic and it really torqued me when someone lied to me because it is rather easy to tell who lies and abuses their cars. Just a warning.
i am just trying to see if it will be fixable. if i have to pay for it, then i will. from what i have heard, using 15lbs wouldnt be detectable. could you tell me how you would tell that i used nitrous on the motor? i signed to pay $950 for the diagnostic if they don't warranty it. i am prepared for the worst already.

Okay, I just have to know. What did your nitrous-boosted xB run in the quarter mile? I mean, my gut feeling on it is that nitrous would be more for bragging rights than any substantial performance gain.

And as long as the rev limiter was working I don't see how nitrous would hurt it - worst that would happen is that it runs lean. But that can't lead to mechanical damage unless you were racing it a lot more than you said you were.
i got a substantial gain from it. i would guestimate around 150-160whp? hopefully at least. i ran a 16.0 my first time at the track. i wasnt launching well but my trap speed was 89mph, which is good for a high 15 second run. my rev limiter was working, and i didnt hit it. and i didnt run it more than i said. i went through 15lbs of nitrous at a 75hp shot. never running it for more than around 13-14 seconds. (i know, its still a lot). i don't agree with the statement that running lean cannot lead to mechanical damage. running lean causes detonation. ask anyone running a FI car if they would run it lean, better to run a little rich

Why buy a Scion and want to run Nitrous, put a Super charger,etc???????>....Cheez, man, these things are low power..Period. What's next, swap out the engine with a V8 450 HP engine? :rofl: You should go out and get the new SHELBY Mustang or something in that range...

The garage I worked at didn't have the most up to date equipment when I worked there and basically it would show as a spike in power in the rpms or temp of the motor when we hooked it up to the computer. And if you don't have a super charger or turbo on the motor it leaves basically one thing and that is NOS or something like it. I have been to up to date garges and they can tell if you fastened your seat belt or not and at what times. I would imagine that toyota would have all up to date equipment but that doesn't mean that they know how to work it. So you might get lucky. just don't do something like that again.

Why buy a Scion and want to run Nitrous, put a Super charger,etc???????>....Cheez, man, these things are low power..Period. What's next, swap out the engine with a V8 450 HP engine? :rofl: You should go out and get the new SHELBY Mustang or something in that range...
why do people buy crx's and race them. 92 stock crank hp. thats 16 less than ours. or a civic with 112 crank hp. they get the D series motors running 11's. and yes, i do plan on swapping. so what. its called a hobby man, i didnt buy this car for fuel economy or watever, i wanted a car to play with. its all in fun, don't get this whole thing started on how power is stupid...if u wanna talk that, theres a whole other thread bout it. if experimentation never happened, there wouldnt be 500whp street civics. think about it.

The garage I worked at didn't have the most up to date equipment when I worked there and basically it would show as a spike in power in the rpms or temp of the motor when we hooked it up to the computer. And if you don't have a super charger or turbo on the motor it leaves basically one thing and that is NOS or something like it. I have been to up to date garges and they can tell if you fastened your seat belt or not and at what times. I would imagine that toyota would have all up to date equipment but that doesn't mean that they know how to work it. So you might get lucky. just don't do something like that again.
well...like you said..it would show as a spike in power. that can lead to assumptions of forced induction. the problem is if they can prove it. if they cannot, they will have to warranty it. or else u have a lawsuit. i don't want to go through that, but this is like an experiment for me to see if they can figure it out. and if it gets fixed...then i got lucky. and no, i wont do that again. ive been telling people for like 5 months not to use that much nitrous...hopefully people are listening

Why buy a Scion and want to run Nitrous, put a Super charger,etc???????>....Cheez, man, these things are low power..Period. What's next, swap out the engine with a V8 450 HP engine? :rofl: You should go out and get the new SHELBY Mustang or something in that range...
why do people buy crx's and race them. 92 stock crank hp. thats 16 less than ours. or a civic with 112 crank hp. they get the D series motors running 11's. and yes, i do plan on swapping. so what. its called a hobby man, i didnt buy this car for fuel economy or watever, i wanted a car to play with. its all in fun, don't get this whole thing started on how power is stupid...if u wanna talk that, theres a whole other thread bout it. if experimentation never happened, there wouldnt be 500whp street civics. think about it.

crx's and civics are light weight. its all power to weight ratio is why people got into the import scene with making these things fast in the first place. you do realize your driving a brick right? you know like almost zero aerodynamics and since the wheel base is super thin you can't just go out and road race the thing cause it'll roll. its too top heavy. being original is cool, but trying to do this....eh...i dunno man, kinda seems like a waste. i'm not trying to give you a hard time about this but i wouldn't try doing this again with your car or anything like that and then try to see if you can warranty it again. Be careful next time in your decisions. Hope everything works out.

-X

don't agree with the statement that running lean cannot lead to mechanical damage. running lean causes detonation. ask anyone running a FI car if they would run it lean, better to run a little rich

I meant the worst that would happen in an xB's engine. The computer chip will (or at least, *should*) retard the timing enough to prevent detonation. Maybe the fact that it had to do that would show up when they query it, and it could be that's what tips off the shop about using nitrous.

If you were running nitrous without an upgrade to the fuel pump you're likely running lean anyhow. And if you're taking out the nitrous and the fuel pump just to pull one over on the dealer you've got too much spare time on your hands for a college student.

Why buy a Scion and want to run Nitrous, put a Super charger,etc???????>....Cheez, man, these things are low power..Period. What's next, swap out the engine with a V8 450 HP engine? :rofl: You should go out and get the new SHELBY Mustang or something in that range...
why do people buy crx's and race them. 92 stock crank hp. thats 16 less than ours. or a civic with 112 crank hp. they get the D series motors running 11's. and yes, i do plan on swapping. so what. its called a hobby man, i didnt buy this car for fuel economy or watever, i wanted a car to play with. its all in fun, don't get this whole thing started on how power is stupid...if u wanna talk that, theres a whole other thread bout it. if experimentation never happened, there wouldnt be 500whp street civics. think about it.

crx's and civics are light weight. its all power to weight ratio is why people got into the import scene with making these things fast in the first place. you do realize your driving a brick right? you know like almost zero aerodynamics and since the wheel base is super thin you can't just go out and road race the thing cause it'll roll. its too top heavy. being original is cool, but trying to do this....eh...i dunno man, kinda seems like a waste. i'm not trying to give you a hard time about this but i wouldn't try doing this again with your car or anything like that and then try to see if you can warranty it again. Be careful next time in your decisions. Hope everything works out.

-X
dude...a crx is real light weight...but a civic is not much lighter than a scion. its only about 150-200lbs lighter depending on the body style. even the lightest which is the vx model is 2200lbs. we weight in at 2400, 2450 with me in it. i weighed in at the track. actually..the center of gravity is not that high, and u can drive it hard. i honestly wasnt even trying to be original, many people had nitrous on before me, i wanted to experiment. and i did. but its all good. we'll see how it goes

Why buy a Scion and want to run Nitrous, put a Super charger,etc???????>....Cheez, man, these things are low power..Period. What's next, swap out the engine with a V8 450 HP engine? :rofl: You should go out and get the new SHELBY Mustang or something in that range...
why do people buy crx's and race them. 92 stock crank hp. thats 16 less than ours. or a civic with 112 crank hp. they get the D series motors running 11's. and yes, i do plan on swapping. so what. its called a hobby man, i didnt buy this car for fuel economy or watever, i wanted a car to play with. its all in fun, don't get this whole thing started on how power is stupid...if u wanna talk that, theres a whole other thread bout it. if experimentation never happened, there wouldnt be 500whp street civics. think about it.

crx's and civics are light weight. its all power to weight ratio is why people got into the import scene with making these things fast in the first place. you do realize your driving a brick right? you know like almost zero aerodynamics and since the wheel base is super thin you can't just go out and road race the thing cause it'll roll. its too top heavy. being original is cool, but trying to do this....eh...i dunno man, kinda seems like a waste. i'm not trying to give you a hard time about this but i wouldn't try doing this again with your car or anything like that and then try to see if you can warranty it again. Be careful next time in your decisions. Hope everything works out.

-X
dude...a crx is real light weight...but a civic is not much lighter than a scion. its only about 150-200lbs lighter depending on the body style. even the lightest which is the vx model is 2200lbs. we weight in at 2400, 2450 with me in it. i weighed in at the track. actually..the center of gravity is not that high, and u can drive it hard. i honestly wasnt even trying to be original, many people had nitrous on before me, i wanted to experiment. and i did. but its all good. we'll see how it goes

i agree with you man...it is a hobbie...and i would like to make this box faster...and i am plannin on a motor swap in the future...i used to have a teg and i swapped out the motor...so i mean...its different for other people...you see it one way and they see it the other way...i dont wanna be mean but...i guess it just shows how shallow people can get...why not see it from this guy's point of view...i think he is worried enough already...and for us to come down on him...i say bleh :no: ....i aint pointin fingers...so dude...more power to you...hope you get it under waranty...and if you dont go get a new motor...i say the gt-s motor or if you wanna go big 3sgte :bow:

thanks man, i appreciate it

good news. the car is gonna be fixed. its gonna take like 2 weeks though

thats awesome! :clap: did they ask questions at all?

yes, they kept asking if i used anything, saying that it doesnt matter. but i said no. so its resolved, they are gonna warranty it. now to get it out of the shop so i can get the wheels off it and ship them out

well after about 2 weeks in the shop, the car is out and running again. i cant say how well it runs, but my best friend who picked it up to me said its running well. they warrantied me for a new shortblock. thanks to everyone who supported me. and take this lesson from me...dont use so much nitrous