I've seen many threads on here asking the same question "Will <your new wheel> fit?"

So this should be a guide to finding out whether your new wheels will most likely fit.

Remember that if you're SUPER low then things will change. This is for stock height.
-1" front and rear should work as well, we'll adjust this post as we get some real life posts.

First watch this video for a short tutorial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwiqAr2bI-I


As you know the width of the tire is given in inches while the offset is in millimeters. To bring all this in the same units, I will be using centimeters

1 cm = 10mm
2.54cm = 1inch

I'll use stock wheel as an example

So here is the formula for finding out how far from the hub will the back/inner part of the wheel go in(BACK SPACING):

width(inches) x 2.54 = width in centimeters
center line of the wheel in cm = width in centimeters/2
center line in cm + offset in cm = distance from the hub to the wheel's inner side(BACK SPACING)

To find out how far from the hub will the face/outside part of the rim stick out(FRONT SPACING):

Just subtract the offset from center line

Example using stock wheel:

18 x 7.5, offset +39 (offset of the wheel will almost always be positive)

Width in cm = 7.5 x 2.54 = 19.05 cm
Center line = 19.05/2 = 9.525 cm
Hub to inner side = 9.525 + 3.9 = 13.425 cm <----aka Back space. I dont know what the maximum fittin back space is.
Hub to face side = 9.525 - 3.9 = 5.625 cm <-------btw, to be flush in the front on TRD springs, this should be roughly 7.2cm and 8.2 rear :icon_dj:


BTW, (BACK SPACING) + (FRONT SPACING) = Wheel Width....obviously haha


Great formulas but we need some wide wheel that one of you has to actually know what will fit!

Luckily, Ted has some pretty wide wheels and I'll use his example:

18 x 9.5, offset +35

Width in cm = 9.5 x 2.54 = 24.13 cm
Center line = 12.065
Hub to inner side = 12.065 + 3.5 = 15.565 cm<---His wheel is ~2cm closer to the car! And he is dropped over an inch in fronts and rears!
Hub to face side = 12.065 - 3.5 = 8.565 <----If he were on TRDs He would be flush all around


So.......if your back spacing is less than 15.5 cm then you should be fine!
Just remember this is for cars that are stock or -1"-1.3" lower



Bottom line for most purchases you need to know the back spacing and its just CENTER LINE + OFFSET!

For "Flushness" you need to know the Front spacing which is just CENTER LINE - OFFSET



To make this thread helpful if you already have aftermarket rims then please post:
Wheel Width
Offset
Drop


Latest Updates:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/BOA.jpg



NOTE1:Just remember to take it with a grain of salt. Since what usually rubs is the TIRE and not the RIM. Tires usually are wider than the wheels!

NOTE2:When you're dealing with smaller diameter wheel then you will need LOWER offset to clear the caliper

NOTE3: Wheels with huge lips may not clear calipers

NOTE4: Make sure to keep the same rolling diameter. USE THIS FOR CALCULATING ALL THE TIRE SPECS: http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

too much math!

but i love it! great job...i nominate for a sticky

and i will revisit this after i drop my car...i will definitely need some consultation after that haha

haha read the bottom line then 8)

just make sure ur in centimeters.....thats it!

little spread sheet, hoping the rays would fit but it seems its literally may be t0o much by a millimeter!

Back and Front in the top row are short fort Back Spacing and Front Spacing

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/OMG.jpg

Whoa that excel kicks butt! No LEDs but I'm still impressed.

N yea I saw the bottom :)

So 18x10 +30's will fit... nice. Yuri, wanna toss in 18x10 +25 to see how those will compare?


EDIT: nevermind, I see you have the 5mm spacer on the right, that will equal out to my spec request.


Ok so 18x10+25's will sit 0.643700787 inches further out than mine do, looks like that will be my next wheel size :D

So 18x10 +30's will fit... nice. Yuri, wanna toss in 18x10 +25 to see how those will compare?


EDIT: nevermind, I see you have the 5mm spacer on the right, that will equal out to my spec request.


Ok so 18x10+25's will sit 0.643700787 inches further out than mine do, looks like that will be my next wheel size :D

with that MEXI-FLUSH you will most likely have to roll some fenders in the front haha

some updates:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/offsert.jpg

Matt(1stOne) runs 9.5 with 45 offset! He says it will not clear the stock front caliper though. However it will depend on the wheel, the spokes on his wheel dont come out to the out edge of the rim, his is more like "deep dish"(spokes are inside the rim)

Regardless, his rim has a HUGE back space and it still fits!
I guess now the bottle neck is the front spacing(rolling fenders or not) and clearing the calipers!

For Sean there it will depend on whether its a deep dish wheel or not to clear the calipers



Normal wheel:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/OUT.jpg

Deep dish:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/DEEP.png

1stOnes':

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/1stone.jpg

So as u can see even if the offset is really low ~+20 or +25, with deep dish wheels you may still grind against the calipers!

i dont think there are any test subjects yet...but hypothetically speaking...

how would the drop effect wheel width/offset?

like how about a 2 in drop or a 3 in drop?

the wheel would be cambered, as a result you will worry about having enough back spacing. Howevera(on stock height), when you go over big bumps then your wheel will camber in as they are lifted towards the body of the car and for a second it will simulate as if you were very low.......
SO if people that fit with HUGE back spacings dont just drive on a straight road and have a fair deal of big speed bumps or pot holes that they drove over and nothing rubbed then technically being low is a good thing because you wont have to roll fender because the tire will be tucked under it!:eek:

the problem is, we dont know the relationship between camber angle and the drop to actually see if this works

new update with ZeroEye's wheels setup:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/SEEEE.jpg


His setup suggests that front spacing of 9.5cm! will fit without rolling fenders in the back ON TRD SPRINZZZ!!!



So with Alex's and Matt's successful fitments, we can technically fit a 10.2" wide wheel with offset of +35 on TRD springs


Just remember to take it with a grain of salt. Since what usually rubs is the TIRE and not the RIM. Tires usually are wider than the wheels!

Thanks for this. The offset thing still has me confused but I will eventually learn it.

I made stupid decision and bought 16" winter tires on steel wheels so I am looking to change the rims and get some 16" alloy ones that fit the tires and also clear the calipers. These calculations will help make the search slightly easier.

latest:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/BOA.jpg

Thanks for this. The offset thing still has me confused but I will eventually learn it.

I made stupid decision and bought 16" winter tires on steel wheels so I am looking to change the rims and get some 16" alloy ones that fit the tires and also clear the calipers. These calculations will help make the search slightly easier.


these calculations are for 18" wheels

so it will be a bit different for the 16", just make sure that spokes are bent aggressively aways from calipers and dont buy anything that looks like the spokes are inside the wheel

ok so did i do this right then since you said it will be different for what size of wheel you are going to do
they are xxr 526
17x9 25 17x10 20

9.0x2.54= 22.86 22.86/2= 11.43 11.43+ 2.5= 13.93 11.43- 2.5= 8.93

10.0x2.54=25.4 25.4/2= 12.7 12.7+ 2= 14.7 12.7- 2= 10.7

yeah looks right however i just googled the wheels and it looks like they have a huge lip which means you could have caliper clearance issues. BUT with such low offsets i think it should be fine, as long as the lip aint half a wheel in size.

also with 10.7 front spacing you will have to roll fenders. depending on how low you are, you may have to raise the ride or change camber. or try to get as narrow tires as safety allows

is that the wheel?

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/xxr-526-chromium_lg_super.jpg

if it dont clear calipers then you could use 5mm spacers but that would create such a low offset that the handling could get real crappy.

If they dont clear the calipers I'd forget about the wheels

When you're dealing with smaller diameter wheel then you will need LOWER offset to clear the caliper

has anyone tired it with bigger rims? 19in maybe

or any advice with larger diameter rims

yeah looks right however i just googled the wheels and it looks like they have a huge lip which means you could have caliper clearance issues. BUT with such low offsets i think it should be fine, as long as the lip aint half a wheel in size.

also with 10.7 front spacing you will have to roll fenders. depending on how low you are, you may have to raise the ride or change camber. or try to get as narrow tires as safety allows

is that the wheel?

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/xxr-526-chromium_lg_super.jpg
i figured that i would have to role front and rear and pull the rear a little, but i am going to have 205/40/17 front and 215/40/17 rear for tires. i found a couple pixs and looked at them and i hope it will clear everything, if not i will make it till they do fit.
i was going to do 17x9 front and 17x10 rear

has anyone tired it with bigger rims? 19in maybe

or any advice with larger diameter rims



ill be putting 19's on mine

it will be all the same as long as the rolling diameter stays the same!

USE THIS FOR CALCULATING ALL THE TIRE SPECS: http://www.1010tires.com/tiresizecalculator.asp

im looking to get some 18x8s to fit the stock tire, the offset of my is a 43 mm. The lip is 1.5 inches. is this going to be an issue?
:pray::pray:

im looking to get some 18x8s to fit the stock tire, the offset of my is a 43 mm. The lip is 1.5 inches. is this going to be an issue?
:pray::pray:
Only issue is the stance will not really look any better than stock. They will fit just fine. I'd be willing to bet you would not be happy with them after a few months. "Filling" up the fenders makes the car look much better, at least imo.
I would go with a lower offset. Mine are 18x8.5 with +35 offset. I could have went with a +25 offset but I would have had to use a smaller tire due to my drop. My tires are a lot wider than stock.
The choice is yours, but at least go with a rim size/offset like mine. It gives a nice, clean flush look without any worries of damaging the car.
The stock tires will fit up to a 9.5" wheel btw.
Pics of mine for reference. Note my tire size in my sig. The drop is 1.5"F and 1.8"R.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/loriscruggs74/NewWheels4.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/loriscruggs74/DSCN0275-1.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/loriscruggs74/NewWheels1.jpg

im looking to get some 18x8s to fit the stock tire, the offset of my is a 43 mm. The lip is 1.5 inches. is this going to be an issue?
:pray::pray:

it should fit no problem if we talking strictly back spacing and front spacing. However having a lip changes everything because now you may have caliper clearance issues. it will depend on how thick are the spokes and how aggressively they poke out. I would def recomend lower offset because you aren't going to be flush in the rear with +43 and have a chance of not clearing the caliper. so if that offset is the only choice then no worries you can get 5mm spacers and they will improve the flushness and possibly clear the caliper if there is a problem. Also it will bring it closer to the stock offset. for suspension stress/handling to be the same you need to keep the same offset

Okay so wheel spacers should solve the concern about clearing the caliper. Cause that's my worry! And does anyone current run with a deep lip that you guys know of and see what they were doing!
Thanks

Wow im spending so much time on this thread but I myself learning so much :)

Okay so wheel spacers should solve the concern about clearing the caliper. Cause that's my worry! And does anyone current run with a deep lip that you guys know of and see what they were doing!
Thanks

here are calculations:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/lip2.jpg

Having 1.5" lip makes your front spacing technically 3.8cm narrower. so you only have 2.1 cm to clear the caliper


I just measured the space between the caliper and the stock wheel:

front spacing: 5.6cm
Clearance to the inside of the spoke: 2.2

so 5.6 - 2.2 = minimum front spacing = 3.4(this is kinda inacurate because we need trigonometry to actually figure out this)

So to account for Trig lets make minumum front spacing 3cm

but that's given the stock rim, your spokes maybe thinner or more aggressively bulged out. Stock spokes are pretty think :doh: but even then if you have really aggressive poke and thin spokes it may reduce the min spacing by only 1-1.5cm most so it becomes 2 - 1.5 minimum front spacing which is what you technically have. Looks to me SPACERS ARE A MUST

To me it looks super weird that the company put +43 offset on such a huge lip wheel..............then again maybe its meant to have spacers so you're flush. If these miraculously fit then you stance will be the same as stock :cry:


As an example, 1stOne has 7.6cm actual front spacing with his rim and he cant clear it with stock caliper.Because the spokes aren't aggressively poking


I would love to know how it plays out in real life.

what's the wheel? got pics?

Oh my gosh so much math O__O

I just hope my rims will fit, they get here on friday! They're 18x9.5 +25mm and i'm on h-tech's

latest:

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/BOA.jpg




as you can see you in the same boat as DTRtc2.

you may have to roll fenders. I'd do it right now if i were you b4 wheels come in

Where do I get a fender roller at?

ask around your area or do it yourself very carefully. plenty DIYs out there.
just VERY CAREFULLY!

Yea I've seen DIY's who use baseball bats and stuff, and I sure as heck am not using a baseball bat! I'm gonna either rent a fender roller or get a place to do it. I think I'm just gonna wait until my rims come in and see what the damage is. I'm only on h-tech's so I'm not that much drop, DTR is on coilovers, and he is way dropped. Maybe I'll just leave it until I can afford coilovers, then I'll roll them

no bats obvi

wow, okay well then how bout we try 18x8.5 with a 2 inch lip and and 35 mm offest. will these clear the caliper?

difference is 3-6mm more clearance

but you will be FLUSH IN THE FRONT!

questions...

why do people have a smaller rim width in the front than the back?
is it because of the turning?

is there anyway to drop a car about 2 inches, have 19x9.5 rims, and not have any rubbing/issues WITHOUT fender rolling?

questions...

why do people have a smaller rim width in the front than the back?
is it because of the turning?


· What is a staggered fitment?

A staggered fitment is also referred to as a staggered application. Basically, it means that the wheels on the back of the vehicle are a different size than those on the front. Wider wheels are usually run on the back; for example, 19x8 on the front and 19x9.5 on the rear. This is typically done on rear wheel drive cars such as Infiniti G35, Nissan 350Z, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, VW, Ford Mustang, and others. Running wider wheels on the drive wheels means more grip on acceleration, and, from an aesthetic perspective, large lips. The TSW Thruxton 20x10, for example, carries a huge 5" lip.

A staggered fitment can also mean larger diameter wheels on rear, like 17" diameter on the front and 18" diameter on rear. Some examples of this would be aftermarket Acura NSX and Chevy Corvette.

questions...


is there anyway to drop a car about 2 inches, have 19x9.5 rims, and not have any rubbing/issues WITHOUT fender rolling?


having 19" doesnt matter as long as the rolling diameter is the same and you get the tires that barely normally fit the rim aka if tire designed for 7-8.5 width wheel then you'd put that tire on a 8.5" rim

Probably most likely possible without rolling fenders but the offset has to be +35 or higher and you wouldnt be flush in the rear :(


Just roll the fenders.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqQOKnME4+FbmjBZBOcWVQ(Q+g~~_12.JPG
this was the 18x8 iwas interested in. i think i wont get it anymore but i was gunna get the inside painted in black.



http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MjMwWDIzMA==/$(KGrHqF,!gsE5so!GmgyBOuy4(WoKg~~60_1.JPG
this was the second on i mentioned.
18x8.5 with an 35 offest.
2 inch lip

second provides more clearance and more flush!

The second ones are the same rims I have, just in a less flush sort of way... LOL

the "problem" is though that its the same offset but the wheel is narrower which means less clearance for the caliper

sorry so will the rim fit? and how much space will it leave at the front and how do your wheels fit on yours?

well lets ask Ted how much clearance there is between the spokes and the caliper..............................:tap:


and how big is his lip

questions...

why do people have a smaller rim width in the front than the back?
is it because of the turning?

is there anyway to drop a car about 2 inches, have 19x9.5 rims, and not have any rubbing/issues WITHOUT fender rolling?

THIS IS FOR R5 wheels by 5 axis
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/justin.jpg

the blue lines indicate the wheels you should get. you have a choice for the front wheels either 8.5 or 9.5


on TRD springs which is -1" off fron and rear u need 7.2cm front spacing to flush the front and 8.1 to flush the rear

so on a 2" drop those numbers will nees to be higher a bit


THOSE SEEM TO BE THE ONLY AND SAFE OFFSETS. IF u not satisfied you can alway use 5mm spacers!



id go with 8.5 and 9.5s because I dont like +45 offset, way to high, may be caliper clearance issues

thanks for public broadcasting mu private message!

lol its all good

very interesting info here....thank you

and i'd hope not to use spacers...but once i get the drop i will revisit the rims but all signed point to a 8.5 and 9.5 combo

thanks for public broadcasting mu private message!

lol its all good

very interesting info here....thank you

and i'd hope not to use spacers...but once i get the drop i will revisit the rims but all signed point to a 8.5 and 9.5 combo



haha didnt know you wanted to surprise SL with a sexy stance :rofl:

sorry so will the rim fit? and how much space will it leave at the front and how do your wheels fit on yours?
If the wheel is 18x8.5 inches wide with a +35 it will fit, exactly like mine give or take a few mm's for manufacturing differences between companies. The difference will be in the thicknes and angle of the spokes, that is how XXR produces a wheel with a bigger lip.

If the wheel is 18x8.5 inches wide with a +35 it will fit, exactly like mine give or take a few mm's for manufacturing differences between companies. The difference will be in the thicknes and angle of the spokes, that is how XXR produces a wheel with a bigger lip.

But there was no caliper clearance issues? and how much if you dont mind did you pay for yours?

Caliper clearance is no issue period. Tons of room.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/loriscruggs74/NewWheels3.jpg
Mine are a bit pricey but well worth it. They are made using Enkei's MAT process which produces a strong lightweight wheel. Much stronger and lighter than XXR wheels. The MAT process is the next best thing to a forged wheel. My wheels weight around 18 1/2 lbs. each. Big improvement on performance, stock wheels are 27 1/2lbs for reference. So they are well worth the 900 bucks I paid. This is what I paid and who I bought them from, link below. These wheels come in silver, black and gold. Wish they had a bronze!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KONIG-WHEELS-4-MILLIGRAM-18X8-5-5X114-3-ET35-SILVER-/300627042685?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item45fec4a17d
Great seller, I had my wheels in less than a week coming from California. I am in S.C.

ive watched the video countless times now and i feel stupid, but how does a lower offset help to clear the caliper if there is a lip? i just dont get it lol?

ive watched the video countless times now and i feel stupid, but how does a lower offset help to clear the caliper if there is a lip? i just dont get it lol?


ill try to sketch it in a bit

The offset is a measurement from the center of the wheel, it has nothing to do with the lip size. Rim width and style do. I checked today just for to be sure, but I can easily stick my hand in between the rim and my front brake caliper. There is another 1/2" or so wiggle room as well.
Pretty much any 18x7 to 18x9.5 fits this car no problem with an offset of +35 to +45. 1stOne runs 18x9.5 +45 Enkei RPF1's...he has the TRD BBK and the front rims would flex under hard cornering just enough to barely rub the larger BBK calipers. I think he put a 3mm spacer in to stop the rub. Any one who doubts this, check his build thread, I did. The issue was wheel flex plus the BBK. He tracks his ride. +45 offset will not be an issue for caliper clearance.
I think you are getting hung up on the backwards aspect of the offfset math. The higher the offset number, the more the wheel will tuck into/under the car and vice-versa. Comprende?

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/gt.jpg

yellow is spokes
orange is caliper
axle and hub are red

left shows LOW offset and a wheel with a lip

right shows HIGH offset

The offset is a measurement from the center of the wheel, it has nothing to do with the lip size. Rim width and style do. I checked today just for to be sure, but I can easily stick my hand in between the rim and my front brake caliper. There is another 1/2" or so wiggle room as well.
Pretty much any 18x7 to 18x9.5 fits this car no problem with an offset of +35 to +45. 1stOne runs 18x9.5 +45 Enkei RPF1's...he has the TRD BBK and the front rims would flex under hard cornering just enough to barely rub the larger BBK calipers. I think he put a 3mm spacer in to stop the rub. Any one who doubts this, check his build thread, I did. The issue was wheel flex plus the BBK. He tracks his ride. +45 offset will not be an issue for caliper clearance.
I think you are getting hung up on the backwards aspect of the offfset math. The higher the offset number, the more the wheel will tuck into/under the car and vice-versa. Comprende?
That makes much more sense!
thanks

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee382/scion202/gt.jpg

yellow is spokes
orange is caliper
axle and hub are red

left shows LOW offset and a wheel with a lip

right shows HIGH offset

Thanks for putting in the time and effort and doing that! makes much more sense now!

no problem man, only took a few minutes

Wow! Great thread! This is the sort of info people need when determining wheel fitments. But, most importantly, wheels and tires are not cookie cutter. What fits for one may not fit for another.

Always measure twice, buy once.

I challenge someone out there who tracks to do the extreme...go for 275's on 18x9.5's with a +35 offset and some front negative camber! That's what I want, but something tells me I'll have a small RWD coupe soon...

Wow! Great thread! This is the sort of info people need when determining wheel fitments. But, most importantly, wheels and tires are not cookie cutter. What fits for one may not fit for another.

Always measure twice, buy once.

I challenge someone out there who tracks to do the extreme...go for 275's on 18x9.5's with a +35 offset and some front negative camber! That's what I want, but something tells me I'll have a small RWD coupe soon...

thanks Matt, Ill be trying to fit 10" wheels with 275/35/19 tires and +30 offset in the back, front will be 9" with 245/40/19 with +42 offset(reg 47, +5mm spacer)

Wow! Great thread! This is the sort of info people need when determining wheel fitments. But, most importantly, wheels and tires are not cookie cutter. What fits for one may not fit for another.

Always measure twice, buy once.

I challenge someone out there who tracks to do the extreme...go for 275's on 18x9.5's with a +35 offset and some front negative camber! That's what I want, but something tells me I'll have a small RWD coupe soon...

Must be nice.... I'm guessing your going to have the 1st rwd coupe lol. Is there going to be a RS or TRD version if so I'm going to have a rwd coupe also.

thanks Matt, Ill be trying to fit 10" wheels with 275/35/19 tires and +30 offset in the back, front will be 9" with 245/40/19 with +42 offset(reg 47, +5mm spacer)

Why not go for 10's all around? It is FWD after all.

Must be nice.... I'm guessing your going to have the 1st rwd coupe lol. Is there going to be a RS or TRD version if so I'm going to have a rwd coupe also.

As with all Scions, there will be an RS at some point. Still no details on it at this time, but that's likely going to be the model I wait for. I wont have the 1st one this time (but only by choice).

Why not go for 10's all around? It is FWD after all.

).

10" in the front is a bit much I think and i'll be buying the wheels used off a 370z

if i buy em new from the dealership then its $970 a wheel:shock: ____ing stealership

and i dont wanna buy 2 used sets and trying to sell off 4 9"s

I've been going thru this thread and still trying to figure what offset wheels I should get for this spring.

I got an offer for a set of RPF1 18 x 8.5 et30 5x114.3 /73mm bore off an 08 STi, and I wonder will they fit on my tC2!

Any helps?

ALWAYS TELL US YOUR DROP first aka stock, TRD, coilovers....


btw they will obvi fit!

ALWAYS TELL US YOUR DROP first aka stock, TRD, coilovers....


btw they will obvi fit!

For now it will be drop with TRD springs, sorry about that. I haven't drop the car yet. Will do it while I put the wheels on :)

Cheers,
Ste

7.8 font space...

front will be flush

rear will be roughly 1cm to flush

7.8 font space...

front will be flush

rear will be roughly 1cm to flush

Thank you!!!

Merry Christmas,
Ste

slightly off topic its relates to wheel bores. looking at xxr's 527 with the 20 offset. the bore is not the same as the scion bore obviously what rings should i purchase in order for them to fit. Also i am dropped 1.5 inch in the front and 1.8 at the rear. the rim as you probably know is 18x8.75.

thanks guys

slightly off topic its relates to wheel bores. looking at xxr's 527 with the 20 offset. the bore is not the same as the scion bore obviously what rings should i purchase in order for them to fit. Also i am dropped 1.5 inch in the front and 1.8 at the rear. the rim as you probably know is 18x8.75.

thanks guys

You don't need rings they fit just fine. I have them and so does 2 other members on here.

The hubcentric rings prevent wear on the wheel's bolt holes and studs. There is a reason almost all new cars run hubcentric wheels, they center the wheel properly. Buy some asap they are under 20 bucks all over ebay. You may be fine without them but piece of mind for a few bucks...
This guy has them, ships fast and is affordable.
http://stores.ebay.ca/A-Spec-Wheels-and-Tires/Hub-Centric-Rings-/_i.html?_fsub=5777413&_sid=57542070&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

rigs are def a plus. they make the wheels hub centric and not lug centric.

get aluminum ones

http://www.1010tires.com/hubrings.asp?gclid=CNKK58X_opoCFQZlswodbWkQ-A

as for the wheel it should be fine in the rear and pushing it real close in the front.

I would not get +20 offset wheel because it affects the suspension geometry way too much

also u may need narrow tires as to not rub...

You don't need rings they fit just fine. I have them and so does 2 other members on here.

Do you rub at all or have any issues with the the rims? what kind of tires are you running on?

thanks
Chris

rigs are def a plus. they make the wheels hub centric and not lug centric.

get aluminum ones

http://www.1010tires.com/hubrings.asp?gclid=CNKK58X_opoCFQZlswodbWkQ-A

as for the wheel it should be fine in the rear and pushing it real close in the front.

I would not get +20 offset wheel because it affects the suspension geometry way too much

also u may need narrow tires as to not rub...


so i shud go with the +35 and get 5 mm spacers to make it more flush? how far out will i be?

thanks
chris

so i shud go with the +35 and get 5 mm spacers to make it more flush? how far out will i be?

thanks
chris


get +20 for rears

+35 with 5mm spacer for front

both will be flush then

get +20 for rears

+35 with 5mm spacer for front

both will be flush then

will this still be an issue for the suspension or will this be okay?

yeah plenty ppl have done it and noticed nothing but it is not recommended because it may actually end up handling worse/wear out the ball barrings faster

I wouldnt go with anything lower than 30 but that just me

yeah plenty ppl have done it and noticed nothing but it is not recommended because it may actually end up handling worse/wear out the ball barrings faster

I wouldnt go with anything lower than 30 but that just me

Okay thanks for the info you guys are great. I just came from e46fanatics the BMW forum and they rip new kids apart. As much as i love my 330ci its almost 10 years old and you can now get one for like 10k so i dont understand where the sense of self importance came from... oh well thanks

chris

I am on tein s-techs and I want to know what size rim I can fit for a flush look in 18's? What offset tires and rolling fenders please help I'm going to purchase rims and want a flush look thanks

so rolling fender or not?

Yes rolling fenders I want to maybe go with 18x9.75 all around will tht work or whatsize Can I get for the best flush look concave. Or with a lip

Someone help!!!

^^^18x10 +20 with rolled fenders and stretched tires, flush and looking sick as hell...

What size tires are you running? Are you keeping the stocks?

+40 offset front and +30 in the rear with normal tires

what is the fitment number im looking at a set and they have a fitment number im guessing the 4x and 5x is the lug count but what is the 100 and the 114.3
18x7.5 4x100, 4x114.3, 5x100, 5x114.3

our bolt pattern is 5X114.3

^^^18x10 +20 with rolled fenders and stretched tires, flush and looking sick as hell...

Hell yeah im gonna try to do the xxr 526 18x10.5 +20 offset the ones that are million dollar deep. Ive made up my mind.

What size tires are you running? Are you keeping the stocks?

yes im going to stretch my stock toyos already did some research im gonna do 10.5 all around it will fit.. In a month or so im filing my income tax Saturday finally

jezus, unless u use coils, ur setup will just look gross. 11.3 front spacing is just stupid unless u can camber it in.

ur fronts will be ultra gross/non functional...

can some one knows what is the largest tire we can put on the oem rims thanks ?:icon_smile:

can some one knows what is the largest tire we can put on the oem rims thanks ?

This is America! You can do whatever you want…
Go through all the tire catalogues and find the largest tire made for an 18’ rim and throw it on…then take pictures and post them here.

can some one knows what is the largest tire we can put on the oem rims thanks ?:icon_smile:



255/40 will prolly work

Not trying to be rude, but a 255/40 will not fit right on a 7.5" rim. That would be almost 10" wide on the tread, no way it would fit and function properly. Maybe a 235/40 or a 245/45. Depends on what you are after..Just more tread width or a taller tire as well.

Not trying to be rude, but a 255/40 will not fit right on a 7.5" rim. That would be almost 10" wide on the tread, no way it would fit and function properly. Maybe a 235/40 or a 245/45. Depends on what you are after..Just more tread width or a taller tire as well.


haha you arent rude, im just saying there are ppl that run 255s but its not a good idea. overall it will depend on the design and quality of the tire, some will be fine and some will collapse after a mile.

245 is the largest id go myself

Yep, the 245/40's I have take up every bit of my 8.5" rims, 255/40's would look kinda' strange to me on a 7.5. I can't believe there are people doing that! My tires have just a slight bulge over the rim lip. Cheap insurance for the rims imo. I'd much rather scuff a tire than my expensive wheels. I have always prefered the tire and rim to be within an inch or so of being the same width. I just need a bit more poke, debating on some thin nonstudded spacers, 5mm in the front, 8mm in the back.

The wheel size I have on my setup is 18X9 all around and for tires I have 245/40 size. What is the biggest/widest tire size that I can put on my car WITHOUT running into issues (while keeping these exact same rims)?

I really want to get a set of super wide + sticky ties cuz my car doesn't handle as well as it should. Also, for future reference, what is the best performing tire money can buy?

Many thanks in advance, and SORRY if this question has already been asked!

275/35/18

idk what u dropped on or your offset so wouldnt know if it will rub

get michelin because they are the only company offering warranty on summer tires/they are light/long lasting

but if sticky all you care about then get Bridgestone Potenza but they will wears off way to quickly

275/35/18

idk what u dropped on or your offset so wouldnt know if it will rub

get michelin because they are the only company offering warranty on summer tires/they are light/long lasting

but if sticky all you care about then get Bridgestone Potenza but they will wears off way to quickly

Awesome, thanks for the fitment and tire suggestion. BTW, I forgot to ask, will the fitment you mentioned (275/35/18) work on all the wheels, or only the rears?

Awesome, thanks for the fitment and tire suggestion. BTW, I forgot to ask, will the fitment you mentioned (275/35/18) work on all the wheels, or only the rears?

all wheels but as i said b4 idk your drop and wheel offset to tell you whether its gonna rub or not

all wheels but as i said b4 idk your drop and wheel offset to tell you whether its gonna rub or not

I'll get back to you on the offset (they're for Volk RE30's, don't know if that helps) but my drop is not super low; I would consider it moderate. Maybe like half of what we originally get it at. Thanks for replying so quickly! :)

I'll get back to you on the offset (they're for Volk RE30's, don't know if that helps) but my drop is not super low; I would consider it moderate. Maybe like half of what we originally get it at. Thanks for replying so quickly! :)

what spriings/coils are u on?

what spriings/coils are u on?

Tein Super Street Coilover Kit

Tein Super Street Coilover Kit

damn, so you one of the cool ones hahah

do u have a picture of the drop?

damn, so you one of the cool ones hahah

do u have a picture of the drop?

Thanks for the kind words. Lol, to be honest (and I know some people hate this type of mentality), I just bought them over the other coilovers because they were more expensive, and therefore I figured they were better. Since then I've learned better :)

But no, I don't have any pictures to share, sorry. In my attempt to save up as much money as possible for my car parts, I've made A Lot of compromises (no smartphones, trendy clothes, and no digital camera to take and share pics).

Thanks for the kind words. Lol, to be honest (and I know some people hate this type of mentality), I just bought them over the other coilovers because they were more expensive, and therefore I figured they were better. Since then I've learned better :)

But no, I don't have any pictures to share, sorry. In my attempt to save up as much money as possible for my car parts, I've made A Lot of compromises (no smartphones, trendy clothes, and no digital camera to take and share pics).


i was referring to having adjustable coilovers(which is awesome) and not the brand.

doesnt it say on the coils how much lower it is? still wating on ur offset

i was referring to having adjustable coilovers(which is awesome) and not the brand.

doesnt it say on the coils how much lower it is? still wating on ur offset

Offset is +35 all around.

alright, 245 is already pretty wide. I wouldnt go with anything over 265. if ur tire is tucked in then simply stick ur finger between the fender and the tire and ull know how much room u got. tein spring rates are pretty high so if u stiffen up the shocks you can most likely fit 265. from the info u provided u should be pretty damn flush in the front already

Hi Guys, I am looking at some rims for my tc2 and I am wondering if these will fit the stock tires for the 2011 scion TC.

Name: VSR Sonic
Size: 18 "x 8"
Bolt Pattern: 5x114.3
Off Set: +45mm
Finish: Full Black



9820


thanks!

Yes the stock tires will go on safely no problem. A few guys are running them on 18x9.5" wheels no problems... The +45 offset is what I and 90% of us would avoid. You will not like it later, but it is up to you. Go to a +35 offset at a minimum. I'd go to a 8.5" or 9" wide wheel myself. Don't be in a rush to order wheels, they are expensive and once you mount them you can't return them.

thanks! I appreciate your help. I will keep looking and let you know if I have any more questions or need opinion on what wheels to buy.

I am fairly new to this site and to this thread. I have however been a tC owner for a while and I currently drive a 2012 RS. I have been following this thread closly and doing a lot of calculations. I am looking at running a big wheel and I have done a lot of calculating and everything I see will fit. wanted to just get your guys opinions. I am building a show car, its not going to be real fast just have a CRAZY stance.

I am looking at 20 x 9.5 +35 wheels
I will be running NITTO Neo gen 225/35zr20 so they will be stretched a little bit. I will also be on Ksport Coils.

Let me know if you have any ideas

I am fairly new to this site and to this thread. I have however been a tC owner for a while and I currently drive a 2012 RS. I have been following this thread closly and doing a lot of calculations. I am looking at running a big wheel and I have done a lot of calculating and everything I see will fit. wanted to just get your guys opinions. I am building a show car, its not going to be real fast just have a CRAZY stance.

I am looking at 20 x 9.5 +35 wheels
I will be running NITTO Neo gen 225/35zr20 so they will be stretched a little bit. I will also be on Ksport Coils.

Let me know if you have any ideas

you should be fine, just some fender rolling and stiff dampening
the offset is perfect so that u can fine tune CRAZYNESS of ur stance with 3-5mm spacers if needed

Thanks. I am excited to get my new wheels in. I have a test fit next week then they are going to a local custom shop for some color matching paintwork. When my Ksports come in and I get everything fine tuned ill post some pics up in the Stanced tC thread!

alright, 245 is already pretty wide. I wouldnt go with anything over 265. if ur tire is tucked in then simply stick ur finger between the fender and the tire and ull know how much room u got. tein spring rates are pretty high so if u stiffen up the shocks you can most likely fit 265. from the info u provided u should be pretty damn flush in the front already
245/40/18 will be the widest you can go on that rim and offset. Look at my sig. for my setup, I am on the verge of rubbing up front. The 35 series is another option but they will be a smaller diameter, unless you go uber wide like the 275/35's. Scion202 is right, your amount of drop is going to determine your tire size. Anything more than 245/40 is going to rub up front if you drop it more than 1.8" rear and 1.5" front. Don't worry, a decent set of 245/40's give way more grip than the stock tires. My car has yet to break loose on a hard turn. I can launch it hard from a dead stop at 3500 rpms with no wheel spin. I have more grip than the clutch can handle, I felt the clutch get warm once on a hard run thru 1st and 2nd gear. My tires are summer "W" rated, they made the car soo much more fun to push in the corners.

My 20x9.5 fit great. no rubbing. I am not dropped yet but I have coils on the way. will let you guys know how low I can go with these wheels.

My 20x9.5 fit great. no rubbing. I am not dropped yet but I have coils on the way. will let you guys know how low I can go with these wheels.

glad to hear!

I asked this over on Club Scion tc (surely some of you must be there as well so forgive the repeat question) but I wanted to ask here and hope that someone could break it down to me 3rd grade style. I'm not like you boys. I only just started getting interested in changing up my car and this whole wheel size offset business is like friggin' Chinese to me and I'm not great at teaching myself things. Especially things involving math. I can't math. I was told by the guy at my local tire shop that these wheels wouldn't fit my car. Supposedly he even called XXR and asked and he told me I'd need to drop a wheel size. But a few guys at Club Scion told me they would in fact fit. I hope you can understand my mixed feelings on the issue since I would assume a guy who mounts tires for a living would know what he was talking about. I don't want to throw down money on something that I can't use. I obviously have a tc2. A 2012 to be exact. I am not dropped or anything of the sort. The wheels I want are these http://www.nlmotoring.com/XXR-527-Wheels-18x8-75-Chromium-Black-p/52788542n.htm


I linked the 20 offset but they also come in 35. Some of the guys at the other forum were trying to break down the offset and giving me charts and all but I don't learn that way well. I'm looking for a yes or a no. I appreciate the help.

YES, they'll fit.. look up errol. he's had them, same size on all fours.

yes will fit

Black Mamba had those on his fronts

+20 will look really good in the rear but not so much in the front

if you go with +35 then you will "never" rub (obvi if you slam it then the front will rub when you turn)

They are 18x8.75 +20 offset. She can use those with the stock tires and no lowering easily. She could get away with the TRD springs as well. Any lower than TRD's will rub on the front fenders. I would go +35 offset just to give yourself more clearance if you do lower the car later.. Also if you lower the car later, the front tires will rub with +20's unless you go to a smaller tire and/or roll the fenders for clearance. +35's will not.
Alicia, +20 will stick out 15mm more than the +35 will..The +35 will look great but not be as flush with the top of the fenders as the +20. All in what you want for looks. For best performance and mechanical reliability, go with the +35 offset.

or go with +20 in the rear and +35 in the front but it will be annoying dismounting/mounting tires when u need to rotate them....

They are 18x8.75 +20 offset. She can use those with the stock tires and no lowering easily. She could get away with the TRD springs as well. Any lower than TRD's will rub on the front fenders. I would go +35 offset just to give yourself more clearance if you do lower the car later.. Also if you lower the car later, the front tires will rub with +20's unless you go to a smaller tire and/or roll the fenders for clearance. +35's will not.
Alicia, +20 will stick out 15mm more than the +35 will..The +35 will look great but not be as flush with the top of the fenders as the +20. All in what you want for looks. For best performance and mechanical reliability, go with the +35 offset.

Thanks for the responses everyone. I was wondering today about what the differences would be as far as mechanics involved not just looks. I'm not yet at the point where I'm worried about details like that. I was just looking for a set of rims that I really liked that would fit. Baby steps.lol

I asked this on the other forum but I'll ask here as well since you all speak a language I understand. Is there any risk involved in deviating from the OEM tire specs? I'm not going to risk my car just for a set of nice looking rims. Again I'm still trying to understand all this stuff but if we're dealing in millimeters here then the difference between what I have currently and what I want seems really minimal but again I repeat - I can't math. It's quite sad actually.

My friend who is also not a car person so she was just speculating that maybe a tire company might not like mounting tires outside of the normal range for safety reasons? We were just trying to figure out why all of you are telling me I'd be more than fine when a guy who gets paid to mount tires told me I won't fit.

Thanks for the responses everyone. I was wondering today about what the differences would be as far as mechanics involved not just looks. I'm not yet at the point where I'm worried about details like that. I was just looking for a set of rims that I really liked that would fit. Baby steps.lol

I asked this on the other forum but I'll ask here as well since you all speak a language I understand. Is there any risk involved in deviating from the OEM tire specs? I'm not going to risk my car just for a set of nice looking rims. Again I'm still trying to understand all this stuff but if we're dealing in millimeters here then the difference between what I have currently and what I want seems really minimal but again I repeat - I can't math. It's quite sad actually.

My friend who is also not a car person so she was just speculating that maybe a tire company might not like mounting tires outside of the normal range for safety reasons? We were just trying to figure out why all of you are telling me I'd be more than fine when a guy who gets paid to mount tires told me I won't fit.


+35 offset is close to stock and will feel and handle better than +20

also when you use lower offset than stock then you put more strain on all the parts that are connected to the wheel which could lead to premature failure of the parts but only in the far future



as for the place of install they only usually care about stretching tires or using larger diameter tires because both are not "safe"

as for mechanic.....it's a liability for him to advice anything outside of spec thats it

One thing he did tell me was I should be looking for an offset between 35 and 45 and these came in a 35 off set. So I figured the issue was the 18x8.75 vs the stock 18x7.5 and that my stock tire wouldn't fit the wheel but he said no the wheel itself wouldn't fit and I'd need to drop a wheel size. He told me no higher than 18x8.

If you're all telling me that I'm safe and this will fit I think I'm going to call the other Tire City nearby since this guy either doesn't know much or just didn't want to be bothered to help me.

One thing he did tell me was I should be looking for an offset between 35 and 45 and these came in a 35 off set. So I figured the issue was the 18x8.75 vs the stock 18x7.5 and that my stock tire wouldn't fit the wheel but he said no the wheel itself wouldn't fit and I'd need to drop a wheel size. He told me no higher than 18x8.

If you're all telling me that I'm safe and this will fit I think I'm going to call the other Tire City nearby since this guy either doesn't know much or just didn't want to be bothered to help me.

wheel will fit no problem

the tire on the other hand will have to be just slightly stretched since its spec'ed for up to 8.5 but ppl put em on 9.5" and are just fine

Hey guys, im going to go ahead an post here. I think i can answer my own question but i wanna be sure and get a few opinions. I have bee lookin at Enkei RP03's in the special Brilliant coating finish. The only problem is that nobody has them in the size, width, offset i want. the only ones i have found: please take in to consideration that I will be dropping on Ksports whenever the come to earth and stretching stockies for now.


18 x 9 +15
correct me if im wrong but will these POKE POKE POKE out front and be decently flush in the rear?

they also offer in the wheel in silver and have these sizes:

18 x 8.5 +30/+35
18 x 9 +18/+40
18 x 9.5 +38

I would prefer 9" width due to them being 18.3 lbs all others are 21lbs

thank for any advice gents!

How does stretching the tire affect it over time? Would I be better off going with a different tire or is it no big deal to keep the stocks?

How does stretching the tire affect it over time? Would I be better off going with a different tire or is it no big deal to keep the stocks?


stretching it 0.25" is virtually nothing...

Thanks a lot. I appreciate your patience with my ignorance on these matters. I like to do my research. Especially when I'll be spending hundreds of dollars. Don't want to screw myself because I wasn't informed. I've been reading around trying to soak in what I can so I'm not completely clueless. I'm gonna call the other tire place and see about getting these bad boys installed. From what I hear these are on back order so I may have to wait a while.lol

Hey guys, im going to go ahead an post here. I think i can answer my own question but i wanna be sure and get a few opinions. I have bee lookin at Enkei RP03's in the special Brilliant coating finish. The only problem is that nobody has them in the size, width, offset i want. the only ones i have found: please take in to consideration that I will be dropping on Ksports whenever the come to earth and stretching stockies for now.


18 x 9 +15
correct me if im wrong but will these POKE POKE POKE out front and be decently flush in the rear?

they also offer in the wheel in silver and have these sizes:

18 x 8.5 +30/+35
18 x 9 +18/+40
18 x 9.5 +38

I would prefer 9" width due to them being 18.3 lbs all others are 21lbs

thank for any advice gents!

you can compare all these to the ones on the first page and see how flush it looks in ppls threads

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/442586/wheels.JPG


9.5 is a clear winner....wide tires will provide more grip and better handling and will look sick

also staying pretty much at stock offset means handling will not degrade

i have been going back and forth on the first page. i wish there were links to click on the wheels to see peep rides quicker! grrr.. thank you scion 202!

i have been going back and forth on the first page. i wish there were links to click on the wheels to see peep rides quicker! grrr.. thank you scion 202!

u can always add spacers.....

but if you get a wheel thats too low of an offset then you stuck with it....

so if u've seen my fb lately, yuriy....i'm going to need ur special math brain soon, cause wheels are coming real soon and i need to figure out the offset :)

After all that I ended up going with Enkei EKM3 in gunmetal. I'm happy with them.

After all that I ended up going with Enkei EKM3 in gunmetal. I'm happy with them.
Pics please?

is there a spreadsheet for 19's? LOL

no because it doesnt matter, tire size is what matters

here is the guide to choose tires:

wheel guide (http://scionedge.com/diys/wheeltire/diy-how-to-pick-tires-for-19-tires/)

Geez, scion202 you iz of MUCHO HELP! thanks x47 <---bc im sure we'll be meeting again

ok, YET ANOTHER QUESTION!!! im tryin to make a statement over here in NE but i fear that i may be a lil too ambitious. the current wheel i am looking at is:

19x9.5 +35 with maybe a 1.5" lip (at most). im just curious if thatll fit all the way around. i would expect some stretching and some fender pulling, BUT...would it fit u think?

you should be fine. I put in pictures of my tc. the wheels are lorenzo 20x9.5 +35. you can see the fitment is perfectly flush. i am running a 225/35 tire so you can see i have a decent stretch. I too have ksports on the way and I intend to utilize the full drop. at full drop you will need rolled fenders. hope this helps.

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/Jason_Radney/Scion%20tC%20RS%207/IMG_20120423_185417.jpg

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/Jason_Radney/Scion%20tC%20RS%207/IMG_20120423_155044.jpg

http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss169/Jason_Radney/Scion%20tC%20RS%207/IMG_20120423_183845.jpg

have you notice any rubbing? i too will be droppin it as much as possible, but i still wanan be able to drive, you knw?

I do not have any rubbing. I have like 2 inches clearance when I turn my front wheels all the way. The only clearance issues you may have depending on the tire you use it the strut up front. but that should be erased with the coils as they should be skinnier then the strut that is there. Also keep in mind unless you make a set a A-RUCA that you will have significant camber in the back. Not sure the look you are going for. I like camber but keep in mind that if you take a stretched tire and then ad some negative camber that you are going to lower the contact patch significantly which will lower your handling.

I am not worried about that since I have a fairly big stretch I cant go into corners extremely fast anyways....I am going for a "low and slow" look :)

I too am looking for that CHILL STANCE, stayin low, creepin by. I feel like having 19's will help eliminate some of the camber issues but i dont really knw. I cant wait to see what these ksports do to your ride!

Yuriy, you might want to add this to the first post. i found it VERY useful

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

it has both rims and tires specs....the way i did it was compare the stock wheels/tires (225/45-18x7.5+35) so whatever wheel/tire combo i want

it gives u measurements in mm and in....the diagram changes as you change the options (including the offset)

it has weight, circumference, revs per mile, odo reading, and if it clears (based on general assumptions)

...the only it doesn't do is stretched tires (obviously). if the tire or wheel is to big for the other, it will automatically adjust.

Yuriy, you might want to add this to the first post. i found it VERY useful

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

it has both rims and tires specs....the way i did it was compare the stock wheels/tires (225/45-18x7.5+35) so whatever wheel/tire combo i want

it gives u measurements in mm and in....the diagram changes as you change the options (including the offset)

it has weight, circumference, revs per mile, odo reading, and if it clears (based on general assumptions)

...the only it doesn't do is stretched tires (obviously). if the tire or wheel is to big for the other, it will automatically adjust.


wow really nice

i just dont get why the hell their backspacing is wrong.......i have no idea where they get their numbers for it

wow really nice

i just dont get why the hell their backspacing is wrong.......i have no idea where they get their numbers for it

yea not sure...i was also hoping that if they had backspacing they would also have front

but either way...i just looked at it as a comparison to stock. like if their back spacing is X mm off from stock...is that X mm enough to cause a problem or no?

20x8.5+38
20x10 custom offset (i think its +40)

fits with no issues, no fender rolling...just stretched tires (and not crazy stretched either)

20x8.5+38
20x10 custom offset (i think its +40)

fits with no issues, no fender rolling...just stretched tires (and not crazy stretched either)


what tire size kj?

what tire size kj?


225x30
and 245x30

...but there was still room, so i could actually fit a bigger tire size so its not so stretched. i'm sure the rear could have gone 255 or maybe 265 and still have no issues