You Can't.:loser: No honestly I got the turbo on my tc, full turbo back 3 inch exhaust and got it tunned which was the hardest part of the whole build and I drove it home from the tuner and was sick with the money I spent and what I had. So off the parts went and I walked into the dealer and bought a 2011 STI. Buy Buy Scion. . My stock STI is faster than my Turbo Scion and Ill put money on that. And I have a warrenty, 4 doors, and a better trans. Went threw three of them in my tc. Now on the other hand man there is some great guys on this site and some great scion guys so dont make me out to be a dick just think before your next purchase. 20,000 for scion plus 5-7,000 in turbo build in hopes to run with the big dogs. Or take that 5-7,00 put it down on a nicer car and pay a little extra each month and have what you want. Im dieing to see the response commets on this. Have a good night.

Whatever makes you happy man it is your car and what you drive everyday. If you aren't happy then get something that makes you happy =)

Maybe you should of done more research on the tC if you were looking into a race car. After all it is still just a Camry engine and there is only so much it can do even if you throw in a turbo and some other parts.

Anyway the STi is a nice car enjoy it!

An Tc was never intended to be a race car first of all. I was really just ment for customization so when u boost the crap out of it and it breaks u cant get mad. I blow a motor before and the second time my time with it did research asked question and im doing it the right way. It take a lot to make a Tc fast and reliable plus patience if u dont have that u will be upset. If u wanted a fast car out the box that was ment for races u should of got an evo or sti from the jump. I have thought about getting an evo but i love the fact that the tc is an underdog so I'm finish it plus when i go to the spots or tracks im the only boosted Tc feels better than when there 10 sti and evo. But have fun with ur new car hope u enjoy it better than ur tc.


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2011 STI - $34-$36k
Scion tC - $20k-$22K

Is it me or is there a gap of 14 grand you have to play with here? Sure you can always buy your power right of the dealer lot. Hence the reason they make 500+ HP cars.... anyone can buy a car though. Then theres people who suffer through the aches and pains of building a car up.

like ^ bigG2148 said theres something about being the underdog thats appealing.

You Can't.:loser: No honestly I got the turbo on my tc, full turbo back 3 inch exhaust and got it tunned which was the hardest part of the whole build and I drove it home from the tuner and was sick with the money I spent and what I had. So off the parts went and I walked into the dealer and bought a 2011 STI. Buy Buy Scion. . My stock STI is faster than my Turbo Scion and Ill put money on that. And I have a warrenty, 4 doors, and a better trans. Went threw three of them in my tc. Now on the other hand man there is some great guys on this site and some great scion guys so dont make me out to be a dick just think before your next purchase. 20,000 for scion plus 5-7,000 in turbo build in hopes to run with the big dogs. Or take that 5-7,00 put it down on a nicer car and pay a little extra each month and have what you want. Im dieing to see the response commets on this. Have a good night.

....something tells me you didn't do it right.....but hey, different strokes....

You Can't.:loser: No honestly I got the turbo on my tc, full turbo back 3 inch exhaust and got it tunned which was the hardest part of the whole build and I drove it home from the tuner and was sick with the money I spent and what I had. So off the parts went and I walked into the dealer and bought a 2011 STI. Buy Buy Scion. . My stock STI is faster than my Turbo Scion and Ill put money on that. And I have a warrenty, 4 doors, and a better trans. Went threw three of them in my tc. Now on the other hand man there is some great guys on this site and some great scion guys so dont make me out to be a dick just think before your next purchase. 20,000 for scion plus 5-7,000 in turbo build in hopes to run with the big dogs. Or take that 5-7,00 put it down on a nicer car and pay a little extra each month and have what you want. Im dieing to see the response commets on this. Have a good night.


......sorry, this post gets funnier the more times I read it....

......sorry, this post gets funnier the more times I read it....

Just quit reading!
It's worthless!

Just quit reading!
It's worthless!

:)...I can't, because every time I notice something new....like just now....the sig. PT Tuned--Really?!

The reason its slow its because you did not add any hellaflush stickers to your rear window and u did not add a "Powered By TRD" in the front. U probably didn't even smoke the taillights. Every tC 2 needs those basic mods in order to be fast.

JDM YO!!
Oh wait... theres not even a JDM equivalent

what kit did you have..what psi where you running,what power,why did you buy a scion and boost it knowing,theres not meant to be super fast cars,someone didnt do there research

good luck upgrading the sti on a budget.

:)...I can't, because every time I notice something new....like just now....the sig. PT Tuned--Really?!


http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2008/12/pt1_01.jpg

2011 STI - $34-$36k
Scion tC - $20k-$22K

Is it me or is there a gap of 14 grand you have to play with here? Sure you can always buy your power right of the dealer lot. Hence the reason they make 500+ HP cars.... anyone can buy a car though. Then theres people who suffer through the aches and pains of building a car up.

like ^ bigG2148 said theres something about being the underdog thats appealing.

^^ good points. I'm certainly not gonna bash a new STi. It's a nice friggin' car hands down. Everyone likes something performance wise a little different whether it's a tC or something else. I quoted STITCHES' for pointing out the price gap between the two.
Easy research is gonna tell you that you're probably not going to get near the performance of a bone stock STi with a tC even turbo'd. If you weren't getting a serious amount of increased performance by spending that extra 10-14K, then it would be pointless to do so and anyone that did buy one would be getting seriously ripped off. lol.
Just my 2 cents.

Meh, my boss has a 2010 wrx and we go side by side until 4th hear then he pulls and it's not by much. Were both stick and good drivers. STIs are nice but by no mean fast lol. I can turbo an ls integra ad beat an Sti. It's all about how u build it. $ per $ if u know what ur doing the tc will be caste For less $ but u won't have te warenty. That's basicky the only good point u made.

STi is a great car and I'm sure you're going to love it. Can't complain about any car that can do 0-60mph in under 5 sec while still being able to get you and your friends to the lodge on a weekend ski trip!

As for the tC, it sounds like you didn't have realistic expectations for it. No matter how much money you throw at the tC2, you won't EVER get it to be as fast in a straight line as the "big dogs" and still be a functional daily driver.

The joy of the tC (and any Scion) isn't in straight line speed. Three letters should explain it. "FWD" The tC2 is great because of how easy and relatively inexpensive it is to modify. The happy tC2 owners on here generally fall into 1 of 2 groups. 1) Can't afford a $30K+ car. 2) Can afford a more expensive car, but would rather spend the money to make a less expensive car their own unique creation rather than a cool car just like everyone else's cool car.

I really enjoy tinkering with my car. If I bought it already built exactly the way I wanted it, I'd end up buying another car just so I could tinker with something.

One last note. If you really want to see performance, take your new STi out to an AutoX event. Watch the Miatas and Celicas own the Mustangs, Camaros and STis on the track. Then we'll talk about "big dogs." :)

STi is a great car and I'm sure you're going to love it. Can't complain about any car that can do 0-60mph in under 5 sec while still being able to get you and your friends to the lodge on a weekend ski trip!

As for the tC, it sounds like you didn't have realistic expectations for it. No matter how much money you throw at the tC2, you won't EVER get it to be as fast in a straight line as the "big dogs" and still be a functional daily driver.

The joy of the tC (and any Scion) isn't in straight line speed. Three letters should explain it. "FWD" The tC2 is great because of how easy and relatively inexpensive it is to modify. The happy tC2 owners on here generally fall into 1 of 2 groups. 1) Can't afford a $30K+ car. 2) Can afford a more expensive car, but would rather spend the money to make a less expensive car their own unique creation rather than a cool car just like everyone else's cool car.

I really enjoy tinkering with my car. If I bought it already built exactly the way I wanted it, I'd end up buying another car just so I could tinker with something.

One last note. If you really want to see performance, take your new STi out to an AutoX event. Watch the Miatas and Celicas own the Mustangs, Camaros and STis on the track. Then we'll talk about "big dogs." :)


That is a great post and I agree with you 100% especially on the tinkering with the cars and realistic expectations part. I came from a Subaru SVX to the tC and I knew that the tC was not going to be as fast or handle as well but I still love it. I used to tinker with the Subaru and not be afraid of breaking anything because it was old but I have had more fun playing with the tC. I don't have much money to spend on the car but with the little I have spent on it (and more to come :biggrin: ) I have had one hell of a fun experience. It's fun to bring it from stock to modified even with simple mods. I do miss being able to take off-ramps at 3x the posted speed limit (some of them, especially the tight ones, 4x on one :eek:) and have quick acceleration but I understand what the tC is and I love it to death. I plan on keeping it for 10+ years and I'll enjoy every minute of it.

Not to be a dick, but I think OP is lacking more than just realistic expectations.

DSPORT MAG 12/12/2011 stock same day 91 octane
MSRP
0-60
1/4 Mile Fontana
Lap + MPH Willow Springs
Dynojet

2011 WRX STI
33,995
4.90
13.594 101.27
1:28.80 103.42 mph
244 whp
AWD

2012 Scion TC
18,575
7.46
15.811 87.14 mph
1:33.76 95.3 mph
175.1 whp
FWD


Price difference is $15,420 no tax or license
Insurance for me 23 years old living in LA STI $300 TC $150
I went to the dealership to buy a STI but when I added it up not worth it for me. A 2007 STI is the same price as new TC want performance there is your answer just pay insurance and get the extended warranty.


My opinion if you want to spend 15 grand in a TC don’t do it my brother and I have been building Hondas for 10 years the headache is not worth it unless you want to build a 11 sec car or faster. :rofl:

Do not forget a TC is a fwd car more power less traction; you would need tires, suspension, mounts, etc.

Price out the door for LA County :eyes:
STI base
$38,010 What I was going to pay.
TC base
$21,439 What I paid.
10k down 60 months 3.7 APR
Payment 484 vs 210
Insurance 300 vs 150
$784 vs $360
Performance for me is not a big issue since my bro has a 11 sec civic that we drag and track.

Hey guys didnt get to read all the post wasnt meant to be a ___ I do love this site. Just its worth the price gap to me. Also I never went pt tuned. I mean how long do you wait. I ended going to a dezod kick after a few weeks. Thanks once again

I dont know man, I still think the STI is slow too. But I have two honda super sport 1000cc street bikes, along with my boosted tc, and civic SI Ep3 - so i guess its all relevant. To me, cars really are not that fast - but its enjoying your platform you purchased, so if the STI suits you man, than thats awesome. I still miss my Porsche I had in high school.

Congrats on your new purchase - I will say it is a better choice of a car (I think) because of the AWD, power bump up, and 4 doors. I am not sure about maintaining/reliability with subie, but I am sure its fine. Any time you can get stuff that is factory installed, and better quality - you will ALWAYS do better IMHO.

NIC cards? PT Tuned.

ATM . . . achine.

Having owned both my tc was faster on 8 psi than my STI at 20 psi. The STi doesnt have straight speed like the the tc did but the STI isnt made for that.

Having owned both my tc was faster on 8 psi than my STI at 20 psi. The STi doesnt have straight speed like the the tc did but the STI isnt made for that.

I agree. I used to own an 05 STi. It was a really nice car, yet very expensive to modify. It dyno'd around 260ish-270ish whp stock, maybe more. However, the car was 35k before taxes and fees. I paid about 23k total for my tC2 and put probably 6k into parts and labor and I'm putting down 367 whp.

So, for me, saving an extra 6k for 100 whp more was worth it. Yes, it isn't an AWD monster like STi's can be, but I know for the price point, there isn't anything out there that is 29k with the same power rating at the wheels.

I agree. I used to own an 05 STi. It was a really nice car, yet very expensive to modify. It dyno'd around 260ish-270ish whp stock, maybe more. However, the car was 35k before taxes and fees. I paid about 23k total for my tC2 and put probably 6k into parts and labor and I'm putting down 367 whp.

So, for me, saving an extra 6k for 100 whp more was worth it. Yes, it isn't an AWD monster like STi's can be, but I know for the price point, there isn't anything out there that is 29k with the same power rating at the wheels.

^^^This is the point.....It's been said in threads numerous times when new tc owners complain about out the box performance. I know a lot of us buy the car for reliability, easy customization...etc. But for those who look for power, or measure the tC next to evo, sti, etc. read this post. When it's done right, the tC will more than stand up...if it doesn't, than you took shortcuts. Or watch the video of Rhythmnsmoke lapping 335i and evo on an oval track.

^^^This is the point.....It's been said in threads numerous times when new tc owners complain about out the box performance. I know a lot of us buy the car for reliability, easy customization...etc. But for those who look for power, or measure the tC next to evo, sti, etc. read this post. When it's done right, the tC will more than stand up...if it doesn't, than you took shortcuts. Or watch the video of Rhythmnsmoke lapping 335i and evo on an oval track.

^^ part of the thought I was having on this one...
I've been building performance cars for more years then I care to admit to, so I know there are a lot like me out there that prefer and get more satisfaction and pride out of being able to say "Yes it's mine, and it's Built... NOT bought."

I have to put in my two cents for the heck of it. I did not buy my car because of the performance stats. I bought the car because I could afford it and its much better looking than any comperable car ex. Civic, Camry, Jetta. Also I could get a manual trans. All of those other brands couldnt find a manual. With that said........ I am slowly modifying my tC2 and would not mind it being faster but I know that it will not be taking on vetts unless I willing to drop 10,000 which Im not but I love this car

STi is a great car and I'm sure you're going to love it. Can't complain about any car that can do 0-60mph in under 5 sec while still being able to get you and your friends to the lodge on a weekend ski trip!

As for the tC, it sounds like you didn't have realistic expectations for it. No matter how much money you throw at the tC2, you won't EVER get it to be as fast in a straight line as the "big dogs" and still be a functional daily driver.

The joy of the tC (and any Scion) isn't in straight line speed. Three letters should explain it. "FWD" The tC2 is great because of how easy and relatively inexpensive it is to modify. The happy tC2 owners on here generally fall into 1 of 2 groups. 1) Can't afford a $30K+ car. 2) Can afford a more expensive car, but would rather spend the money to make a less expensive car their own unique creation rather than a cool car just like everyone else's cool car.

I really enjoy tinkering with my car. If I bought it already built exactly the way I wanted it, I'd end up buying another car just so I could tinker with something.

One last note. If you really want to see performance, take your new STi out to an AutoX event. Watch the Miatas and Celicas own the Mustangs, Camaros and STis on the track. Then we'll talk about "big dogs." :)

Hands down the best said response. I love messing with my car. Its all I really think about. "What can I do next?" When I first saw the tC2 I knew that's what I was going to get, all other cars that I might be interested in went to the way side. I love the question "What kind of car is that, that's awesome"

^^^ x 100000

Anyone can buy a fast car. Hell what's the point of having a fast car if you didn't do it yourself? Any rich dude can buy a $50,000 performance car and pay to get it turbo'd and beat everyone on the track.

If you can afford to have 35k for a sti and pay an extra 10k to tinker with it, then awesome, i wish i was you. But for us who don't have that much money to throw down, the TC is an awesome car that starts at a decent speed, and can get up to a fairly high speed.

Lastly, the TC is designed to be an economy car. So no matter what you do, it will never be as fast as those 45K performance cars.The point is CUSTOMIZATION, not elitism.

^^^ x 100000

Anyone can buy a fast car. Hell what's the point of having a fast car if you didn't do it yourself? Any rich dude can buy a $50,000 performance car and pay to get it turbo'd and beat everyone on the track.

If you can afford to have 35k for a sti and pay an extra 10k to tinker with it, then awesome, i wish i was you. But for us who don't have that much money to throw down, the TC is an awesome car that starts at a decent speed, and can get up to a fairly high speed.

Lastly, the TC is designed to be an economy car. So no matter what you do, it will never be as fast as those 45K performance cars.The point is CUSTOMIZATION, not elitism.

My point exactly. Sure I would love to buy a Lambo or something but whats the fun in that? You're not going to mess with that car. Its already been done for you. I want to build the car myself. Some people might call us crazy for ripping into the car the first day. Hell within my first two weeks I probably voided the warranty. I even told the dealer that, kept trying to get me to buy extra protection and what not. I was like dude, I don't need that crap. I'm going to void the warranty completely most likely in 6 months.

^^last three sentences are golden :)

^ And so true

I didnt have the credit to buy a nicer car, at the time. i really wanted to get an 2008 r32, but did some research and settled for my tc. Since then ive spent about 10k (still 9k cheaper) on moddifing this thing, not to race but because its what i like to do. Today my tc puts down 355whp, and i dust the Sh*t out of lightly modded sti's, Mustang's and evo's. On top of that i can say i built this, You Cant!

You Can't.:loser: No honestly I got the turbo on my tc, full turbo back 3 inch exhaust and got it tunned which was the hardest part of the whole build and I drove it home from the tuner and was sick with the money I spent and what I had. So off the parts went and I walked into the dealer and bought a 2011 STI. Buy Buy Scion. . My stock STI is faster than my Turbo Scion and Ill put money on that. And I have a warrenty, 4 doors, and a better trans. Went threw three of them in my tc. Now on the other hand man there is some great guys on this site and some great scion guys so dont make me out to be a dick just think before your next purchase. 20,000 for scion plus 5-7,000 in turbo build in hopes to run with the big dogs. Or take that 5-7,00 put it down on a nicer car and pay a little extra each month and have what you want. Im dieing to see the response commets on this. Have a good night.
Kinda what i went through some years back. Got a taste of what serious power is, sold everything, then stepped up. Miss my lil' tC once in a while....then i step on the go pedal and forget all about it.

Hands down the best said response. I love messing with my car. Its all I really think about. "What can I do next?" When I first saw the tC2 I knew that's what I was going to get, all other cars that I might be interested in went to the way side. I love the question "What kind of car is that, that's awesome"

Yeah, agreed with that. I could have gotten something more but I went with the tC because it's economical while still fun to drive. I think in this case, this is some of the reason the tC part of the Scion community gets crap. There's a great modding scene of enthusiasts who like to tinker and enjoy their cars but there's the misinformed ricers who try to make the tC something it's not.

Personally, I love my tC2 and in a few years down the road, I would love to get an WRX STI or a Mustang but I'll keep this car because it's more economic for a commuter but still damn fun to drive.

Not going to re-read everything, but skimming the thread, basically listen to MightyP, and some others. Buy a tC2 for what it is. It is a nice handling FWD car that you can customize the living poo out of. Will it fast? Only if you build it and invest a bunch of money.

Want fast? Read, research, and figure out what you want to buy. Hell, I run 10psi stock on the K03 in my B6, and with just spending $1k (intake, 3" downpipe, and ecu reprogram) I can go from 200hp/207tq to 280hp/325tq... but I knew that going in, vs just buying it and hoping. Before you buy anything, read, read, and read. Then read some more.

325 torque? Dang, Jealous

Hell, I run 10psi stock on the K03 in my B6, and with just spending $1k (intake, 3" downpipe, and ecu reprogram) I can go from 200hp/207tq to 280hp/325tq... but I knew that going in, vs just buying it and hoping. Before you buy anything, read, read, and read. Then read some more.

Wow. Cool!

Another tool and their sti.....and that natural backfire noise the car makes...$35k for awd and a turbo.............nothing else. Money well wasted

^^last three sentences are golden :)

I'm so serious. The guy looked at me and was like, what are you going to do it? I was like you wait and see. He was like are you sure you want to do that? I said oh yeah, thats why I am buying this car, Just for that reason, to modify the hell out of it.

^truth...when you're sitting in with the finance guy and you tell him you don't care about warranties and service plans, the look on their face is like you just spit in their mac&cheese. If you really want to send them into panic mode, tell them you don't want gap insurance. It's just too much for their business mind to handle.

The STI is great, but I prefer an inline 4 and the best one made is the Mitsubishi EVO motor.

The reason its slow its because you did not add any hellaflush stickers to your rear window and u did not add a "Powered By TRD" in the front. U probably didn't even smoke the taillights. Every tC 2 needs those basic mods in order to be fast.

JDM YO!!
Oh wait... theres not even a JDM equivalent

LOL!

I'm laughing at all the race car comments...like ANY car in your price range is a race car right off the show room floor. That includes Evo's and STI's. The turbo tC not being faster than a stock STI is funny too....

I'm laughing at all the race car comments...like ANY car in your price range is a race car right off the show room floor. That includes Evo's and STI's. The turbo tC not being faster than a stock STI is funny too....

Truth.