so i was thinking... since there is one for every other car......

what do you guys think will come out first....

turbo kit/ supercharger (actually hit shelves)



who do you think will take a stab at it first ( any suppliers on here?)



you think TRD will make options for this....



and what kind of numbers yall think it will put down modified



im still iffy on this car

i think a turboi kit/ upgrades will be produced first

i think greddy will hit the ground running....
i would love to see a ptunning kit.....

i really dont see a supercharger coming out of this..

im sure TRD will work something out..... i just hope it aiont a supercharger..lol

would be nice to see numbers clear into the high 300's but dont we all want that...lol

I'd bet on Greddy having something out before TRD. There's been speculation about a TRD branded s/c coming eventually.

I believe a turbo kit would be out first also. not a fan of superchargers my self.

I think Greddy is ready to release one. They also need to produce a low coilover kit cuz that car is way to high at stock height

im still iffy on this car

Flat Subby four with 12.5:1 comp ratio AND direct injection. I feel the same way.

TRD Europe is working on a Supercharger. No word if it'll end up over here (probably not).

GReddy has prototype parts (as seen on the black FR-S) but a turbo kit isn't in the works yet. It's still in debate (worried by the compression ratio being high).

seems like i am only one of maybe 3 people who don't want to turbo or supercharge this thing. lol

seems like i am only one of maybe 3 people who don't want to turbo or supercharge this thing. lol

I'm on the same boat as you. I want to do minor mods to top off the power, but I think this will be almost perfect from the factory. Just needs some tuning after driving the car for a bit.

iv been looking at direct injection and it seems almost perfect for boost as long as fuel pressure is high enough. Though iv heard from others with experiance with direct injection (standard gas apps) that they can be fouled fairly easily. Ford is using DI in the taurus sho while being twin turbocharged if that says anything.

if you go to greddy's post in the lounge you will see they are already working on a turbo kit.

Originally Posted by Syldrin http://www.scionlife.com/forums/images/genesis/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.scionlife.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3951692#post3951692)
Dear GreddyStaff: i just want to start off saying i love you. secondly i would like to know what steps have been taken to bring your afore mentioned turbo kit to reality. has R&D begun? or is this just something that greddy plans on doing? are there restrictions holding you guys back like say scion corprate until the car is released? i look forward to your reply. :D

Syldrin, thanks for the support!

We do plan on developing a turbo kit in the near future. To answer your question "has R&D begun?", maybe :wink:. Before we prototype or develop anything, thorough research needs to be conducted. Upon analyzing the data and market, the project will advance into the next step. It's a step by step process that can't be rushed to ensure quality is applied. This principle applies to our entire product line and not just turbo kits.

Stay tuned...

saw this today:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/03/scion-fr-s-turbo-spotted-testing-at-laguna-seca/

I'm on the same boat as you. I want to do minor mods to top off the power, but I think this will be almost perfect from the factory. Just needs some tuning after driving the car for a bit.

I agree as well. I think there's room for hope of a turbo, eventually. But considering this is going to be a completely new car, I'd rather get one, love it, not mess with it too much, and trade it for the next better version.

That way, you can drive, mod and boost one that has had it's kinks worked out.

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saw this today:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/01/03/scion-fr-s-turbo-spotted-testing-at-laguna-seca/
you beat me to it i was just about make a thread about this.

I like the more linear power delivery you'd get from a supercharger, but have always wanted a car that sounded like the prodrive p2 for anyone that's seen that episode of Top Gear. I dont have any sources but I thought TRD was working on a SC kit and Subaru was working on a factory Turbo possibly for the sti version of the brz.

the new issue of top gear magazine has articles on the BRZ and the 86. in there they say that the reps from subaru say they will not be putting a turbo in the brz but they could put stronger valvetrain in the motor and increase the rev limit.

the new issue of top gear magazine has articles on the BRZ and the 86. in there they say that the reps from subaru say they will not be putting a turbo in the brz but they could put stronger valvetrain in the motor and increase the rev limit.
hmmm i wonder when power starts to fall off on the car. if it makes power all the way to red line that would be insane.

Nice video . Now we just need closer look

Flat Subby four with 12.5:1 comp ratio AND direct injection. I feel the same way.
how much boost would be safe for that, seeing thier passed record? on 93 octane min.

how much boost would be safe for that, seeing thier passed record? on 93 octane min.
3 psi

Would this car be a viable n/a application? I know alot of ppl try it with the 2azfe but they dont get much out of it (in comparison to turbo application).

Would this car be a viable n/a application? I know alot of ppl try it with the 2azfe but they dont get much out of it (in comparison to turbo application).
rumormill says yes but the car isnt out and modded yet so who knows at this point.

Would this car be a viable n/a application? I know alot of ppl try it with the 2azfe but they dont get much out of it (in comparison to turbo application).
i think most manufactures max out most thier hp, nowadays. removing cats, and tune might be the biggest gains. will find out. i dont see toyota boosting this thing, i think it's like the s2000 in it own way.

3 psi
so it is opposite of the 2az-fe, boost friendly.

With hondas s2k's we tune for 14.5psi on a stock 11.7 to 1 compression motor (480whp). I think 10 psi would be doable on the FRS.

With hondas s2k's we tune for 14.5psi on a stock 11.7 to 1 compression motor (480whp). I think 10 psi would be doable on the FRS.
I did not know this.

I don't know a ton about civics and that stuff but I thought the majority of turbo civic were non si and The si civics weren't turboed as often because of the higher compression ratio. Isn't a high compression ratio undesirable for forced induction?

I don't know a ton about civics and that stuff but I thought the majority of turbo civic were non si and The si civics weren't turboed as often because of the higher compression ratio. Isn't a high compression ratio undesirable for forced induction?

Generally yes, but the s2k motor is so efficient that it makes more hp per pound of boost then any othe motor we have encountered. So it doesn't take much to make a lot of power. 480whp on less than 15psi of boost is practically unheard of for a 4 cylinder, usually takes 30 psi plus for an evo on the same turbo to make those numbers ( for example), and the motor is the same displacement. Hopefully the FRS engine is efficient.

^^^but tuning around the direct injection is gonna be tricky no?

The ecu is tunable from the factory. There are people who have said the Di is beneficial.

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^^^but tuning around the direct injection is gonna be tricky no?

I heard leaving the direct injection alone and playing with the port injection will be easy and beneficial in many ways.

i love the sound of subbies, but hate the problems that always come up, as far as blown motors. is this motor out, and in any other cars?

Generally yes, but the s2k motor is so efficient that it makes more hp per pound of boost then any othe motor we have encountered. So it doesn't take much to make a lot of power. 480whp on less than 15psi of boost is practically unheard of for a 4 cylinder, usually takes 30 psi plus for an evo on the same turbo to make those numbers ( for example), and the motor is the same displacement. Hopefully the FRS engine is efficient.
Yeah, this one did it at 13.7 psi http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2967027&highlight=s2k+stock

cant compare honda, with subbies reputation for detonation.

This is a completely new engine, developed by Subaru for this chassis. A similar version is available in the new Impreza and Forester, but don't pass too much judgement on it yet based on the EJ series issues.

And there are lots of very powerful, very reliable EJ's out there, but yes, some people have had issues.

This is a completely new engine, developed by Subaru for this chassis. A similar version is available in the new Impreza and Forester, but don't pass too much judgement on it yet based on the EJ series issues.

And there are lots of very powerful, very reliable EJ's out there, but yes, some people have had issues.
just wondering, since ken gushi said it didn't have much power.

Im wondering if since it uses an existing motor from Subaru if you could use one of there existing kits for that engine with slight modifications??

Im wondering if since it uses an existing motor from Subaru if you could use one of there existing kits for that engine with slight modifications??

Full-race is doing a turbo kit for it.

it isn't using an existing motor, it is a new motor developed for this car.

NONE of the above. I mean, sure some aftermarket company might be dumb enough to make a turbo kit for it but c-mon it's gonna be sti swaps all day long and or raping a dunzo wrx/sti motor and just slappin' the stuff on the frs.

This is a completely new engine, developed by Subaru for this chassis. A similar version is available in the new Impreza and Forester, but don't pass too much judgement on it yet based on the EJ series issues.

And there are lots of very powerful, very reliable EJ's out there, but yes, some people have had issues.


YES and NO. It is an all new motor but it was NOT by any means MADE by Subaru it was a VERY intertwinded collaoration between fuji heavy industries and Toyota.

it is VERY new and DIFFERENT than any currently available subie motor BUT much to the Toyota designers the block will bolt up to any Subaru transmission and has teh exact same engine mounts as any EJ thus ruining his car and making it something that ANYONE with only HALF a brain in their skull will swap a wrx/sti motor into this better rwd chassis.

i would love to see a ptunning kit.....

If there isn't one by the time I get mine, then I will have them custom build me one.

NONE of the above. I mean, sure some aftermarket company might be dumb enough to make a turbo kit for it but c-mon it's gonna be sti swaps all day long and or raping a dunzo wrx/sti motor and just slappin' the stuff on the frs.

oh sti swaps all day long? with what transmission is this power going to be put down with. because the AZ1 tranny does not bolt up to the EJ25 or EJ20.

That differs from what I've heard. and even if so I'm fairly certain people will make the swap work vs paying even more to make an na/t

Go look at the greddy page they said it looked to not fit. Now if someone tried it and it works awesome.

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Let's look at this through a wise man observation. If the FRS or BRZ was fitted with a turbo it would not be CARB legal and with a crack down in Cali with all these random CARB enforcement random checks I wouldn't risk it. If some tuner company would make a supercharger and make it CARB legal with say 270 to 320 rwhp I would be happy. TRD will make a supercharger for the FRS it's just a matter of time. Turbos on the other hand will come out tuner companys like there on fire and yes they are probably better in terms of power but do you want to take everything apart everytime to get a SMOG. Not me. Truthfully we should wait and see what ol subbie does because I heard there maybe a STi version of the BRZ in the pipeline. Well wait and see right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGso9oKcYtM&feature=player_embedded

I don't live in Cali, those rules don't apply to me...

We don't have vehicle inspections, or front plates.

:wink:

We don't have vehicle inspections, or front plates.

:wink:


OMG lucky! lol

OMG lucky! lol

Right?

I moved from MA, where I got a $100 ticket, for the TRD exhaust on my tC. :evil:

But yeah, you wouldn't believe some of the stuff you see on road here. I love it. haha

Let's look at this through a wise man observation. If the FRS or BRZ was fitted with a turbo it would not be CARB legal and with a crack down in Cali with all these random CARB enforcement random checks I wouldn't risk it. If some tuner company would make a supercharger and make it CARB legal with say 270 to 320 rwhp I would be happy. TRD will make a supercharger for the FRS it's just a matter of time. Turbos on the other hand will come out tuner companys like there on fire and yes they are probably better in terms of power but do you want to take everything apart everytime to get a SMOG. Not me. Truthfully we should wait and see what ol subbie does because I heard there maybe a STi version of the BRZ in the pipeline. Well wait and see right?
not so wise from this angle. the sti version will not have turbo, they do not want it competing with the other models. chp has been pushing road checks since the 90's, nothing new. im in so~cal and modded, pulled over and no issues. it depends on cop, and what your caught doing. trd supercharger? , we know how that went last round, didn't even last the model run.

NONE of the above. I mean, sure some aftermarket company might be dumb enough to make a turbo kit for it but c-mon it's gonna be sti swaps all day long and or raping a dunzo wrx/sti motor and just slappin' the stuff on the frs.

I guess you haven't had the same experiences with Subaru motors as I have... They are weak. I'd modify a motor Toyota has had their hands on over a Subaru WRX motor any day.

Diesel engines use direct injection now and they are pretty reliable boosted lol. I'm sure direct injection isn't worse for the the new motor. The VW GTI uses the same injection system and its boosted supposedly without issues. One of direct injections purpose is to lower the chance of detonation since fuel is fired in later than the pre valve type. In turbo applications, this means higher fuel pressure, not sure on n/a, but I would guess that maybe it's a little higher than normal.

Probly a trd supercharger. Hopefully it will better thought out put then the tc s/c. Lol. I'm expecting something amazing from the ptuning turbo kit....