I am interested in up grading my stock rims to 18s. I am wondering if anyone has the tein super street coil overs with pillowball mounts and 18" rims. I am trying to decide on the correct off set with these coil overs. Thanks for the help guys.

 

you can do any offset you want... those are adjustable coils. If you want to slam the car, you may have to roll your fenders. Lots of variables here.

wheel thickness
offset
ride height
tire size
camber

try this out, should help you get an idea of offsets and such.

http://www.rimsntires.com/specs.jsp

 

I have TEIN Basics Slammed w/ 1 Perch removed + 18x8 wheels w/ a 30 offset.

Dunno if the PillowBall option would make a huge difference?

 

Thanks for the suggestions, thank you AngHellicTc for the awesome website, that will come in handy.

 

Pillowball mounts serve the purpose of a solid mount to take flex out of that area for handling purposes. If you are slamming the car, handling is the furthest thing from your mind and the small improvement of the pillow ball mounts is overshadowed by the poor geometry from slamming the car. They also make for a harsher ride, so if you are not going for optimal handling and autoxing/tracking the car, they probably arent important to you.

Tein springs for the tc suck, hardcore, for any sort of decent handling. Thier coilovers are pretty good as far as off he shelf coilovers for the price. I run the ss-p's. Tein dampers will not be as good of quality as some higher end units, and you wont have the tighter spring rate tolerance of springs like hyperco or something equivalent, but for the price they do well. They are a billion times better than stuff like raceland, and have the correct rates front to rear to make the car handle well. But again, if you slam the car, you arent going for handling obviously.

 

And removing a perch is a horrible idea, although a lot of people do it. Those two perchs are what is holding up the weight of your car. Springs also twist when they compress. I have seen perches come loose on very good coilovers WITH both perches in place but just not tight enough.

 

engifineer, since you have the ss-p how is your handling and would you recommend them on a 2007 scion? thanks for the assistance.

 

Yes, they handle well. Just be ready for a harsher ride. But that is what you get when you run that kind of setup for handling. Of course, having the car set up properly makes the main difference. Not over-lowering it, having the alignment set right and a good rear sway bar paired with these makes the car handle like a completely different animal from stock. There is not any change in the 05-10 suspension, so I would say they should be great on any of those models.

Now, modified konis with higher quality springs would be nicer, but overkill for most unless they are autoxing or tracking the car a lot. I likely will go that route at some point if I keep going with this car.

 

Thanks engifineer for the tips, I have another question for you. What would you say is a good set up for lowered car but keep some sort of comfort while driving? Thanks again.

 

Most coils will be fairly stiff.

One of my buddies owns h-techs on stock shocks, 18x8 (e30?) and the ride is really comfy. But like engifineer said, those are well known to be too soft, and bottom out often, which my buddy's tc does do on larger bumps.

Another guy I know had hotchkis springs & TRD shocks. He said it was the most comfortable ride he has had. practically the same as stock.

I used to own tein s-techs / trd shocks, and the ride was brutal. My raceland coils that I have now are smoother. It was also too low for my daily driving.

Overall, I wouldn't suggest going lower than the hotchkis setup, strictly for comfort and handling purposes. I see engifineer post that anything below 1.4" from stock gets to be worst ride and handling.

Then you have to ask yourself whether or not you want to be static. Air ride, granted is expensive, but the ride is a dream. and you have infinite, on the spot adjustability of ride height. Definitely not for track racing though.

Staying static, and you aren't track racing, you could go with cheap coils (raceland), and by installing them correctly and not modifying them, you will be fine for daily driving.

IN MY OPINION, I would rate tc suspension as follows starting with the smallest drop, and most comfortable:

TRD Springs
Eibach Springs
Hotchkis Springs
Tein H-tech Springs
*All expensive coilovers (allowing you to adjust stiffness)*
Raceland Coilovers
Tein S-Tech Springs

 

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