anyone have these yet?
i'm deciding on tires for my new 16" rims and can't decide between a set of potenza re730's (discountinued tire, but had em before and loved them + only $75), neo gen's for $79, and of course the good ol' kumho 712 for around $80 a tire.

one thing i noticed is that the neo gens in 16" are only "V" rated (same as the kumho's), not "Z"... i'm leaning toward the re730's since they are full "Z" rated.

opinions? other tire in this price range?

the guys at spy motorsports (scioned.com) were really big on the nitto neogens versus the kuhmo 712's. and they sold them both at pretty much the same price. they told me that the kuhmos wear too fast. If nothing else the neogens have a sweet tread pattern. Hopefully someone has ACTUAL experience to actually help you.

please let us know what way you go.

the neogen's are all season tires.

your car will never go 180+mph (...well unless you strap a rocket to the back), so there's really no need for a "z" rated tire

in fact since our rides barely push 120 you should be fine with "h" rated tires

your car will never go 180+mph (...well unless you strap a rocket to the back), so there's really no need for a "z" rated tire

in fact since our rides barely push 120 you should be fine with "h" rated tires

I agree..The only reason to get a "Z" tire is for braggin rights. You also might want to consider the treadwear number. That determines how hard the compound of the tire is. A good tires has a good Traction rating also.

I have Nittos on my 17x7 Ice Metals. I like them just fine. *shrug* Wish I had gotten 2" lowering springs instead of TRDs, though. Was afraid of losing my warranty.

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thanks for the comments...
as far as the "z" rating comments of never going 180... yes of course i won't. however the speed rating often tells you more about the tires then the top speed. z rated tires are in most cases higher performance tires in all aspects, not just top speed. you show me a "h" rated tire that handles as well as ANY "z" rated tire and i'll listen to your arguments.

anyways, back on topic:

hnefrdo - yeah i know they are all seaon and if it's possible to have a performance tire that is M+S rated, then great... that's what i'm trying to figure out. if they are not truly a performance tire, just a good looking, decent performing all season tire, then i'll get the potenza's.

SCI FIRE- can you elaborate? how do they handle in comparison to other performance tires you've used (perhaps on another car?). do they seem "sticky" or do they squeel around corners?

Well, I don't drive like a maniac or anything, lol, but they stick... no squealing or chirping, so far. There hasn't been much rain here, so I haven't been able to see if they hydroplane.

cool thanks for the input.
any opinion vs. other tires you've tried?

actually kumho last pretty long...good on dry condition :D

I've had my nitto Neo Gens for a couple of weeks and 3000 miles, and I love them... definitely good grip, I've had to push hard to make them chirp and in the rain they handle just as good... V rating or not, they've proven to me to be damn good tires... no extra road noise and at a 205/45/16 they feel good on my Eibach Pro Kit springs...

2fixA - thanks for the response! got a question for you about size.... i see you are running 205 45 16's... what made you choose the smaller diameter over the 205 50's? i'm going through this decision right now...

umm take a 90 degree turn going 60 MPH.
try H-Rated tires..
then try W.. then Z..
notice its no where near 180mph but theres a difference.
just like rims..
u can't go half ___. u get what u pay for.
the phrase was made for a reason. USE IT!
as for neo-gen;s.. i give them 2 thumbs up.
i guess hit up spy for a deal if u can.
neo-gen's have a harder compound in the inside
of the tread so that lowered cars with camber will wear LESS
on the tire cuz its harder there.

yeah, i think my only concern about the neogens is how they will wear... especially considering the harder inside compound; cause i'm not running negative camber.

interesting:
neogen wear rating: 280
potenza re-730: 300

yet the neogen is a "v" rated all season tire and the 730 is a "z" rated summer tire.

hmmm...

i'm so glad this topic came up. i'm planning on getting some AXIS wheels and i wasn't sure what tires to get...or even know how to decide what tires to get.

Can some one please explain how the rating system works

So what i gather is there are speed ratings....from ??? to Z....Z being the highest rating

There is a treadwear rating...what is the scale? i assume this would be important to me because i commute way too far every day

There is a traction rating...what is the scale?

I assume i want all season tires here is socal?

Finally where do i find all the ratings for different tires?

Wow...sorry so many questions.

Thanks!

aimee

Neo-Gens are cool, im running on 215/35/19 and the best things about this tire is that they are asymmetrical, so unlike directional z rated tires they can actually be rotated for longer life .

Our dealership in San Diego runs Nitto Neaogens in 17, 18, 1nd 19" on our aftermarket wheel packages. I like 'em. They ride nice, not a lot of crazy road noise, and they can be rotated for longer life.

werd

i dug up some specifics for ya:
So what i gather is there are speed ratings....from ??? to Z....Z being the highest rating
ratings go from N(87mph) - Y(186mph)
they indicated the fastest speed you should travel on the given tire. of course they mean a lot more then just top speed; a Z rated tire is built to be more performance oriented then an H or even a V tire. hence the Z rated tire will perform better in all aspects of performance (handling/stability/etc...).
W and Y are just Z rated tires that are further rated for higher top speed.

more info here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/speed.htm

There is a treadwear rating...what is the scale? i assume this would be important to me because i commute way too far every day
treadwear is suppose to show the life of the tire relative to others. usually the higher the performance, the softer the tire, the LOWER the treadwear number and the shorter the life of the tire. most max performance tires are in the 200-300 range. these tires from my experience last anywhere from 10k-40k miles depending on your driving habits. since you commute long distance, you might want to look at a tire that has a good compromise between peformance and treadwear; or you might not care about performance that much at all, and just get a touring radial with a larger treadwear rating.
more info: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/general/utqg.htm

There is a traction rating...what is the scale?
C-B-A-AA
AA being the best, but only better then A in wet breaking.

I assume i want all season tires here is socal?
no. i live in socal as well and i'd say its one of the few places i would want a 3 season or "summer" tire instead of an allseason since we don't get snow on the ground. if you are concerned about performance in rain, just make sure the tire has good "hydroplane" resistance. all seasons are only needed if you encounter snow or ice... which we definately don't have in socal. the only thing they will do is hurt your dry performance.

Finally where do i find all the ratings for different tires?
go to tirerack.com... just put in the size your looking for and when you pull up some of the tires they will have the ratings listed under "specs".

here's and example (and a tire that would be great for your situation):
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Bridgestone&model=Potenza+RE750

Wow...sorry so many questions.
no probs. thats why we're here.

Neo-Gens are cool, im running on 215/35/19 and the best things about this tire is that they are asymmetrical, so unlike directional z rated tires they can actually be rotated for longer life .

ahh cool... so why do you think they got such a low (280) treadwear rating?

oh and also, on their website, they list "AA" for traction, but at discounttiredirect.com they are only "A". anyone actually know what they are?

I chose the 205/45/16 size tire for the looks to compliment my 5Zigen FN01R-C wheels, lighter wheels, "tight in" tires, all to reduce a bit of weight and rotational momentum... it's a small bit, and every little bit helps as long as a large compromise isn't necessary... i.e. the FN01R wheels are about 9-10 lbs, but are double to triple the price I paid for the FN01R-Cs... very comfortable, and I commute 100 miles each day over 101, 80, 880...

Thank you Cowboy! :D

i always recommend 5zigen's FN01R-C not because i had them on my other car.
but because they are such a good bang for the buck,... not super pricey
and u still get an original wheel.. don't have to live with owning a fake cheap one.

I chose the 205/45/16 size tire for the looks to compliment my 5Zigen FN01R-C wheels, lighter wheels, "tight in" tires, all to reduce a bit of weight and rotational momentum... it's a small bit, and every little bit helps as long as a large compromise isn't necessary... i.e. the FN01R wheels are about 9-10 lbs, but are double to triple the price I paid for the FN01R-Cs... very comfortable, and I commute 100 miles each day over 101, 80, 880...

yeah i was waffling between the 205/45 and 205/50... i ended up with 50 and i'm really happy... gives me a little bit more meat between me and the road, which considering i'm driving LA fwy's all the time is a good thing.
glad to hear your 45's are still comfortable though.
check out my rims/tires:
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