nutshell, I'm a mail admin for a large mail deployment and I got a complaint from the guy running this shop I'm about to mention, one thing lead to another and I asked if he was planning on offering brake upgrades for our beloved tC's

Witness!

Link (http://www.zeckhausen.com/Scion/tC.htm)

umm.... what shop/website????? but yes i'd love a set of brembos.

The stop techs offer bigger roters in their kits, and their kits cost a lot less.

how reliable is stop tech? Please PM response. thanks.

Our brakes are as reliable as any other. Dave Zeckhausen is a great person to deal with. he will not steer you wrong. You can shoot him an email if you have any questions.

StopTech has a dedicated Customer support lines. The ext is 105. Feel free to give us a call. If anything goes wrong, we will be there to help correct the issue. If you have any questions about brakes, I'm at ext 123. This information is posted to prove what kind of customer support we give.

First off, thanks to the two of you who PM me. I appreciate it. The reason I ask is, in some other post, a stoptech rep said something about piston numbers don't matter and another person on this forum said otherwise which seemed logical to me. Also, how reliable are you brakes and rotors? I don't want to upgrade and end with a warped rotor xxxx miles after i buy them.

The rotor should more likely last XX,XXX miles. Our brake kit is as reliable as most OE components. Because of out two piece floating rotor design, it is almost impossible to warp the rotors. On the two piece rotor design the rotor is allowed to expand and contract without taking the hat with it.

With good management of the system, and following the instructions, you should never have that warped rotors feeling.

Because we are able to have different piston sizings with our caliper, our 4 piston caliper is capable of creating as much brake torque as a 6 piston caliper. Also, keep in mind that more brake torque on only the front of the car is not a good thing. This will throw off brake balance which will make stopping distances grow.

One thing Dave recommended to me is to go with stoptech over Brembo as the stop tech ones are designed to work with the stock rear brake setup in our tC's.

The Brembos would create a front bias according to Dave.

And I second the he's a great guy to work with. Knows his stuff and sure has done his homework.

Damn it's a small world.

Go with the company that makes the big brake kits for Toyota...............

If Toyota trusts them, so do I.

I ordered mine.

Go with the company that makes the big brake kits for Toyota...............

If Toyota trusts them, so do I.

I ordered mine.

and which company is that? sorry for the confusion, but after reading so many posts in the last hour about brakes... i can' tremember it all.

Do you make a 4-wheel upgrade kit? Because if I'm going to upgrade my brakes, I'll go all out.

-Z

Do you make a 4-wheel upgrade kit? Because if I'm going to upgrade my brakes, I'll go all out.

-Z

4 wheel brake kits don't stop a car any faster, or shorter distance than 2 wheel brake kits.

The primary reason for big brake kits is more heat capacity. Rear brakes on the majority of cars are more than enough. Therefore the need for a 4 wheel brake kit is not there. The m3 that won at this race only has our front kit on the car. http://www.stoptech.com/press_releases/santadomingo.htm He was using stock rear brakes.

Rear big brake kits give a few benefits.
1. they look cool
2. better pad selections
3. easier to change the brake pads
4. they look cool

In other words, no we don't make a rear big brake kit. Here is some more about rear big brake kits. http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/rear_brake_upgrade_is_bigger_better120601.htm

I just wanted the rear brake kit to "complete the look." I want the stopping power, but I don't want people to look at my car and say "He could only afford half the kit" or "It's incomplete."

-Z

I just wanted the rear brake kit to "complete the look." I want the stopping power, but I don't want people to look at my car and say "He could only afford half the kit" or "It's incomplete."

-Z
Sorry, I forgot to mention, customers will typically pick up some rear lines, pads and rotors for the rear of their car. The rotors can come either slotted or x-drilled to match whatever is on the front. Also any one that knows anything about brakes will know that the front is all you need, but getting a rear kit for the looks is not a bad reason.

We want people to understand that the performance of a 4 wheel kit is not that much greater than a 2 wheel kit.

I would liked to have gone with Stop Tech brakes for my tC but they are a little pricey. I trust Stop Tech and their reliability since all the cars at Vivid Racing have them but I am going with Rotora since they offered me a sponsorship on the big brake kit as well as rear rotors for a fraction of the price. We'll see how they are at the end of the month.

Sorry, I forgot to mention, customers will typically pick up some rear lines, pads and rotors for the rear of their car. The rotors can come either slotted or x-drilled to match whatever is on the front. Also any one that knows anything about brakes will know that the front is all you need, but getting a rear kit for the looks is not a bad reason.

We want people to understand that the performance of a 4 wheel kit is not that much greater than a 2 wheel kit.

So do you guys offer the rear components(extra lines, rotors, pads) so that we dont have to worry about picking up some POS low quality stuff from an unknown company.

Yes, we have rotors, lines and pads for the rear of the car. There are p/n scattered through the site.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=586834&highlight=#586834

I try not to post them that often since sometimes it violates forum policies.

Is this a group buy? Cause it kinda sounds like it is. If it is, post some numbers.

Would there be any benefit at all to maybe just upgrading the pads and getting Stainless-Steal brake lines?

Or would it just be more productive to save and get the entire brake kit?

Is this a group buy? Cause it kinda sounds like it is. If it is, post some numbers.

StopTech does not allow group buys. Numbers can be found through any of our distributors or our website.

Would there be any benefit at all to maybe just upgrading the pads and getting Stainless-Steal brake lines?

Or would it just be more productive to save and get the entire brake kit?
It depends on what you do with your car. If you will be taking your car to the open road couse then a big brake kit will probably be more suited. If you just drive you car around town and rare spirited driving, then pads and lines will help the brake performance. Going with some aggressive street aftermarket pads will allow the brake system to operate at a higher temp. Lines will stiffen up the pedal feel a bit. A big brake kit will provide a much stiffer pedal than just lines since the entire caliper is being changed. Please see our FAQ section it has questions such as why a person would need a big brake kit, what do lines do? etc. http://www.stoptech.com/faq/

Man I want that Stoptech big brake upgrade - I wish I had that kind of money... :(

Man I want that Stoptech big brake upgrade - I wish I had that kind of money... :(

You'll have the money once you get it back from tCtunerz!! :P

Man I want that Stoptech big brake upgrade - I wish I had that kind of money... :(

You'll have the money once you get it back from tCtunerz!! :P

That's a sensitive topic. :tap:

But yea, I hear ya 8)

Man I want that Stoptech big brake upgrade - I wish I had that kind of money... :(

You'll have the money once you get it back from tCtunerz!! :P

That's a sensitive topic. :tap:

But yea, I hear ya 8)

:rofl: Are they really closing their doors of business? There was s blurb about it on their main page but it was on April 1st. For the record I'm laughing at your post about your situation. The second you mentioned legal pressure, you got a response. Personally, it seems like this company has something to hide.

:rofl: Are they really closing their doors of business? There was s blurb about it on their main page but it was on April 1st. For the record I'm laughing at your post about your situation. The second you mentioned legal pressure, you got a response. Personally, it seems like this company has something to hide.

That was an April Fools joke. I was ____ED because they owe me this money - I believed it because it was all too likely. Then they sent out another note saying "Hey, we're not really closing"... I had mixed feelings. :tap:

Yeah, his 16-yr-old 'receptionist' (good kid, bad situation) said something but Quick (the owner) failed to do anything about it.

Back to brakes!! Or.......... my whining about not being able to buy brakes. :doh:

Stoptech,

Is your big brake kit designed to reduce the stopping distances, or reduce brake fade, or is it designed for both? If it reduces stopping distances, do you guys have any #'s? (or what your brakes have done for other cars)

While we are on the subject about brakes, I have a question about the stock breaks:

When I press the break really hard, sometimes I get a very upsetting sound coming from the breaks. I can describe it like a grinding sound and I can even feel it through my break pedal. I thought it would be the wheels that are dragging on the pavement but don't we have ABS for that purpose, for anti-locking wheels? I'm very confused and kinds worried about this...

any thoughts?

-Emil

I believe this has been discussed before, and it has been agreed that this is the sound ABS makes when it kickes in. I could be wrong though.

look u guys why dont we just get the front kit and move the brakes we had on the front to the back cuz there better, if this is somehow wrong plz tell me cuz it sounds like a better idea, stoptech?

emo, yes that sound is the ABS kicking in. nothing to worry about. in fact, if you brake really hard and don't hear that sound then you should worry.

chris

Stoptech,

Is your big brake kit designed to reduce the stopping distances, or reduce brake fade, or is it designed for both? If it reduces stopping distances, do you guys have any #'s? (or what your brakes have done for other cars)

Anyone that says their brakes will dramatically reduce stopping distances is not telling you the whole truth. Better tires get better stopping distances. Big brake kits give more heat capacity. It is possible to get better stopping distances, however it's not a dramatic difference. Our brakes do better because they are balanced. See our technical section and you will know more than you ever knew there was about brakes. http://www.stoptech.com/technical/

On a side note, we did manage to get a celica down to about 99ft, but that is after suspension and stickier tires. The suspension and tires will do more than the brakes.

look u guys why dont we just get the front kit and move the brakes we had on the front to the back cuz there better, if this is somehow wrong plz tell me cuz it sounds like a better idea, stoptech?

Front brakes are designed to be front brakes. Rear brakes are designed to be rear brakes. The front brakes are most likely not going to be able to bolt on the rear. It's a good thought though.

I just wanted the rear brake kit to "complete the look." I want the stopping power, but I don't want people to look at my car and say "He could only afford half the kit" or "It's incomplete."
<sigh> :no: If they are that stupid let them think what they want. Why should you spend more money because other people are too stupid to realize that rear brakes do very little percentage of actual braking.

I just wanted the rear brake kit to "complete the look." I want the stopping power, but I don't want people to look at my car and say "He could only afford half the kit" or "It's incomplete."
<sigh> :no: If they are that stupid let them think what they want. Why should you spend more money because other people are too stupid to realize that rear brakes do very little percentage of actual braking.

Ya, but even if I was looking at my car, I wouldn't like it because it would just look weird.

Rotora?

^^^^ :question:

^^^^ :question:

yo, no ones stupid. your stupid if you dont get his point. even though the bigger ones in the back dont do much, actually are overkill, but big brakes with the already small back brakes looks silly, i think big brakes and wheels look better than a body kit, it lets viewers know your serious about performance, not just looks. i would get big brakes if they came with front and back when i get the tc.

members like you are what make these forums a joke, you have to feel the need to flex nuts everytime you get a chance, really. but some people dont know as much as others, they come here to answer their questions, they shouldnt have to worry about sounding smart so they wont get critisism by obnoxious people like you. i see a lot of "stupid people" say a lot of "stupid things", but im not going to jump at the chance to humiliate them just everybody knows for the record that you knew that and they didnt. congrads dude, good luck with the rest of your life...

:rofl: breath in.......breath out.....breath in....breath out... Everything will be ok, really it will. I know some people can get me ____ed off too sometimes, but you just have to let it go. I'm pretty sure he got the point from your first post, your second post was kind of overkill. :P Here's a tip, go do yourself a favor and get a beer, or 2 or 3, believe me you'll feel way better.

yea i know but ive been seeing stuff like that for a week now and had held it in till now... misplaced aggression.

STOP TECH's RULE!

They are very cost effective too... You can replace the out side of the rotors (no need to replace the hat)... Rebuild calipers, pads easy to change...

Who is that speaking for stop tech? Tim? Howard? Jeff??

They come in Red, Black, Silver at no extra charge... Blue, Yellow, Green, Gold for extra...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/PerformanceNISMO/Car%20Stuff/IMG_1811.jpg

Damn those look nice! Id really like a set... Droooool.....

hey nismo do u knw how much they run?

check the link in the first post

yo, no ones stupid. your stupid if you dont get his point. even though the bigger ones in the back dont do much, actually are overkill, but big brakes with the already small back brakes looks silly, i think big brakes and wheels look better than a body kit, it lets viewers know your serious about performance, not just looks. i would get big brakes if they came with front and back when i get the tc.

i apologize for my comment. the point i was trying to make was lots of things people do to their car look silly, but they do it anyway. at least this way they will be spending less money to 'look silly' (by not putting pizza pans on the rear). as an aside, big wheels doesn't necessarily mean you are into pure performance if you go too far. but anyhow, i digress. if you want big brakes, go for it. you know that it won't do anything for the car but make it heavier, and you will be out some cash but your conscience will be clear knowing that someone that doesn't know simple physics as well as you do will think higher of your car (maybe they might even key it out of appreciation as they did mine, bastards). i wasn't calling the POSTER stupid, it was the people he was trying to please. you obviously aren't one of them. and i don't spend money so i can please other people, i spend it to please myself by making my car easier to drive (since it is a commuter car, not a sports car), handle better, stop better. maybe i'm stupid for thinking that way? if so, so be it.

members like you are what make these forums a joke, you have to feel the need to flex nuts everytime you get a chance, really. but some people dont know as much as others, they come here to answer their questions, they shouldnt have to worry about sounding smart so they wont get critisism by obnoxious people like you. i see a lot of "stupid people" say a lot of "stupid things", but im not going to jump at the chance to humiliate them just everybody knows for the record that you knew that and they didnt. congrads dude, good luck with the rest of your life...

i try to dispense information. truthful information. if i am wrong i freely admit i was so. i also search for such information. i try to answer their questions with their best interest in mind. like being safe, improving the handling/drivability of their car. maybe at the expense of looks. i'm not into looks (well i did get AP ;P no flames for that haha), but also realize that i am not at the other extreme either. i want shocks, not $1000+ coilovers that have to be corner weighed to get the results they want, not just the look that they think is cool. people that want their tC to be raked forward because they 'like it that way' and don't understand that doing that to this car will actually make it dangerous, thereby raising the chances of getting into an accident and hurting innocent people are what make these forums a joke. people that want to put on a turbo before upgrading brakes/suspension are what make these forums a joke. at the very least they should upgrade their TIRES. just because they did it to their civic does not mean do it here. hell, i came from a 85 civic that i drove for 10 years (bone stock to bolt on modified) and it was a very forgiving car with almost undial-out-able understeer and therefore perfect for me to learn what really goes on when you start modifying suspension parts. i did stupid things in that car but because it didn't have inherent lift throttle oversteer as the tC does i didn't get into anything i couldn't handle. i got the trd sway bar with mine because i was under the old school impression that FWD=understeer in all conditions. let's just say i have it on 'street' for a while until i learn the dynamics of this chassis.

i'm sorry for calling people stupid, but people on here that complain about every stinking thing on their $16k car is just a waste of bandwidth. the few people on here that know what they are talking about (not saying i am one of them, but i am trying hard to become one) are almost if not more jaded than i am. but those are the guys to read and learn from. they have been racing/tuning for longer than I have been alive. they know what works and what doesn't. they know the tradeoffs and the best compromises depending on what you are trying to achieve. if you can get past the 'not as nice as you would like' wording and see what they are trying to say then we will all have better cars.

as i look at the most recent posts i become more and more uninspired to read anything on this forum. maybe when autocross season is in full gear the posts will start to bring some great stuff to this forum. until then we are just going to have to get past the 'my gas filler door is too thin' and 'tC versus enzo' stuff. (i appreciate a sharp wit and keen sense of humor, but come on)

yea i know but ive been seeing stuff like that for a week now and had held it in till now... misplaced aggression.

my post was misplaced aggression as well. next time i will use it to tell people to buy tC's!!!! :relief:

thoughtful...
i just hate to see people attacked for opinions, im sure you understand.
anyways, i would prob just upgrade the back to match the front rotor type (cross-drilled or slotted), that would be more economical considering its just going to be a daily driver.
and your right, the senior racers are notorious for educational bashing. but i guess its their right, for the knowledge they pass on.
and also i think everyone that buys an exterior mod is concerned a little about what others think, considering we drive on the inside, so body kits, chrome wheels, graphics, brakes, headlights and tailights, all for getting others attention. just my 2 cents.

and really, we dont need to post anymore paragraphs, its cool now.

thoughtful...
i just hate to see people attacked for opinions, im sure you understand.
anyways, i would prob just upgrade the back to match the front rotor type (cross-drilled or slotted), that would be more economical considering its just going to be a daily driver.

and also i think everyone that buys an exterior mod is concerned a little about what others think, considering we drive on the inside, so body kits, chrome wheels, graphics, brakes, headlights and tailights, all for getting others attention.
and really, we dont need to post anymore paragraphs, its cool now.
i'll try to keep it short ;)

i don't let my pride get to me. if i do something stupid and get called for it, and get the proof to back it up, i learn and go on. people on the forums need to realize that they should do the same. if the people that know didn't tell the people that don't know (nicely or not) then they would continue to not know and make the same mistakes over and over. i don't want to be next to a raked, progressively sprung tC oversteering into me in an emergency maneuver on the freeway.

about your rear brake rotors, i recommend leaving the stock rotor and upgrading the pads to ones with a higher heat carrying capacity. that way they will never fade and last a lot longer (so, practically forever). slotted/x drilled are more difficult to turn and shave off the pads when you brake, making the initial bit feel better but you also have less total friction area.

don't even get me started on chrome rims :rofl:

STOP TECH's RULE!

They are very cost effective too... You can replace the out side of the rotors (no need to replace the hat)... Rebuild calipers, pads easy to change...

Who is that speaking for stop tech? Tim? Howard? Jeff??

They come in Red, Black, Silver at no extra charge... Blue, Yellow, Green, Gold for extra...


I thought I had my name in my sig. I better add that. It's Howard. Who is this??

STOP TECH's RULE!

They are very cost effective too... You can replace the out side of the rotors (no need to replace the hat)... Rebuild calipers, pads easy to change...

Who is that speaking for stop tech? Tim? Howard? Jeff??

They come in Red, Black, Silver at no extra charge... Blue, Yellow, Green, Gold for extra...


I thought I had my name in my sig. I better add that. It's Howard. Who is this??

Jason from Performance NISSAN... Whats up :)