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engifineer
05-07-2005, 06:19 PM
Since there are a number of electronic/electrical related mods going on, such as the gauge lighting mod, I thought I would share a little info on soldering for those who do not have much experienc soldering, especially on a PCB (printed circuit board). I hope this is useful for some. It is amazing how much easier the job is when you know a few things about the process. First big thing is to clean the connetion points... even if they just sit out a day or two! Oxidation makes it very difficult to solder. some very fine sandpaper works well for this.

1) For soldering on the PCB's, you will want a low wattage iron with a small tip. Typically someone with a lot of experience can use a higher wattage iron without damage as you will get better at making the solder joints faster. But I reccomend using a 15 - 20 watt iron for PCB work. You can get a decent iron at Radio Shack for very cheap. Try to get one with a stand and a place for a sponge ( I will explain this in a minute) . For PCB work I use a small gauge 60/40 solder. You can easily find this at radio shack. For best results with small components, use a small solder. Even better is a fluxless solder with a bottle of liquid flux, but this is harder to find and is more difficult to learn at first.

For those that plan on doing more than one soldering project!
I HIGHLY recommend getting yourself a good iron! Better irons will be temperature controlled rather than power controlled. A power controlled iron will work to provide the same amount of power to the tip at all times. The problem with this is that with different tips and different sized components you get varying levels of heat transfer, meaning the temp will fluctuate. A good temp controlled iron will keep the tip at a constant temp, so this isnt an issue.

The second benefit of a better iron is that most will be protected against ESD (electrostatic discharge), which can damage sensitive components on the board.

And the third benefit, of course, is the life of the iron. Cheaper Radio Shack irons will not last very long at all. I only mention using them because many people will buy an iron for this particular job and dont care to buy a more expensive one. But I really recommned a good iron for doing these types of projects.

I use weller temp controlled, digital readout irons. You can get one for about $120 and it is well worth it.

2) You will defintely want a set of tweezers, most of the devices on the PCB are going to be surface mount, meaning they are very small. A magnifying glass stand is also useful if you have one.

3) The sponge. An iron with a stand will come with one and have a place to hold it. If not, I reccomend a peice of sponge or a rag in some type of container. You will want to keep this wet while working. After heating up the iron, and occasionally between solder joints, whipe the iron on the sponge. This will remove small deposits and buildups on the tip. It will take only a few seconds for it to heat back up (as this drops the temp a bit). This is an important step that many miss. The small buildups not only cause poor solder joints but also interfere with heat transfer, which makes soldering more difficult.

4) After heating it up and whiping it, tin the tip with a small amount of solder. This coating of solder helps the heat transfer process.

5) Making the connections. One thing to keep in mind is that the solder will "wick" its way to the hottest point. So avoid touching the solder to the tip while trying to make a joint, it will simply flow to the tip of the iron. The idea is to make good contact with both the connection point on the board as well as the connection point on the part with the tip of the iron. This is where you can see the benefit of tinning the iron before hand, it adds surface area to transfer the heat. While touch the part and board with the iron, touch the solder to a point on the connection but do not touch it to the iron. This will ensure that it wicks across the connection point and makes a smooth connection. Once this occurs, pull the solder away and remove the iron by sliding it up and off of the connection. Do not move the part! A perfect connection , once dry, will have a concave drop of solder on it (not too much in other words) and will be shiny. A dull look to the solder means you may have moved the part while it cooled, which creates a "cold joint". These types of joints are prone to failure down the road. The entire solder process should take as little time as possible to avoid overheating (a second or two max on baord mounted devices). When having to hold the part with tweezers for the first connection, I let the solder on the tip make a temporary connection, then move to the other side of the component. This will free both hands so you can heat the joint and add solder as needed. Then return to the first connection and make it a better one.

6) Removing solder. One cheap tool to remove solder is called Solder Wick. You can also buy this at Radio Shack. Remember the "wicking" process I mentioned? This is how solder wick works. It is a braided copper material. You lay it on the solder in question, and lay the iron on top of the solder wick. The solder will flow through the braided copper towards the iron, removing it from the board.

7) Clean the board. You will see some dark spots around the joints. This is the flux in the solder. Clean this off with something like an old toothbrush. For jobs where I do a lot of soldering on a board, I actually clean the entire baord with warm water. Just make sure it is completely dry before powering it up!!! Also, if there are any motors, servos, etc you do not want to let water get into them, as it will take forever for it to dry. If you use water, use an air nozzle to blow it dry and then let it sit. For smaller jobs you can usually do it without water and be ok.

For soldering larger stuff like wiring, the same rules apply, only you will want a slightly larger iron and larger solder. Always place the iron on the opposite side of the connection than where you are touching the solder. With wiring, use heatshrink (also available at Radio Shack) rather than electrical tape to insulate the connections. Electrical tape will eventually come off. Slide the proper size heatshrink down onto one of the wires, make your solder joint, and slide it back up over the joint. Use a heat gun or lighter to heat it to the point that is shrinks down around the connection. This will leave a good and professional looking connection!

I hope this helps some people. I know I had soldered quite a bit before college, but had to take a short soldering class in college as well as a longer one at one of the jobs I had while in college, and it was amazing how much these little details helped! If I left anything out, or mispelled/misworded something.. just lemme know
:P

KingofQueens23
05-07-2005, 06:22 PM
Good Information.....Thanks.

crayonBOX
05-07-2005, 07:00 PM
ooh, this is a little "sticky" good write up!

engifineer
05-07-2005, 07:14 PM
Thanks for the comments! Does a mod have to make it a sticky.. or does the person that posted it have to do that?

jusdrivin
05-07-2005, 10:13 PM
Cool! thanks!

reagulator
05-07-2005, 10:54 PM
i think this is a must have for any soldering project
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=64-2991

engifineer
05-07-2005, 11:52 PM
i think this is a must have for any soldering project
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=64-2991

Agree for sure! Those things save a lot of time.

ratone71
05-08-2005, 10:23 AM
thanks

oneslowxa
05-09-2005, 12:55 AM
nice post!

VIP_tC
05-09-2005, 02:50 AM
Great post! Been awhile since Ive soldered anything and I didnt even realize some of those things. Will come in handy in the future!

dgHotLava
05-09-2005, 10:31 AM
Thanks for the comments! Does a mod have to make it a sticky.. or does the person that posted it have to do that?

i made it a sticky for ya...

good write up and tips....

Rivulent
05-09-2005, 12:30 PM
Found a government video on soldering, seemed to go with what you were saying nicely.
http://radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov/elab/soldering.htm

However, how close will soldering the led be to simply soldering those leads?

engifineer
05-09-2005, 01:49 PM
Found a government video on soldering, seemed to go with what you were saying nicely.
http://radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov/elab/soldering.htm

However, how close will soldering the led be to simply soldering those leads?

They are surface mount, which makes it a little different. All of the basic rules still apply though. With the surface mount devices, you will have to hold them in place more, be a little quicker to avoid overheating, have a steadier hand, etc. But they arent too bad once you have the basics down. For someone that is not familiar with soldering, I would reccomend purchasing some cheap components and a small PCB from radio shack and practicing a bit first. That wont get you surface mount experience, but will at least get you profficient at soldering before moving to the harder stuff.

Greg2385
05-10-2005, 04:35 PM
Great info... thanks for posting

finger11
05-11-2005, 10:10 PM
i've never soldered anything before... if i used that tweezer/magnifying glass thingie from radio shack do you think i'll be ok changing the color of my gaugues?
thanks.

reagulator
05-11-2005, 11:00 PM
The basic idea of soldering isnt very hard. its just doing it right is the hard part that takes practice. So that being said, just practice on some old wires and circuit boards and you should be fine

engifineer
05-12-2005, 01:49 AM
i've never soldered anything before... if i used that tweezer/magnifying glass thingie from radio shack do you think i'll be ok changing the color of my gaugues?
thanks.

As mentioned, just practice on something first. If you have something electronic that is broken and you dont want, take it apart and practice removing some similar parts and then soldering them back on. That will be somewhat like what you will be doing on the gauges. The tweezer/magnifying glass may work, but the board is large so you may need something else to prop up one side. Those magnifying tweezers are fairly cheap, so two would work perfect, one on each end. But if you have not soldered, definitely practice first. Once you remove one, you have to be able to put it back again, so its best to practice a little

engifineer
05-12-2005, 01:50 AM
Thanks for the comments! Does a mod have to make it a sticky.. or does the person that posted it have to do that?

i made it a sticky for ya...

good write up and tips....

Thanks !

finger11
05-12-2005, 01:54 AM
As mentioned, just practice on something first. If you have something electronic that is broken and you dont want, take it apart and practice removing some similar parts and then soldering them back on. That will be somewhat like what you will be doing on the gauges.

cool cool thanks. what kind of things would you suggest that i might have laying around my(parents) house i could use? we got a lot of random ____ we dont use. like a old phone or somethin?

VIP_tC
05-13-2005, 06:00 PM
Its been awhile since Ive done any soldering and boy am I rusty... lol. Anyways I took apart an old broken dvd player from 1997 and started messing with it but I was having some trouble removing the pieces that were soldered on it. Ill keep practicing. Also, I bought a 15 watt iron and the smallest solder I could find but it isnt the 60/40 like you suggested... I bought this:
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F011%5F009%5F007%5F001&product%5Fid=64%2D035
Will this work ok? It is 62/36/2 instead. The other thing I noticed is that it is talking longer than 1-2 seconds to melt the solder on the board, and I am also having trouble wicking it up with the desolder braid.

Most of this is new to me since most of my solder experience is just soldering basic wires and such. I suppose I need to keep practicing...

engifineer
05-13-2005, 06:35 PM
Its been awhile since Ive done any soldering and boy am I rusty... lol. Anyways I took apart an old broken dvd player from 1997 and started messing with it but I was having some trouble removing the pieces that were soldered on it. Ill keep practicing. Also, I bought a 15 watt iron and the smallest solder I could find but it isnt the 60/40 like you suggested... I bought this:
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F011%5F009%5F007%5F001&product%5Fid=64%2D035
Will this work ok? It is 62/36/2 instead. The other thing I noticed is that it is talking longer than 1-2 seconds to melt the solder on the board, and I am also having trouble wicking it up with the desolder braid.

Most of this is new to me since most of my solder experience is just soldering basic wires and such. I suppose I need to keep practicing...

The stuff on the board most likely is covered with an epoxy to protect it from oxydation. This will cause issues when desoldering. If it isnt melting very fast try scraping off the connection a little with the end of a knife or something similar. Also, make sure you have fresh solder on the end of the iron, this will improve heat transfer (surface area is increased). It may take a little longer to take off the old solder than it does to solder the parts back on since the surface is not completely clean. That solder should work fine for you as well. Just dont get frustrated, it takes a little while to get it down when you are working on PCB parts.

Hope this helps!

firesquare
05-29-2005, 02:58 AM
is that cold/heat soldering tool any good? i had used many soldering irong before. like electric and butane powered. is it worth spending my 19.99?

engifineer
05-29-2005, 03:03 AM
is that cold/heat soldering tool any good? i had used many soldering irong before. like electric and butane powered. is it worth spending my 19.99?

I am not sure they would be very good at this type of soldering. I have never used one, but I cant imagine you would get the same results as with a normal electric iron. I would reccomend a 20W electric iron for this.

jmiller20874
06-01-2005, 01:45 PM
DO NOT GET THE COLD HEAT IRON!

You WILL blow your gauges with that thing! If you're repairing jewelry or soldering wires together it's ok but if what you're soldering has sensitive electronic components, it will damage them.

The Cold Heat iron works by using whatever metal you're soldering to complete the circuit for the iron so it will heat up. In doing so it will spark as soon as it comes in contact. Not to mention that iron heats up FAST and HOT and you run the risk of pulling the traces clean off the board which is also fatal.

Get a cheap $15 15-20W iron from RadioShack, that's all you need.

engifineer
06-01-2005, 03:33 PM
DO NOT GET THE COLD HEAT IRON!

You WILL blow your gauges with that thing! If you're repairing jewelry or soldering wires together it's ok but if what you're soldering has sensitive electronic components, it will damage them.

The Cold Heat iron works by using whatever metal you're soldering to complete the circuit for the iron so it will heat up. In doing so it will spark as soon as it comes in contact. Not to mention that iron heats up FAST and HOT and you run the risk of pulling the traces clean off the board which is also fatal.

Get a cheap $15 15-20W iron from RadioShack, that's all you need.

Good info. I was not familiar with how they worked, nor had I ever tried one. As mentioned, you can get a decent 15-20w iron from Radio Shack for around $20 - $30 that has the stand and the sponge holder and has a selector for either 20w or 40w.

firesquare
06-05-2005, 12:25 PM
sounds good thanks for the tip! i would use the solderion iron for general crap as for some interior stuff too.

will the 15W be hot enough to solder stereo wires and small stuff like that?

is their such thing as a variable wattage Soldering iron?

engifineer
06-05-2005, 03:57 PM
sounds good thanks for the tip! i would use the solderion iron for general crap as for some interior stuff too.

will the 15W be hot enough to solder stereo wires and small stuff like that?

is their such thing as a variable wattage Soldering iron?

Yep, my radio shack iron switches from 20W - 40w. 40w is MUCH better for solder wiring.

More expensive lab setups have a variable temp setup. But that is a little more than you will need at home (especially for the money they cost :P )

If you cant find the one I mentioned above, just buy one 20w and one 40w. They are very cheap.

smokeyzx
06-17-2005, 11:24 AM
I had zero experience with soldering so I went to the local electronics store and bought a starter kit. It came with the iron, stand, spounge, solder, and two practice boards. I practiced on the two boards while waiting for the leds to come in. It became very easy to do it after the first board. I would highly recomend to anyone that has never this before. So I did the led conversion last night without a problem. that is until I put the tach gauge back on! I have reset it but the needle keeps falling back down, so it reads 0 rpm at idle. I tried to fix it 5 times now. Can anyone help?

jmiller20874
06-17-2005, 12:46 PM
Same thing happened to me. Sounds like you put the needle back on to tight. Just use the "2 spoon" method the lightly lift the needle. You should be fine then.

engifineer
06-17-2005, 08:12 PM
Yep, sounds like it is pushed down too far. I did that at first with my tach... it worked but stayed at 1000 rpm when I shut it off :P Just loosen it up a bit as jmiller said. Glad to hear that the soldering went well! I had my first real tough hand soldering experience in my first electronics job during college. When troubleshooting bad equipment, I often had to replace 144 pin flat pack processors (which cannot be baked on as they are when constructed because all of the rest of the components would be damaged). Soldering 144 pins that are only about .010 inches apart will drive you mad!!!! :P But good practice nonetheless

smokeyzx
06-28-2005, 12:04 PM
It is fixed now, the needle had actually moved. I had to keep prying off the needle and resetting it until it was right. Then I put it on too tight and had to loosen it up a bit. Thanks much guys.

engifineer
06-28-2005, 01:29 PM
^^ did the same thing on one. they arent always the easiest thing to line up

kkawana
10-27-2005, 11:12 PM
another little tip (hmm didnt realize how long this has been posted)
If soldering somthing and you are worreid about heat affecting the part... get one of those wires with aligator clips at each end.. put one side to a large piece of metal (other than what your soldering), and the other side on the lead between your connection point and actuall componant...
it will help "bleed" the extra heat before reaching any sensitive equipment.....
teachers at tech school recomendend that on just about any soldering job that wasnt just to pieces of wire being connected...

engifineer
10-28-2005, 12:15 PM
^^ Good addition, and something I forgot to mention. Using some sort of heat sink is very beneficial when you can fit one on somewhere, especially when you are still learning and tend to overheat the connection more. But this is always a good technique when feasible.

BruceLeeJr
11-05-2005, 05:25 PM
Many thanks to engifineer for all the good soldering tips'. My '06 Tc is on it's way, but I'm already thinking about taking out the stock Pioneer head unit. I already have an Alpine CDA 9833 with an Ipod interface (KCA 420 i) andf a Sirius interface as well. I plan on transferring that system into the Tc.

My dilemma is: How do I retain the functionality of the steering wheel audio controls once I swap in the Alpine?
It's such a cool feature that I don't want to lose.

My plan: 1) Find the harness for the steering control.
2) Open the infrared remote control that came
with the Alpine HU and solder the harness to
the corresponding points on the circuit board.
I'm no engineer, but I believe that this can be
done with a little bit of patience.

If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know.

ohcanada_00
01-07-2006, 06:41 PM
moving to FAQ. Good write up!

ack154
03-11-2006, 02:49 PM
Added to Tech... will move to FAQ as soon as I figure out where it went.........

Solerusscion
08-06-2007, 05:14 PM
Awesome write up I am gonna try it .... wish me luck