anyone know what country the tC will be manufactured in? and who designed the thing looks nice :)

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...

I'm almost positive it will be made in Japan.

Anybody know which factory?

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...

I really do hate ignorant people like this guy. "I hope it's not made in the US." A car is a car. A car is the same anywhere it was built. "I don't care I don't like U.S. cars." This is like saying "I spend $150 on Jordans, but I'd never spend $1.00 for anything made in China." Check your lable next time. Jordans are still made in China and Toyota has been making cars in other countries besides Japan including the U.S. for some time now. Anyways you idiot, cars are made 90% by robots, so what does it matter where their made? I hope you don't buy a tC because that would devalue the rest of ours.

PS: You are an idiot.

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...

I really do hate ignorant people like this guy. "I hope it's not made in the US." A car is a car. A car is the same anywhere it was built. "I don't care I don't like U.S. cars." This is like saying "I spend $150 on Jordans, but I'd never spend $1.00 for anything made in China." Check your lable next time. Jordans are still made in China and Toyota has been making cars in other countries besides Japan including the U.S. for some time now. Anyways you idiot, cars are made 90% by robots, so what does it matter where their made? I hope you don't buy a tC because that would devalue the rest of ours.

PS: You are an idiot.

Ok, well last time I checked the cars made in the US tended to have more problems. Even the President of Toyota has stated this. He has said that the part providers for Toyota in the US have more defective parts then the Japanese Toyota part providers.

And by the way, I asked one of the operaters on Scion.com a while back and he said the tC would be built in Japan.

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...

I really do hate ignorant people like this guy. "I hope it's not made in the US." A car is a car. A car is the same anywhere it was built. "I don't care I don't like U.S. cars." This is like saying "I spend $150 on Jordans, but I'd never spend $1.00 for anything made in China." Check your lable next time. Jordans are still made in China and Toyota has been making cars in other countries besides Japan including the U.S. for some time now. Anyways you idiot, cars are made 90% by robots, so what does it matter where their made? I hope you don't buy a tC because that would devalue the rest of ours.

PS: You are an idiot.

And you're really adding value to this forum by making childish and inflamatory comments, right?

I really do hate ignorant people like this guy. "I hope it's not made in the US." A car is a car. A car is the same anywhere it was built. "I don't care I don't like U.S. cars." This is like saying "I spend $150 on Jordans, but I'd never spend $1.00 for anything made in China." Check your lable next time. Jordans are still made in China and Toyota has been making cars in other countries besides Japan including the U.S. for some time now. Anyways you idiot, cars are made 90% by robots, so what does it matter where their made? I hope you don't buy a tC because that would devalue the rest of ours.

PS: You are an idiot.
Thank you for your very insightful and well thought out comment. Pablo xB, has stated the reasons for my opinion. I guess I should have been more clear, as I am obviously not the genius that you apparently are :roll:

Official statement from Scion:

"You are correct, the tC will be made in Japan at our Tsutsumi plant."

Rest easy folks. Or jump for joy. Or both. 8)

FYI, the following vehicles are made at Tsutsumi as well:

Toyota Windom (ES 300)
Vista
Camry (JDM)
Corona
Caldina
Scepter
Prius

The plant is located in Toyota City (near many other Toyota plants) and opened in 1970. In October 1999, the Tsutsumi Plant became the first Toyota plant to achieve “zero landfill waste.” To further reduce the volume of waste, the goal of achieving “zero combustible waste” in 3 years starting from April 2001 was established.

No small wonder they make the Prius there. 8)

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...

I really do hate ignorant people like this guy. "I hope it's not made in the US." A car is a car. A car is the same anywhere it was built. "I don't care I don't like U.S. cars." This is like saying "I spend $150 on Jordans, but I'd never spend $1.00 for anything made in China." Check your lable next time. Jordans are still made in China and Toyota has been making cars in other countries besides Japan including the U.S. for some time now. Anyways you idiot, cars are made 90% by robots, so what does it matter where their made? I hope you don't buy a tC because that would devalue the rest of ours.

PS: You are an idiot.

we are americans and most american workers are lazy and don't really take much pride in thinking about the end user (remember i didn't say all, so some do). people in other countries have a different work ethic. take the evo 8 released here in the states. the only part that has caused problems is a safety item installed here in the states. the problem was that it started to rust.

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...

I really do hate ignorant people like this guy. "I hope it's not made in the US." A car is a car. A car is the same anywhere it was built. "I don't care I don't like U.S. cars." This is like saying "I spend $150 on Jordans, but I'd never spend $1.00 for anything made in China." Check your lable next time. Jordans are still made in China and Toyota has been making cars in other countries besides Japan including the U.S. for some time now. Anyways you idiot, cars are made 90% by robots, so what does it matter where their made? I hope you don't buy a tC because that would devalue the rest of ours.

PS: You are an idiot.

we are americans and most american workers are lazy and don't really take much pride in thinking about the end user (remember i didn't say all, so some do). people in other countries have a different work ethic. take the evo 8 released here in the states. the only part that has caused problems is a safety item installed here in the states. the problem was that it started to rust.

O.K.

"We have some concerns about sustaining high quality," allows Atsushi "Art" Niimi, CEO of Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America, in large measure because North American parts suppliers average 500 defects per million parts vs. 15 per million in Japan. But if it works, and Lexuses made here are equivalent to those from Japan, Toyota will have exported a major upgrade of its already respected production system.
If that difference isn't significant enough, I dont know what is :roll:

I am certainly not a blind US supporter, and I've never owned nor considered a dometic vehicle, but I hate to break it to you US bashers -- if you look at the assembly point for most of the Toyotas and Hondas sold in the US you'll find they're built here.

Toyota is bout to move Tundra construction to TX by the way. Foreign manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Hyundai and others) are close to having more assembly line employees based in the US than Detroit's Big Three.

You can't base quality assumptions on where a car is built anymore. If you did, and you went by the stereotypes being tossed around here, none of you :roll: would get near most Hondas, Toyotas or Nissans.

I wonder why they jock american cars in Japan. Could it be because they suck and breakdown. Could it be that the grass is greener on the other side?

I am certainly not a blind US supporter, and I've never owned nor considered a dometic vehicle, but I hate to break it to you US bashers -- if you look at the assembly point for most of the Toyotas and Hondas sold in the US you'll find they're built here.

Toyota is bout to move Tundra construction to TX by the way. Foreign manufacturers (Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Hyundai and others) are close to having more assembly line employees based in the US than Detroit's Big Three.

You can't base quality assumptions on where a car is built anymore. If you did, and you went by the stereotypes being tossed around here, none of you :roll: would get near most Hondas, Toyotas or Nissans.

Whatever, dude. There are still plenty of "Made in Japan" cars to choose from. Oh yeah, that includes the Camry and Accord. They still make some in Japan, you know. And all of us that like our stuff to say "Made in Japan" are just expressing our opinion. That's just something we look for in a car, so chill out.

There is more than enough evidence to prove that Japanese-made cars are better than their American-built examples. I have found through lots of contact with others that Japanese-built Camrys are of higher quality than the American-made counterparts. This goes for the current generation as well.

Although Lexus recently opened a plant in NA to supplement RX production, it is written in their doctrine that "Lexus shall only be made in Japan." I think that speaks for itself. Once they move LS production outside of Japan I'll start giving you credit for your views. By the way, the Tundra in already made in the USA so I don't know what point you're trying to make about them moving production to TX.

My last car from Detroit fell apart, and was recalled about 8 times, mostly from poor workmanship. If you know about Detroits Ford plant, you'll find out alot of crappy labor comes from there. Just another example of shotty american work ethics.

Had a 99 Honda Accord that had problems from pretty much the first week of ownership.

Thought that the Japanese manufacturers were losing their touch especially after the constant dissarray of valve timing, warped rotors and other BS. Found out that after I traded it in for an RX-8 it was actually made in the good 'ol USA from the VIN.

Maybe the robots may have built the car but the humans that kept them tuned up sure done f@cked up.

Not saying it was necessarily because it was a US built car but definitely gives you food for thought.

Had a 99 Honda Accord that had problems from pretty much the first week of ownership.

Thought that the Japanese manufacturers were losing their touch especially after the constant dissarray of valve timing, warped rotors and other BS. Found out that after I traded it in for an RX-8 it was actually made in the good 'ol USA from the VIN.

Maybe the robots may have built the car but the humans that kept them tuned up sure done f@cked up.

Not saying it was necessarily because it was a US built car but definitely gives you food for thought.

That's weird, because I own a `99 Accord V6, made in Ohio, no problems what so ever. Other than regular required maintenece, I haven't had any issues. Forget about the country of assembly, take into account the quality of the manufacturer. You can say workers from X country are better than Y, but don't think that the corporate parent is going to allow their merchandise to suck. They have QA guidelines and that will determine the quality of your vehicle.

Blanket statements...sheesh! :roll:

Speaking from personal experience, i use to own a brand new, a Japan built 91 Accord lx, and US built 93 Civic.
Japan vehicle have better built quality overall (One example)by having less tolorent in missalign body panel. Next time when you see a civic, pay attention to how the trunk align with the rear quarter. (Check also the hood gap...etc)

If all car are built the same, then why bother paying more for a "German" car? BTW: German "Ford" have much higher built quality than Domestic built. For example: Ever seem a Escort Convertible? (One sweet ride) :D
How to read a VIN
1st character- Identifies the country in which the vehicle was manufactured.
For example: U.S.A.(1or 4), Canada(2), Mexico(3), Japan(J), Korea(K), England(S), Germany(W), Italy(Z)

Blanket statements...sheesh! :roll:

But in this case that blanket statement is true. By the way, C&D slammed the Civic with regard to quality and build. Not to mention all the problems the new Accords are having.

:roll: <------- ____es me off. :twisted:

I'm not saying you don't have a right to prefer anything. Like I said, I've never even considered a domestic brand vehicle regardless of where it was made. I just don't like generalizations that's all. Personal preference.

Sorry if I offended you, wasn't my intention. If it makes you feel any better I was thrilled when Volvo announced they were moving production of the new S40, since it was well know that the factory for the 00-03 model was below Volvo's usual standards. I'm not generalizing on that one, even Volvo admitted it. And strangely enough it was joint factory with a Japanese company. Of course, it was Mitsubishi which isn't saying a lot.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to prefer anything. Like I said, I've never even considered a domestic brand vehicle regardless of where it was made. I just don't like generalizations that's all. Personal preference.

Sorry if I offended you, wasn't my intention. If it makes you feel any better I was thrilled when Volvo announced they were moving production of the new S40, since it was well know that the factory for the 00-03 model was below Volvo's usual standards. I'm not generalizing on that one, even Volvo admitted it. And strangely enough it was joint factory with a Japanese company. Of course, it was Mitsubishi which isn't saying a lot.

No offense taken, bro. I just really like Japanese-made cars and I'm glad that Toyota is making the tC in Japan; they could have easily set up a production line in Kentucky, seeing that this is a US-only model.

The country, as well as company, of manufature does play an important role in the quality of a car. If in doubt, check out a copy of Consumer Report for proof.

The country, as well as company, of manufature does play an important role in the quality of a car. If in doubt, check out a copy of Consumer Report for proof.

OK.

Explain why Mitsubishi's all built in Japan have ____ reliability and quality, but Honda's and Toyota's built in the U.S. have excellent reliability.

Honda exports cars and parts from it's Swindon, UK plant BACK to Japan.

In some cases what you guys say is true, but there is no hard and fast rule. Mitsu____ty has managed to build utter crap in Japan for years. Lancer EVO's that rust after 1 year. Eclipses with leaky gas tanks and on and on.

I bought a VOLKSWAGEN (unreliable) made in MEXICO (should be terrible) and yet the thing had no defects I could find and it was perfectly reliable for 4 years and 60k miles. Not one warranty claim.

My japan-built Toyota T100 had the dashboard light short out within a week of buying it and then the radio stopped working and had to be replaced.

Just my 2 cents.

You should NOT assume people from certain countries take less pride in their work or are some how inferior. There is a name for that kind of thinking guys....

it's called RACISM

:?

Well I can't chime on what nation has the best quality but I am tired of seeing sub standard cars sold in the state and its ok because it is cheap..... I had a Focus and it was mentioned above that in Europe it is a verry well made car..... Won awards for quality build German TUV certified..... but here in the states it is a Sh@t Box..... :evil: :evil: :evil: ...... I've had mine since they came out in 2000 and I am done fixing this car...... :evil: the worse part about it is it has great potential as a drivers car... :cry: .... but my last toyota a Rav 4 gave me no problems for 130,00 mi in under 2 yrs... so that is what convinced me I need another toyota product....

it's called RACISM
its called statistics, not racism

If it follows the trend of the xA and the xB, it will be JAPAN!!! :D :D :D :D

I'm really hoping it is not going to be built in the usa...


yeah cause all those hondas and toyotas that are made in the USA just suck...

oh wait...

no they don't

I wonder why they jock american cars in Japan. Could it be because they suck and breakdown. Could it be that the grass is greener on the other side?



they DONT jock american cars in japan.

they LOVE them.

drive around in a z06 around tokyo sometime

some hard facts on domestic reliability, and this is for US cars, not japanese cars made in the usa:

a quote from an article reporting on the results of a 675,000 car survey

"
Of course, Detroit’s average of 18 problems per 100 vehicles still is worse than the industry average of 17 and substantially worse than the 12 ranking accorded the Asians. Yes, that’s progress for the Motor City, but it’s not worthy of popping a single champagne cork."

18 problems per 100 vehicles vs 12 problems per 100 vehicles:

a small % difference.

big deal.

I would sooner worry about other issues than reliability.

it's called RACISM
its called statistics, not racism


I'm sure you would never say that unless you had some statisitics proving that U.S. made Camry's and Accords are less reliable than ones made in Japan though, right?
:P

So we're ready for those any time you'd care to post them...

I'm not saying there is no difference ever, I'm saying it's ignorant to assume that there is ALWAYS a difference or that a car of equal quality can't be built in another place just because of the race of the factory workers, that's all.

I think the differences, where they exist, have to do with parts suppliers in the different countries and how they run their shops. One of the reasons the Japanese have such consistent high quality is because they've always had a strong relationship with parts suppliers. i.e. Toyota will use the same company to make seat fabric for 20 years, they will visit the factory. The seat fabric guy at Toyota's kids will play baseball with the seat fabric factory owners kids and so on...

In the U.S. and in other countries the parts work is often passed off to the lowest bidder. That means they might have the best factory workers in the world, but if GM or whoever is more interested in cutting corners than developing a good relationship and open communication with parts suppliers then quality inevitably suffers. That's a big part of it.

It also explains how Mitsubishi somehow manages to build crap, even in Japan. It's a management problem, not because people from other countries have no work ethic and aren't as smart as the Japanese. :roll:

Honda manages to build Civic Type R's in England good enough to ship back to Japan. How do you think they do it? Import Japanese workers to work there? No, sorry.

I'm sure you would never say that unless you had some statisitics proving that U.S. made Camry's and Accords are less reliable than ones made in Japan though, right?
:P

"We have some concerns about sustaining high quality," allows Atsushi "Art" Niimi, CEO of Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America, in large measure because North American parts suppliers average 500 defects per million parts vs. 15 per million in Japan. But if it works, and Lexuses made here are equivalent to those from Japan, Toyota will have exported a major upgrade of its already respected production system.
If that difference isn't significant enough, I dont know what is :roll:
...Dont know why I bother wasting my time :roll:

Parts can come from anywhere regardless of where the car is assembled.


I'm sure you would never say that unless you had some statisitics proving that U.S. made Camry's and Accords are less reliable than ones made in Japan though, right?
:P

"We have some concerns about sustaining high quality," allows Atsushi "Art" Niimi, CEO of Toyota Motor Manufacturing North America, in large measure because North American parts suppliers average 500 defects per million parts vs. 15 per million in Japan. But if it works, and Lexuses made here are equivalent to those from Japan, Toyota will have exported a major upgrade of its already respected production system.
If that difference isn't significant enough, I dont know what is :roll:
...Dont know why I bother wasting my time :roll:

Ditto! Consumer Reports April 2004....
"...675,000 privately owned or leased cars, trucks, minivans, and sport-utility vehicles."
Anyone with any confusion about reliability needs to read this issue. The "domestics" got burned. The lines do get blurred but I think they are refferring to whichever country the parent company is registered in. There are a few domestic vehicles which fare better than others, but if we are going to make a blanket statement based on stats, i.e. Consumer Reports, J.D Power etc, then domestics suck! Thats the facts, not RACE. Many of the "asians" are built here in the U.S.A. and are included under the "asian" category.
Build philosphy has a lot to do with why the product scores well. I can't speak for other companies, but Toyota although not perfect, has all but 1 plant as non-union, waiting list for employment out for 3 years on average at their plants, and constantly trying to improve the enviroment and community through recycling wasted materials and donations. Given this is there any doubt to why TOYOTA is WORLDS SECOND LARGEST automaker (Forbes 11-17-03). Write back if I am incorrect thanks.

that artical states

18 problems per 100 cars for domestics
12 problems per 100 cars for domestics

thats not "Burning" anyone.
its hardly different at all.


Ditto! Consumer Reports April 2004....
"...675,000 privately owned or leased cars, trucks, minivans, and sport-utility vehicles."
Anyone with any confusion about reliability needs to read this issue. The "domestics" got burned. The lines do get blurred but I think they are refferring to whichever country the parent company is registered in. There are a few domestic vehicles which fare better than others, but if we are going to make a blanket statement based on stats, i.e. Consumer Reports, J.D Power etc, then domestics suck! Thats the facts, not RACE. Many of the "asians" are built here in the U.S.A. and are included under the "asian" category.
Build philosphy has a lot to do with why the product scores well. I can't speak for other companies, but Toyota although not perfect, has all but 1 plant as non-union, waiting list for employment out for 3 years on average at their plants, and constantly trying to improve the enviroment and community through recycling wasted materials and donations. Given this is there any doubt to why TOYOTA is WORLDS SECOND LARGEST automaker (Forbes 11-17-03). Write back if I am incorrect thanks.

I wonder why they jock american cars in Japan. Could it be because they suck and breakdown. Could it be that the grass is greener on the other side?



they DONT jock american cars in japan.

they LOVE them.

drive around in a z06 around tokyo sometime


Well, you're right to an extent. People *anywhere* are impressed by a z06. Drive a z06 in Turin, Italy and it will get some respect even there.

American cars do NOT sell well in Japan. But it is because of perceived bad quality?
Maybe, in part, but A LOT of it has to do with stupid marketing strategy. For YEARS American companies tried to sell the same product overseas that they sell here. Did you know that it's only been recently that US car companies even bothered to make right-hand drive cars for Japan? I mean...HELLO? At least start by putting the steering wheel on the correct side of the car. Is that so hard? WTF?

The other thing is they didn't develop products for that market. People in Japan don't want left hand drive Chrysler minivans with thirsty V6s, fake wood panelling down the side and column shifters. Shocking, I know...

The U.S. just didn't care enough, or was too stupid to even make a decent effort to compete in Japan. They did the same thing in Europe for years. It's only now that companies like Ford are having successes there because they began building products designed for THAT market.

You don't try to sell a Crown Vic in Germany, just like you wouldn't try to sell a tiny Focus-based minivan with a turbodiesel here in the U.S. It's called marketing.

The Japanese have succeeded here in no small part because they are masters of this. The average family in Japan would not even consider a gigantic barge like the Sienna with a 240 hp V6 that costs more than their months rent to fill with gas each week. Just like Tahoe driving soccer moms in Ohio wouldn't know what the hell to make of this:

http://nenpi.sky-server.com/mobilio/picture/117-1742_IMG.jpg

and just try telling some Texas ____kicker in a 20 gallon hat that you're going to replace is F-450 fullsize 94 liter V-12 pick up with this....

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACTY/truck/image/top/topimage.jpg

Maybe if you throw in a free panda decal for the side, he'll go for it.

Probably an issue of incentive.

Is it worth it to build a new car for the small japanese market?

clearly it is worth it for japan to build a car for the huge american market.

also I believe Japanese tarriffs make exporting goods to japan pretty hard.


I wonder why they jock american cars in Japan. Could it be because they suck and breakdown. Could it be that the grass is greener on the other side?



they DONT jock american cars in japan.

they LOVE them.

drive around in a z06 around tokyo sometime


Well, you're right to an extent. People *anywhere* are impressed by a z06. Drive a z06 in Turin, Italy and it will get some respect even there.

American cars do NOT sell well in Japan. But it is because of perceived bad quality?
Maybe, in part, but A LOT of it has to do with stupid marketing strategy. For YEARS American companies tried to sell the same product overseas that they sell here. Did you know that it's only been recently that US car companies even bothered to make right-hand drive cars for Japan? I mean...HELLO? At least start by putting the steering wheel on the correct side of the car. Is that so hard? WTF?

The other thing is they didn't develop products for that market. People in Japan don't want left hand drive Chrysler minivans with thirsty V6s, fake wood panelling down the side and column shifters. Shocking, I know...

The U.S. just didn't care enough, or was too stupid to even make a decent effort to compete in Japan. They did the same thing in Europe for years. It's only now that companies like Ford are having successes there because they began building products designed for THAT market.

You don't try to sell a Crown Vic in Germany, just like you wouldn't try to sell a tiny Focus-based minivan with a turbodiesel here in the U.S. It's called marketing.

The Japanese have succeeded here in no small part because they are masters of this. The average family in Japan would not even consider a gigantic barge like the Sienna with a 240 hp V6 that costs more than their months rent to fill with gas each week. Just like Tahoe driving soccer moms in Ohio wouldn't know what the hell to make of this:

http://nenpi.sky-server.com/mobilio/picture/117-1742_IMG.jpg

and just try telling some Texas ____kicker in a 20 gallon hat that you're going to replace is F-450 fullsize 94 liter V-12 pick up with this....

http://www.honda.co.jp/ACTY/truck/image/top/topimage.jpg

Maybe if you throw in a free panda decal for the side, he'll go for it.

Parts can come from anywhere regardless of where the car is assembled.
If you read the article, why is Toyota skeptical of producing any producing any cars of their Lexus line in the US?