Was wondering if anyone has tried one of the 5.00 to 49.00 mufflers off ebay. Are they real or a coke can that was painted? Is it worth it for just looks or is there a performance gain.

a lot of people will say "Crap, theyre all crap dont get them"
those are the same people that im guessing have never owned one

i do. i got the RS-type muffler and i absolutely LOVE it! :love:
i got a custom exhaust made, with muffler, for under a hundred bucks. i dont think many people can say that. the smartest person to talk to on this one is darren (hotbox05) thats who i got all my info from because hes owned a lot of them. hes a really smart fellow who knows what the hell hes talking about. listen to him

RS-type is what i got off ebay for right at 35 shipped i believe. its awesome!

scott

How do you like your RS type? is it low tone and not LOUD LOUD....can you describe the sound? any feelable gains? Thanks.

-Skizzle-

according to the butt dyno, it has improved (i doubt if it has but im not sure). its definetly not LOUD LOUD. it has a quiet rumble and does not drone (i have silencer in now). without silencer, if you got on it hard, there was a little drone. but silencer in, it sounds soooooo sweet. i love it. i think it was one of the best things i got for my car

love your first reply dont know till you try good rule of thumb

I have an eBay muffler and it rocks out loud! It was like 30 bucks shipped and I had the custom 2.5inch piping done at a local shop for like 60bucks and it turned out amazing. Low rumble and roar and sounds like a crotch rocket at 5000rpm+. Excellent for the money and good performance and sound.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/GenChi00/Muffler.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/GenChi00/mufflerbody.jpg
P.S. Mine also has a silencer which helps with the highway driving noise.

moved to PH

How about the under $100 coilovers.

I would love know what a Flowmaster would sound like on a Scion :P I had one on my 4 banger truck, and it sounded tough.

i've had multiple ebay mufflers on multiple cars only one has gone bad. worth the money

how does the sound compare to the trd exhaust? is it much louder? i was planning on shelling out some major bucks on one but this looks to be like a great way to save some dough.

hey guys am new here and was lookin for a new mufler for my 05 xB.....do u guys have any suggetions wat kinda shud i get or like were from i get... heres the thing i dont want it like nasty loud... u no wat i mean rit.. not that loud as some cars that jus annoys u :no: :no: ..can anybody help me out with that? :nails: :nails: :pray: :pray:

Darren can back me up on this.

The RS-Type muffler off ebay is good! Its like $30 shipped or so. I got it and had custom piping all done for $60 from just after the cat, back. I love it.

its not nasty loud. it sounds really good IMO. and if it is too loud for ya, just put the silencer that comes with it in.

its a good buy.

scott

if you retain stock resonator it cannot get very loud or LOUD LOUD as you guys refer to it. loudness can change depending upon sooo many factors . header , piping size , resonator or lack thereof. silencer or open.

again, how do they compare to the trd exhaust? i love the look and sound of the trd and the fact that i won't kill the warranty.

you wont kill warranty with any exhaust . it will be a bit louder than trd and the good thing is u can get any tip design/length/diameter you'd like

awesome. i think i'm ordering one right now.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/397000-397999/397043_19_full.jpg
I got this SS one off of RSversion.com like 2 years ago for $79...haven't had anything to install it to yet but am planning to get either a White or Silver 2006 Xb 5spd before the end of this year.

The question is: Is this exhaust toooo big? the inlet is 2.5" and the tip is about 4.5" and it does have a "tuneable scilencer" Will this be ok?
(I'm 6" tall btw).

it'll be fine. a large tip but it will work no problem.

went ahead and ordered my muffler today. i got a 3 1/2 tip though. i don't like that big coffee can look. now to find a muffler shop to weld it on for me.

i'm sure i'll need some new piping made, but does the length of the muffler make a difference? the one i bought is 16 1/2 inches long and most of the others i saw were 19 or 20.

that shorter muffler will be a bit louder. but... that may just be the muffler body length while the others are measuring overall length. a muffler shop shouldnt charge too much .. i have a 3.5 tip on mine too. i dislike most large diameter round tips.

Pretty good info here! I am glad to see that this person didn't get flamed like most always do.

I too, have an eBay muffler. I actually bought two identical ones a year ago to put duals on my XRS, but never got to it. I had a shop bend the new pipe and install it for $50.00. I am so happy with it! I do agree that some things on eBay are junk, but how hard is it to mess up a muffler? LOL. The craftmanship is pretty good, nice clean welds, mirror finish, removable silencer. I just wish I had bought the carbon fiber one!

Mine is 16.5" body, 4" tip and 2.5" inlet, 20" overall. It has a nice rumble to it and not near as noisy as I thought it would be.

Oh, and when they say "titanium muffler", it is usually stainless steel with a "colored" (bluish) tip. A true titanium one would cost a small fortune! Just so you know.

And once again, to all that posted...thanks for not flaming and thanks for the positive responses! That's what we need around here!

as i put on my flame suit i will show you all my next muffler. just bought it.

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/ab/51/96_1_b.JPG

will post pics of it installed in a week or two.

Pretty good info here! I am glad to see that this person didn't get flamed like most always do.

I too, have an eBay muffler. I actually bought two identical ones a year ago to put duals on my XRS, but never got to it. I had a shop bend the new pipe and install it for $50.00. I am so happy with it! I do agree that some things on eBay are junk, but how hard is it to mess up a muffler? LOL. The craftmanship is pretty good, nice clean welds, mirror finish, removable silencer. I just wish I had bought the carbon fiber one!

Mine is 16.5" body, 4" tip and 2.5" inlet, 20" overall. It has a nice rumble to it and not near as noisy as I thought it would be.

Oh, and when they say "titanium muffler", it is usually stainless steel with a "colored" (bluish) tip. A true titanium one would cost a small fortune! Just so you know.

And once again, to all that posted...thanks for not flaming and thanks for the positive responses! That's what we need around here!

unfortunately the outside finish and welds are always good it's the inner core of a muffler which will deteriorate. which is why i will only buy and use rs-type . i buy and sell all brands though.

i used to run a-spec till the one on my xb crapped out. i've had a tsudo muff crap out , and an arospeed crap out. otto are an ok brand . obx pretty much look bad but last ok.

that's definately different. i can't say i like it but to each his own. i hope it turns out great. :)

it will be center exit. with a very stock looking cutout. the lips will be joined as one , the stock will be filled , and the new opening will curve under and have a lip like the oem. then repainted. the muffler will be tucked up quite well. only the lowest portion of the cans will be seen from under the lips. the muffler looks alot bigger in the pic. in reality the tips are only like .75 inch apart. and only 3.5 inch in diameter each. i have the exact same style muffler by the same brand on my supra.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/645000-645999/645784_60_full.jpg

will be similar to this. a bit hard to see but yeah. it should look quite good imo.

that pic looks pretty good. i was thinking you were just going to slap it on on the factory location and call it a day. that seems like it would look pretty hot on an xb. post up pics when it's done. good luck.

i buy mostly everything for my car on ebay. It works very well for me because i live in Puerto Rico and shipping is horrible. I bought my invidia exhaust for just $135.00 and its AWSOME!! I had a civic once with an HKS cat back exhaust and its just as nice. Excellent welds, very quite, but slight noticeable power. Everything on ebay in very cheap and very sturdy. I trust ebay i just dont trust the people on it. You have to be very careful when you buy...

Wow, Hotbox05, thats exactly what I wanted to do to my XRS...but I bought two individual mufflers and was going to weld them together. I was trying to figure out how to make it a benter outlet with the ground effects that come stock on the XRS. I see you altered yoursquite a bit. Oh well, we trading it in on the xB so now I have a spare muffler.

I bought one of the "n1" mufflers off of ebay. I wanted the whole filled up pretty good, so I got the 4.5" outlet. It is awesome. It has an awesome tone and the visual aspect of it is great. I have had people ask me if I got it from Japan because all of the axle backs are a little bit angled, or the tips are different. I would definitely say it was worth the money. I loved it when I started mine up, because i was told if you just redline the gas when you first start it up after you take the silencer out, you will see some sweet ____.

Sure enough, I slammed the gas and this big ___ cloud of sound damper material came out, all the loose stuff ya know.

When it cleared out, it made this BOOM, and then came the awesomeness.

good words, guys. the most expensive isnt always the best. read the specs and go with what you know or think you know and all else be damned. i found this muffler on ebay for 35 bucks total(shipping and all) its dual tip


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TWIN-HKS-STYLE-MUFFLER-EXHAUST-SUPRA-CAMRY-SCION-XA-XB_W0QQitemZ7999173695QQcategoryZ33636QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

overall, i think theres alot of good stuff, even if its not name brand or the most expensive. it also has a 2&3/8 tip which is good since im going to go 2.25 from the cat back with a double muffled glasspack.

too bad with the 2.25 you are losing torque.

i have an almost identcial muffler in my garage. lol. i buy like 5 or 10 of these mufflers at a time in hopes of selling them quickly. needless to say they sit around but i always sell em. lol.

so in order to keep the car torquey, what size piping should be used?

2.0 is best without super or turbo. by running 2.25 you aren't losing much torque but it is a noticeable loss over stock

jeez louise, as if the torque we dont have is bad enough, you mean ill lose more if i go 2.25 instead of 2.0? i was told the reverse at one time, but okay. well then, how to gain torque? im going to go headers and exhaust, possibly lightened pulley and flywheel? i really need more torque and hp.(but then dont we all, short of turbo or sc- im too broke for either.)

Cadaver...everything you said you want to do will kill torque. A heavier flywheel will increase or at least not let you lose torque, but lightening it will kill it. So will the free flowing exhaust. On the up side, you will be able to rev quicker with the lighter flywheel and higher RPM with it and the exhaust. I have been learning over the last couple years that you have to settle for one or the other...(torque vs. HP). Of course, as you build HP, you also build torque, but it is less usable being that the peak power RPM will be higher, so will the torque "band".

slipknot, based on waht youre telling me, i should possibly focus on more hp just not lightening the flywheel load? or if i do all these things that eventually ill have to change gear ratios to get more torque? it would seem on one hand if i put exhaust and headers and lighten the pulley but NOT the flywheel, ill possibly be able to offset the torque robber or am i still missing the point? is it possible that by increasing my hp that ill get the OOMPH im after? because what id like is the low end grunt my neon used to have(132 hp vs 108). im feeling that the answer may lie in the gearing, but ive been known to be wrong. any clear response to ALL these questions would be appreciated. ( think i lightened myself into a confused stupor)

LOL, well, you are asking some good questions. Most of my knowledge comes from early model v-8s so the import motors are new to me as well. By lightening the flywheel, you will gain HP. What different gearing will do is help with the fact that you are going to be taking away torque. You won't gain torque by changing gear ratios, just make the car easier to move with the lower torque that you will have. By making more HP, you will not lose torque, you will actually gain torque. But, it will not be as usable.
Now I'm getting confused...LOL.

drrrrr, i like ponies in my engine cus they make my car go faster sooner. niw i know how to be fast for simple. :crazy:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! my plan is working! by confusing you into confusing me into confusing you i have confused you (or is it me?) i want low end torque!!! and i want it now! i read somewhere perhaps new GRRRIPPY clutch might help? or perhaps less retrictive cat that leads into restrictive resonator into restrictive exhaust? you freer headers to freer cat to not so free other stuff to open air? like a funnel?(its a thought, might not be right but its a thought.) just not lightweight flywheel. isuppose there could be a compromise perhaps that rather than making freer breathing exhaust build up engine to produce hp then harnes it somewhat with slightly restrictive exhaust.

if you rectify the phetus capacitor by the contrapaloose, you'll get 400 wheel torque power. you have to get the jdm kit though or else the o2 sensor will backfire and ignite the transmission.

Ummm....uhhhhh....Hmmmm. I'm lost now. LOL

carbonated water in the radiator makes torque.

Changing the muffler bearings to ceramic frees up HP without the loss of torque, too

what about the discombobulator or the magnesium frank uranus in the jimdandy?

To get back on topic....My experience with ebay mufflers is good. No problems yet. And the 2.25" won't change the torque enough to really matter as compared to the 2.0". The HP gain, although small, very small, will make up for the loss of torque IMO.

yea no more stupid posts guys. stay on topic or theyll be deleted.

just my little heads up for ya

sorry. :P

Yes Sir.

quick question. if the inlet on my exhaust is 2..5 inches, doesn't all my piping have to be the same diameter? i want to make as much low end torque as possible since that seems to be where it needs it most, so i know smaller piping will do that, but i wonder what kind of difference 1/2 an inch will make really. will it be noticable or mostly a mental thing?

dont really know. i would think as long as it only expands the 1/2 inch at the exhaust instead of all the way down, you should do okay, but there again im the one who asked the question to begin with(so, you might not want to take my advice)

random super. no you can normally bump up about half an inch.what the do is put the end of the exhaust pipe in a machine that stretches it out a bit. making the difference in size closer to 1/4 or 1/8th.

as i put on my flame suit i will show you all my next muffler. just bought it.

http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/04/ab/51/96_1_b.JPG

will post pics of it installed in a week or two.


Darren, as per usual you have really good info! Thanks for guiding along this thread

I like this look you have in picture above. But for a different reason here: I will want to ditch my round DC muffler (std on RS2) if I lower my car much from what it is now.
the DC Sports muffler is my rear-end lowering limiter. It will scrape if I go too much lower in the rear.

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I'd need a flat muffler, pref. stainless, pref. all-welded (for gas tightness) and since I don't really like rumble, would love to have a super quiet muffler but have a decently fat tip like 2.5" to 3". I don't need the BIG old DC sized tip. Do you have any suggestions for this? OR is is cheapest/easiest to just go with a stock muffler (but I want maximum silence if I go oval/flat.

OH-- how are you gonna clear the rear bumper opening for the tips? Just make a cut in the plastic? That'd work, right?

That dual muffler will deffinitely be louder that a "single" type. so if you are after "quiet", that is not the right muffler for you.

actually dual mufflers are quieter. or at leadt it was quieter on my supra. it ws over 110db with a single can and it was at 98 db with the dual can...... so i'll take my experience as proof.

and as far as the rear lip goes reid it will be custom center exhaust. the two lips will be joined together , a new oem style center exhaust cutout will be made. the oem opening will be filled in.


reid try a turbo muffler. and no not a 3.0 inch inlet turbo application import muffler but an older style "turbo style" or also referred to as "super turbo" they sound awesome bring up tq over a straight can , but still flow better than stock.

for all you with exhausts, wat size tip would yo recomend to fill the gap, allow me to do a slight JDM slant lol and not look too big? and what diameter inlet? my b-day is comming up soon and felt like doing a cheap mod.

thanks

Hmmm...good to know. I'm sure if I took a single type and put it on, then put another one identical to it on to make a dual type, it would be louder with the two compared to the single. Comprende? A lot depends on the muffler too. Maybe that dual style has more packing in it? I don't know. I'm not saying your wrong by any means, I just figured that twice the opening would make it louder.

i also forgot, does anyone have pictures of any slanted exhausts on some xb's? or know where i con get some?

thanks

strup is slanted. and lots of pics of it are on here. and you'd probably want a 3.0 for extreme slant and 4.0 for slight slant.


yeah but the exhaust gets muffled twice. it does depend upon the mufflers. besides i love the look.

It wouldn't get muffled twice unless you reroute one into the other. I guess I am not getting what you said about it getting "muffled twice"? Some air is going through one and some air is going through another

yeah so the exhaust is getting muffled twice. half is getting muffled in one half in the other. it doesnt make it quieter on a small output motor like ours except at high rpms. with my old 3.0 it helped.

I got one of the ones off of eBay as well, and I am completely satisifed with it. I paid something like $35 including shipping, but this was about 1.5 yrs ago so I think they may have gone up since then. I would definately recommend it cause it does the same thing, but just for cheaper.

Hey Eski628...how is it after 1 1/2 years? Any louder over time? I was worried about this.

all exhausts get louder over time.

all exhausts get louder over time.
not neccessarily. if you run a super clean burning car and a well packed muffler the sound change isnt very much. but yes they all get louder little or a lot.

Hey Eski628...how is it after 1 1/2 years? Any louder over time? I was worried about this.
between the 4 or so mufflers on previous cars of mine. the longest i had any muffler on a car was 2 years. and it was still in perfect shape. i either stopped driving the car then tore it apart , crashed it off a highway , or sold it. so the mufflers lasted longer than the cars. lol.

how much would you guestimate that it would cost to get the muffler welded on? im lookin for an average price range. i just ordred one of ebay and i wanna get it on asap.

thanks

if all ya want is the cheapest way.. they can cut your stock muffler off then weld the new one on. most shops would charge 20-40 for that.

if you wanted a resonator back it'd be about 75-125

if you wanted a cat back without resonator about 80-130

cat back with high flow resonator about 100-200

this would all be with 2.0 piping and crush bent tubing. mandrel isnt worth teh time , money or hassle.

2.25 on a bolt-on equipped car or stock car will lose mad torque and be even louder.

so what ur saying is that if i weld on the mufler i bought to the stock piping i would lose alot of torque? im confused. i dont really know much about this

if you just did a cut and reweld it wouldnt be that loud, or lose torque or gain much hp. it's a cheap easy non loss of a compromise.

does any one have pics or vid w sound of an ebay exhaust installed?

I am thinking of getting one of these or having the local exhaust shop put on a glass pack. Have not heard of any one doing one of these?

I just want a little nicer sound but not loud at highway speeds. Also want a nicer look with a bigger tip.

Any thoughts?

the sound is objective. any exhaust can sound bad any can sound awesome. as long as the inner core doesnt get smaller like some magnaflow units

if you just did a cut and reweld it wouldnt be that loud, or lose torque or gain much hp. it's a cheap easy non loss of a compromise.

Stupid question: If you cut and re-weld it, can the stock muffler be put back on again if you didnt like it?

Thanks

yes

The stock muffler has an inlet pipe with a flange on it, this flange bolts to another flange that connects the rest of exhaust up to the factory exhaust manifold. If you cut and weld the new muffler, all they will have to do to put it back to stock is cut and weld the old muffler back on. Some shops might not be able to weld an aftermarket muffler to the original pipe because of the size difference. They might have to cut and weld at the factory resonator. I had them do it to mine because right at the resonator, the size is considerably larger. They could always just add a tapered pipe to change diamater size if you really wanted it. Just take the muffler to a shop that you want it done at and tell them what you want done and they will do the rest.

my exhaust came out to 100 bucks because I had them cut it at the resonator, add a small small taper and run 2 1/4" to the muffler. They also put a nice bend in it to go up over the torsion beam in the rear to make sure I had clearance for my drop. Everything came out real nice. I'll take a few pics and try to post em later tonight. Hope this helps.

my exhaust came out to 100 bucks because I had them cut it at the resonator, add a small small taper and run 2 1/4" to the muffler. They also put a nice bend in it to go up over the torsion beam in the rear to make sure I had clearance for my drop. Everything came out real nice. I'll take a few pics and try to post em later tonight. Hope this helps.

Do you have pics or a video of your system. I assume that you have one of the ebay mufflers?

So we are talking about $130 for the whole system?

Thx

yes

The stock muffler has an inlet pipe with a flange on it, this flange bolts to another flange that connects the rest of exhaust up to the factory exhaust manifold. If you cut and weld the new muffler, all they will have to do to put it back to stock is cut and weld the old muffler back on. Some shops might not be able to weld an aftermarket muffler to the original pipe because of the size difference. They might have to cut and weld at the factory resonator. I had them do it to mine because right at the resonator, the size is considerably larger. They could always just add a tapered pipe to change diamater size if you really wanted it. Just take the muffler to a shop that you want it done at and tell them what you want done and they will do the rest.

my exhaust came out to 100 bucks because I had them cut it at the resonator, add a small small taper and run 2 1/4" to the muffler. They also put a nice bend in it to go up over the torsion beam in the rear to make sure I had clearance for my drop. Everything came out real nice. I'll take a few pics and try to post em later tonight. Hope this helps.

every shop i've sent scion buddies too can and have done it. it'll be a pain but they'll do it.

Cool! thanks for the info...I got a good deal on a strup universal muffler and I'll see how it turns out

So I wonder how much different this Strup universal muffler is from the one made to bolt onto the xB?

I think the universal muffler is a little larger dia?

It says the universal muffler has a 4" Tip, 2 1/2" intake, and 19" long.
The xB axle-back is 13" long and 4" tip.

So it will prolly sound different...from what I've heard, generally the longer the muffler the quieter it is

Also, the universal muffler has a slant-cut tip, and the axle-back doesnt.

Good point on the length and sound. Maybe it would be too quiet w the rest of the system being stock.

Thx

it'll still be a quite noticeable sound difference over stock
another important factor is can diameter.... and inner core size.

well i finnaly got my muffler installed this morning. it sounds pretty loud even with the silencer but im guessing it might tone down a little bit or im just used to the stock exhaust on the xb. i did a slant to the side and up. looks sick. ill post pics soon.

Cool, did you get a resonator-back or just cut the stock muffler?

cut the stock muffler. i only had enough money for that so thats wat i did. and im not regreting it.

here are some pics

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/jdmbb/muffler1.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a197/jdmbb/muffler2.jpg

Looks good, I'll post picks of mine if I ever get time to go get it installed :tap: :clap:

Looks good.

Which muffler did you buy?

How much ground clearance do you have?

Looks good.

Which muffler did you buy?

How much ground clearance do you have?

i bought a burnt titanium tip muffler from 4caroption. its 19" long with a 4" by 4" tip.

ground clearance doesnt seem to be a problem even though im dropped 2 inches. id say its about close to stock, maybe 1" less give or take.

and the sound is really nice. its a nice deep tone. since our cars have twin cams, it sounds so much better than that rice rattle noise comming out of those single cam civics.

Hey Eski628...how is it after 1 1/2 years? Any louder over time? I was worried about this.

No not really, I haven't had any problems with my muffler. Most ppl say it gets louder, or it gets a hole in it, but I haven't had any problems nor worries with it.

looks good

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finally.

my custom filled and professionally done rear lip isnt out of the shop yet but heres my exhaust

SAAAAAWEEEET!!!!!