My 1.0 just came in and it is an Auto.... i wanted 5 speed. go with a different color or just take the Auto????

let me know what you think.

Man, it's up to you. What are your priorities?

I couldn't live with an automatic, but I could live with another color. Just my dos pesos.

my thoughts exactly... i could live with an auto if it had more hp.... this sucks

That does suck. Did you place a formal order with the dealer? If so, I'd raise some hell. I'd make them get the one you wanted. I don't care if they have to buy one from another dealer. You ordered a five-speed, and you should get one. Did you already put some money down on the car?

yeah, I put $500 down on preferencing the car... they told me that in the GMT states only 8 5 speeds were allocated.... said auto was the option i had. I am leaning towards the thundercloud..... I just have waited for a long time. sucks

Personally, I would just take the Hot Lava w/ the Auto, but my Hot Lava is going to be an automatic. Granted, I really don't see the major desire for the 5 speed (other than rarity). The car isn't going to be much faster with the manual.

Just my thoughts. Hot Lavas Awesome :) :)

Eric.

Personally, I would just take the Hot Lava w/ the Auto, but my Hot Lava is going to be an automatic. Granted, I really don't see the major desire for the 5 speed (other than rarity). The car isn't going to be much faster with the manual.

Just my thoughts. Hot Lavas Awesome :) :)

Eric.



Are you kidding?!?! I noticed a HUGE difference between the two. There's over a whle second advantage to getting the manual when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, which is pretty big. The auto is downright sluggish.

It's not just the speed. If all things were equal and both had exactly the same acceleration, it would come down to whether you prefer to shift or whether you hate to shift. So, which would you prefer, TCScion?

108 is 108 hp :wink:

I have never owned an automatic. Driven plenty and just feel like something is missing. I catch myself sometimes tapping the brake mistaking it for the clutch. It just feels like one less component is out of my control and I don't like that. I have the dealership looking for a Thunder cloud 5 speed right now. I just wouldn't have fun with the automatic.

Personally, I would just take the Hot Lava w/ the Auto, but my Hot Lava is going to be an automatic. Granted, I really don't see the major desire for the 5 speed (other than rarity). The car isn't going to be much faster with the manual.

Just my thoughts. Hot Lavas Awesome :) :)

Eric.



Are you kidding?!?! I noticed a HUGE difference between the two. There's over a whle second advantage to getting the manual when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, which is pretty big. The auto is downright sluggish.



Hmm, Guess I will drive one next time before I say they should be the same. My dealer told me that he saw no differance between them, so I didn't even consider drivint it. My Z3 right now is a stick and I love it, wouldn't have it any other way. However, shifting gets tiring when driving short distances in traffic.

Eric.

Personally, I would just take the Hot Lava w/ the Auto, but my Hot Lava is going to be an automatic. Granted, I really don't see the major desire for the 5 speed (other than rarity). The car isn't going to be much faster with the manual.

Just my thoughts. Hot Lavas Awesome :) :)

Eric.



Are you kidding?!?! I noticed a HUGE difference between the two. There's over a whle second advantage to getting the manual when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, which is pretty big. The auto is downright sluggish.



Hmm, Guess I will drive one next time before I say they should be the same. My dealer told me that he saw no differance between them, so I didn't even consider drivint it. My Z3 right now is a stick and I love it, wouldn't have it any other way. However, shifting gets tiring when driving short distances in traffic.

Eric.



That's the issue with manuals. If you're not going to be commuting it's probably not worth it. It gets REALLY old REALLY quick when you're driving around town hitting every other light red. I got rid of my manual for an auto xB and I don't regret it.

Personally, I would just take the Hot Lava w/ the Auto, but my Hot Lava is going to be an automatic. Granted, I really don't see the major desire for the 5 speed (other than rarity). The car isn't going to be much faster with the manual.

Just my thoughts. Hot Lavas Awesome :) :)

Eric.



Are you kidding?!?! I noticed a HUGE difference between the two. There's over a whle second advantage to getting the manual when it comes to 0-60 and quarter mile times, which is pretty big. The auto is downright sluggish.



Hmm, Guess I will drive one next time before I say they should be the same. My dealer told me that he saw no differance between them, so I didn't even consider drivint it. My Z3 right now is a stick and I love it, wouldn't have it any other way. However, shifting gets tiring when driving short distances in traffic.

Eric.



That's the issue with manuals. If you're not going to be commuting it's probably not worth it. It gets REALLY old REALLY quick when you're driving around town hitting every other light red. I got rid of my manual for an auto xB and I don't regret it.

But that's only a phase every manual driver first goes through. I've only driven manuals for my cars - you get to a point where the shifting is fluid, unnoticeable, and natural.

108hp = 108hp at the motor...
auto trannys most often suck up a few ponies more than a stnd

there are only a few cars where the auto is quicker than a stnd, this not being one of them.

the auto trany in these cars cant take the serious upgrading that i want to do.

$0.02 no receipt

automatic = torque converter and hydraulic pump = more power loss....not to mention the extra slip untill the torque converter locks up...and thats not till highway cruising speeds....i drove the stick and then the automatic before i got mine.....automatic felt like i put another 500lbs in the back when i took off.....but hey its all up to....i dont mind driving a stick....but when im 35+ im sure an automatic will be somethin i want....i know im gonna get lazy when i get older...
but hot lava....mmmm.....rock and a hard place....if i could wait for the stick i would wait for the sitck....if u cant wait and u wanted a hot lava xb then get it....not like these things will ever be fast anyway.....well...untill i get around to buying another block and building it up....hehe...bored to 1.6liter with 8.8:1 comp pistons at 12lbs of boost = rocket box

auto is wonderful for me. if you want a sporty car, your not getting the right one :p

108 is 108 hp :wink:

108 bhp is 108 bhp....108 bhp put through an automatic aint gonna feel as good as 108bhp through a manual gearbox, this is a fact. I personally would just raise hell if thats what you preferenced. I just hate going up a hill and the car decides it needs to downshift without asking me :lol: so I need a 5 spd.

Yeah thats a hard decsion to make. I mean you want a manual cause its fun and your style, but the Hot Lava is just so sweet! Well, you have nothing to lose, you might as well just ask you dealer straight if he could order a manual and if he cant etc etc. Good luck.

I agree on the stick..its all I have ever driven and its so natural that I really don't know Im really doing it anymore. Personally though if you could wait to get a Lava stick get it...if not get stick in another color. Without stick it just feels that your missing something and you are. But like my dad told me he wouldn't have anything else but an auto..so Im taking all my manual years while I can :lol:

Same happened here. I just ended up doing some quick searching in a 3 hour radius and found a 5 speed allocated and not taken yet. The 5 speeds are ultra rare right now and a pain to get. I'd say around 10% or less are manuals.

stockton toyota had 4 xb's in stick and rest were auto when i went.....but they had what i wanted on the floor....thundercloud with 5spd....*drool*

I could be wrong about this, but on another Scion website I heard that all off the Japanese bb were automatic. This leads me to believe that the superchargers and performance enhancements available over there are for automatics. Are their auto transmissions different from ours and will it be possible to add a supercharger to xB autos. I know that some SC's can be adapted to work for an auto, but not sure if this could work with auto xB. If so an auto could be the best of both worlds (but for some $ of coarse).

When they put the order in for my lava they put it in for the 5sp. I told them if they can't get a 5sp don't bother. And that's already owning a cherry 5sp.. and I don't particularly like the feel of the 5sp, but IMO 4cyl and auto's don't mix.

If you don't want it, I'll take it!!! :lol:

If you don't want it, I'll take it!!! :lol:

Thats what I am SCREAMIN!!!!
I'll take it!



Doc

you're better off getting stick...
It's a low HP car and with stick, you will have better control over the power and be able to toss it around...
But then again it all depends on what you're using it for...
I'm fron NYC
and this is my first stick car ever, and i'm enjoying it even with the bumper to bumper traffic :)

If you're just into driving the car, then just get auto..
i have an automatic on my other car, and i still enjoy it because it has sport shift..

Get STICK!!

automatic = torque converter and hydraulic pump = more power loss....not to mention the extra slip untill the torque converter locks up...and thats not till highway cruising speeds....i drove the stick and then the automatic before i got mine.....automatic felt like i put another 500lbs in the back when i took off.....but hey its all up to....i dont mind driving a stick...

EXACTLY

I'm glad someone here knows their sh*t. :)

108 hp is NOT 108 hp.

You aren't getting the same power to the ground, first of all. You've got that parasitic slippage most of the type instead of a direct, solid connection with the the engine torque. Adding insult to injury, you don't have control over which gear you are in or what RPM. 99% of the auto trannys out there typically try to get in top gear ASAP and chill there as much as possible to save fuel. That means you are doggin' it if you need power in a hurry.

I don't get it. If I wanted an auto trans for some bizarre reason, this is the LAST car I would buy. 1.5 liter + auto trans = retarded. This is a fun car to toss around on a windy road, not a boulevard cruiser. The type of driving that makes a car like this a pleasure instead of just another daily driver requires driving skill and demands a manual so you can downshift on hills and corners and upshift on straightaways and such.

If I was old and boring enough or young and clueless enough to want an automatic, I'd get it in a car with some surplus power to at least make up for all the drag.

Do people forget that you can downshift and upshift with an auto? :?

KiL

In Brooklyn, one out of a 10,000 people have a manual trany. WHY? Because shifting every 100 feet sucks, that's why. Stop signs or lights on every corner. Sure you'll fly into 3rd a lot faster with a stick but like it's been said 108hp is 108hp. ANyway, you guys in Cali can't be going that fast on your freeways (we call 'em expressways on the right coast). On the Garden State in Jersey the average speed is 80+ mph, and on the Brooklyn Queens Expressway it's about 70 (if you like living dangerously , which I do). Judging from news reports we get, the left coast is always sitting in traffic. How much of this is bull____ and how much fact?

:oops: I meant to say an AUTO TRANY, what a moron!!!!

Hay in traffic a stick is just not a much fun. Stop and go. Up Hill. On the bridge (we only have one here) ... no fun at all.

I drove a stick forever. And yah. If I didnt think I'd be cowmuting I'd have gotten the stick. Maybe when I pay this off I get an xa or tc stick for more fun. :lol:

I DO notice things with the auto in terms of HARD driving that just don't seem right. But the bull box is a cowmuter car the the mach five (gee I was I could get THAT car).

Anyway.

I think you should rase heck and get what you ordered!

108 is 108 hp :wink:

nope

108 is 93 with a manual
and probably 89 or so with an auto.

=)

not to mention a worse average HP under the horsepower curve since the auto has fewer gears.

Dude, it is a 1.0, take it anyway u an get it..

There should be NO debate a manuel tranny gives the driver more control of the vehicle and the powertrain....

Given that, IMO more control offers me more safety and more performance. Auto tannys may have came a long way but they are still machines trying to guess what the driver is wanting out the vehicle at a particular time.... IMO (again) why not elimnate the guesswork and confusion and get a stick.

Oh and the auto sticks I have played with tend to be laggy as well.

Auto aren't horrible but for performance and control they are lacking... for convience they excell... you just got to assess your priorities... and your pocketbook (extra cost for auto tranny and gas for auto tranny)!

just mt 2 cents

HA!
Does that mean people not getting what they ordered auto instead of manny will be getting the autoLava for less, since it obviously is not their fault THEY AREN'T GETTING WHAT THEY ORDERED???!?!?!?!!!!?

Just wondering... :wink:

i would personally choose a manual because 1) i feel weird driving an auto 2) i forget to put it in park when i park the car with an auto and i always pull up the e-brake for some odd reasons and 3) an auto is hard for me to drive.

Do people forget that you can downshift and upshift with an auto? :?

KiL

THANK YOU!!!
There may be a difference, but it's not night and day like people make it sound. I still haul ___ all over the place in my Auto. You're going to have more slowness issues with that a-hole in front of you driving that Saturn in the fast lane than not going fast enough cuz its an Auto. These arguments sound the same as the folks that have never driven a Scion but knock it cuz it only has 108 horses. Itt's only one part of the puzzle.

Push the overdrive button off and you can instantly feel things tighten up. You can grab second pretty nicely too. I have been hauling ___ since I got my springs put on Saturday, I still can't believe what a difference it made. I'm really glad I drove it for a while without them so I can feel the difference. Anyway, tonight my brain actually said "Grab 3rd" as I came thru a set of corners. When that T handle hit my hand it threw me for a second, then I stuffed it into 2nd... It's been like 3 cars ago since I've had a stick.

Another advantage to the Auto Tranny - I can add a remote start without a big hassle...