Hello All,

Just dropping in to update everyone. Our turbo kit is in testing now. We will inform this board on its release date. If anyone saw the xA in the Team Hybrid booth at HIN this weekend, that was it. The owner of the car is JDM Paul.

Do you have any pictures of it :?:

yeah any pics?!?! wheres mr scion when you need him? anyone else have that smiley that says "this thread is worthless without pics"

I heard that camoscion Rich will be the fastest xB out there.....

We will take some pics of the kit installed. Sorry that we havent done that yet. We have been trying so hard to get it completed that pics were the last thing on our minds. We will take them today. We will not have a break down pic yet because we would have to disassenble the car. There is a link on image station of the car. We will find it and link it.

We will take some pics of the kit installed. Sorry that we havent done that yet. We have been trying so hard to get it completed that pics were the last thing on our minds. We will take them today. We will not have a break down pic yet because we would have to disassenble the car. There is a link on image station of the car. We will find it and link it.
Cool me wanna see :D

I heard that camoscion Rich will be the fastest xB out there.....
dude thats just too damn funny

verone your little fat kid, is the funniest damn thing ive seen all week! :lol: :lol: :lol:

verone your little fat kid, is the funniest damn thing ive seen all week! :lol: :lol: :lol:

true...http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_101.gif

will this kit be able to be used on the U.S. echo as well?

Yes it will be available for the Echo.

Estimated whp gains? Estimated price range? Warrantee covered? Auto transmission compatible? What kind of fuel sysem and ecu upgrades/modifications involved? Is this kit labor instensive.....or geared more toward a "bolt on" assembly?

Sorry......just some questions I figured would come up eventually.......and I want to know the answers anyhow.

KiL

I have already posted something about this xA, by the admin took it off. That's cool, but I'll say it again. Hybrid xA is wack and it shouldn't have won at HIN L.A.. That car was boo boo (as in going #2). I think the white scion xB with the bigger front mount and dubz should have won. It had twice as much as HYBRID'z xA. Plus I never got to see under the hood. I'll see what happens at extreme autofest if the big winner shows his face!!! Also I've talked to a judge at HIN and he said that, he didn't even get to turn in his score cards. He said judges from higher up said that they already had winners friday night, what's up with that! That show was all set up! :x :evil: :x

P.s. Oh yeah if you didn't get it earlier BOO BOO :roll:

Ps.s. Don't remove this post, some people want to know whats up in the world!!!!

Yo Aggin!!!

I agree with whole car shows being rigged scenario but this is not the place to do it. Go make your own topic on the conspiracy theory. This is a product release topic and you're jackin it.

That's probably why the admin took your post off. Not because you've got a gripe with Vision and HIN.

Estimated whp gains? Goal is reliable 130 to the wheels, we will push the engine till it gives.
Estimated price range? Dont know , not done with testing yet. More parts may be needed to make the kit complete.
Auto transmission compatible? Yes, it will be. We will test auto next.
What kind of fuel sysem and ecu upgrades/modifications involved? Due to other manufactures veiwing this, we cannot say. Dont worry, it will come with goodies.
Warrantee covered?Due to the nature of the product, it will be hard to keep everyone from upping the boost, so no engine warrenty. Product warrenty, yes, 1 year on the turbo and workmanship. Dont worry, were not making a blow your motor kit. Extensive testing will be done before release. We have plenty of backup motors so if something goes wrong we can pop in a new one and inspect the failures on the bad one. We will be disassembling the motor from time to time to inspect for wear.
Is this kit labor instensive.....or geared more toward a "bolt on" assembly? Bolt on with minor labor.
Next question will be "how long till release?" Well, that depends on testing.

Hope this helps.

Estimated whp gains? Goal is reliable 130 to the wheels, we will push the engine till it gives.
Estimated price range? Dont know , not done with testing yet. More parts may be needed to make the kit complete.
Auto transmission compatible? Yes, it will be. We will test auto next.
What kind of fuel sysem and ecu upgrades/modifications involved? Due to other manufactures veiwing this, we cannot say. Dont worry, it will come with goodies.
Warrantee covered?Due to the nature of the product, it will be hard to keep everyone from upping the boost, so no engine warrenty. Product warrenty, yes, 1 year on the turbo and workmanship. Dont worry, were not making a blow your motor kit. Extensive testing will be done before release. We have plenty of backup motors so if something goes wrong we can pop in a new one and inspect the failures on the bad one. We will be disassembling the motor from time to time to inspect for wear.
Is this kit labor instensive.....or geared more toward a "bolt on" assembly? Bolt on with minor labor.
Next question will be "how long till release?" Well, that depends on testing.

Hope this helps.

do you have any plans to make any engine component upgrades with the turbo ex: camshafts, pistons rods, etc? if those are made, then boost can be turned up :) anyhow, I have a header from you guys in my echo and i just want to tell you thanks for making an excellent product.

will it have a intercooler?

There will be two versions. One with on with out. Basically the non i/c kit will fit xA, xB, Echo, Yaris, and Vitz. The intercooler set ups will be different on each model (piping wise)because of the different bumper types.

We already have rods and pistons available.
Block gaurds and sleeving too.
Cams are going into testing now.
Intake manifold w/larger throttle body will be ready in two weeks.

We have been making headers and intakes for the 1NZ since the Echo was released in the states.

Let us know if you need anything else.

ELP

Will it work with no problems on an automatic transmission? Will there be an upgraded ECU and fuel injectors? If on the final kit you get the Front Mounted Intercooler about how much whp will be achieved?

oh my god, all these new parts are making me drool :) when will you get your page fixed? cause i really wanna see all the new goodies :)

Hey ELP...need any willing testers??? :D

oh my god, all these new parts are making me drool :) when will you get your page fixed? cause i really wanna see all the new goodies :)

yeah when will it be up i wanna see too
as for the parts.. DAMN good job on the
upcoming and availible parts also what
compression(s) are the pistons

im glad someone is doing something with scion's and keeping their word.

good job EL.
have pricing been esimated or established?

The pistons at this time are made to order, so what ever comp. you want can be made accordingly. We are triing to come up with an off the shelf piston as soon as we find the right combo (i.e. 11.0:1 works good with stock computer an bolt ons, or 9.0:1 works well with the Blitz S/C and our turbo kit, stuff like that)

Pricing for the parts is pretty much established, only the turbo kit is pending.
We are triing to price the proper fuel management needed for the kit, no black boxes here.

I can tell you this, we have not dynoed yet because the kit has blown the clutch.
This should tell you the power levels we are starting to achive. Once the new clutch is in place, its off to the dyno with the new fuel management. We hope to keep the price competitive. Without management, these engines will go.

ELP

I can tell you this, we have not dynoed yet because the kit has blown the clutch.
This should tell you the power levels we are starting to achive. Once the new clutch is in place, its off to the dyno with the new fuel management. We hope to keep the price competitive. Without management, these engines will go.

ELP

So we should probably do an aftermarket clutch when we do this? :wink:

The pistons at this time are made to order, so what ever comp. you want can be made accordingly. We are triing to come up with an off the shelf piston as soon as we find the right combo (i.e. 11.0:1 works good with stock computer an bolt ons, or 9.0:1 works well with the Blitz S/C and our turbo kit, stuff like that)
ELP

i like the talk of pistons...hehehehehe...with turbo....hehehehe...cant wait...thanks EL....http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_17_11.gif

I can tell you this, we have not dynoed yet because the kit has blown the clutch.
This should tell you the power levels we are starting to achive. Once the new clutch is in place, its off to the dyno with the new fuel management. We hope to keep the price competitive. Without management, these engines will go.

ELP

So we should probably do an aftermarket clutch when we do this? :wink:

good question...EL?

Clutch would be a good idea regardless of whos forced induction kit you purchase. We are working on the options now and should have several routes for Scion owners real soon.

if anyone is looking to get this kit, you will not have to worry about quality as e.l. makes good stuff.

here is the pics of pauls turbo

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287458685

will there be different kits for a front mount intercooler and non-intercooled?

I have an automatic, is a turbo going to eat trans. Is it possible to get a upgrade for my automatic to make it stand up to the turbo. :?:

Hello,

There seems to be a lot of questions about the automatic. We have not tested it on the automatic yet. We will test once the manual is complete. If a problem arises with the automatic, we will find solutions to overcome the problem. We just have to go step by step. As far as fitment of the turbo system on an automatic, it will bolt up the same, only the compressor inlet tube will be different because of routing around the auto fill tube and kick down linkage. Hope this helps.]



ELP

With more power for sure better brakes are in order... going to make anything?

awesome, a turbo :twisted: i can't wait. i like this post you guys seem rather professional and somewhat intelligent ;) i'm stoked for a turbo, add me to whatever list of prospective customers you may have!

jon b.

wooot, thanks for making plans for the automatic ppl. and is this compaiblibe with Xa and Xb? Since , I'm sharing this car with another person in my family , I'm only allowed to get a auto. 130hp (whp?) sounds very good and what will be included in this kid , if its been gone through already, I'm very sorry for askin it again.

Thanks,

Any more news on this thing. I'm about to dump money on the Blitz supercharger kit but I want to see what's up with this thing first. I rather have a turbo because it's easier to extract more power from it :twisted:

hello,

Here is the scoop. We ordered several different clutches for the vehical to see the differences between manufactures. We will be picking one tonight and installing it. Some manufactures came through with product, some did not. Heck, we even got the reply " why would you need a clutch for that? It cant make that much power."
Anyway, we have to get this in so we can get to the dyno. Fuel management is being tested now but the clutch is getting worse. We can say dont put forced induction through the stock muffler. It was causing surge issues for us. We replaced the muffler with a 2 1/2 inch magnaflo axil back and that took care of the problem.

ELP

hello,

Here is the scoop. We ordered several different clutches for the vehical to see the differences between manufactures. We will be picking one tonight and installing it. Some manufactures came through with product, some did not. Heck, we even got the reply " why would you need a clutch for that? It cant make that much power."
Anyway, we have to get this in so we can get to the dyno. Fuel management is being tested now but the clutch is getting worse. We can say dont put forced induction through the stock muffler. It was causing surge issues for us. We replaced the muffler with a 2 1/2 inch magnaflo axil back and that took care of the problem.

ELP
My exhaust is done already. I have a Magnaflow cat-back on my car as of today. I want to make my purchase by the middle of next month. If your kit is finished and dynoed by then I think I'll go the turbo route. If it isn't I'll be getting the Blitz supercharger before my money burns a hole in my pockets :twisted: :twisted:

Hello All,

Just dropping a line on progress. We are still waiting to put the clutch in, we have been so busy at the shop that there has been no time. We are trying to schedule it in asap.
On the other hand, the management system is almost ready. So as soon as the clutch is done, its off to the dyno for completion.
Good news: we just got back some dyno results from on of our customers in Colorado. We installed the same turbo and management on his Tercel 4e-fte 1.3 liter that we are going to use in the 1nz kit.
This bottom end is stock and is as meak as 1nz bottom ends. Its copmression ratio is 8.2:1. Anyway, he put down 215hp and 197tq to the wheels with 1.3 bar of boost.
We will keep you updated.

ELP

what was the output of the tercel before the turbo was installed. how much psi is 1.3 bar?

We will take some pics of the kit installed. Sorry that we havent done that yet. We have been trying so hard to get it completed that pics were the last thing on our minds. We will take them today. We will not have a break down pic yet because we would have to disassenble the car. There is a link on image station of the car. We will find it and link it.

hope this "kit" doesn't go the way of all those corolla parts promised over the last 2 years that never "got out of production"

it's just over 18psi.

the 4efte can easily run 20psi on stock internals and it puts down 135-145hp

dude, you can't compare the two because which of us will be running 18psi to get 160hp. there is no way we could hold that with SO MANYmods in comparisson to the 1 or 2 mods the 4efte would need to hold that.

dyno the 1nzfe and then tell us what you get. don't give people high hopes with apples and oranges

OK......................

Lets start off with the Corolla question. Not quite sure which parts your refering to but lets give a reply.
Example:we have a few parts for corollas all years. We have headers for the 03 corolla.....everyone ask for them, we made them, we stock them, we have sold 3 of them since jan 03. headers for 92-97 corolla 1.6/1.8, sold 5 the whole time we have been in buisness. We have tested the waters on turbo kits but no takers. Corolla clubs have approched us with group buys and failed miserably buy ordering a large quantity of custom parts and not coming up with payment (everyone backs out last minute). The intakes are all anyone buys. At this time the corolla is not at the top of the list. Any further questions about this, pm us, lets not waist this boards time.

As far as the 4e is concerned, we were only showing the potential of the turbo and the engine management not the 4e. We know they are not the same engine nor did we imply it was. Just fyi; I, the owner, have been building 4e/5e combos since 1992, and the 2e/3e combos since 1987. I feel confident enough to say what I said about the bottom end strengths. I also own an EP82.

So now that this has been said, if you wish to pm us, great. As for what this thread was originally about, we will continue the updates. We will continue answering questions about the turbo kit and its posibilities. If the board does not want us to do this, pm us and we will just finish the kit and tell you its ready.

Thank You,
Eric Lapka
E.L. Prototypes

hope this "kit" doesn't go the way of all those corolla parts promised over the last 2 years that never "got out of production"

hey Eric, dont take this guys smart ___ remark as coming from all of us.. i for one really appreciate all the testing and updates you are doing for us, im sure you have spent a lot of time and money on this project and it is a lot more then anybody else has bothered to do for the us.
I have been watchin this thread since it started and have noticed how quick you are to respond with as many answers as you could to help us all out and keep us notified. Keep up the good work and keep us posted. I know you have some potential buyers, i hope you actually sell some kits if they do go into production.

good luck,

So far you have been a great guy in keeping everyone updated on your progress and I congradulate you on that. All I was saying was that if you put the same turbo and management on a celica for instance and put down 250hp, how are we suppose to compare that to our cars? The only way to compare the horsepower would be if you put it on an echo, not your friends fixed up tercel.

thanx for the info on the 4efte because I was thinkin on duin that swap into a paseo myself and i was only hoping for 180hp.

Hello again,

Well here are some specs if really want to compare.
the figures will be in millimeters. Bore X Stroke.

4e = 74 x 77.4 1331cc
5e = 74 x 87 1456cc
1nz = 75 x 84.7 1497cc

4e has high volumetrics due to high rev capabilities but needed a turbo version to get torque.
5e has lower volumetrics due to its stroke, but provides good torque.
1nz has the best of both, high volumetrics (VVT-i)and more displacement.
The stroke is in between the two keeping the best rod ratio for its narrow block and offset crankshaft.

These engines are close to the same displacement and volumetrics, the 1nz being the higher of the three.
FYI, We wouldnt use that turbo on a Celica, it would be too small.

ELP

Ya, I know it is crazy small, that's y I sed "for instance," as in comparing apples and oranges. I actually just ordered a used stock supra turbo for my 4efte project off the supra forums. i would like however to come by your shop and discuss some options. I live like 3 streets away.

come on by. Be happy to help.

I'd be happy to help update your site, I've been dying to see the full list of options... I don't want to go forced induction but your parts would be seriously interesting to me for reinforcing the engine. Give us updates when you can, they are much welcomed!

Any updates so far?

Hello Everyone,

The clutch is in. We were surprised that the stock clutch didnt look bad. It had spun because it had some hot spots. The clamping pressure was very weak and could not handle the torque. We were running 6psi before the clutch install. Now that we have the the new clutch in, we have 8psi :shock: . We will begin the dyno sesion this week to finalize the EFI. The car is off on a road trip to Santa Barabra for a car show so the clutch should be broke in by the time it gets back.


ELP

me likee turbo me likee turbo....woohoo

Hello Everyone,

The clutch is in. We were surprised that the stock clutch didnt look bad. It had spun because it had some hot spots. The clamping pressure was very weak and could not handle the torque. We were running 6psi before the clutch install. Now that we have the the new clutch in, we have 8psi :shock: . We will begin the dyno sesion this week to finalize the EFI. The car is off on a road trip to Santa Barabra for a car show so the clutch should be broke in by the time it gets back.


ELP
I can't wait to see the results. I need something cheaper than my Nitrous :D

wikked seems like we should be hearign dyno results soon. i appreciate all your time spent giving us info! :twisted:

Hello Everyone,

The clutch is in. We were surprised that the stock clutch didnt look bad. It had spun because it had some hot spots. The clamping pressure was very weak and could not handle the torque. We were running 6psi before the clutch install. Now that we have the the new clutch in, we have 8psi :shock: . We will begin the dyno sesion this week to finalize the EFI. The car is off on a road trip to Santa Barabra for a car show so the clutch should be broke in by the time it gets back.


ELP

hey E!!! I guess you have 2 1NZ-fe vehicles .... LOL, I want to turbo but I love my gas mileage... SO I guess I'm going to dump a couple grand on my suspension... I'll be stopping by Wednesday night to show you the Tein suspension drop... So Paulie can possibly get it.... But, when we gonna put the 2zz in ???LOL

I want to turbo but I love my gas mileage...

this is my dilema im not sure whether to go super or not
yes super cause i have an auto

I want to turbo but I love my gas mileage...

this is my dilema im not sure whether to go super or not
yes super cause i have an auto

LOL... dude, I'm getting 450 to 500 miles to a tank with my Echo... And with the Gas prices now, I'm really happy I have my echo...

I want to turbo but I love my gas mileage...

this is my dilema im not sure whether to go super or not
yes super cause i have an auto

LOL... dude, I'm getting 450 to 500 miles to a tank with my Echo... And with the Gas prices now, I'm really happy I have my echo...

mind doing to my xb what you did you your echo shyt if you do that then ill definitly rebuild the motor and go turbo in an auto

Hello,

EFI tuning is been done before were off to the dyno. If all goes well we will have numbers by the weekend.


ELP

Hello,

EFI tuning is been done before were off to the dyno. If all goes well we will have numbers by the weekend.


ELP
Sweet 8)

LOL... dude, I'm getting 450 to 500 miles to a tank with my Echo... And with the Gas prices now, I'm really happy I have my echo...

how the hell? i'm getting anywhere from 250-275 a tank in my xa... got a heavy foot. but 450-500? you get a bigger tank put in, lol. i thought that's what the hybrids got on gas milage.

LOL... dude, I'm getting 450 to 500 miles to a tank with my Echo... And with the Gas prices now, I'm really happy I have my echo...

how the hell? i'm getting anywhere from 250-275 a tank in my xa... got a heavy foot. but 450-500? you get a bigger tank put in, lol. i thought that's what the hybrids got on gas milage.

well, you can ask Eric ... He can attest to my obsesion to gas mileage.LOL

I have the s-afc and I'm running the engine -12% fuel from 2000rpm to 3000rpms then it goes to -11%fuel from 3500 to 4500rpm and then it ends in -10% fuel from 4500 to redline... I personnally dont care if I blow my motor... The Echo,Xb, Xa motors are sooo freaking cheap you can pick up low mileage unit with tranny for $700 bucks... Thats cheap...

Hello,

Well here it is. The first test. EFI not totally done yet, needs more tuning.
We dynoed on the same dyno the intake shootout was done. We used scionic's baseline to compare before and after.

Results: 144 WHP and 150 WTQ and were not done yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is the link

http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4287094563

Nice results. Love to see it when the tuning is finished. If the drivetrain loss is 15% than that would be 170hp the engine's putting out. More than the new Civic Si. Combine that with the fact that the xB weighs about 400lbs less......easy low 15 second right now.

In case imagestation is give you crap...
http://home.pacbell.net/psychors/elproto.jpg

please, please, please, get some pricing up soon.

this will make or break my decision on whether or not i purchase an xB.

What happened to this topic??? Anyone heard any news?!?!?!

get some kinda pricing JEEZ!!!! i want to turbo my box and have a happy blow of sound when i shift (SCHEEWWWWW)

Jeff

Release a damn kit already, the demand is here.

Sign me up please.... 8)

3 months and still counting :x :x :x

Any information would be appreciated...it's been 3 months, like others have said.

PRICE/UPDATES--please don't leave us hanging like everyone else.

It's still not released, and neither is any other turbo kit so stop bickering. They only have the one kit on the xA and that is not their car. That is a customer's car so to do what ever is needed also depends on the owner of the vehicle.

I was there yesterday to get a turbo manifold made but they have a full lot of cars that need to be finished and don't have enough man power to do it.

Are you guys hiring...basic automotive skills? I can't fabricate worth a ____ but if it's a bolt on kit, wiring, or swaps, I can help around.

Well i'm interested but... Where are those other items that EL was talking about? He gave the throttle body a 2 week time about 2 months ago. The turbo seems cool, but with no pricing guide who cares. Also that dyno sheet shows an awful issue with fuel managment.

Excuses like a lot full of cars, it's a customers car, man power. None of those matter. If you're going to quote times, then meet them already. You don't see that we're interested? Put some over time in. Hire some people. Work with a local dealership. MAKE SOMETHING ALREADY

Don't talk about it, be about it.

:evil:

Hello all,

Heres the scoop. Fuel managment is not the problem. Problem is fuel management that will not crank up the price of the kit beyond your wallets. From the polls we have taken and from talking to a lot of Scion owners over the last year, its seems like all anyone wants to spend is about $3000.00. Our competition is quoting 5K and everyone is is passing on the product. We could release the kit in a week but the boost would be lower and so would the HP numbers. It would be on stock management and make no more or no lees than the Blitz S/C. Those dyno numbers are with stock injectors with our new management we are working on. We released those numbers at the request of this board. None of our competitors have done this. Your right, the fuel numbers are not good, hense the reason the kit is not in your hands yet. When they are good, we will release a new sheet for everyone to see. Affordable power is the goal here without blowing your motor.

The throttle body issue was discussed in the thread in power hungry. When we make the new manifold we will post it.

Yes, it is a customers car. It is here almost every day. Its worked on and tested on a daily basis after hours (over time).

We want to assure you its coming. Thats why we have posted what we are doing, dyno results and going to shows and meets with the car. We know you want it, thats why we are building it. Sorry the time frame has gone beyond what we quoted but its time that will make a solid kit that everyone can enjoy.


ELP

sweeet :P

take your time, i needa save up anyways, haha. so what all are you including in the kit now? it sounds like a lot of things :D

I really want to put one on my Auto xB. What are the recomended upgrades? Is it only the clutch or what? thanx for putting your time and effort into this. I think we are all really excited about this new product. :D :D :D

Hello all,

Heres the scoop. Fuel managment is not the problem. Problem is fuel management that will not crank up the price of the kit beyond your wallets. From the polls we have taken and from talking to a lot of Scion owners over the last year, its seems like all anyone wants to spend is about $3000.00. Our competition is quoting 5K and everyone is is passing on the product. We could release the kit in a week but the boost would be lower and so would the HP numbers. It would be on stock management and make no more or no lees than the Blitz S/C


ELP

why not make stages?

Stage 1 stock fuel management
Stage 2 upgraded fuel Management
stage 3 To the moon!!

just some random thoughts :D

Where is this competitor that is making a kit for $5k that everyone is passing up on? Man if there was a turbo kit of ANY kind out there making any decently respectable numbers, i'd be on it. But there isn't. Only thing we have is false hope. I'm inches away from going to Boost Logic and having a complete custom turbo kit made, ____ the price.

mofo's need to be patient. you _____n about the wait, at least they are trying to solve any problems that would cause customers to be unhappy or ruin their cars(which would not be under warranty) whatever the case may be i can assure you these guys would love for this kit to be ready for everyone. i know i would rather wait until they have all the kinks worked out. hell most of the people _____n now would be the same ones _____n if their cars blew up b/c of fuel problems etc. ive just come to realize almost everything about my car is about wait. lava(3 months), wheels(3months), turbo(who knows).

mofo's need to be patient. you _____n about the wait, at least they are trying to solve any problems that would cause customers to be unhappy or ruin their cars(which would not be under warranty) whatever the case may be i can assure you these guys would love for this kit to be ready for everyone. i know i would rather wait until they have all the kinks worked out. hell most of the people _____n now would be the same ones _____n if their cars blew up b/c of fuel problems etc. ive just come to realize almost everything about my car is about wait. lava(3 months), wheels(3months), turbo(who knows).



wait eh? ehheh yah I know just how you feel. I ordered the lightened flywheel from this site over half a YEAR ago and im STILL waiting for the part....

Where is this competitor that is making a kit for $5k that everyone is passing up on? Man if there was a turbo kit of ANY kind out there making any decently respectable numbers, i'd be on it. But there isn't. Only thing we have is false hope. I'm inches away from going to Boost Logic and having a complete custom turbo kit made, ____ the price.

then go get it made... you're still going to be waiting for it. these cars are too new to be demanding stuff. they're gonna run into the same problems every other company is with the turbos so what's the difference?

Hello All,


Just dropping a line. We would like to answer this:

why not make stages?

Stage 1 stock fuel management
Stage 2 upgraded fuel Management
stage 3 To the moon!!

We can do this. Our worry was that everyone was not happy with the Blitz S/C at the levels it produced. Stage one would be about the same levels. The price would be lower however. Would Scion owners pay for a non intercooled 5 psi setup if it was under $2500.00? HP would be about the same as Blitz.


ELP

Hello All,


Just dropping a line. We would like to answer this:

why not make stages?

Stage 1 stock fuel management
Stage 2 upgraded fuel Management
stage 3 To the moon!!

We can do this. Our worry was that everyone was not happy with the Blitz S/C at the levels it produced. Stage one would be about the same levels. The price would be lower however. Would Scion owners pay for a non intercooled 5 psi setup if it was under $2500.00? HP would be about the same as Blitz.


ELP

how much higher in price would the next stages go up? that's probably better to make it in stages, gives more options and how much money everyone has to spend.

Ithink it would be agood idea. Even better would be the ability to upgrade from one stage to the next for the difference in prices. Just send out the extra pieces or have them send in the appropriate ones to be retuned.

That what we had in mind. It can be done like that.


ELP

that is an awesome plan... just need enough to get the kit going then when you get a few more bucks step it up a notch and get the next stage. that'd be cool. 8)

That what we had in mind. It can be done like that.


ELPThen I would definately be in for the cheaper kit! No way I could afford the stage 3 at first but I would definately get the Stage 1 and upgrade from there when I get the money.

Stages with the ability to upgrade with just the difference of price. You guys would own the market, hands down, that is a bithin' deal. Please get this thing going.

Thanks,

I cant wait till they come out!!!!

I'm in ...

IF:
1)Stage 1 is same HP as current Blitz S/C
2)Stage 2 is priced and installed as an upgrade (with substantial HP gains per $)
3)ditto for stage 3
4)minimized wear and tear on the engine

anyone know which parts of the warranty this will void? I know it wouldn't void everything. just curious ...

when will you guys fix your web page?

I'm in ...

IF:
1)Stage 1 is same HP as current Blitz S/C
2)Stage 2 is priced and installed as an upgrade (with substantial HP gains per $)
3)ditto for stage 3
4)minimized wear and tear on the engine

anyone know which parts of the warranty this will void? I know it wouldn't void everything. just curious ...

Anything that has to do with the drivetrain will be void...

I'm in ...

IF:
1)Stage 1 is same HP as current Blitz S/C
2)Stage 2 is priced and installed as an upgrade (with substantial HP gains per $)
3)ditto for stage 3
4)minimized wear and tear on the engine

anyone know which parts of the warranty this will void? I know it wouldn't void everything. just curious ...

Anything that has to do with the drivetrain will be void...And the engine.

How much is the fuel management? Is it possible to install the fuel system first, then when the turbo kit comes out your at stage two. What needs to change, injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, fuel pressure? Will the kit be compatible for manual and autos? How much psi are we talking about here for stage 1 and stage 2? Can we get an upgraded trans kit through you for manuals or autos, price? If not who would you recommend. Thanks for your time.

Bump this to the top...I need more info!!! :D

So where are we at now??
Chris

So where are we at now??
Chris

yeah, where are you all at now? just curious.

OK, COme on guys, I know you're reading this, how about an update..
Chris

its been about a month since i checked this thread just wondering if anyone has heard of any progress on this kit? thanks

They blew their engine...no lie

They blew their engine...no lie
:lol: :lol: :lol: That sucks. I'm getting a supercharger 8) .

i second that! the superchargers seem to be the most reliable thing going now. another one bites the dust. :cry:

The car was sponsored by a shop in bakersfield for a paint job which turned out excellent (candy tangerine on the bottom and black on top).

Seems like when the shop had the car...they took it for a joy ride and went a little boost crazy thinking the engine was built.

They got a lawyer now so we'll see what happens

all i have to say is "ouch"

has anyone tried the greddy kit yet?

The car was sponsored by a shop in bakersfield for a paint job which turned out excellent (candy tangerine on the bottom and black on top).

Seems like when the shop had the car...they took it for a joy ride and went a little boost crazy thinking the engine was built.

They got a lawyer now so we'll see what happens

no respect...damn.

Is that Paul Natividad's car? Oh man..ahaha... poor guy. Isn't the IGN/bBist xA the same Candy Tangerine color?

Ya, they have the Fabulous kit, he has the Kenstyle...they have a full tangerine color, has the 2 tone. Weird thing is he doesn't use the computer and when the IGN car went to Hot Import Daze...his paint job was finished the day before the show and it was by total chance that it would roughly be the same color.

They blew their engine...no lie

The engine blew because someone at the paint shop DISCONNECTED the wastegate actuator hose --- so the wastegate didn't open, nothing limited the boost.

Apparently it was running around 16psi for a brief time before it scattered pieces all over the road.

Keep in mind, this was abnormal circumstances. This does not mean theres something wrong with the kit.


ALSO -- Go with the supercharger, and I guarantee you'll be unhappy with the gains... and theres no way the reliability is any better...

i second that! the superchargers seem to be the most reliable thing going now. another one bites the dust. :cry:

That's a joke...

I'll bet that 16 psi was fun for the couple seconds it lasted. Yeehaw.

KiL

i second that! the superchargers seem to be the most reliable thing going now. another one bites the dust. :cry:


s/c is good but displacement must be a good amount.. ofcourse there are exceptions....s/c on a 4 banger is useless imho. w/ the exception of a few cars.. ie s2000 and a couple others...turbo works fine, just need correct tunning

well, i wouldnt mind a turbo or supercharger i just a bit more power and reliability. i dont want to spend all this money on a kit and then a little thing messes up and kaboom. after reading many many threads on this site about turbocharging xb's the only one that i have seen that seems to running well and going into production is the stafford kit. if a production turbo kit comes out heck ill jump on it in a sec but only if its been tested and coming from a reputable company, i wouldnt buy just any no name kit and risk blowing the engine or worse just to have a turbo.

cool..ill keep u updated w/ how staffords stuff is going as im in contact w/ him.

cool..ill keep u updated w/ how staffords stuff is going as im in contact w/ him.

thanks.... :wink:

I turbo'ed my car, it's not on fire yet -- except for the clutch. :shock: :lol:

do you have any pics? what sort of kit are you running? what sort of fuel management did you use? just curious.thanks

^^^ well i went to his homepage, and although i didn't find a picture of the turbo, i did find one of a turtle with a huge gillete razor type wing on it. :P

cool..ill keep u updated w/ how staffords stuff is going as im in contact w/ him.


TTT

Hello All,

Sorry its been a while. Long term testing is just about done. We ran at Pomona Raceway Sat. and Sun. Paul was able to pull down a 15.2 at 98 mph. It was the first time running it at a track and he is still learning to launch the xA. One more run at the dyno for final tuning and the kit will be put into production after SEMA. Be patiant Scion owners, its coming, it has to be right before it goes on your cars.


Thank You,
E.L Prototypes
WWW.ELPROTOTYPES.COM

nope it wont be carb approved. thats an easy answer..to get carb approval takes many many many more months of testing by government and the whole paperwork process...most people i know wont care for carb approval. i meant its a turbo kit u can take it off when its time for smog, and most of the time u wont get harassed for having it..i mean cmon we drive a scion..turbo is the last mod the cops gonna have on his mind. I use to have cars w/ F/I and never got in trouble for dailying them.

nah man chp's r major dicks. and puting a turbo kit on an off is not a simple task a full day man. plus pluggin the oil lines. p.i.t.a. i've never too much cared about smog but i never put a turbo or supercharger kit in a car. id be willing to wait and pay more for the carb. same thing with the blitz sc no carb breakin my balls here.

Hello All,

Sorry its been a while. Long term testing is just about done. We ran at Pomona Raceway Sat. and Sun. Paul was able to pull down a 15.2 at 98 mph. It was the first time running it at a track and he is still learning to launch the xA. One more run at the dyno for final tuning and the kit will be put into production after SEMA. Be patiant Scion owners, its coming, it has to be right before it goes on your cars.


Thank You,
E.L Prototypes
WWW.ELPROTOTYPES.COM

wow. those are impressive numbers. What other mods are there on the xa except for the turbo kit?

if you are hitting 98 mph.... that's a mid 14 second car with proper driver...

was a price ever established yet for this kit?

elprotoypes please contact me when this kit is ready...

if you are hitting 98 mph.... that's a mid 14 second car with proper driver...

was a price ever established yet for this kit?

elprotoypes please contact me when this kit is ready...

Definately a mid 14 :P

Hello,

Question: wow. those are impressive numbers. What other mods are there on the xa except for the turbo kit?
Answer: A boost controller was used to go beyond the 7psi kit wastegate setting. That run was at 9 psi. A Fujitsubo axil back muffler is the only other mod to the engine.

Price will be released on the web site soon.


ELP

Hello,

Question: wow. those are impressive numbers. What other mods are there on the xa except for the turbo kit?
Answer: A boost controller was used to go beyond the 7psi kit wastegate setting. That run was at 9 psi. A Fujitsubo axil back muffler is the only other mod to the engine.

Price will be released on the web site soon.


ELP


Any word on internals? I PM'ed you guys a while back, and I called and left a message recently...

Hello,
Price will be released on the web site soon.
ELP

Since you said the vehicle is at your shop nearly every day, how about you pop the hood and take a picture so we can see what this thing looks like. There's been pages of typing, but I don't see a single picture.

Hello,
Price will be released on the web site soon.
ELP

Since you said the vehicle is at your shop nearly every day, how about you pop the hood and take a picture so we can see what this thing looks like. There's been pages of typing, but I don't see a single picture.

Must have missed the link to the imagestation album eh? Isn't really much to look at... all you can see is a couple pipes. The turbo is pretty much hidden being down in the back.

Is this kit going to work for teh automatic xA's?

bump, damn the waiting :P seems we get a nibble every once in awhile, only to be left in limbo :P

bump, damn the waiting :P seems we get a nibble every once in awhile, only to be left in limbo :P
Yup it seems that way :cry:

itd be nice if any company made anything that was california friendly.

i think the only company that has an aftermarket turbo that is carb exempt is greddy. and those are for the civic and the integra, so i doubt we'll be so lucky.

are we they yet? jk any news yet

el prototypes are notorious for this.. at least they were to us Corolla people back in the day.

but hey, at least it's not Stafford Fabrication

^^ it's all good, as long as the product is good quality :)

they do get it right.. eventually..

dunno if you play games at all....but it's kinda like blizzard. they make a kick ___ product, but there is always delays in the production.

hmmm it seems that their site is down again

typical.. :(

itd be nice if any company made anything that was california friendly.

these guys make a product that will help you make your car be legal: www.uhaul.com

:wink:

lol.

At first, I was thinking... "Oh, you can just put your car inside a U-Haul and drive it around."

Then I realized that Californians should just move...

california is awesome tho. just smog. damn smogging of cars

turbooooo!!!!!! where are yoouuuuuu????

DAMN!!!!! i saw it last night. heard it. DAMN!!! i want one. the owner said that they are boosting 5psi for like 143 whp...sorry forget the torque...and he said that they are running 10 psi at the track for high 14's i think. aweeeesssooommee. okay i'm done.

so what was the price and do you know if it is gonna be sold in stages?

nope...sorry. was to excited about the turbo to even ask about it. :P

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMN!!!!! i saw it last night. heard it. DAMN!!! i want one. the owner said that they are boosting 5psi for like 143 whp...sorry forget the torque...and he said that they are running 10 psi at the track for high 14's i think. aweeeesssooommee. okay i'm done.

Gotta love that Blitz blowoff valve

They dynoed 7psi making 145 whp, 150 torque

Yeah...at 9psi Paul did a 15sec. flat so obviously 10psi will put him into the 14s but more driving practice will drop him into mids cuz I see him race all the time and it's just not all there

their xa is in the newest issue of import tuner f nim not mistaken and it says they make like 215hp.

215? i dont know about all that. . hmm 145whp with 7psi? what are they doing thats soo much better than other people 6-8 psi setups?

Hello,

Question : hmm 145whp with 7psi? what are they doing thats soo much better than other people 6-8 psi setups?

Answer :1. Properly sized turbo( maximum effeciency can be had in the factory rev range. Bigger is not always better)
2. Fueling done electronicaly not mechanicaly ( you can only push so much through the injector by upping the fuel pressure. Besides, Toyotas new fuel systems are clipped together with orings and plastic clamps. Too much fuel pressure could breach the system and cause a fire. Proper engine control with proper injectors will provide enough fuel for a given application without raising the fuel pressure).

Hope this helps.

ELP

2. Fueling done electronicaly not mechanicaly ( you can only push so much through the injector by upping the fuel pressure. Besides, Toyotas new fuel systems are clipped together with orings and plastic clamps. Too much fuel pressure could breach the system and cause a fire. Proper engine control with proper injectors will provide enough fuel for a given application without raising the fuel pressure).

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yeah i get that but what do you use? a completely different setup? and almost all newer cars have injectors that pop in with o-rings.

when will the kit be avail????????

when will the kit be avail????????
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I went by ELP yesterday, and what I heard is that after JGTC the car will be torn apart and they will start the process of producing the kits off the prototype.

finally

now for the most important question.....what is the price??

Hello,

Just to clarify we were speaking of the fuel system as a whole. Almost all injectors are sealed with orins yes. Since 98, Most if not all Toyota cars use a plastic clip and oring at the tank output hose, and at the fuel rail input line. Those are one ones that leak and pop under high fuel pressures.

Price. That will be finalized before the end of Dec. There will be a full write up on our web site. WWW.ELPROTOTYPES.COM

ELP

hooooray for a reply, and it looks like the site is back up!

Hello,

Just to clarify we were speaking of the fuel system as a whole. Almost all injectors are sealed with orins yes. Since 98, Most if not all Toyota cars use a plastic clip and oring at the tank output hose, and at the fuel rail input line. Those are one ones that leak and pop under high fuel pressures.

Price. That will be finalized before the end of Dec. There will be a full write up on our web site. WWW.ELPROTOTYPES.COM

ELP

Care to call me back with information on internals? I called about 4 months ago, and emailed, and PMed.

Hello,

Just to clarify we were speaking of the fuel system as a whole. Almost all injectors are sealed with orins yes. Since 98, Most if not all Toyota cars use a plastic clip and oring at the tank output hose, and at the fuel rail input line. Those are one ones that leak and pop under high fuel pressures.

Price. That will be finalized before the end of Dec. There will be a full write up on our web site. WWW.ELPROTOTYPES.COM

ELP

While this is true, you still need a 1:1 RRFPR to combat the pressure on the manifold. I know of the connectors you speak of, as I have exploded one already.

just curious, did yall decide to go and sell the setup in stages so its more affordable?

.just curious, did yall decide to go and sell the setup in stages so its more affordable?
They didn't even give info on when the kit will be available :lol: :lol: . So the wait continues for info from them :lol: :lol: . It's really funny to me :lol: :lol:

Today is the end of December...waiting on that full write up that is supposed to be due by 12 tonight.

Hopefully, anyway.

Today is the end of December...waiting on that full write up that is supposed to be due by 12 tonight.

Hopefully, anyway.
Sadly I don't think it's gonna happen :(

oh well. the wait continues.... :P

....... and continues......

grrrr el prototypes has a terrible habit of doing this as well as not returning mails. Hopefully if the world still exists when this is completed, the wait will be worth it...

p.s. and a little off topic, but what is that yellow bar above our names for?

you mean below your name?

that shows how much you've posted..

Hello All,

The write up is now on our web site. Once we crunch the numbers, a price will be on the site. Production is under way.

Heres the link : http://elprototypes.com/1nz%20turbo.htm

Hope this enlightens everyone.


ELP

wow , this really makes me hate my motor. garbage as piece of ____. yer guys's kit including piggyback will end up being over 3500 and still not on a strong enough motor. LAME. not el's fault but toyota's.

what'd you expect lol

Hello,

We think a lot of Scion owners were expecting to be able to get more power from the 1nz without going inside. We didnt release the kit yet because we wanted to explore every avenue and run longevity tests. These are the results of our testing. Real world figures, no B.S. Unlike our competition, we provided the results, good or bad.


ELP

EL,

would you consider a 1500 dollar adder to include a built engine with this? (core required) ?

Tamago,

Building blocks will not be a problem. As for $1500.00, sorry dont think that going to cut it. The cost of the rods will be close to that alone. Its what has to be done to the rod after it is made that bumps up the price. From what we have so far, its going to be about $270.00 a rod (just a quote). Pistons, the only manufature that can make it correctly to our specs is J.E. High point will be $850.00 . The block gaurd is cheap, but correctly done requires sleeving. Then a 1.7 can happen. We will post the set up on the site. Hope this helps.


ELP

did you people ever considerid other turbo kits?

HKS TURBO KIT
Toyota
1NZ-FE (T25)
http://www.capa.com.au/pics/turbo_kits_petrol_hks.jpg


TRUST TURBO KIT
Toyota
1NZ-FE (TF035)
http://www.capa.com.au/pics/turbo_kits_petrol_trust.jpg



Questions for E.L.Prototypes:
-do you need fuel-cut?
-are the oil lines for the turbo is made to feed without any overfeeding or underfeeding?
-what kind of turbo is used exactly? did ELP made it? or from another car or company?
-well the flywheel hold such power claimed?
-what kind of clutch needed?

flywheel can handle alot more but the stock clutch has a hard time with like 120 crank hp lol

did you people ever considerid other turbo kits?


Both of those are made for JDM bB's and will not work with the US ECU's...

Is there anyway you could use a jdm bB ecu??

why is everyone looking for such high hp numbers? with numbers only slightly higher than what wthe blitz kit is putting out, a kick ___ suspension, and a lightweight wheel tire combo(and the other requisit parts, in generalizing here) and you have yourself a pretty quick little car, shes not gonna be a quarter mile killer, but thats not the only way to go fast. also, did you look at the engine and its output BEFORE you bought the car, if so, your complaining about a "garbage" engine now? and with all this hp you want, how fast do you think your gonna go with our gearing?

people need to step back and realize there is no magic pill for the this car. build the internals and slap on a huge turbo and you may be fast 10k later, or put that money down on a car thats meant to go fast and not have to worry about buying a new block every 2 months :roll:

eh well the engine is garbage but the look is killer so i guess it's a compromise , i think alot of us figured the motor capable of alot more is all.

eh well the engine is garbage but the look is killer so i guess it's a compromise , i think alot of us figured the motor capable of alot more is all.

having too-high expectations from an all aluminum 1.5 liter doesn't make it garbage.. you just need to be more logical..

yeah i guess. well maybe i really will be leaning towards the gts swap . either way pos. lol i love my car and i love modding . i just figured new car modding possibilities. oh well . if my ol bmw or supra had soo many aftermarket producst itd be soo much better i bet the gains on those would be huge in comparison. eh what should i expect i mean shoot i almost forgot it's frickin fwd too. lol but yeah and on the subject of all aluminum think ls6

Hello,
asirvr4 wrote:

Questions for E.L.Prototypes:

-do you need fuel-cut?
No fuel cut. MAF will not produce a full 5 volts unless it fails 4.89 v is the highest seen.

-are the oil lines for the turbo is made to feed without any overfeeding or underfeeding?
we used -4an line. not drop in oil pressure at the block or head. turbo have been disassembled and it has not been oil starved.

-what kind of turbo is used exactly?
Switzer S1
-did ELP made it?
turbo kit yes in house, turbo from the UK
-or from another car or company?
no
-well the flywheel hold such power claimed?
flywheel yes
-what kind of clutch needed?
ACT Highest model available for 1nz

joe52985 wrote:
why is everyone looking for such high hp numbers?

Because a lot of owners want the most HP for there money. As a company we wanted to brovide that. Unfortunatly no data is available as to the failures of the engine. We took it upon ourselves to to push the envelope and provide that data. We have the makings of a good kit but requires some other goodies keep it together.


ELP[/b]

well, that question really is relevant, why are people looking for huge hp gains? the bottom line is how fast is the car. power is nothing if you can't use it. i the xA with the prototype is running 14's. that's 2 sec off of stock. that aint bad at all.

thats more than 2 secons stock is like 17.8

:clap: when is the kit going to be released, and what is the prices and other crucial info like that.???

Is there anyway you could use a jdm bB ecu??


I think I may try the HKS kit for the bB and then run the Universal AEM EMS and give that a shot. Any with info on something like this?

Hello,

Sorry, there is no universal box from AEM. Thier box doesnt support late model toyotas off the shelf. We had to make complexed internal modifications at the component level to make it compatable. AEM does not support or warranty this mod. It is an ELP exclusive. This mod might be part of our turbo kit depending on demand.



ELP

Hello,

We just realized we hit over 10,000 views on this thread. Thanks for the support Scion owners.



ELP :clap:

Hello,

Sorry, there is no universal box from AEM. Thier box doesnt support late model toyotas off the shelf. We had to make complexed internal modifications at the component level to make it compatable. AEM does not support or warranty this mod. It is an ELP exclusive. This mod might be part of our turbo kit depending on demand.



ELP

Actually AEM does offer a UNIVERSAL EMS. It was released at SEMA. I was there and saw it....

Stuart
Last Look Customs

Hello,

When I called AEM concerning this, they said no. The term universal box is used to loosely around there. It is a box with a plug that has all the available outputs their box can support, BUT you have to use all new sensors, igniters, coils, pick-ups, ect. New pick up wheels must be made to fit your engine also. They fail to mention that, and also fail to mention they will not support you over the phone if it is a none plug and play box because they dont know what YOUR doing with it. If the box is bad, they will fix it but thats it. We went down this road with them 8 months ago. I have customers here that have had boxes since they came out and were told those particular boxes were universal too. Guess what, wrong. They still have not been able to make them work.

Dont get us wrong, AEM's box is one of the best tools out there, but just doesnt work with your factory stuff. We decieded to take it one step further and mod the inside of the box. We are setting them up with the right internals to accept your factory sensors and making it a true plug and play. We will support our customers over the phone because WE know what YOUR doing with it. We will have the support files to do so.

If you want to give it a try, go for it. Were just trying to save you a big headache. We've been there done that already, thats why were doing what were doing now. good luck.

ELP

Hello,

When I called AEM concerning this, they said no. The term universal box is used to loosely around there. It is a box with a plug that has all the available outputs their box can support, BUT you have to use all new sensors, igniters, coils, pick-ups, ect. New pick up wheels must be made to fit your engine also. They fail to mention that, and also fail to mention they will not support you over the phone if it is a none plug and play box because they dont know what YOUR doing with it. If the box is bad, they will fix it but thats it. We went down this road with them 8 months ago. I have customers here that have had boxes since they came out and were told those particular boxes were universal too. Guess what, wrong. They still have not been able to make them work.

Dont get us wrong, AEM's box is one of the best tools out there, but just doesnt work with your factory stuff. We decieded to take it one step further and mod the inside of the box. We are setting them up with the right internals to accept your factory sensors and making it a true plug and play. We will support our customers over the phone because WE know what YOUR doing with it. We will have the support files to do so.

If you want to give it a try, go for it. Were just trying to save you a big headache. We've been there done that already, thats why were doing what were doing now. good luck.

ELP

I wasnt aware of that. Thanks for the clarification... I guess we can throw that idea in the crapper...

aem part# 30-0001 universal kit

Will this pass the newer oBD scan tests?

So is it out yet and how much for it?

So is it out yet and how much for it?

no it is not out yet. as you can read on the webiste, the problem with this kit is not the production itself, it is that our engines cannot handle the power. it can only support 3-4lbs of boost and the ecu does not support it.

I hear the kit will be available at the end of this month. That's what a little birdy told me :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:

I hear the kit will be available at the end of this month. That's what a little birdy told me :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:
The one between your legs? :silly: :rofl:

*ahem* Sorry. I still wonder what Paul's xA ran on the 1/4 mile...

I hear the kit will be available at the end of this month. That's what a little birdy told me :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:
The one between your legs? :silly: :rofl:

*ahem* Sorry. I still wonder what Paul's xA ran on the 1/4 mile...
Sounds like someone was given a pinky at birth that didn't grow up. I feel sorry for you bro :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . Here is the PM from E.L.P

Hello,

We setting the dead line for Feb 28th. Were waiting on the final price on the turbo if we buy it in bulk. They come from the UK so we have to figure out the unit pricing. Also, waiting on bulk pricing from Sperco on the intercooler. If we can get the pricing we want, this turbo kit will be rather inexpensive. Manifolds and piping are in production now. Hang tight, its coming.



Thank You,
ELP

(_))=== :cry:

:lol:

I'm still tempted to dump some loot on a Blitz SC...or an E.L. turbo setup...if the price is right.

when you get ready to install that badboy.... let me know ;)

They can hold more than 3-4 they can handle up to about 7psi for daily usage.

7psi for daily use?? that can't be right, can it? unless u only plan on driving around ur block. i've read elsewhere that 5psi is best for "daily" use

Dont know where you've read that yes 7psi is risky but many people have been using it daily. 8psi has caused blown motors. If i did fi I would run 6 or 7 psi. But I'm weary of spending 3+k for the f.i. just to risk the motor , I would rather spend 3+k on a trd supercharged 1zz and have reliability and the potential for more hp.

oh and dghotlava says he's running 11-12 psi daily. on stock block.

All I know is that allblackxb blew his with 7 or 8psi , and e.l. prototypes motor blew at 8psi when another shop's guy was "playing" with the car.

Supposedly they are doing a swap so i dunno if its true or not but if they are...y would they still sell a turbo kit when their motor blew...and I'm not talkin bout the one a few months ago.

and the kit was spose to be out in january...then febuary...now march. If you were that serious about turbo you would get a custom kit made. If it's a showcar...get a name brand kit and if it's not, then go custom with a reliable shop in your area. Who really cares as long as you GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Any new info on the progress of the kit?

Bumpage.

Keepin it around 5 ~ 6 psi is a nice starter. Buildup a spare block in the shed with forged components and have it ready when the stock one goes... That's what we're gonna do up here, as the warranty wears out on the '04.

Where in the hell is el prototypes web site? :tap:

I was running 7 psi all day long. I also ran at 9psi for a few hours. My fuel system was hooked up wrong so it stayed on all the time and it got hot and gave out. As the system was giving out we kept adding fuel to compensate for the air/fuel ratios. So when we put the new pump on it got to much fuel and spiked. 13.5psi did it for our engine. At one point thought we tried 12psi and it started pinging. So our engines can definately hold more than 7psi. More than 9psi. But i would definately not recommend going over 10psi on stock internals just in case of boost spike.

I was running 7 psi all day long. I also ran at 9psi for a few hours. My fuel system was hooked up wrong so it stayed on all the time and it got hot and gave out. As the system was giving out we kept adding fuel to compensate for the air/fuel ratios. So when we put the new pump on it got to much fuel and spiked. 13.5psi did it for our engine. At one point thought we tried 12psi and it started pinging. So our engines can definately hold more than 7psi. More than 9psi. But i would definately not recommend going over 10psi on stock internals just in case of boost spike.
So the fuel was causing the boost spikes? everything else was a-ok?

I was using premium gas and at 12psi the engine started to ping so we didn't finish the dyno run.

Later that night after replacing the fuel pump:
The amount of fuel that was going into the engine for those few seconds was so much the boost started to spike 4.5psi higher than it should have been and the connecting rod collapsed. Just an unfortunate mistake. We didn't reset the fuel setting. I'm definately keeping my kit on it is a perfect system. I was driving my car everyday. I drove it to L.A. and back twice. I put over 6,000 miles on my system.

i gotta go out to a nvs meet and check this kit out. too bad i havent been around the bay much lately. any chance ur gonna dyno it again?

A very big chance of dynoing it again. Once the motor is put back together i will hopefully run 9psi maybe about 140whp through an automatic. I have pics of the kit on my cardomain site in my signiture.

Yet there is still no turbo kit for sale which benefits anyone...just ANOTHER blown engine thanks to a cheap ___ car

I just don't understand though. Why the scion xa/xb engines? Why are they so weak. I've seen plenty of civics w/ 1.8l with 250whp+ with stock internals which pull about 120whp stock. Scionspeed is running at like 13psi getting over 300whp on a tc when stock is 140whp on stock internals. I just don't understand.

It's stupid. My neighbor has a completely stock crx with b16 + turbo and has run 11lbs daily for over a year now and hasn't had a problem.

A honda engine in a Scion sounds mighty good around now

It's stupid. My neighbor has a completely stock crx with b16 + turbo and has run 11lbs daily for over a year now and hasn't had a problem.

A honda engine in a Scion sounds mighty good around now
joe, i like how you say completely stock crx but then you add in that he has a b16 turbo...hahaha...i didnt know usdm crx's came with b16s???..hahah

It's stupid. My neighbor has a completely stock crx with b16 + turbo and has run 11lbs daily for over a year now and hasn't had a problem.

A honda engine in a Scion sounds mighty good around now
joe, i like how you say completely stock crx but then you add in that he has a b16 turbo...hahaha...i didnt know usdm crx's came with b16s???..hahahwell he probably meant , street tires and full interior , or something to that effect , joe's a funny guy , thats why we love him , nukka nukka

I meant all he did was engine swap and ebay turbo kit...no big uprgades what so ever to the engine and that being stock handles 11lbs daily.

they did come with B16a's in Japan

sadly our only other engine choice is a 1.3L

JDM bB 2NZ-fe

and 1.0

I hear the kit will be available at the end of this month. That's what a little birdy told me :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:
The one between your legs? :silly: :rofl:

*ahem* Sorry. I still wonder what Paul's xA ran on the 1/4 mile...
Sounds like someone was given a pinky at birth that didn't grow up. I feel sorry for you bro :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: . Here is the PM from E.L.P

Hello,

We setting the dead line for Feb 28th. Were waiting on the final price on the turbo if we buy it in bulk. They come from the UK so we have to figure out the unit pricing. Also, waiting on bulk pricing from Sperco on the intercooler. If we can get the pricing we want, this turbo kit will be rather inexpensive. Manifolds and piping are in production now. Hang tight, its coming.



Thank You,
ELP


hmmm its now the 28th and it seems that their page is not even up :( :yawn:

They ditched fi on this car , it will be too much money to build it and boost it.

fo sho?

eh , who knows ,if their site was up we could snoop around more .

bump :tap:

What i dont understand is toyota was hyping the scion as being a tuner and then they stick a weak engine in them. I guess they just wanted our money. Where is the trd turbo/supercharger that was supposed to be coming out shortly after the scion hit nationwide. This is bull they should give us all new motors that can handle boost :P .

What i dont understand is toyota was hyping the scion as being a tuner and then they stick a weak engine in them. I guess they just wanted our money...
imo whoever at toyota said "lets market this thing as a tuner car" was a genius... 'lets encourage ppl to "tune" their cars and void their warranties' - once that happens, they have nothing to do w/ us and we're on our own. Pretty slick business. anywho...
when's this turbocharger coming out? i need to blow up my engine asap. :)

Eh...........forget waiting for these people and their turbo kits they're SUPPOSEDLY coming out with. Just peice one together on your own.

KiL

So when id the xB kit coming out ??

So when id the xB kit coming out ??
I doubt if it EVER will :nope: :no:

look what i found! bump

I guess this product exists ;)

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=99770

http://www.scionlife.com/features/05/01/scion3.jpg

Is that an intercooler pipe with a BOV I see?

I hope they meant it's due 2/28/2006 8)

theyve had the kit for awhile but it kept on blowing motors whether because of the kit or from abuse.

either way it will never be carb approved so whatever.

theyve had the kit for awhile but it kept on blowing motors whether because of the kit or from abuse.

either way it will never be carb approved so whatever.

I feel sorry for you guys in CA, but... i live in VA, so i don't particularly care about CARB :lalala: :wink: