So I was thinking about reviewing the 2005 xB on epinions and ran into this. http://www.epinions.com/content_167835569796
Ignorance in full bloom. The other reviews are all positive but this one, geeze.

Author's Product Rating


Pros
comfortable seats, enormous headroom, cargo space, purchase price, expected reliability

Cons
BAD FUEL ECONOMY plus no: side airbags, daytime lights, rear discs, sunroof, hybrid model

The Bottom Line
Bad gas mileage - skimpy safety features - bad ergonomics - I expected better!

This is such and ignant rating on the "gas consumption".

Wow, he's a real *****. The car is amazing! It gets great gas mileage and I don't think that running daytime lights is that big of an issue! The car is perfect!!!!!!!! I don't know what his problem is.

I have read every Scion XB review available and this one is the NUTTIEST. Almost every review is favorable, asking for an armrest or more interior light. But this guy, and his daughter, are NUTS! Daytime running lights? He is too lazy to flip the switch. I want to control some things, seatbelt and headlight use. This guy has never been to a drive-in. Read all the other reviews, google XB reviews and enjoy.

I agree with the part where he says the cruise control is difficult to use. However, he goes on and on about it like its a dealbreaker or something...

We get 38 MPG - my wife is the main driver of it and she babies it.

I didn't read the whole thing cause it is so long, but I get about 32 - 34 in my xB and that's probably the best or second best out of all of the cars that my family has!

This is what happens when you expect to have $30,000+ value in a <$15,000 car. You just can't please some people.

he's a bit of a crackhead plain and simple.

my only beef with the xb is why'd they have to just rob engines out of an echo and shove in a box whena 1.5L dual cam engine with a variable valve system could easily make more power and retain great MPG with a little R&D. Even 125hp instead of 108 would make me shut up.

i just want the 1zz 130hp. can u say trd supercharger? 1,920.00 for the kit. 162 whp.

Comment left, this is the first bad review of the xB I have ever seen

two words, buyer's remorse :shock:

That moron is just pist cuz his wife wouldn't let him get a PT Loser. I own a 99 BMW 750il(V12), 97 Triumph Daytona, 04 Acura TL(wife's), and my XB. The XB is definately my favorite. Oh, I beat the snot out of a fat girl in her Kia Optima in the "s" curves by my house.......:)

i just want the 1zz 130hp. can u say trd supercharger? 1,920.00 for the kit. 162 whp.

162 whp isn't very impressive. maybe for a xb but why go through all that trouble for such a small increase.

my only beef with the xb is why'd they have to just rob engines out of an echo and shove in a box whena 1.5L dual cam engine with a variable valve system could easily make more power and retain great MPG with a little R&D. Even 125hp instead of 108 would make me shut up.

I'm with ya on this ONE! :eyebrow:

what an airhead. This is also my first time reading a bad review of the xB.

I wonder if this guy has seen this site because if has he would see that the people love these cars. And to get his facts right the xb out sales the xA.

xx

Take the XB and redesign it to be more like the Echo. Wait a miniute, wouldn't that make it an Echo???? Whats more aerodynamical---a box or and egg---hmmmm. Yes, make the Box into an Egg!!! That will solve the problem.

i just want the 1zz 130hp. can u say trd supercharger? 1,920.00 for the kit. 162 whp.

162 whp isn't very impressive. maybe for a xb but why go through all that trouble for such a small increase. umm... more than what anyones got now isnt it ? and keep yer warranty, as well as with other bolt ons easily get 180whp.

i just want the 1zz 130hp. can u say trd supercharger? 1,920.00 for the kit. 162 whp.

162 whp isn't very impressive. maybe for a xb but why go through all that trouble for such a small increase.
162whp is plenty to get you from A to B quickly. I reached only 173whp and 169wtq on my boosted 02 civic (d17a2, 11lbs, ball bearing T25) and she ran 14.1s on heavy 17's (23lbs) w/ street tires all day long at the track.

162 is oh so nice alone..........vrOOOOM......WEEEEEEEEEEE!


i'm done :P

I read this same review about a week ago and got so worked up. This guys is an idiot faulting the car for silly things. When I got to this point: "Had I realized the xB lacked daytime running lights, I probably would not have bought it.", I had to stop. I sum up the xB/xA this way: For the money, I don't think you'll find a better [new] car.

by the length and detail of the review it looks as though they went through a GREAT deal of trouble to make themselves look like a COMPLETE F@CKING IDIOT

I did so much research on the xB before I bought one and just about any review called the car "most wanted" or "great buy" or "editor's most wanted". After driving around my xB for about 800 miles, it has become more and more fun everytime I get behind the wheel.

This guy's short, pudgey, balding, wears thick glasses and has a moustache. Never trust a man with a moustache. :no:

First of all, I have no sympathy for people who buy a car and then "discover" features (or lack there of) after the fact. You just spent friggin' $15k and you don't know what you car does (or doesn't) have? C'mon! If DRLs are so important how come he didn't ask in the first place? This guy is a perfect example of buying a vehicle without truly doing the homework before the purchase.

As for the fuel economy- this guy needs a wake-up call. EVERY VEHICLES EPA RATED MILEAGE is typically listed WAY above where it will normally perform. If you read the print underneath it clearly says that this mileage is not guaranteed. The most ridiculous sentence of all: "I plan to sue." Whatever. Learn to read.

Tool.

This is known as "Buyers Remorse". He wanted something different and didn't do his homework up fromt so he ended up with something that didn't meet his expectations. Therefore in effort to avoid blame for making the wrong decision, he's going to show Toyota by bad mouthing them and suing. What a Dick!

Read the "Comments" to the review. I left the comment entitled "Maybe you should have done your homework". :P

Also look at his other reviews, 3 others with 1 star. Looks like a chronic _____er to me.

hmm my comment on that idiots review wasn't posted. :anger:

I just don't see how a 52 year old man can comment about the "youth markets" opinion.
And he must have hated every car he owned until like '95 because of no day time running lights being offered before then..... (95 is an assumption so please correct if you know)

that guy sucks, he drive a honda element

What an IDIOT!!! I sure didn't know you could sue due to less than estimated gas mileage!!!
I loved the part where he was going to sue, got the dealer backed into a corner, ready to grab their ankles just to shut him up, then he decides to keep the car because it has headroom. He doesn't need headroom, he needs a larger seat because the location of his head is curiously near the location of his wallet!
As for DRL's, if everyone had DRL's, how would you know when the funeral procession was over?
It does sound like he wants an Echo loaded up witth every Lexus option there is. All for <10,000.


Not meaning to offend, but I am glad that I drive an xA, so there is no chance that anyone will think I am this guy. :rofl: :rofl:

i just want the 1zz 130hp. can u say trd supercharger? 1,920.00 for the kit. 162 whp.

162 whp isn't very impressive. maybe for a xb but why go through all that trouble for such a small increase.

Audi A4's with the 1.8L Turbo are only doing 150, so a box doing 162 is going to move just nicely.

Read the "Comments" to the review. I left the comment entitled "Maybe you should have done your homework". :P
Mine is the "Humph" one, the longest one...whoops... my two favorite parts are when he says that Scion has not captured the youth market, and that they should have 'neat' paint jobs on them, stock. :loser: Oh, and if you dont like the review by this guy, you can rate it "not helpful" at the end.

hmm my comment on that idiots review wasn't posted. :anger:

Oh, but I belive it was... it just took awhile.

is it me or are they deleting comments? there used to be 8, now theres only 5, and mine was pretty angry and never saw light of day

^^if you are Whiznang (forgive me if mis-spelled) it is still there, mine is right by yours, I am mrsir.

Mine's still there too (I'm Gadgetnut). I think you may have to be logged in to see some of the newer ones.

I came across that lame review a month or so ago when reviewing scions. thats just how people are. when I got my jeep it was the same way, the people who KNEW what they were buying loved it. the ones who expected more than what they bought hated it. Some people are just ignorant and nothing can ever be their fault or good enough.

in other news my gf orders a tC the other day, they call her back last night and tell her she wont be able to get in an 05 so theyll just go ahe4ad and order her up an 06

...still jeleaous :nope:

ok im new to epinions, i only signed up to tell that guy what a spankjob he is :P

ok im new to epinions, i only signed up to tell that guy what a spankjob he is :P

:P me too!... LOL @ spankjob...

did the same --- left a great review and a respectful comment back to this turd, my comment has yet to appear

"The front doors have a sharp, square corner on the rear. I’ve scarred my calf twice so far on this. Scion should round off the front doors’ corners. "

how does he get his fat stupid legs under the door to hurt himself?

^^ He must be a Complete clutz, the doors are SO HUGE! Oh, and you have a new friend on myspace :) (Sam) << Thats ME!

Oh, and 13 comments, most of them bad now, haha, take that!

This guy is full if sh$T. He wanted to buy an SUV but it's pricey and fuel economy sucks. So he bought the Scion becuase he expected to get 33mpg on mixed driving but he really is getting 27-28. He's probably driving the car rough on a daily basis. He also mentioned that the car have no day time running lights, well wake up dude! There are many many small cars out there that don't have day time running lights. and I can't believe he was trying to compare the xB to an Echo. I wish they posted his e-mail address so we can all let him have it.

you've been added!

think about it: how close can the BACK OF YOUR LEG get to the bottom of your car door when you open/close it. the xB isnt the only car in the world with pointy doors.

:breath:

he said so much stupid **** its making my head hurt.

This guy is full if sh$T. He wanted to buy an SUV but it's pricey and fuel economy sucks. So he bought the Scion becuase he expected to get 33mpg on mixed driving but he really is getting 27-28. He's probably driving the car rough on a daily basis. He also mentioned that the car have no day time running lights, well wake up dude! There are many many small cars out there that don't have day time running lights. and I can't believe he was trying to compare the xB to an Echo. I wish they posted his e-mail address so we can all let him have it.

they should post his street adress :tap:

I'm sure he's the type that would _____ if he were hung with a new rope. Makes bad decisions for himself then passes the blame on.

okay, people, there is a quick review section, right after his stupid shpeel, were you can rate it, Not helpful, Somewhat helpful, helpful, or, Very helpful, right now, his review is 'Very helpful,' if all the people that read it from here put what they really think (Not helpful) then we will bring down his review, and no one will even read it, Cuz before they even click on it, they will see that he is full of Sh*t.

What a moron. This just goes to show that you can't please everyone, try as you might. He just got a car which is the best bang for your buck in the under $20k range anywhere and still finds things to _____ about.

Not having rear disks?!!! Give me a damn break. The car weighs 2400 lbs and has a 108hp engine, what do you need rear disks for, especially when it has 4 wheel ABS and EBD!!!! The dude even contradicts himself by saying it seems to stop very well. No sheeit sherlock.

Daytime running lights?!!! Are you kidding me? I hate those things. Here's a simple solution to that problem for this asshat.....
1)reach down to the left side of your steering wheel.
2)locate the stalk coming off the side of the steering wheel.
3)twist the end of it.

There, your lights are now on. Moron.

Who in their right minds would _____ about approx 30MPG? He even said that he was looking at SUV's before. Show me another car that gets the xB's MGP, has just as much cargo room, just as many features standard and a $15000 MSRP. Hell, the estimated difference in gas you'll spend each year between an xB and a Prius is less than a few hundred bucks, and the Scion is 1/2 the price.

This guy needs to be slapped silly.

okay, people, there is a quick review section, right after his stupid shpeel, were you can rate it, Not helpful, Somewhat helpful, helpful, or, Very helpful, right now, his review is 'Very helpful,' if all the people that read it from here put what they really think (Not helpful) then we will bring down his review, and no one will even read it, Cuz before they even click on it, they will see that he is full of Sh*t.


i'd like as many people as possible to read his "review", then read what we wrote so they can see he has the I.Q. of a scrotum.

The problem is most people dont even read the comments.

He complained about the cruise control being on the left hand side? I have only owned two other cars that had cruise and they were both on the left hand side and I never thought "Wow this is not very ergonomical." What a dope.

he should be horse whipped and dragged through the streets (behind an xB)

The person who wrote that review is an idiot. Maybe he should have bought a more exspensive car if that is what he wanted. 15,000 for a brand new Toyota is unbeleiveable, If they wanted a Lexus they should get one.

I just wrote a rather good comment if i should say so myself, hehe. It should show up eventually, being that comments show up after some time. But check it out, it's the comment entitled, "Short, Fat, and Bald" by (duh!) Prototype_xB

This guy is a total joke, he complainted about auto head light, no side air bag, lack of power, coppy ride, etc etc etc.... I mean c'mon....its a good car, the reason that hes complaining because he probably get this car, thinking that wid the funky look, and it'll go fast....lolz....the only thing that he doesn't kno is that he only spend 15k, i am happy with my box, i've had 2 cars before this one and none of them came close...the VW Beetle is good package and all, but every bits and pieces of defect made me sold it, as for my civic....well....its good and all, but when it comes to like ppl, they messes wid u cuz u lower ur civic wid nice rims, i got rid of that....lolz....and now i'm a happy camper, wonderin why he still hasn't sell his car yet....

he also mentioned going 50 on rough rd trying to drink coffee.... :rofl: HELLO? you are not suppose to DRINK AND DRIVE? espically when its hot.... my bro's prelude had the suspension stiffer then my car and i still drink hot coffee when i'm driving it on rough rd no problem...all it takes is SKILLS.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: oh yea....he also complained about the lack of power...um....did anyone tell him that its only a 1.5?? do that math dude!!

In conclusion, I just think he is a typical :loser: with wrong sense of mine.... why? because hes comparing the box with Camry and Avalon.....lolz...those two cars are more expensive and are totally different creatures when compared together.... why doesn't he compare his Camry and Avalon to a MBZ? it will be fun to see what he will write....

Do your homework! This guy has waaayyyy too much time on his hands.

Ken

me??

ugh! When is my comment gonna show up on there!?

ebgames.com has it the same way...they don't check reviews or anything, it's all ignorance. If you want real reviews you have to check professional sites, newspapers, mags, etc.

he'll even i'll jump in on this one....

i being someone who loves every aspect of the Xb finds this man a totaly and complete joke....day time runnings hes complaining about?? sounds like he's Hating the box for the wrong reasons i have found nothing but good out of my xb....and DUH its not a speed demon but its still has that fun to drive factor lol just like a Del Sol type S has....sure its a 1.5 lt but its not a bad engine....the car moves right?? i could go on a tangent but most of us here have already stated what a ftard that guy is. :loser:

I was just thinking...why do you need lights in the day time >.<

What's wrong with this review? It's HIS review and HIS opinions.

Just because YOU don't like what is said doesn't mean the guy is a monster or something. He is entitled to his opinion without having rocks thrown..
Lighten up people...

it is because he is saying things like they are true, jumping to conclusions that are not true at all. He is a Liar, and we are calling him on it.

it is because he is saying things like they are true, jumping to conclusions that are not true at all. He is a Liar, and we are calling him on it.

And your an idiot for not allowing him to have his opinion or his own view.
He tested and documented his experiences. All you did was call him a liar.
So who is more credible?

it is because he is saying things like they are true, jumping to conclusions that are not true at all. He is a Liar, and we are calling him on it.

And your an idiot for not allowing him to have his opinion or his own view.
He tested and documented his experiences. All you did was call him a liar.
So who is more credible?

Okay, I called him an liar, and you are calling me an idiot, what makes you any better than me?
Who says he tested? All he did was document, most of us are saying that he did not do his homework BEFORE he bought the car. Oh, and there is a place for comments for one reason... TO LEAVE COMMENTS! Does it say "click here to read possitive comments about this review." NO, be they bad or good, they are all comments. We are expressing our opinions about his review, and we come here to express our opinions about him.

want DRL's, turn on your headlights, i can careless about side impact airbags, if your gonna get hit in the side your still gonna feel it in the morning :-\ and we are also titled to our own opinion. i think the guy is a total newbie idiot. i get a lousey 25 MPG because of my nightjob. so what?

He Wrote::: ACCESSORIES: The long list of expensive accessories that are offered by Scion are almost universally ignored by buyers (according to my salesman). :no: :flame: I bought only mats & cruise. Most other buyers do the same. ......The dealer (Price-LeBlanc Toyota-Scion of Baton Rouge) says that the car is within normal specs, and that my mileage is "normal." I plan to sue. :gun:

They need to get some qualified / involved sales people in LeBlanc :pray: :pray: :pray: accessories universally ignored?????????? dddddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. :rofl:

it is because he is saying things like they are true, jumping to conclusions that are not true at all. He is a Liar, and we are calling him on it.

And your an idiot for not allowing him to have his opinion or his own view.
He tested and documented his experiences. All you did was call him a liar.
So who is more credible?

Okay, I called him an liar, and you are calling me an idiot, what makes you any better than me?
Who says he tested? All he did was document, most of us are saying that he did not do his homework BEFORE he bought the car. Oh, and there is a place for comments for one reason... TO LEAVE COMMENTS! Does it say "click here to read possitive comments about this review." NO, be they bad or good, they are all comments. We are expressing our opinions about his review, and we come here to express our opinions about him.

Your still an IDIOT if you can't tell the difference between commenting on a car vs the person who wrote it. He is entitled to his opinion ABOUT his car. You should comment on YOUR opinion about the car. Why bash him cause YOU don't like what was said. How stupid is that?

his 'opinions' are wrong. like for example in his opinion the front wheels intrude into the foot space, which you would have to be a stone cold idiot to think that. this guy (probably you) posted so much misinformation about the car its rediculous. granted he has opinions that are legitimately his like lack of daytime running lights and side airbags, but 90% of the stuff he wrote about was either dead opposite of the truth or so whacked out (6 inches of ground clearance not enough? dragged the bumper off? etc...) its hard to take anything he says seriously.

"stupid is as stupid does".......(Forest Gump)

his 'opinions' are wrong. like for example in his opinion the front wheels intrude into the foot space, which you would have to be a stone cold idiot to think that. this guy (probably you) posted so much misinformation about the car its rediculous. granted he has opinions that are legitimately his like lack of daytime running lights and side airbags, but 90% of the stuff he wrote about was either dead opposite of the truth or so whacked out (6 inches of ground clearance not enough? dragged the bumper off? etc...) its hard to take anything he says seriously.

Yet another idiot. Suppose his last car had lots of foot well space? So he BELIEVES in HIS OPINION the footwell space is not adequate.
Maybe daytime running lights saved his life once and HE BELIEVES in them. Enough to write and document his feelings.
How do you know the 6 inch clearance is enough room for his needs?
All you do is bash him without anything constructive to say. Grow up and learn to respect other peoples opinions.
I don't know who this guy is your intent on bashing. I do know that at LEAST he put some effort into standing up for his OPINIONS. More than most of you ignorant immature morons have done.

his 'opinions' are wrong. like for example in his opinion the front wheels intrude into the foot space, which you would have to be a stone cold idiot to think that. this guy (probably you) posted so much misinformation about the car its rediculous. granted he has opinions that are legitimately his like lack of daytime running lights and side airbags, but 90% of the stuff he wrote about was either dead opposite of the truth or so whacked out (6 inches of ground clearance not enough? dragged the bumper off? etc...) its hard to take anything he says seriously.

Yet another idiot. Suppose his last car had lots of foot well space? So he BELIEVES in HIS OPINION the footwell space is not adequate.
Maybe daytime running lights saved his life once and HE BELIEVES in them. Enough to write and document his feelings.
How do you know the 6 inch clearance is enough room for his needs?
All you do is bash him without anything constructive to say. Grow up and learn to respect other peoples opinions.
I don't know who this guy is your intent on bashing. I do know that at LEAST he put some effort into standing up for his OPINIONS. More than most of you ignorant immature morons have done.

wow, by the way you are standing up for him, you would think it was you... Oh, and what does he do to make six inches of ground clearance not good enough? Off roading?

Maybe you should read my feedback again, I point out the things that are OBVIOUSLY false, and offer him options that would make his problems go away.

Humph (Delete your comment)
by mrsir
sheesh, this is odd, this seems to be the only bad review of an xB I can find. First of all, you say "lack of daytime running lights (a serious safety shortcoming)" how is it a serious safety shortcoming? Just turn on your lights when you get in the car! You seem to be just picking at this car, trying to find any little thing you can to complain about. Who cares if there is no hybrid model? does every car have to have a hybrid model? Is that a sign of great status in your book? And a sunroof, they are trying to keep the price down on these cars when they are stock, you can get a sunroof aftermarket for less than a thousand dollars. And your comment about the dark fabric on the interior, if you dont want it to get hot, get a sun shade and tint the windows darker, it makes a difference, belive me.
You also say "Obviously, Scion needs to hire some Italian designers if they want the youth market." and "Toyota wants to sell Scions to the youth market, and they may do fine with their xA and tc models. The xB, though, is a massive failure from a "youth" perspective" Have you not noticed, Scion has the youth market. We youth love it, it is you parents that hate it. And then for my Favorite quote :"lack of 4-wheel discs, and lack of a neat paintjob" Lets tackle the disc one first, with only 108 HP the xB does not need rear disc breaks, the drum breaks use less energy, and you say yourself that it breaks just fine. And now paintjob, "lack of a neat paint job?" show me a car on the market that comes with a "neat paint job" stock. Scion is all about customization. These cars were built as empty canvases for the young minds of my generation to work their magic on. And we have, and we LOVE them. Scion does have limited release colors, the R.S. 1.0 Hot Lava, and the R.S. 2.0 Solar Yellow, and that is only the xB. Please do your homework. You should have done it before you bought the car. [/b]

hmmm

Ha! “Respect other people” then call someone an “ignorant moron”. That’s classic. And an ignorant moron? Isn’t that redundant?

update: he retracted his statements...and now LOVES the car. :rofl:

Well, I wouldn't say he loves his xB, but at least after 15K miles he now recommends it. The issue with the rear drum brakes and I assume most of the other things he disliked are still there, but at least he discovered his wife's lead foot on the gas was responsible for the poor gas mileage.

Personally, I think his review was well-written. True, he seems to be an overly picky person and writes as though he thinks he's God's gift to someone. But, I'm sure those who read his review will understand that since he's most definately in the minority.

When I was doing my research prior to purchase, I took a look at his review just to see why the heck anyone would rate the xB less than 4 stars.

tom tom...I see traffic ahead, can you suggest an alternate route? (sorry, I couldnt resist)

he says he has to reset the drum breaks...I have never once had to do this, and I have had mine more than a year. And if he wants disc breaks, do a conversion.

Oh, I beat the snot out of a fat girl in her Kia Optima in the "s" curves by my house.......:)



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tom tom...I see traffic ahead, can you suggest an alternate route? (sorry, I couldnt resist)

he says he has to reset the drum breaks...I have never once had to do this, and I have had mine more than a year. And if he wants disc breaks, do a conversion.

Maybe his wife likes to stop as fast as she starts and the brake linings are wearing out quickly :silly: .

Yeah, it's not easy having a nickname that corresponds to a big GPS company. Notice their logo is the hands - I've got the drum.

TOM TOMpkins