its crazy, my total came up to 23K for my RS 1.0, almost 8K in dealer options and they offer no discount, i am thinking about demanding one or not purchase. crazy that they will not negotiate..

holly crappy i paid 17,500 (est) out the door.. what did you add to the car? oh and i found out yesterday that scion is one price sales :wink:

they wont negotiate.....eat the price or walk...they were even bein dicks about my trade in...

i got every available option plus TRD stuff: TRD sport muffler, hotchkis sway bar, TRD 18 inch rims, AIM intake, and TRD shift kit.

they should offer some type of discount when you buy everthing, like a package deal or something. 23K for this.

i can get a BMW(used 5 speed) 530I 2001-02 for 27K. so i am having second thoughts..

Dont get all the options. Sounds like you wanted 8k in extras(your choice). Your threat wont do much, they wont have a problem selling it. Its the price you pay to have the "limited edition loaded and warrentied". It sucks but there isnt much haggeling going on when you buy them.

take it or leave it... :D thats where they are makin all their money.. in the aftermarket stuff.. i realize that you are buying a lot and a little slack would be nice. but if you dont buy it somebody else will. so they kinda have you by the balls :wink:

out the door i have a final cost in teh area of over 23. Thats trd wheels, springs, shocks, struts, muffler, aem intake, orange package, 3M bra, 6/100000 platinum warranty, door sills, floor mats, clear lights, trd steering wheel, subwoofer. I think thats what i got, and everything installed for a little more. The parts they wont help you out at all with, scions price is the price. But ask them to cut you a break on the warranty or invisible bra or install cost. They have to documet teh cost of the parts as sticker, but see if install and stuff not scion and trd can be cheapened.

My dealer also explained that scion wants prices to be unifrom, at your dealer and down teh street you will get teh same cost, so that you are getting strung along. In my opinion the cost of the options is pretty outragious. They got to be making a ton of money off that ____.

Understandably you think that when buying everything you would get a break but Scion's whole philosophy is to make the car how you want it and to make the car sit at the price you want, if everything you want is too much right now take some of it off and buy it later. Scion is Pure Price, what you see is what you get, as a rule in what all of us dealers signed in order to have Scion we CAN'T negotiate, everything is supposed to be transparent for our customers...

If we cut one kid a break then the whole Scion process falls apart and then it falls into the same situation as other car makes are, with the Pure Price philosophy it sets scion apart, and makes it easier on everyone by eliminating the negotiation process.

To you it may seem unfair, but there are ways around it, simply wait to purchase some accessories until you can afford them.

some good comments, but for me its not really the money, as my car budget is 35K, i really like the xb - is more of principle - when you purchase volume - you expect some price break.

Understandably you think that when buying everything you would get a break but Scion's whole philosophy is to make the car how you want it and to make the car sit at the price you want, if everything you want is too much right now take some of it off and buy it later. Scion is Pure Price, what you see is what you get, as a rule in what all of us dealers signed in order to have Scion we CAN'T negotiate, everything is supposed to be transparent for our customers...

If we cut one kid a break then the whole Scion process falls apart and then it falls into the same situation as other car makes are, with the Pure Price philosophy it sets scion apart, and makes it easier on everyone by eliminating the negotiation process.

To you it may seem unfair, but there are ways around it, simply wait to purchase some accessories until you can afford them.

I couldnt agree any more ...

Like ......... duhhhhhhhh :P Order every option and you will get a 23K car. I cant help but to wonder where your head is at? Cant you do simple math? Dealers arent making a lot of money on the sales of the Scion itself, so they are gonna damn near rape ya on the aftermarket stuff. They look at you checking off all the little boxes, and go straight to the bank like this.... :D

Dont threaten, it wont get you anywhere. Your not going to get 8 grand of stuff for 5K, it aint gonna happen.

Dont threaten, it wont get you anywhere. Your not going to get 8 grand of stuff for 5K, it aint gonna happen.

You can if you do it on EBay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Doc

i agree with alicia !!!!!!!!!!!!

guys to make the process different and havepure price no haggling you know this up
front were trying to make this process alot easier.Once you start askingfor discounts hereand there, you no longerhave pure price process.The reason why there is so much
accessories is to cater to the individual person some people may not want any! You cant ask for no haggle pure price and then expect to haggle !!!!!! IF YOU WANT A GREAT DEAL GO GET A KIA :arrow: :x :x :x

yeah I mean this is a 13 grand car to start with, so adding 10 grand in options is alot, I can see doing the RS 1 for 980 and an auto tranny for 800 and then some floor mats. But if you want the TRD stuff then just get your loan for 15K and get a base xB RS1 and then all of that money that you are gonna put into for other stuff then use that. 8000 extra is about 175 a month that you can spend in parts, plus if you budget is 35 grand, then that means you have alot of money each week t spend on extras. I know that my girls and I have about 32,000 we can spend for cars but we are gonna get the RS and then ad stuff every month instead of one big bunch.

Buying any accessory from the dealer is retarded on the buyer's part.

Andrew

out the door i have a final cost in teh area of over 23. Thats trd wheels, springs, shocks, struts, muffler, aem intake, orange package, 3M bra, 6/100000 platinum warranty, door sills, floor mats, clear lights, trd steering wheel, subwoofer. [yada, yada, yada]

Isn't walking into a dealer and ordering every option like wearing a meat suit into a tiger's cage?

The salesman knows that you are into serious car-lust and there's no way that they would consider giving you any breaks.

They know that you're going to buy regardless of the cost, so any break would simply be giving money away.

George

Buying any accessory from the dealer is retarded on the buyer's part.

Andrew

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I noticed someone say that dealers must be making a ton of money on the accessories. To let you know, we really don't make ANYTHING off of the TRD and factory accessories. There's basically NO markup on the accessories, therefore giving anyone a discount would cause us, the dealer, to lose money. That's not how businesses stay afloat. Believe me, as a tuner myself, I completely sympathize with the whole getting a break for alot of accessories, but that's just not how we make money and do business. The way the Pure Price Solution works is that if we give one person a discount, we then have to do that for every future purchase in ADDITION to all our past purchases. In that case, I'd like to ask a question; if you guys could pickup any aftermarket accessory from 5Zigen, Greddy, DCSports, HKS, and companies like that from the dealership and pay regular prices, would you rather go there than to your local speed shop? In addition to being able to purchase parts at a Toyota dealership, if they were warrantied through the dealership, would you rather get them at the dealer? This is just something that me and the Scion corporate guys are throwin around. Let me know whats good.

Buying any accessory from the dealer is retarded on the buyer's part.

Andrew

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It's not truth...it's only opinion. Just because people are a little more paranoid about warranty or just have too much money to spend it doesn't mean either of you can pass judgement on them.

Like Alicia said... everything is in process with Scion. Take it or leave it. If you want a discount then go buy any other except a Scion. They give you a discount and they risk losing allocation and I highly doubt a new Scion dealership will do that. Beside they are greedy and will get every penny put of a limited edition car.

You should be lucky there wasn't a mark-up in the first place on that car like on other limtited edition cars.

I noticed someone say that dealers must be making a ton of money on the accessories. To let you know, we really don't make ANYTHING off of the TRD and factory accessories. There's basically NO markup on the accessories, therefore giving anyone a discount would cause us, the dealer, to lose money. .

make us believe by showing invoice? your post is BS.
sid

Buying any accessory from the dealer is retarded on the buyer's part.

Andrew

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It's not truth...it's only opinion. Just because people are a little more paranoid about warranty or just have too much money to spend it doesn't mean either of you can pass judgement on them.

Like Alicia said... everything is in process with Scion. Take it or leave it. If you want a discount then go buy any other except a Scion. They give you a discount and they risk losing allocation and I highly doubt a new Scion dealership will do that. Beside they are greedy and will get every penny put of a limited edition car.

You should be lucky there wasn't a mark-up in the first place on that car like on other limtited edition cars.

when i was looking for xB last Jan04, i talk to this sales at glendora Scion(can't give name) he told me no negotiation on buying the "car" itself(one price) but he can get parts and accessories discounted with his employee discount thing. so did the pure pricing applies? no.
sid

I noticed someone say that dealers must be making a ton of money on the accessories. To let you know, we really don't make ANYTHING off of the TRD and factory accessories. There's basically NO markup on the accessories,

Dude, not to be rude, but your not the only dealership out there. There are how many Scions dealers out there, and some of them ARE marking up the prices of everything they sell aftermarket. I have seen here where some dealers are charging for the stock stereo! Hows about he TRD 19s that are in all the pics of the first RS1? All Toyota dealers are selling them for more then you can find them at other places on the net. So far, the only dealer i have seen that sells the cheapest is the guy that sells on Ebay, and goes by IronToad. I have dealt with him personally, and the prices and service was great.

You may sell everything at or close to cost, but most Scion dealers do not, they try and make up their losses from the car sales by jacking up the accessories.

the problem with your costs is not in the trd parts, relativley speaking trd is not much more expensive, and may even be cheaper in some aspects than other companies out there, however you are getting jacked on things like door sill covers and "carbon fiber" appliques, that ____ aint even real. get ahold of nish and he'll sell you some REAL carbon fibe rthan makes the stock ____ look like a joke for way cheaper. my advice, dont get the bazooka it sucks and is not worth the 300+ for it, i know people that have negotiated the inifity cube for around the same price and its waaaaaaay better, sounds like a real sub. and the fims....jacked, they are made by racing hart. order some racing harts from another place and get at least 500 offand if you want the caps that say trd than order just those, they should be able to sell them to you for around 20-30 each. the one factory option i would get is the floormats, i know they are janky and dont last too long, in fact i may need a new set in a couple months but id rather pay the 120 every year than ruin the carpet. these are just my experiences and people may not agreee with them but thats their bad! haha feel free to pm with any questions or needed advice i went through all this and id be glad to help ease the trouble

brent

when i was looking for xB last Jan04, i talk to this sales at glendora Scion(can't give name) he told me no negotiation on buying the "car" itself(one price) but he can get parts and accessories discounted with his employee discount thing. so did the pure pricing applies? no.
sid

Sid you are talkin about a totally different scenario. I've worked at Longo and we did get a discount but that's called the inside track. As for the dealership not making much on the accessories, I would have to agree that it is BS.

Pure pricing is for the retail market, and is designed to maintain average profit margin so that Toyota doesn't lose their ___ on the Scion line. I've seen the invoice on the cars itself and the parts and I do have to say if Toyota doesn't sell at least a few accessories at with each Scion then they aren't going to be making money on it.

If you aren't happy with the price it then don't buy it. There's always aftermarket parts that are cheaper and better.

Shop around for the dealer add ons that you want. If you look at my profile you will see I added a rear spoiler and the new tail lights. My dealer wanted $240 for the tails and $275 for them if they installed them, they also quoted me $385 for the rear spoiler. They gave me the line about one pricing from all Scion dealers. Well I shoped around the internet and found a dealer who was offering the tails for $210 and the rear spoiler for $240. I printed these out and showed them to my local Toyota parts place and they priced match the parts, and I did not have to pay shipping. The dealer can charge a lower price for the parts as long as the price is the same for over the counter, point of sale and internet orders. The dealers just do not want you to know this. Remember knowledge is power, and saves you greenbacks in your wallet.

Deputy Dawg. 8)
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its crazy, my total came up to 23K for my RS 1.0, almost 8K in dealer options and they offer no discount, i am thinking about demanding one or not purchase. crazy that they will not negotiate..

Also I am going to add to my post about this, if you were to take one look at all the 'extras' you get on the RS1.0 already and do some simple addition you would see you are already getting a 'deal' so to speak on the extras because if they were priced out on a regualr xb they would be more then $980 so before you complain look at what you ARE getting. Realize that if we discount to you we lose our scion allocation and possibly our franchise...now honestly in your opinion is that fair? Also, i always bring this up to people who feel the need to negotiate...first of all Scion is NO NEGOTIATION and also do you negotitiate the price of groceries or clothes when you go into a store and purchase a bunch of items?? No you don't the price is what it is and thats the whole of it. I don't see the point of complaining or threatening your dealership either, because you were very easy to boast about having $30K+ to spend on a car and it seems as though you are well below that, i would be more then happy if i were you to be able to even aquire an RS1.0!

Also to the person who said we as dealers have to be making a ton of money off Scion, just so you know and i will say this as a backup for the person who already said it....we aren't making much at all. There is basically no markup in these vehicles, hence why they are priced the way they are, these aren't like Toyotas where there is room to make money...there is no money in these cars. And everything is transparent for the customers as part of our scion promise, so you can freely see where the money is and what we are charging you it's all disclosed for you.

I noticed someone say that dealers must be making a ton of money on the accessories. To let you know, we really don't make ANYTHING off of the TRD and factory accessories. There's basically NO markup on the accessories...

So far, I've seen salesmen posting that they don't make anything on the cars. and now you say that you make nothing on the acceessories.

From this, one must conclude that Scion is a charitable institution created by Toyota to get cars into the hands of Gen-Y at cost. Such a noble gesture from Toyota and those dealers and salesmen who are selling Scions, on their own time without pay!

I have no objection to a salesman and dealer making a reasonable profit, but please don't insult us by trying to claim that there is no profit involved in the transaction. The markup on vehicles is readily available to anyone who goes to Edmunds or KBB and the price differential between (for example) the "Toyota" AEM intakes and the aftermarket AEM intakes shows that there is also a large markup on dealer accessories.

George

George-
i think moreso what people and dealers are saying is that with scion its not like you are seeing any $2-3k gross profits on the cars like you may or may not see with toyotas and other makes. i've seen toyota salespeople discount cars over $1500 if we did that with scions we would be in the negetive. and regardless of whether we make a little or a lot the bottom line is the scion promise and philosophy which is no negotiations the price is what it is. Also you have to look at the fact that with scion you are able to finance things like the aem intake and spoilers and such whereas with other cars you can not do that. you would buy the car then have to come up with the money to buy things such as wheels and all for the vehicle after the purchase.

I hate myself for getting in on these threads, but I have to say that the mentality of "I can finance it for $10/month" is a bad one. Figure you're paying 1700 for wheels and tires and not getting your stealies. You'll end up paying almost 3K for wheels that you can get online for 1K.

George-
i think moreso what people and dealers are saying is that with scion its not like you are seeing any $2-3k gross profits on the cars like you may or may not see with toyotas and other makes. i've seen toyota salespeople discount cars over $1500 if we did that with scions we would be in the negetive. and regardless of whether we make a little or a lot the bottom line is the scion promise and philosophy which is no negotiations the price is what it is. Also you have to look at the fact that with scion you are able to finance things like the aem intake and spoilers and such whereas with other cars you can not do that. you would buy the car then have to come up with the money to buy things such as wheels and all for the vehicle, whereas doing it the scion way may only raise your monthly payment 6-10 dollars a month per accessory.

I agree with you as far as the car is concerned. My calcs are that the profit on an xB is about $1000, which is a reasonable amount, IMO.

Accessories are another thing entirely. The price differential between the dealer price and the aftermarket price is obvous, and doesn't include the value of the stock wheels, tires, intakes, etc that the dealer retain when they install the accessories.

Financing accessories is a slippery slope. The "just a few dollars a month" mentality has gotten many people in big financial trouble. What they don't realize, and the dealers certainly don't want them to know, is that financing accessories adds considerably to their price. Wheels and tires that are available in the aftermarket for $1500 will cost twice as much to the person who finances them through the dealer. This is certainly not a good thing for someone who is buying their first car.

George