I was just browsing the Scion tC mini brochure and noticed that they have changed the tentative availability to Fall 2005.

Sorry to disappoint, but its true :nope:

We'll all just have to spend our money on handling upgrades and custom goodies until then.

The SC has been DELAYED since the tC was first introduced. :eyebrow:

They never said it would be before fall 2005 since early this year. I was hearing sept release (possibly) back in march.

yeah, this has been posted several times now.... the release date IS sept, 2005, $3200 installed, about $2700 for just parts

yeah, this has been posted several times now.... the release date IS sept, 2005, $3200 installed, about $2700 for just parts

I thought so, but I figured I would just keep everyone who was not aware informed on the situation.

Sorry to waste space Admins :lalala:

what now its 3200 installed? not 3200 + install? god... internet msg boards are so fluctuating.. i'll wait till it comes out..

Good looking out, even if the news is a lil out dated. :P

$3200 installed with $2700 parts strikes me as less markup than usual. The people that charge you $150 to throw in a subwoofer with a prebuilt harness are going to do the whole supercharger for $500? I wouldn't make out a check for that exact number until it really comes out...

I know a GM of a Scion Dealer in LA (my Fiance used to work with him at his dealership), I saw him on Saturday, I inquired with him about the SC for the tC, he told me that they are having tuning (fuel mix) problems with it right now and it still has an unacceptable failure rate. It sounded like it is all related to the air/fuel mixture with the injection system.

He did tell me that they are still looking at the $3,000 pricing range, average for a supercharger... but it was the installed price. One other good thing that you may not know, this supercharger, as long as it is installed by Scion will be covered under your powertrain warranty, yes, that is 5 yr 60K miles... not just the 12 & 12 as customary. And it will also fall under an extended as well.

So, it may be worth the wait, no one wants their car sitting in the dealership with a grenaded motor, now do they?????

y am i not surprised?

I'm holding out buying the tC until I get the SC installed to keep the warranty in tact. I even brought up the offer to my dealer to buy the car now and get the SC when it comes out to keep the 5 yr warranty and they said no. That's fine - just lost a sale to post on their quarterly report.

Might as well wait for the '07's while I'm at it.... :(

Well, I wont judge it untill I hear solid numbers, but the last few people related to scion I spoke with say 200 BHP... if that is the case they wont sell too many of them. I would rather stick with stock than pay $3000 or more for 40 BHP. I could do that NA for less money. But, hopefully they were all mistaken, although two of them heard this at the trip to the factory in Japan. We will see I guess.

well whoever gets the TRD supercharge first needs to get it and dyno it ASAP!

I am honestly over the whole supercharger thing LOL , its like waiting for something that will never come . I aint sayin the whole idea of a supercharged motor covered by teh warrenty isnt a good thing , But come on its been how long since the SC was originally brought up ?

has anyone gotten a number on the hp its supposed to put out. All i have heard is 200hp

Don't kill the messenger but rumor from a dealer I talked to says more than likely between 210-220. I don't know, I'll take that "guestimate" with a grain of salt.

is that faster than type-s then? i think base rsx vs tc is about a drivers race.

Even if it's 2700 for parts and 3200 for parts/labor, that's 500 for labor...500/75 is over 6.5 hours of work. That's more than enough to put in a supercharger made for the car plus everything else, and they won't have to deal with rust!

Also, 200 hp even to the flywheel is enough to make this a quick car. Again, it's the torque that this car will be making that you'll like.

yeah but can the get a CARB #... otherwis the largest install of scions wont even see it...

what I don't get, and what ____es me off, is how the hell can saturn, cobalt, etc. able to get CARB no problemo with their SCers and release it and scion can't?

Buncha BS.

I was told that when I put my deposit down I was guaranteed the price of 3405.00 installed and that my dealership will eat it if it ends up more expensive to install... :clap: :bow:

we will see in september.... :tap:

what I don't get, and what ____es me off, is how the hell can saturn, cobalt, etc. able to get CARB no problemo with their SCers and release it and scion can't?

Buncha BS. its because we are trying to push an already fairly tuned engine... toyota had to add a "3 part cat system" (thats from my 06 owners manual btw) to get it 50 state legal. im having a tough time diciding what i want to do to my car cause i can get any thing here in GA, but im moving to cali in 17 months so i want my car to be street legal there... so it looks like no headers for me... :-( ... unless i do a swap when i get poped for an emmisions test... but that seems like too much work for 10 hp, and less low end tq.

I was told that when I put my deposit down I was guaranteed the price of 3405.00 installed and that my dealership will eat it if it ends up more expensive to install... :clap: :bow:

we will see in september.... :tap: just be sure to get that in writing...

somebody i know went up to the dub show in philly over the weekend and they said theyhad the scion tc with supercharger installed.they also brought a brochure home and showed me in detail of wahat the actual figures are for the scion tc. i will post info when i get home of the numbers scion is giving right now.

according to my neigbor he said they had a demo car with supercharger installed running up there for people to see.I think he might be either lying or mistaking because im not really sure if hes really into cars.

somebody i know went up to the dub show in philly over the weekend and they said theyhad the scion tc with supercharger installed.they also brought a brochure home and showed me in detail of wahat the actual figures are for the scion tc. i will post info when i get home of the numbers scion is giving right now.

according to my neigbor he said they had a demo car with supercharger installed running up there for people to see.I think he might be either lying or mistaking because im not really sure if hes really into cars.BLASPHMER!!!!!

please tell me you are lying right now and get this dirty rumor over with. otherwise i can only imagine all the noob threads...

Damn this trd Stuff Can we just get blitz to make us one like the xA / xB ? LOL

what I don't get, and what ____es me off, is how the hell can saturn, cobalt, etc. able to get CARB no problemo with their SCers and release it and scion can't?

Buncha BS. its because we are trying to push an already fairly tuned engine... toyota had to add a "3 part cat system" (thats from my 06 owners manual btw) to get it 50 state legal. im having a tough time diciding what i want to do to my car cause i can get any thing here in GA, but im moving to cali in 17 months so i want my car to be street legal there... so it looks like no headers for me... :-( ... unless i do a swap when i get poped for an emmisions test... but that seems like too much work for 10 hp, and less low end tq.

what are you talking about? :eyebrow: That isn't an answer. I have heard of 1000hp conversions for caveliers and sunfires!



I was told that when I put my deposit down I was guaranteed the price of 3405.00 installed and that my dealership will eat it if it ends up more expensive to install... :clap: :bow:

we will see in september.... :tap:

just be sure to get that in writing...

The scion manager would know I would royally kick in his head if he screwed me. That is better then in writing.

anyway he is a friend and he wouldn't fook me around. :wink:

I just opened the magazine they had it was an old winter/spring 05 it its basically talked about the supercharger and how revolutionary it was so that part rules out that IMO. as far as ahaving the TC with a supercharger there has to be confirmed at another time but according to my neighbor he said it was the same color car as mine which is IIP and it appear to him it was a supercharger because of the sound that was pulsing from the engine but he said it might have been turbo.

I wish i was there because i would have taken a bunch of pics and posted for all to see.

I think the super charger for our TC is oiled coiled am i correct???? I need more specs on the mysterious supercharger !!!!!

At this point i'm leaning towards a T/C. I'm going to wait a few years and see what new T/C's come out and wait for the bugs in the current ones to be worked out.

Im actually considering the TRD SC now. But it better be 200whp

then your gonna have to change your name to ScMe. :wink: better hurry! :D

haha! I mean I love turbos. But they wont be able to pass smog. So 4 years from now I have to take it off and every 2 after that? Thats just anit cool! Plus TRD SC is under warrantee.

edit: anyone know if scion will provide a boost gauge? if so that would be SICK!

I was told that there isn't a boost gauge in the supercharger kit, but that one could be added. TRD makes one for example, but really any would work. I personally wouldn't mind finding an aftermarket one that had an LED bargraph instead of a needle.

at this rate... I'd rather wait for the Turbonetics and let the dealer install under warranty.

at this rate... I'd rather wait for the Turbonetics and let the dealer install under warranty.

have u actually talked to a dealer about this? I highly doubt a dealer would keep your car under warrantee

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anyway^^^^^^turbonetics turbo kit will not be covered under your warranty.

and yes..there was a TC at the SEMA show in Atlantic City with the TRD supercharger in it. Definitely a prototype, but I could have swore that I saw it.

I'll be on my second tc or moved on at the rate TRD is putting out parts. =P

Rolling 15k miles within a week. Would be cool to get a Turbo or SC before I sell the car in a couple years.

We have covered the warranty thing. Your warranty WILL NOT be voided no matter what you put on the car unless it causes the issue you are trying to warranty. Toyota will not, however warranty the part itself unless they sold it and installed it. They arent stupid, which warrantying someone elses parts would be.

We have covered the warranty thing. Your warranty WILL NOT be voided no matter what you put on the car unless it causes the issue you are trying to warranty. Toyota will not, however warranty the part itself unless they sold it and installed it. They arent stupid, which warrantying someone elses parts would be.

Well put :bow:

all i gotta say if u go the turbo route, you play, you pay. dont go _____inng when something goes wrong adn try to get it covered under warrantee.

I think that if I wanted a supercharged four-banger, I'd buy a Chevy Cobalt SS. $21k (employee discount price around $19k) and you get leather seats, seven-speaker stereo (including subwoofer), 205hp/200lb-ft, leather-wrapped steering wheel w/ audio controls, and 18-inch wheels. Motor Trend even rated it as more fun to drive than a Dodge SRT-4. Not necessarily the best looks ever, but I could take off that wing...

we are being told September 2005 for sure. I guess they have cleared up the air/fuel problem and are doing final testings. stay in tune kids...

we are being told September 2005 for sure. I guess they have cleared up the air/fuel problem and are doing final testings. stay in tune kids...

Heard it before.

it might be delayed forever

i am usually not a look on the bright side kind of person but you gotta take piece of mind knowing how long they have been testing and researching...hopefully it will be "bulletproof"

i just got off the phone with a parts guy from toyota and i wont mention his name but a dealership in the East coast area (hint :bought hotchkins spring kit for cheap) and he said his dealership is supposed to get the SC in next or the week after. he said he spoke with the a VP earlier this this past thursday and he reassured him its a done deal!!!! :pray: :pray: :pray: .. the parts guy was extremely excited to tell me everything because i bought a couple of parts from him in the past month and we are pretty much on a first name basis.

according to him and its supposed to include AEM intake with a blowoff as a part of the package (according to him it will be finalized this coming monday) but he also stated that toyota might have something else that secret about this aem intake. the VP stated that he will "leave it up to your imagination" while he was talking with the parts guy/manager !! i know most of us thought it would be september at the earliest but he's saying toyota wants to get it out fast!! he even has a part number and the final specs! he said he couldnt tell me the actual specs until he has it in stock!i dont know why suspicious though!! :silly: an oath of silence perhaps i asked and he brushed me off that subject so I drew my conclusion right there that it would be in the range of 200 to 220...either end of the spectrum is cool with me

one last thing i found out according to this parts guy i know who is extremely reliable especially with parts/price/honesty/news a survey was sent to scion delaerships addressed to manager/sales/parts personel out a couple of weeks ago asking for feedback on the projected price of $3200 parts+install and all our scion dealerships asked for a lower price range between $1800-$2700..so cross your fingers for a cheaper price...

you know im gonna check back next week a give everyone the scoop and who knows it maybe be there and the mysterious SC will be shown in a glorious format for the world to inhale our exhaust..


One of two last thing i forgot to tell was the supercharger has been done for several weeks now and whats holding it up wasnt whether it was reliable its because toyota was trying to make it pass californias emisions (damn you california making us all suffer and wait) and according to him its only been certified to pass emissions for the 06 tc but it can still fit an 05 tc but it hasnt been certifed as of yet because of the cai which is the reason why AEM cai is being bundled up for those of you wondering or dont know.

The other hold up is toyota was looking for a proper finish and engine dressup kit to compliment the SC.. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: ..He also stated that he had personally driven one of the four FINAL prototypes SC'ed TC's and all he could say was "I hope you got your money saved up and give me a call next week for a quote....sounds like confidence to me but i hate to get my hopes up and its not there :doh:

i know this is alot of info to digest and your wondering why i didnt post this earlier today but you got to understand that i was stuck in a meeting all day and didnt get a chance to type in before the meeting

WARNING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS MAY OR MAYNOT BE TRUE.
BELIEVE AT YOUR OWN FREE WILL !!DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER SHOOT THE VP+ PARTS GUY+TOYOTA FOR ALL THE SPECULATION

all i gotta say if u go the turbo route, you play, you pay. dont go _____inng when something goes wrong adn try to get it covered under warrantee.

That true. I personally wouldnt _____ to them about stuff I installed. But I know there are those that will. But when you start adding performance, you have to keep in mind that you are eventually going to break something if you keep going with it. Thats just part of doing it :P


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They changed b!tch to biscuit???? :rofl:

OMG!!!! i got a big chubby after your post!!!!!! i know it may or not be tru, but if it is....woow

alright .. alright... cant read anymore... GOD this hobby is addicting

What I'm wondering is that, since we're talking about only 40 horsepower for $3K+, if a pulley change/blow off valve change or something won't allow for more power. I've not read much about it and don't know if it isa roots type blower or centrifugal...but there has to be something that can be done to make significantly more power than what they are offering it with out of the box.

wowowow! i hope its true that it will be out that soon!

although im not gonna hold my breath, it would be quite nice.

Nevermind that a supercharger has no use for a blow-off.....

i dont really know anything about superchargers, but i've owned turbo cars for several years. and if it acts anything like a turbo, it needs something or some way to expell the built up pressure when the throttle is closed, right?

it needs to blow off the extra air it creates when the RPMs go down, so it doesn't bounce, for lack of a better term, off the butterfly of the throttle body and go back into the compressor(compressor surge). a positive displacement blower (roots and twin-screw) doesn't need to, as the supercharger feeds air directly into the intake. why would vortech and other major companies package their kits w/them?

i guess most people haven't dealt with trd in the past. it we are lucky we will see the s/c in 2007. scion did promise the s/c to be done when with the tC was released which of course would never happen and then didn't. i am already beating that the tC will run out the model year and not have a s/c released by trd

can u add a BOV to a SC?

to a centrifugal, yes. to a positive displacement, no.

http://servinitup.com/videos/240z.mpeg <240z w/blown lt1

how come it sounds like something is loose?

that's blower whine man...and it sounds good.

I went to scion.com and noticed that, under the TC accessories, the supercharger kit isn't listed. Could have sworn it was about a month ago.

I looked at some pictures of the supercharger and can't tell anything about it other than it looks like a centrifugal one. I'm pretty sure with Mustang centrifugal superchargers pulley changes net boost and horsepower. I was wondering if this would be similar...but perhaps not covered by factory warranty.

the "pish" noise isn't blower whine watch the video from 33 to 36. I know about forced induction and how it sounds. a pulley change will affect boost, that's the way you increase/decrease boost on blown motors, it changes the ratio so that the blower spins faster at whatever RPM than the motor.

i just got off the phone with a parts guy from toyota and i wont mention his name but a dealership in the East coast area (hint :bought hotchkins spring kit for cheap) and he said his dealership is supposed to get the SC in next or the week after. he said he spoke with the a VP earlier this this past thursday and he reassured him its a done deal!!!! :pray: :pray: :pray: .. the parts guy was extremely excited to tell me everything because i bought a couple of parts from him in the past month and we are pretty much on a first name basis.

according to him and its supposed to include AEM intake with a blowoff as a part of the package (according to him it will be finalized this coming monday) but he also stated that toyota might have something else that secret about this aem intake. the VP stated that he will "leave it up to your imagination" while he was talking with the parts guy/manager !! i know most of us thought it would be september at the earliest but he's saying toyota wants to get it out fast!! he even has a part number and the final specs! he said he couldnt tell me the actual specs until he has it in stock!i dont know why suspicious though!! :silly: an oath of silence perhaps i asked and he brushed me off that subject so I drew my conclusion right there that it would be in the range of 200 to 220...either end of the spectrum is cool with me

one last thing i found out according to this parts guy i know who is extremely reliable especially with parts/price/honesty/news a survey was sent to scion delaerships addressed to manager/sales/parts personel out a couple of weeks ago asking for feedback on the projected price of $3200 parts+install and all our scion dealerships asked for a lower price range between $1800-$2700..so cross your fingers for a cheaper price...

you know im gonna check back next week a give everyone the scoop and who knows it maybe be there and the mysterious SC will be shown in a glorious format for the world to inhale our exhaust..


One of two last thing i forgot to tell was the supercharger has been done for several weeks now and whats holding it up wasnt whether it was reliable its because toyota was trying to make it pass californias emisions (damn you california making us all suffer and wait) and according to him its only been certified to pass emissions for the 06 tc but it can still fit an 05 tc but it hasnt been certifed as of yet because of the cai which is the reason why AEM cai is being bundled up for those of you wondering or dont know.

The other hold up is toyota was looking for a proper finish and engine dressup kit to compliment the SC.. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: ..He also stated that he had personally driven one of the four FINAL prototypes SC'ed TC's and all he could say was "I hope you got your money saved up and give me a call next week for a quote....sounds like confidence to me but i hate to get my hopes up and its not there :doh:

i know this is alot of info to digest and your wondering why i didnt post this earlier today but you got to understand that i was stuck in a meeting all day and didnt get a chance to type in before the meeting

:yawn: anyone get the idea that this guys just talking outta his ___ by now?

everyone has been since the idea of a supercharger came up.

the only people that won't be are the ones at the dealerships and parts stores that sell them once they're finally in stock

the "pish" noise isn't blower whine watch the video from 33 to 36. I know about forced induction and how it sounds. a pulley change will affect boost, that's the way you increase/decrease boost on blown motors, it changes the ratio so that the blower spins faster at whatever RPM than the motor.

The guy asked why something "sounded loose." He didn't say "what is that pish sound." A "pish" soound doesn't sound like something is loose. A squeaky whine might...

oh, I thought u were responding to my post.

i just got off the phone with a parts guy from toyota and i wont mention his name but a dealership in the East coast area (hint :bought hotchkins spring kit for cheap) and he said his dealership is supposed to get the SC in next or the week after. he said he spoke with the a VP earlier this this past thursday and he reassured him its a done deal!!!! :pray: :pray: :pray: .. the parts guy was extremely excited to tell me everything because i bought a couple of parts from him in the past month and we are pretty much on a first name basis.

according to him and its supposed to include AEM intake with a blowoff as a part of the package (according to him it will be finalized this coming monday) but he also stated that toyota might have something else that secret about this aem intake. the VP stated that he will "leave it up to your imagination" while he was talking with the parts guy/manager !! i know most of us thought it would be september at the earliest but he's saying toyota wants to get it out fast!! he even has a part number and the final specs! he said he couldnt tell me the actual specs until he has it in stock!i dont know why suspicious though!! :silly: an oath of silence perhaps i asked and he brushed me off that subject so I drew my conclusion right there that it would be in the range of 200 to 220...either end of the spectrum is cool with me

one last thing i found out according to this parts guy i know who is extremely reliable especially with parts/price/honesty/news a survey was sent to scion delaerships addressed to manager/sales/parts personel out a couple of weeks ago asking for feedback on the projected price of $3200 parts+install and all our scion dealerships asked for a lower price range between $1800-$2700..so cross your fingers for a cheaper price...

you know im gonna check back next week a give everyone the scoop and who knows it maybe be there and the mysterious SC will be shown in a glorious format for the world to inhale our exhaust..


One of two last thing i forgot to tell was the supercharger has been done for several weeks now and whats holding it up wasnt whether it was reliable its because toyota was trying to make it pass californias emisions (damn you california making us all suffer and wait) and according to him its only been certified to pass emissions for the 06 tc but it can still fit an 05 tc but it hasnt been certifed as of yet because of the cai which is the reason why AEM cai is being bundled up for those of you wondering or dont know.

The other hold up is toyota was looking for a proper finish and engine dressup kit to compliment the SC.. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: ..He also stated that he had personally driven one of the four FINAL prototypes SC'ed TC's and all he could say was "I hope you got your money saved up and give me a call next week for a quote....sounds like confidence to me but i hate to get my hopes up and its not there :doh:

i know this is alot of info to digest and your wondering why i didnt post this earlier today but you got to understand that i was stuck in a meeting all day and didnt get a chance to type in before the meeting

:yawn: anyone get the idea that this guys just talking outta his butt by now?

your an azz for that :gun: . just relaying what was given to me by a dealer/parts guy damn .. if it its wrong then im give his name up you can tell him what you think of him... if that will satisfy the hater in you :loser:
do yourself a favor and bring something constructive to the table.

Any new info?

Part No. PTR01-21060-90Manufacturer Code TYDescription TRD TC SUPR CHR MAINSource 04Dealer Price $2,750.00
Class Code AWholesale Price $2,900.00
Accessory Code YRetail Price $3,200.00GT
Code Core Value $0.00
Part Substitution Flag OI & S Code[/img]

So can you order it now?

hehe I already did. (read first article)

http://www.madsciontists.com/index.php

congrats MOTOZEN!!! any idea when you'll have it up and running? (on the dyno of course!)

so is that official price for the install $205?+$3200 for the supercharger =3405 installed ? Any word on official HP it'll produce ?

lets just hope that something super official comes out/ that guy actually gets the supercharger within the next week or so... but it is very exciting

Hmm well that looks somewhat promising...

If that's true, then it figures that the damn thing would be released shortly after I got my tC, killing my chance by just a small margin to finance it into the total price- lol.

Oh well, I won't worry about it until I see it on someone's car, dyno'ed...

Choas... you should be able to finance it! i bought my TC in july.. the 5th to be exact. and the dealer added the supercharger and just told me that he'd install it when they got it. if i am not mistaken i am first in line to get this installed from my dealer. i will post as soon as i get supercharged... anyone from the dc metro area know of any shops that work a lot with tc's??? i'm looking for a shop to dyno the car as soon as it's supercharged. (perhaps a discount will be awarded???? hehehe :) )

i just spoke to my dealer yesterday and he said it looks like the first week of september.... i'd like to get it sooner...but he said he'd be in touch... i will keep everyone posted.

bump... any news from the dealers???