Official ZPI discussion thread [Archive]

matty-tC

07-19-2005, 09:58 PM

ScionDad

07-19-2005, 10:43 PM

Wow, Matty, didn't know you were the ZPI police. I've now seen you go at people on here for just about everything. You will NOT tell me or anyone else to be silent while a vendor is not doing what they said they would. That is the purpose of this forum and you seem more along the lines of just to stir up crap.

Do you have a ZPI turbo on order? If so, then shut up and wait for your kit like a good boy.

If not, then quit deep throating them and acting like you have anything to do with this you little wannabe. Buy some more stickers for your car. :loser:

How is that for a hissy fit you butt munch! :rofl:

Oh yea, if you really think they would ship out the turbos for nothing, you're smoking something you shouldn't.

I'm not telling you to be silent but quit whining like a little girl ESPECIALLY IN THE WRONG FORUM.

I've been trying to help people realize how to use these forums by recommending searching on the "AEM or INJEN?" type threads and keep vendor related stuff in this forum not the power forum. Call me a nazi but there are rules to these forums and it would help if people would follow them,

I don't have a ZPI turbo kit and wouldn't purchase one from them if I were going to be FI later in my car's life. But I don't like a business getting slammed for something that is completely understandable and the customers knew could happen in the first place. They're going WAY overbaord offering you guys $100/week because of the delay. I've never seen that before I don't know about you.

As far as the name calling, that's cute. Once again proving just exactly how mature you are. Exactly what I would expect from somebody whining about the hole they dug for themselves.

Mods: thank you for moving the thread.

I'm a reserved man, but you pushed it over. You see Matty, This conversation had nothing to do with you. No one asked your opinion nor wanted it. You jumped in, having no money on the table at all and pound fellow forum members wanting answers. You're not a mod Matty. You're just some kid with too much time on his hands. You want forum etiquet Matty, since YOU have nothing at stake, unless someone ASKS you for your opinion....STFU and stay out of it. ZPI can answer on their own. In fact, it's you that has caused the flaming.

You don't like companies getting slammed for not providing the product that was paid for by your fellow forum members Matty? You said we all KNEW what we were getting into. This is worse case......... I didn't pay to have it in August. Not in July either. I paid for JUNE. What month is it Matty? Now Matty, think real hard what an a$$ clown you would be if, god forbid, everyone got ripped off. What's the charge back time frame for a CC Matty? You're a child Matty. When you grow up, you too will have the experience to see the forest thru the trees.

The crying Matty is from you. If you don't like a thread, don't open it. BFD if your "teaching" the world how to search. noobs will do it ANYWAY. Did you just get access to the web?

No, I've NEVER seen a company do that before. Think REAL HARD Matty why you never have either. Do you think Matty that NOW, they might REALLY have to put out a turbo that is NOT ready in order to stop the $100 charge backs. DO you think they would just ship 30 or so out free of charge if something happened like Scionspeeds delay? There are no free lunches.

As for me in a hole...nope I can't say that...it's to easy. :rofl:

In the future, just let ZPI do their own talking and you stick to the search functions.

matty-tC

07-20-2005, 01:37 AM

I'm a reserved man, but you pushed it over. You see Matty, This conversation had nothing to do with you. No one asked your opinion nor wanted it. You jumped in, having no money on the table at all and pound fellow forum members wanting answers. You're not a mod Matty. You're just some kid with too much time on his hands. You want forum etiquet Matty, since YOU have nothing at stake, unless someone ASKS you for your opinion....STFU and stay out of it. ZPI can answer on their own. In fact, it's you that has caused the flaming.

I'm a 3rd party. I'm not someone with money involved so I can be onjective. You're spewing stuff off at the mouth because you're ____ed off your kit hasn't come yet (which you knew could happen). You can call me a kid and I never claimed to be a mod but I do have something at stake. I spent $20k on a car and would like to have an aftermarket for it. With people attacking companies without reason, it scares off aftermarket support. Why would someone want to risk making a business for a platform when they get crucified everytime they fart and don't excuse themselves?

You don't like companies getting slammed for not providing the product that was paid for by your fellow forum members Matty? You said we all KNEW what we were getting into. This is worse case......... I didn't pay to have it in August. Not in July either. I paid for JUNE. What month is it Matty? Now Matty, think real hard what an a$$ clown you would be if, god forbid, everyone got ripped off. What's the charge back time frame for a CC Matty? You're a child Matty. When you grow up, you too will have the experience to see the forest thru the trees.

I understand that you should throw a fit and sue them to death IF THEY DONT COME THROUGH WITH THEIR PROMISE! Right now they're in the period where they offer $100/week for every week they're late. YOU AGREED TO THESE TERMS! It flabbergasts me to think that you're angry because what you knew could happen, is happening! This is what I don't understand.

If you don't ever get your kit, throw a fit. I will be right there with you saying they F'd over a lot of people. But you're a little premature aren't you?

The crying Matty is from you. If you don't like a thread, don't open it. BFD if your "teaching" the world how to search. noobs will do it ANYWAY. Did you just get access to the web?

Again more immaturity from your end. Congratulations.

No, I've NEVER seen a company do that before. Think REAL HARD Matty why you never have either. Do you think Matty that NOW, they might REALLY have to put out a turbo that is NOT ready in order to stop the $100 charge backs. DO you think they would just ship 30 or so out free of charge if something happened like Scionspeeds delay? There are no free lunches.

If you entered a contract with them under certain terms, and they are following those terms, you have no grounds to do anything.

As for me in a hole...nope I can't say that...it's to easy. :rofl:

In the future, just let ZPI do their own talking and you stick to the search functions.

I'm done. If you're too dumb to figure out what my point is, I don't think I can reword it any other way. I'll say it as plain as I can:

1) the customers entered the purchase knowing that if they're late they get $100/week back

2) nobody has lost their money and didn't get a turbo kit (as per the terms of the agreement)

3) throwing a fit now is only going to do harm to the aftermarket support of the tC platform

4) if they end up screwing you over, charge back the money on your credit card, sue them, throw fits, start threads, drive to their shop and demand the money, do whatever you want to get your money back.

turbo2liter

07-20-2005, 02:16 AM

Since it's an LLC, you can only sue the company. It is very easy to dissolve a corporation to it's shareholders/owners, and leave the company with all the liability and the owners with all the money.

I am no longer taking any stance with ZPI, I hope you all get your parts and someone makes enough power to pull on me :)

Also remember chargebacks can only happen for 90 days with most credit card companies.

matty-tC

07-20-2005, 02:25 AM

2 months left on CC chargebacks..

Marshall

07-20-2005, 03:38 AM

Ummmm... any chance that those inlet pipes will arive by next week?

matty-tC

07-20-2005, 01:25 PM

They claim they should be here Friday. Cross your fingers.

Premier

07-20-2005, 03:50 PM

Though I did not pre-order a ZPI Kit and do not directly feel these "feelings" everyone is having towards them, I will speak from my perspective and say that the situation is being overly dramatized when simply patience would be best. ____ happens. From everything I've read I am led to believe these guys are working in everyones best interest and the discussions and hyping of fraud are unfounded.

Could they have done a better job? I suppose, though it seems kind of obvious they truly believed everything was going to be done if they offered $100 a week for delays.

In fact, I envy you guys. $2400 for pre-order plus reimbursement for delays? Damn, I'd be praying they take even longer if I was a preorder customer. End up getting a kit for free lol. You all have it good. Stop crying, it's a performance part for a car. Live your life.

Marshall

07-20-2005, 04:44 PM

Hey, I was wondering if a front strut bar would still fit with the turbo piping.
I know there would prob be a fitment issue with the DC one since its thicker, but I wonder if the Hotchkis one would fit.

matty-tC

07-20-2005, 05:06 PM

you'd have bettter luck calling ZPI than getting a response in this thread

Marshall

07-20-2005, 09:07 PM

I Instant Messaged 'thescionstore' and they immediatly went out and measured for me...

:clap: They came back and stated that a DC Strut Bar would fit fine.

matty-tC

07-20-2005, 11:20 PM

nice. that works too :)

ZPIracing

07-20-2005, 11:50 PM

we have found that AIM is a great tool for us to communicate with the large number of customers that we have.

thescionstore
kennystrickler

Please feel free to IM us anytime during business hours and you should get a speedy response, it allows us communicate with multiple customers at once much more efficent than phone lines on hold

PoizentC

07-21-2005, 02:50 AM

Talked to them on aim and on the phone. Very helpful and speedy response. Thanks!

matty-tC

07-24-2005, 02:51 PM

please keep this on topic.

if anyone from ZPI is reading, did you receive the pipes this past Friday to ship the kits out?

ZPIracing

07-24-2005, 11:03 PM

We have recieved the MAF plates, we are still waiting on the pipes. We are looking good for the first part of next week at this point it is really just a waiting game

Lyracon

07-29-2005, 01:41 AM

First and foremost I would just like to state that everything that I post on this thread is from my very own personnal experience with ZPI they are not heresay but actual events which have transpired since I started dealing with ZPI.

When we were first told that the turbo kits that we preordered were going to ship out July 5th 2005 I was excited and I had my wife call ZPI on the 13th of June and order their Stage 1 turbo kit. On the 30th of June I had to cancel out of the preorder due to unforseen events. My wife was told that no problem that you would recieve the refund in 3-5 business days.(At which time there was no mention of a 20% restocking fee on or prior to when the order was placed.). On the 8th of July I noticed that the money was still not accredited to my visa so my wife decided to call ZPI. She was told that they did not process the request for the refund until the 5th of July due to the fact that they get charged by their processing company. (I understand that part and still no mention of a 20% restocking fee). At around the 14th of July my visa was still not accredited. At that point we asked them to call their credit card processing company and they mentioned something that they were unable to process so many refunds at the same time that they had some limit to the amount of money they can refund. (at this point I was rather fustrated but I still understood that there are limits to everything). Well 28th of July I finally get a partial refund and my wife called to see when we were going to get the rest of our money. She called and was told by an employee that there was a restocking fee of 20% that was deducted.

Here is where the problem comes in. Why in the world would there be a restocking fee on an item that has not been shipped yet? Probably the most annoying question of them all would be why when we ordered the kit no one mentioned anything of a 20% restocking fee should we cancel our order? Then finally for the last 3-4 weeks of constantly calling ZPI about our refund were we not even told of this fee? I hate to say it but not even scionspeed charged me a restocking fee for when I canceled my preorder with them. Seems rather unreal to be charged a restocking fee for an item that hasnt shipped out yet. Had I known this I would have just kept the kit and make back that restocking fee for every week they failed to ship the kits out. At this point fustration over this matter has reached its peak and now am looking into possible legal action.

Again what I am posting is not heresay but actual events which have happened to me.

Munch

07-29-2005, 02:32 AM

matty-tC

07-29-2005, 03:13 AM

restocking a nonexisting kit LOL

Marshall

07-29-2005, 04:20 PM

that just not right...

bodjie

07-29-2005, 09:06 PM

You should have just filed a chargeback to the credit card company for non-shipment and let them deal with ZPI. Sorry about the 20% loss, that ain't right to charge you for a restocking fee. For all you know, it might not even be in stock yet so what is to re-stock?

ZPIracing

07-29-2005, 09:12 PM

We do not charge a restock fee we do however charge a cancellation fee. We pay 3% plus fees to a CC company when we receive money and the same when we refund it. So on a $3,000 turbo kit that we refund we lose about 300 dollars. Plus we order the core parts wastegate and BOV to order in your specific color. We have been waiving a lot of these fees on the Scion orders due to the wait. Your case did not justify a waiver.

You cancelled your order 10 days after ordering it. This is why the fees were not waived in your case. We processed your refund on July 5th. A refund will not post to your account immediately as a charge does not show up on our account immediately. We batch out our account once a week. It then goes to our processing company that handles it. Once we batch out it is out of our hands we have no control. We where honest with you the whole time, we told you what we where told. We talked to you everyday when you repetitively called, we are sorry that we did not have an answer for you we told you all that we knew.

We have been brutally honest with the Scion market and the Scion Life web forum. We feel that our customer service is second to none. Unfortunately it is only the few unhappy customers that make it to the net, not the hundreds of happy ones. We followed company procedure in this case and apologize for any miscommunication that may have occurred.

Thanks

-zpi

Lyracon

07-29-2005, 10:14 PM

Ok lets suppose there isn't a 20% restocking fee and I was only charged the 3% plus fees that you get charged by your CC company. I paid 3,604 for the preorder and recieved only 2,883 back? 20% for a cancellation fee is very steep compared to the 3% plus fees that you had to pay for the refund. I lost out 720.80 from the refund. Just because I cancelled my order within 10 days I get nailed with a 20% cancellation fee which I might add is not even on your websites(thescionstore, or zeropointindustries) as of July 29th 2005 1620 MDT,in any form of writing or picture. Not a single person told my wife or me when I talked to you that there was going to be a 20% cancellation/restocking or whatever fee because had I known that I would have surely kept the kit and waited for you to pay me back 100 bucks a week as you had promised your customers for each week you were delayed on the shipment of turbo kits.

wowguytc

07-29-2005, 10:19 PM

so how are those pipes coming along??? oh and as today is the 29...i was wondering what is our refund at so far?? 300 or 400? like when the 5th came and went was that the first 100? i was just counting everyday tuesday that we have went through and this like 400 bucks?? am i confused or correct?........i know this sounds confusing so a simple answer will do and an update on those pipes would be nice

thanks zpi

matty-tC

07-29-2005, 10:21 PM

lyracon and zpi you guys may be better off directly communicating instead of using the forums.

ZPIracing

07-29-2005, 10:38 PM

As of the 26th the first batch customers will recieve a 300 dollar discount.

We always welcome and encourage our customers to contact us directly with any questions that you may have regarding this or any matter.

We are still waiting on the pipe they were shipped out ot us yesterday. So we are hoping for mid next week. We recieved the MAF flanges last Friday. We will need a day to get these welded up and then they are gone.

matty-tC

07-30-2005, 04:33 AM

so they should be leaving your shop by next friday?

bodjie

08-01-2005, 05:00 PM

Let's keep our fingers crossed. I hope they get the right pipes or their welding equipment do not break. :pray:

wowguytc

08-01-2005, 11:40 PM

Munch

08-02-2005, 12:06 AM

im not getting my hopes up....nothing against zpi but if there was no such thing as bad luck, id have no luck at all.....i really need my soon or will be forced to cancel because i go bakc to school on the 17th of august and need it installed by then....not shipped...please!!!
I think if you cancelled then you lose not them. They will charge you a resocking fee for something that is not even in stock :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ZPIracing

08-02-2005, 02:07 AM

yes we are not making any official dates as we do not want to put our foot in our mouth.

but things are looking good.

Thanks

-ZPI

Marshall

08-02-2005, 09:02 PM

A lady from ZPI called me today to gather my Shirt Size information for the pre-order turbo care packages.

Oh oh oh oh... the excitement! ::edit:: of the Turbo arriving soon. http://65.42.106.152/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif

ScionDad

08-03-2005, 01:43 AM

A lady from ZPI called me today to gather my Shirt Size information for the pre-order turbo care packages.

Oh oh oh oh... the excitement! http://65.42.106.152/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif

It would be really cool to get the shirt WITH the turbo. :shock: :pray:

matty-tC

08-03-2005, 02:17 AM

LOL

you guys are excited about a shirt

Munch

08-03-2005, 02:23 AM

LOL

you guys are excited about a shirt
Nope :tap: :tap:

ScionDad

08-03-2005, 03:51 AM

LOL

you guys are excited about a shirt

I believe a shirt WITH the turbo was stated by me. :lalala: :rofl:

Regulator

08-03-2005, 04:15 AM

ScionDad

08-03-2005, 04:34 AM

bodjie

08-03-2005, 05:21 AM

^^^I don't think so ScionDad. From how I read his posts lately, my take is he might be turning into the other side of the force.

Marshall

08-03-2005, 12:44 PM

I believe the first batch consisted of 5-7 kits. After the discounts ZPI is basically selling these at what it cost to make them at this time.
When your trying establishing your company as a reputable entity after what the owner has been through, it's a smart strategy. Once the kits show their reliablity, and ZPI upholds their promise after their setbacks. These kits will be flying off the shelves faster than you can say, "I'm coocoo for cocoa puffs". :rofl:

ScionDad

08-03-2005, 10:50 PM

Any word if the pipes showed up today :nails:

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 12:47 AM

yes we are not making any official dates as we do not want to put our foot in our mouth.

but things are looking good.

Thanks

-ZPI

A little late on that one chief, you're already a month behind. At this rate you won't be making much money on your kits since you owe your customers thousands of dollars in refunds for STILL not shipping past the deadline. I'm not totally sure on the final number of first batch pre-orders, but you do the math. Which means to try and turn profit their quality will probably suffer. Oh wait it appears to be crap to begin with.

LOL

you again!

thanks for defending us "young impressionable" scion owners but seriously.. GET THE F OUT! I almost want to buy 10 ZPI kits just to make sure they make money and ____ you off. You're such an idiot.

First, they're following the rules of the deal they setup for all of their customers with the preorder. They've stated even if they lose money they're going to get the kits to people. They're doing this to build their reputation with the product's quality.

Second, I have only seen 1 person ask for a refund so I'm not sure what you're talking about for them owning thousands of dollars in refunds.

Third, you're right, you don't have any idea on the number of pre-orders, or much else for that matter. Your mouth is too open for your ears to hear.

Fourth, how the hell can you make a comment about their quality when you JUST STATED THEY DIDN'T SHIP ANYTHING YET!?

You should just go DIAF.

Freakin idiot!!! -napoleon

ScionDad

08-04-2005, 03:00 AM

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 12:36 PM

LOL

Hey man I can admit when I'm wrong and will be the first to apologize when logic and reason are against me, but this fool just doesn't get it!

Regulator

08-04-2005, 12:56 PM

turbo2liter

08-04-2005, 04:18 PM

The tales on the local boards is that ZPI has near 50 turbo kit orders, and 20-25 of them are in the first "batch."

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 05:03 PM

So they haven't sent out any S-pipes that just don't fit whatsoever? Ok you're right, everyone who had those are just making it up. Quality is top notch.

They owe thousands in that they said they would pay $100 to each customer for every week past the deadline, correct? 5-7 pre-order kits x $500 = $2500-$3000 in "rebates" or "refunds" or whatever else you want to call it.

If they are supposed to be building a good reputation, wouldn't it be a good idea to keep good on deadlines? I guess waving money back in the faces of people waiting, and waiting....and waiting, makes it all better.

how many didn't fit? the blame is on the alphawerks header being installed without the brackets (or so claimed). how many have fit? do you know that? do you know who does their bending?

i believe they quoted $300 per kit but who knows. either way thats just a few hundred bucks per person not thousands upon thousands. and 7 x $500 isn't $3000 it's $3500 :wink:

They're following the rules of the preorders. like i've said a million times. people should know they're ordering things that don't exist yet and delays do happen.

and since they agreed to waiting and having money waived in their face, it either does make it better or should because thats what they agreed to.

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 05:03 PM

The tales on the local boards is that ZPI has near 50 turbo kit orders, and 20-25 of them are in the first "batch."

all of those are setup under the same preorder deal? and who said the "tales"?

turbo2liter

08-04-2005, 06:45 PM

turbo2liter

08-04-2005, 06:45 PM

The tales on the local boards is that ZPI has near 50 turbo kit orders, and 20-25 of them are in the first "batch."

all of those are setup under the same preorder deal? and who said the "tales"?

ZPI did, read the local boards.

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 09:12 PM

If the Alphawerks bolts up to a stock S pipe, and the ZPI S pipe bolts up to a stock header, then there should be no issue with an Alphawerks header and ZPI S pipe.

As of Tuesday, it was 4 weeks @ 100/wk. The 9th will be week 5 past the 5th deadline?

I agree, pre-order's carry an uncertainty with them. This is understood when ordering, or should be atleast.

Also, Buschur does their bending I would assume. I know a local guy has done 4 of their kits, but just welded bends togather to make piping instead bending one straight pipe.

i can tell you first hand the alphawerks header does NOT come to the stock location for the s-pipe to bolt up to it. it's not TOO far off but it is off. if somone doesn't use the brackets on the bottom of the header, it wouldnt surprise me they couldn't get an aftermarket s-pipe on there.

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 09:14 PM

Marshall

08-04-2005, 10:34 PM

So a few s-pipes accidentally went out without the bracket kit. Big wooop...
ZPI quickly express shipped those out to the customers after realizing what happened. It's not like the first time any company made a mistake. They are only human, but they did the responsible thing and took care of those customers.

Anyway, got my care package from ZPI today. Thanks for the kewl T-shirt, dyno graph, letter, decal, and custom TC-t plaque with my name on it. If I get the radiator cooling plate, I might stick it there. :D

PoizentC

08-04-2005, 11:02 PM

Yup received my care package today too. Thanks ZPI!

matty-tC

08-04-2005, 11:31 PM

pics!

Chris6877

08-05-2005, 12:06 AM

PoizentC

08-05-2005, 01:06 AM

What are you guys that did the first pre-order going to end up paying for your turbo kits.

What are you up to now? Like $800 off or something...If I was you. I would ask for the kit to be sent...And have the one part that is still on backorder. To be sent when it comes in...At least you would have what 95% of the kit.

And what I read on another thread...they can put a temp some type of pipe to make it work...

just an idea...

I'm sorry but 95% of anything is not acceptable and I'm sure ZPI will only ship out a complete, reliable, and quality kit. Plus the turbo inlet pipe with maf flange is vital to the kit so the kit would be useless without it. I have a very good feeling the kits will be shipped out very soon. :)

PoizentC

08-05-2005, 01:32 AM

pics!

Hey matt hit me up on aim and I'll send you pics

wowguytc

08-05-2005, 03:13 AM

bodjie

08-05-2005, 06:26 AM

^^^They should have them already or by tomorrow if they were expecting it Wednesday.

ZPIRacing posted last Friday-July 29:
We are still waiting on the pipe they were shipped out ot us yesterday. So we are hoping for mid next week.

ScionDad

08-05-2005, 08:30 PM

So, What's the story? They certainly should have received the pipes by today (Friday, Aug 5th) if they were shipped to them Friday July 29th....Can ZPI give the community an update?

Regulator

08-06-2005, 04:31 AM

sweet i should be getting my car package soon i hope. i had to have been one of the first to order (mid april). glad to see things are finally moving along a little bit. zpi told me that the pipes are on their way to their shop and as soon as they get the pipes, they are out the door.

WOW, you have to be the most patient man on the planet, especially if they had your money all this time...

Since you placed your order n mid-april, does your rebate start back then or just up until their last "expected" release date, because if it was since April your kit would almost be free by now

Munch

08-06-2005, 05:25 AM

I got my care package today. It had a Red T-shirt, a badge and a couple papers. Now I really want my turbo kit :tap: .

bodjie

08-06-2005, 07:22 AM

Sciondad wrote:
They certainly should have received the pipes by today (Friday, Aug 5th) if they were shipped to them Friday July 29th

Actually, it was shipped Thursday -July 28 since they posted Friday and their post said "shipped YESTERDAY". Unless those pipes are coming from another country like Canada where it might take 2 weeks because of customs, a week is the most it should take within USA even with USPS.

I hope the package didn't get hijacked. :nails:

turbo2liter

08-06-2005, 05:55 PM

Buschur is in Ohio, within the 2 day B2B UPS range.

PoizentC

08-06-2005, 08:42 PM

So, What's the story? They certainly should have received the pipes by today (Friday, Aug 5th) if they were shipped to them Friday July 29th....Can ZPI give the community an update?

^^^

TheKnown

08-07-2005, 02:49 AM

PoizentC

08-07-2005, 02:41 PM

food for thought, if you are all dying to get information... with all of the money invested...... just make a phone call? I know if ii were one of those people on their 'waiting' list, they would very well have my name and number in recent memory. I would call everyday.
From what i gather, i trust ZPI and their product quality. People took the risk by preordering and ZPI didnt have to offer them a weekly rebate. They are doing what they feel, and the community agrees, is fair for delaying the release and shipping date. So many haters in our world today. Let them make their kit and smoke all your civics mmmmmmmmmmmk. And yea, your advice has been dually noted, now gtf off the board

Trust me I have had my fair share of phone calls and I'm sure they know me by name now and are tired of it..haha. I am posting on this thread rather than calling them because they are closed on the weekends and this is the only way I may contact them. I am sure they frequent the boards and are aware of this thread. It's all good though because they should be open tomorrow and I'm sure they'll give us an update.

ScionDad

08-08-2005, 01:40 AM

Marshall

08-08-2005, 02:54 PM

Hypothetically speaking, I'm wondering if they have already received the pipes. But they are welding the plates for the MAF sensors and finishing polishing them before an anouncement is made?

:nails: Ahhhh.. I have no more fingernails left :nails:

Marshall

08-08-2005, 04:33 PM

Good news, ZPI has an update on their Forum:
http://www.thescionstore.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33#post33

ScionDad

08-08-2005, 04:59 PM

Good news, ZPI has an update on their Forum:
http://www.thescionstore.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33#post33

:shock: Looks like they will be shipping THIS week :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

Munch

08-08-2005, 05:08 PM

Good news, ZPI has an update on their Forum:
http://www.thescionstore.com/forum/showthread.php?p=33#post33

:shock: Looks like they will be shipping THIS week :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
I won't be the one holding my breath that's for sure :no: :nope: :tap:

PoizentC

08-08-2005, 05:53 PM

sciontc8

08-08-2005, 06:15 PM

Looks like they won't be shipped out until friday at the earliest:

"Yes the pipes come is raw we forgot about that. We are hoping to get all the flanges welded by the end of the day tomorrow. And then get them to the polisher and coater on Wensday get them back on thursday ship on friday. -ZPI" Pretty interesting approach, polish and coating the MAF Turbo inlet pipe? All the stuff I've had coated, you would never know if it was polished or not underneath. Or do they mean send the whole kits, and if that is the case - why wasn't it done before? 1 day turnaround for all the pipes or kits, is pretty awesome as well :clap:

Marshall

08-08-2005, 10:28 PM

As long as I get my kit before the end of August I'm just fine with it. I told myself from the beginning, my patiance could hold for 3 months. It's only been two months for me... Sure I would love to have it right now, what pre-order customer wouldn't? I knew when commiting to a pre-order, setbacks can come with any new product. For all the money I am saving and performance I will be gaining, it will all be worth it. Patience is truly a virtue...

I finalized my order details today, this is what I am getting:
• ZPI Stage 0 Turbo (230+ whp)
• ZPI S-Pipe (T-304 Stainless Steel )
• Precision Turbo intercooler with cast end tanks (FMIC)
• Stainless Intercooler piping
• 6 psi
• EVO III Big 16g
• Tial Wastegate (silver)
• Tial BOV (silver)
• O2 Sensor
• Stainless charge piping
• 4 ply couplers
• Stainless Manifold (I was going to have Polished, now I'm thinking about having it Ceramic coated inside and out; 2000 degrees)
• Pre tapped Oil pan (Comes with new oil pan making it a true bolt on kit)
• Satin Chrome piping

Future mods:
ZPI Stage 1 Turbo Kit upgrade
ZPI Stage 1 Head (21whp - 28ftlbs)

turbo2liter

08-10-2005, 04:36 PM

Why Stainless intercooler piping? Satin chrome piping? Stainless charge piping?

ScionDad

08-12-2005, 02:05 PM

So, what's the word? Are any of the turbos shipping out today?

Munch

08-12-2005, 02:08 PM

So, what's the word? Are any of the turbos shipping out today?
I doubt it :tap: . They are supposed to call you and ask what color wastegate, intercooler pipping, and bov you want. If you haven't gotten that call the answer is definately NO :tap: :tap: :lalala:

ScionDad

08-12-2005, 05:56 PM

Marshall

08-12-2005, 08:18 PM

ScionDad

08-12-2005, 08:45 PM

Who were the first ones to order? I was told that since a few people canceled their orders that is bumped the rest of us up a few notches.
I know of wowtcguy, oldman, sciondad, and poizntc were a few of the first group... who else am I missing?

Kenny told me I'm in the Wed group for next week, so I'm not sure who all was in the first batch out. This is really SWEET

matty-tC

08-12-2005, 08:54 PM

i want pics and install threads :wink:

any of you guys got a good DV cam?

wowguytc

08-13-2005, 03:52 AM

i talked to zpi a bunch of times today and i did order back in april and should be recieving my kit soon. they said they would sent it on overnight shipping but does anyone know if ups ships on saturdays??? if so i should recieve my kit tomorrow or monday....ill get my gf's camera and put some pics up ASAP......but i am moving back to college wed. and have a lot of packing and installing to do....finally good news

ScionDad

08-13-2005, 04:21 AM

i want pics and install threads :wink:

any of you guys got a good DV cam?

Great idea....

ScionDad

08-13-2005, 04:23 AM

Marshall

08-16-2005, 02:47 PM

Any updates?

Little birds... grape vines... wha wha?

:lalala:

ScionDad

08-16-2005, 06:13 PM

Any updates?

Little birds... grape vines... wha wha?

:lalala:

Nothing I've heard. Kenny told me mine should leave wednesday (tomorrow), so I will make a call tomorrow. If they sent them ground, might take 3 or 4 days, but they should have sent tracking numbers. Why don't you call them and see if yours shipped since you should have been in the first batch. :nails:

PoizentC

08-16-2005, 07:17 PM

I was told mine won't ship until Monday the 22nd. I ordered on June 6th. When did you guys order?

Marshall

08-16-2005, 07:27 PM

edit: 'Some of' the Stage 0 Turbo kits are supposed to go out first before the Stage 1 kits.
I pre-ordered my Stage 0 on June 3rd, but a few people have canceled since then. Therefore, I was told that this would bump me up a few spots. I think this possibly places me in the second batch, so maybe mine should go out Wednesday.

PoizentC

08-16-2005, 07:36 PM

The Stage 0 Turbo kits are supposed to go out first before the Stage 1 kits.
I pre-ordered my Stage 0 on June 3rd, but a few people have canceled since then. Therefore, I was told that this would bump me up a few spots. I think this possibly places me in the second batch, so maybe mine should go out Wednesday.

That sucks...so what's the point of ordering early if I have to wait until all the stage 0s go out? So does this mean that even the ones that ordered later than me will get theirs before me? I thought it would be first ordered first out.

Marshall

08-16-2005, 07:44 PM

You don't have to wait till all the Stage 0 kits go out. Just some of the pre-ordered Stage 0 kits will go out first.

ScionDad

08-16-2005, 07:47 PM

Yea Marshall, I think you are in the batch with me, I ordered 3rd week of May, so Should go out Wednesday.

Marshall

08-16-2005, 07:51 PM

Yea Marshall, I think you are in the batch with me, I ordered 3rd week of May, so Should go out Wednesday.

Oh ohh... don't tease me like that :P

Hey are any of you guys thinking about getting your manifold and downpipe ceramic coated? I was going to take mine and have it polished, but then decided I am going to have it Ceramic Coated inside and out with Jet-Hot 2000 for better performance...

ScionDad

08-16-2005, 08:30 PM

:rofl: I hope the rest go out as he stated.

Check this stuff out.

http://www.techlinecoatings.com/articles/Coating_Exhaust_Manifolds_Article.htm

Click the state to see who is close to you as an approved provider
http://www.techlinecoatings.com/approved/appappna.htm

Marshall

08-19-2005, 03:03 PM

Have any of you received any notification or tracking number for your order?

ScionDad

08-19-2005, 04:02 PM

Have any of you received any notification or tracking number for your order?

Nope, nothing at this time...gonna call Kenny now...Be right back.

ScionDad

08-19-2005, 05:08 PM

All the May kits should go out today and Monday per ZPI

wowguytc

08-20-2005, 06:05 AM

nah mid april still hasnt gone out. ill let yall know when i get a tracking number

Munch

08-20-2005, 12:33 PM

nah mid april still hasnt gone out. ill let yall know when i get a tracking number
And the saga continues................................ :doh: :tap: :nope:

ScionDad

08-20-2005, 01:23 PM

Has anyone actually received their kit? :nails:

Marshall

08-20-2005, 02:21 PM

nah mid april still hasnt gone out. ill let yall know when i get a tracking number
That sooks you haven't got your kit yet if you ordered in April.
I've been told that they have all the parts and are sending out kits almost daily once the pipes arive back from the polisher. I'm going to be upset if I don't see a manual on the website and someone with a tracking number next week. :tap:

Regulator

08-20-2005, 03:02 PM

You should have been upset about a month ago when you still didn't receive jack for all the money you spent months prior to that. But I guess you guys are more patient than some

wowguytc

08-21-2005, 12:29 AM

how many orders went out before april 17th??? does anyone know the date the kit was announced and actually started taking orders? maybe they said kits were shipped to just stop the refund thing.....i dont know....i would call all the time and kenny would never return my calls or never be available. i would feel a lot more comfortable if someone says they have a tracking number because as of now this is unbelievable.

Fm_Tc_In_Ma

08-21-2005, 12:44 AM

I don't care how many orders ZPI finally ships. Their constant lies have now prevented me from EVER ordering from them. I will gladly drive up to New Hampshire to visit Joe at Dezod and inquire about a turbo from him.

Im sorry, but I see no excuses now as to why 25 people who pre-ordered their turbos do not have a tracking number with their orders already shipped.

If I am wrong, forgive me, but does ANYONE have a tracking number for their turbo?

ScionDad

08-21-2005, 03:16 AM

Well, I either get a tracking number or a refund Monday. I can't wait any longer. My 90 day charge back time frame ends next week. So, Monday it is my drop dead date.....

matty-tC

08-21-2005, 03:31 AM

interesting. have you called ZPI?

ScionDad

08-21-2005, 03:15 PM

Munch

08-21-2005, 03:59 PM

interesting. have you called ZPI?

Yea, I spoke to them several times in the last 2 weeks and was just told Friday that the May kits will go out that day and Monday. Strange tho, I haven't seen one post about anyone receiving kits from the April orders. :tap:

Can ANYONE say they have received a ZPI turbo in the mail?
It's because it's probably a blatant lie just to stop all the posts here about how bad their business is run, and how little they care about their current customers and their future ones too. Looks like I'll be canceling my order soon too.

Regulator

08-21-2005, 05:14 PM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

In all honesty I feel bad for you guys getting the shaft like this, hopefully some good will come from this and you can either get all your money back or get what you paid for and not just some smoke and mirrors show.

PoizentC

08-21-2005, 07:27 PM

I've called many times to get in touch with Kenny. Still haven't received a call back yet.

Fm_Tc_In_Ma

08-21-2005, 08:26 PM

I've called many times to get in touch with Kenny. Still haven't received a call back yet.

I don't believe that ZPI is scamming anyone. I think their business practices absolutely sucks though.

Lyracon

08-21-2005, 09:42 PM

so how many of you guys have actually preordered the turbo kits? Hopefully for your sake and ZPI's that they start shipping soon. Lets say there were only 25 preorders(which I think is a small amount) and they have been delayed 6 weeks now so 6x100=600x25(customers)=15,000 OUCH.....

PoizentC

08-21-2005, 11:02 PM

Regulator

08-22-2005, 12:04 AM

That's still around 7500 bucks

seen4ever

08-22-2005, 01:38 PM

turbo2liter

08-22-2005, 02:16 PM

I'm still here lurking and watching as well. Good luck to all those with money outstanding.

ScionDad

08-22-2005, 04:15 PM

I spoke to Kenny and he said 6 kits shipped Friday. They are going out is what he says. He did not know how wowtcguy got missed from April (he brought it up), but he is aware and I didn't ask, but I would think your kit went out Friday worst case since he said they were into shipping May orders. He expects to have all preorders fill by First week of Sept.

Just repeating what he told me

wowguytc

08-22-2005, 06:18 PM

im just getting sick of calling them and getting nothing out of it. i stopped just because im to busy moving and all and school starts in a couple days. all i was told was that i was late april and should be by the end of last week. still nothing yet......this sucks

ZPIracing

08-22-2005, 06:28 PM

Dear Future & Current ZPI Customers,

As an investor in ZPIRacing I am here to say that I know for a fact that turbo kits are being shipped. I apologize for any inconvience that you all are encountering. When Kenny and others at ZPI promised kits to be shipped out earlier they were just listening to our suppliers. These delays were then passed onto the customer.

Please be patient, as these orders will be filled as with the hundreds more that we hope to send out. The amount of time that is being wasted trying to keep the negativity down on the board are not making it any easier.

It is quite discouraging for these guys to be here working all the time at all hours of the night and then to come to the local boards to realize that once again, they need to defend themselves.

ZPI is working on numerous things, and customer service is our number one priority. We are striving our hardest to develope a concrete infastructure to be able to properly handle all of our orders/shipping/phones/internet, etc. We appreciate your patience and truly appreciate the support of the Scion Community.

If anyone feels the need to contact me personally they may do so at (502)608.8661

Thanks,

Mark Wooley

Regulator

08-22-2005, 07:07 PM

Regulator

08-22-2005, 07:11 PM

Tc808

08-22-2005, 09:43 PM

I feel bad for all you guys that have waited months for your kit. I was very close to placing a preorder back in April but decided to wait and hear how fellow SL members liked theirs. After seeing how ZPI conducts business, I wouldn't buy a kit from them even at a discounted price.

TurboCustomz

08-22-2005, 10:04 PM

i don't think anyone has gotten a refund yet. I would say, to just keep calling them. I know that the charles has the turbo kit on his car, although i heard that they pulled it off Kenny's car.. Then there is cincyTc and that black one. So there are officially 3 turbo kits out there. Charles doesn't even have the 16g anymore, he put a 20g on it.

I would say, that the only thing you can do is keep calling and demand a tracking number. I hope for everyone that all that money hasn't went down the drain. But then again, were there really 25 ordered? It seems that there are only like 5 or so people on here that ordered one.

My car still has a 16g on it. I've never put, or ever said that I put a larger turbo on the car. The grey car has a turbo kit on it, my white car has a turbo kit on it, the blue cincy car has a turbo kit on it, Russo's black tC has a turbo kit on it. Not everyone that ordered a turbo kit is on scion life. Not every scion owner is on scion life.

Charles

ZPIracing

08-22-2005, 10:30 PM

Dave no we are not making excuses we simply are stating facts. We offered a pre-order discount to see how the market would react to a new product. We did project a release date and you are right this date was not reached. We changed the design several times to ensure a quality product.

We are not able to project everything; we have tried and ended up putting our foot in our mouth. We offered a refund to anyone who is not happy with the discount structure offered we will refund your money. We will stand behind our product 100% we have hundreds of happy customers and we will not sit and let our name be slandered by a non customer with limited if any automotive knowledge.

The facts are we have a turbo kit, they are finished and shipping we are trying to get the orders filled as soon as possible. If you do not want to wait anymore please call the shop and will refund your money. The kit will then be available for immediate shipping in the follow weeks at available at retail pricing. We have a tried and true product with various happy customers, we have boosted more Scion tC’s than anyone in the country and
Will continue to make quality products for this Scion tC and other Scion Models.

bodjie

08-23-2005, 06:01 AM

seen4ever

08-23-2005, 12:56 PM

My car still has a 16g on it. I've never put, or ever said that I put a larger turbo on the car. The grey car has a turbo kit on it, my white car has a turbo kit on it, the blue cincy car has a turbo kit on it, Russo's black tC has a turbo kit on it. Not everyone that ordered a turbo kit is on scion life. Not every scion owner is on scion life.

Charles

ehh, sorry about that, i thought i heard from a miata owner that you had went to a 20g and had to pull a turbo kit off the grey car to put onto your car. probably just local heresay BS that's been floating around.

TurboCustomz

08-23-2005, 03:46 PM

I'd be more then happy to show you anytime.

Marshall

08-23-2005, 04:10 PM

http://65.42.106.152/forums/images/smilies/owned.gif

seen4ever

08-23-2005, 05:14 PM

I'd be more then happy to show you anytime.

what else will you show me :)

matty-tC

08-23-2005, 07:08 PM

http://65.42.106.152/forums/images/smilies/owned.gif

:rofl:

i heard charles was putting a 14b on there. max boost at 72rpm. ph34r teh dsm turbo.

lesson in life... salt comes in very handy when dealing with "facts" posted on internet forums

seen4ever

08-23-2005, 08:29 PM

i had actually been told this in person by a friend of charles, hence why i thought it was truth. It wasn't like i heard something form regulator or turbo2liter and took it as fact, it was a close friend of charles and some that used to be an employee of ZPI until there were differences.

but sure, owned, i know nothing, blah blah blah.

ZPIracing

08-23-2005, 11:26 PM

We have a tried and true product with various happy customers, we have boosted more Scion tC’s than anyone in the country

Not counting the ones associated with ZPI, how many of those various happy customers are SL members if I may ask? If none of them are SL members, I wonder how they found out about your pre-order program? :lalala:

The only 2 cars associated with ZPI are the grey and the white one. The cars charles has forgot was retrodrive and tylertc.

We are not sure who is a member and who is not. There are also members who read that do not post on a regualr basis. The turbo info has been linked all over the net and on every Scion and other boards in the country. we have no idea who bought one and who did not.

I am sure that in the next coming weeks there will be post all multiple forums regarding there ZPI turbo kit. We appreciate the support and look forward to serving you in future.

Thanks

-ZPIracing

ZPIracing

08-23-2005, 11:26 PM

bodjie

08-24-2005, 01:56 AM

I am sure that in the next coming weeks there will be post all multiple forums regarding there ZPI turbo kit. We appreciate the support and look forward to serving you in future.

I'll be watching the forums very closely in the following weeks in anticipation of your turbo kits. Should I start wearing a bib in case i start drooling? :rofl:

Regulator

08-25-2005, 03:45 PM

Another day....anyone have turbo kits at their front door?

Marshall

08-25-2005, 06:47 PM

Another day....anyone have turbo kits at their front door?
STFU!

Regulator

08-25-2005, 06:51 PM

Feelings hurt much?

ScionDad

08-27-2005, 12:44 AM

Nope, No hurt feelings at all. ZPI Rocks :bow:

I got a few photos from ZPI that I thought I would share with you. I hope they wont mind me posting.

Some of 16g Turbos that are going out next.
http://www.geocities.com/ebayjonathan/turbo.JPG

Unpolished pipes (if I recall correctly, these are the same pipes going to ScionDad since he wants to have his custom coated)
http://www.geocities.com/ebayjonathan/unpolished-pipes.JPG

One of the polished pipes compaired to the raw stainless steal.
http://www.geocities.com/ebayjonathan/top-polished-pipe.JPG

seen4ever

08-27-2005, 10:45 PM

i heard that charles went to the dyno and put down some sick numbers, aka over 400wlbs of torque.

also heard the mr. kenny threw on a bigger turbo and started to go for serious power.

mattssi

08-28-2005, 12:26 AM

i heard that charles went to the dyno and put down some sick numbers, aka over 400wlbs of torque.

also heard the mr. kenny threw on a bigger turbo and started to go for serious power.

He said he would have kept the mitsu turbo on there if he had one laying around that didn't have to go to a customer.

He did mention the alcohol injection kit....that's bad ace

turbocivic

08-30-2005, 12:29 PM

those are some cute little turbos....

Munch

08-30-2005, 12:32 PM

those are some cute little turbos....
Yeah and they all have internal wastegates too :no: :nope: :lalala:

seen4ever

08-30-2005, 04:40 PM

those are some cute little turbos....
Yeah and they all have internal wastegates too :no: :nope: :lalala:

I believe that's the only way they are sold, so they remove the internal wastegate and weld up the flapper hole, so it builds boost. So its on the list of things to do would be my guess. Kind of surprised they went through all the trouble to go external when the turbos come with internal and will easily regulate boost.

CervezA

08-30-2005, 05:19 PM

wowguytc

08-30-2005, 11:16 PM

ok.. Well apparently I'm one of those "happy customers."
I started learning about ZPI on these forums. I got away from the forums b/c it's basically just people bored at work/ school just trying to knock somebody else down. I've made a few calls to ZPI. It seemed like when I was active on the forums, my questions were all answered pretty quickly. Now, simply doing "professional business" over the phone, email, and even AIM; I'm either thrown on hold for more than 10 minutes or simply not responded to.
I understand that the design has changed many times.
If your design keeps changing, don't set unrealistic goals!
How simple is that?
Just don't tell people their already paid and purchased product will arrive next Tuesday when you know for a fact that won't happen. People don't mind the wait if you don't blatently lie to their face.
Do we really have to take the time to fly out to the ZPI shop to become "buddy buddy" with you in order to receive updates?

i couldn't have said it better myself. the forums just don't work no more and i've called several times and im sure they know me by memory. the longest i was dumb enough to hold was about 20 minutes. ridiculous. i was also promised calls back that i have not recieved about 15 time. actually i have NEVER ONCE RECIEVED A CALL FROM THEM! i have had to call numerous times and still nothing. im an april order and still no sign of anything. as of right now i could not recommend this company to anybody anymore. they have been friendly on the phone but that is about it. sorry zpi but here comes september and nothing.

mattssi

08-31-2005, 02:06 AM

Sorry to hear. Your experience eminds me of a company called SRT I dealt with w/ the IS300. F them

Until another kit comes out, I'm sticking it out w/ ZPI

turbo2liter

08-31-2005, 03:46 AM

Nothing wrong with internal gates, except they are typically a +$100 option from the manufacturer. If every kit has opted for an external, it's definitly not something they just ordered to take off and weld-up.

Today is the end of the 8th week of delays. All pre-orders, that's $800 back. Cheers!

wowguytc

08-31-2005, 05:49 AM

i doubt they are gonna say its 8 weeks. they are gonna have all kind of BS saying that one kit shipped so the refund is over.....i can already hear it........i bet its like $500 or something. i also heard that all stage 0 kits will be gone by sept. 1 for sure......thats right around the corner.....still no tracking number for an april order.

WowGuySRT

08-31-2005, 06:00 AM

I, myself have even called ZPi a few times wondering the status of the kits. I have an SRT-4 and will soon be purchasing a tC as a daily driver, but i love boost. I have dealt with plenty of companies, but I have never come across something as disorganized and untruthful as this. I mean its one thing to mistake a date, but to repeatedly make promises to your "happy customers" is just down right ridiculous. I know they are swamped,but why lie?. Just let us know you are swamped and wont get the kits out till ___ . Its only right? well im done. No flaming was intended but I have been holding it back for a while .

CervezA

08-31-2005, 07:17 AM

Well, I don't mean to bash them so hard. It's not as if they're TRD.. yet.

I completely understand the whole marketing/ hype thing that's so popular with all these new cars. For the most part, certain shops work together to create the final kit. All shops are in business to make money off their products. They do good work (most of the time) so it's well worth the wait.
It's a pain having to rely on other companies for fitment, pipe bending, etc but it's the only realistic option. To own one shop and have every possible manufacturer/ customizer on staff just isn't realistic. Shops fix and upgrade cars, they don't necessariliy manufacture the parts.

All I'm complaining about is the customer service. I can wait for the finished product. When I am actually able to get through to someone over there, they tell me it'll be shipping out "within the next week" or "early next week."
I really see no purpose in lying anymore. We're all aware of the fact that ZPI has lost multiple ScionLife customers. My question is, why did you believe that the scionlife forums were their primary marketing tool? That was just to create the hype which they did a pretty good job of. Your next question should be, what was their "true, intended release date" from the start. ;)

Just a few thoughts to ponder.

-TonyD

ps
Kenny: Did you receive your information packet from the BBB yet?

PoizentC

09-03-2005, 11:09 PM

I had some extra time this weekend and decided to stop over ZPI. They are definitely awesome people. They've been nothing but helpful.

wowguytc

09-04-2005, 04:09 AM

got a tracking number guys, should be putting up pics soon and a vid guys. glad to see things moving finally

ScionDad

09-04-2005, 02:31 PM

got a tracking number guys, should be putting up pics soon and a vid guys. glad to see things moving finally

Same here.... :clap:

CervezA

09-27-2005, 01:35 AM

What's the status with most of your orders? I know I was an April order and haven't received anything yet besides a few T-Shirts and a badge that spells my last name wrong.

Anyone?

-c

Fm_Tc_In_Ma

09-27-2005, 03:06 AM

CervezA

11-06-2005, 09:47 PM

Munch

11-06-2005, 11:58 PM

What's the status with most of your orders? I know I was an April order and haven't received anything yet besides a few T-Shirts and a badge that spells my last name wrong.

Anyone?

-c

You seriously havent gotten your turbo yet?

nope, still haven't gotten my kit.. guess they really don't want to send my turbo along w/the check they owe me. I was an April order...

I'm glad that I'm no longer waiting for anything from ZPI. Wow it really sucks to be you bro. I was in the same boat as you with ZPI until I just got fed up and went with the TRD supercharger instead. I hope you get something soon because that's just wrong :no: :nope: . I hate to tell people I told you so :lalala: .

CervezA

11-07-2005, 05:52 PM

nester

11-07-2005, 09:43 PM

Well ZPI's commited to making their customers happy :blah:
but good luck with the s/c :clap:

I won't comment on any thing other than your kit, because I'm not familar with the particulars.. However, as soon as this latest tial order comes in, your kit is going out. It's missing one shiny wastegate from Tial.

It's been overnighted, but won't ship until tomm morning, so we're expecting it sometime Wednesday. I will do everything I can to make sure the box with your name gets out before UPS closes on Wednesday night.

If anyone has any outstanding issues or questions, feel free to contact me directly, and I will do whatever I can to get you an answer and/or resolution.

CervezA

11-10-2005, 04:59 AM

CervezA

11-10-2005, 04:59 AM

nester

11-10-2005, 10:32 PM

Sorry, it did not go out yesterday. I just got the tracking number from Tial, and the package has already left today. It should be here in the morning, and your kit will be going out ASAP, along with a couple other people.

CervezA

11-10-2005, 10:48 PM

Thanks again

CervezA

11-20-2005, 03:19 AM

Marshall

01-04-2006, 02:23 AM

Question: Are your cancellations being refunded the 15th of each month, or the 15th of the following month after a refund request?

How does that work?

If I were to have made a refund request for a non-delivered item on lets say, Nov. 29th, should I receive a full refund on Dec 15th, or would I have to wait a month and a half till Jan 15th... or possibly later?

ZPI Return Policy:
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/store/shipping.php?osCsid=7157e9717fa886932fb3d0480cad668e

Please clarify, thank you.

ZPIracing

01-04-2006, 06:14 AM

Jon,

I am not sure what happen with your refund you are 100% correct you should have had it on 12/15. I am not making excuses or have an explanation. The reason we switched to the 15th thing was to elminate all the CC BS. Either way Keisha filled me in on what was going on yesterday and your refund will leave us before the end of the week. You know as well as anyone we have no problems issuing the refund. We just dropped the ball on this one.

Again sorry for the screw up not really sure how the signals got crossed.......must have been the Holidays :doh:

Talk to you soon,

-Kenny

RedLine_tC

01-14-2006, 04:38 AM

ZPI Racing is a good company and has good ppl..i ordered some tien s-techs for my tC got them winthin 5 days after i ordered them.... fast shippment and plans on buying more from them !!

CervezA

01-14-2006, 05:24 AM

I'm still waiting on a refund from an exhaust return.. Hopefully that'll be processed on the 15th of this month?

-Keith-

06-27-2006, 04:10 PM

Since this is the offical thread and was kind of dead...

These are the other threads along the way...

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=123234&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=124720&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=125584&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=124750&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=116696&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=108356&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=104337&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=95601&highlight=zpi
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64348&highlight=zpi

paul_dezod

06-27-2006, 08:58 PM

TurboCustomz

06-27-2006, 09:05 PM

-Keith-

06-28-2006, 06:47 PM

zer0

07-06-2006, 07:48 AM

TTT

Anyone else with good/bad reviews. This is the place.

rhythmnsmoke

07-06-2006, 06:57 PM

All of our engine work is done at ZPI. I don't trust anyone else to even touch our tC. Every experience I have ever had with them has been nothing but the best. Even the first time I ever did business with them over a year ago, they did things I NEVER expect any tuner company to EVER do.

1fastscion

07-10-2006, 07:46 PM

Nick06tC

07-10-2006, 10:56 PM

I've never heard a BIGGER LIE in my LIFE. ZPI YOY ARE LIARS AND THEIVES. I run a business, very similar to yours, stop cheating these scion guys out of money.

A CC processing company won't charge you a dime for a return. I know cuz I do it all the time. They only charge you if you actually process and collect. If you have to return the money they even return the fee.

KENNY AND SPI ALWAYS HAVE A CONVENIENT ANSWER FOR BEING LIARS DONT THEY?

The problem is you eventually get your money but not so quickly. It is very difficult for a small comany that quadruples it size in 6 months to finance the growth with limited capital. I know for a fact that Kenny is no thief, maybe misunderstood but he won't steal fromyou. If he was a thief he would be long gone and no one. i mean no one would be able to find him.

Ok, if he isnt a thief, why did he take this guys money one year ago, and not give him anything in return or give him his money back?
Doesnt a thief take something without providing a service or a product? Isnt that what ZPI did?

Can that be disputed?

rhythmnsmoke

07-10-2006, 11:24 PM

Nick06tC

07-11-2006, 02:05 AM

With the limited information that you have available to you, one would only see the surface value of things, and perhaps make the comment you just made. :eyebrow:

Then educate me so I have the insider info like you do. I take it from your comment that he got his money back or his turbo kit?!

Please just answer this from a neutral side:

Doesnt a thief take something without providing a service or a product?

Then answer:

Did ZPI take money from someone without providing a service or a product?

Im not implying anything or asking it to be read into. Just two simple questions.

TurboCustomz

07-11-2006, 03:13 AM

That arguement of course could go both ways.

Hillbilly

07-11-2006, 04:05 AM

I don't know the rules well enough so please delete this if this next line is not appropriate. I just don't know how else to react. The smiles just don't work for me.

OMFG.

This is rediculous. I have one PM and that is from John whom I PM'ed myself trying to get this straight. I expected that with this many pages of complaints my box would be full and I would be having complaints about THAT.

PLEASE If ZPI or Kenny OWE YOU SOMETHING that you feel you have not recieved or will not for whatever reason please send ME HillBilly a PM at ScionLife with details about the situation, any purchase or order info and I will see what I can do to get it out ASAP. Kesha and Kenny know what needs to go and are working to get it out. I believe all pending orders that are NOT Turbos should be out by Friday but I will not promise you anything more than August 1st. Turbo's should go before August 1st but hey I bet you hope it doesn't go until the 2nd and I am not a liar about the refund part. Well I happen to know the turbo guys won't compain about anything because they just want their boost.

Thanks,
Danny
VP of Business Affairs
and Kenny's new best friend.

1widetc

07-11-2006, 04:44 AM

zer0

07-11-2006, 04:48 AM

Apparently he does work for ZPI..

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1703226&highlight=#1703226

nester

07-11-2006, 05:01 AM

ohcanada_00

07-11-2006, 05:05 AM

since you all wanted to quote foul language, the topic has been split off as best I can tell. Here's a tip, dont use fould language, not only do you look bad, its gets you warned!

warnings sent, please try to keep this under control.

1widetc

07-11-2006, 05:25 AM

These are just the ones bascily saying wheres my part or where my money...

Of course theres good ones to dont get my wrong... but 20 good ones and at least 5 bad ones... hmm yea...

You gonna buy from somone on ebay that has 5 negative feedbacks?

You know you sound jelous. You must be a competitor. What are you trying to sell?

Keith use to sell there products... he doesnt make kits. He got banned for standing up for what he believes in... Many people that favored ZPI knew his story.

Like I posted in the other thread... You came on here, acted netural... but now it looks like you work for ZPI... I love the 1,000 ZPI names and none of them have returned money to the people that are asking for it... Nester posts on Scion-tech all day long... But according to Kennys letter they arent posting online or dealing with this so called web drama.

No one ever said I couldn't post. Kenny said he wasn't going to post.

If I don't keep up with the web forums, I'm not really doing my job.

And I quote...
To be honest we are tired of the drama. It is a prime example of people continually taking things out of context and twisting the truth to make us look bad or to make their company look better. We do not have the time nor the patience to continue to respond to the amounts of BS being posted. The thing about the internet is that 8-10 people can make things appear much worst than they are and in this business you cannot make all of them happy, the last two weeks being a prime example. We have never once lied while drama was being induced and the originator of any bad thread can verify that. The issues become issues when the same 8-10 people continue to attempt to drag our name through the dirt even though they in the most part have never had any dealings with us. I will not sit up at night surfing the net ready to respond every time one of these individuals has a negative unrelated thing to say as I have in the past. For that purpose, we chose not to read or respond to anything good or bad.

It dont get more clearer then that.

ERIC-TC

07-11-2006, 12:29 PM

These are just the ones bascily saying wheres my part or where my money...

Of course theres good ones to dont get my wrong... but 20 good ones and at least 5 bad ones... hmm yea...

You gonna buy from somone on ebay that has 5 negative feedbacks?

You know you sound jelous. You must be a competitor. What are you trying to sell?

Keith use to sell there products... he doesnt make kits. He got banned for standing up for what he believes in... Many people that favored ZPI knew his story.

Like I posted in the other thread... You came on here, acted netural... but now it looks like you work for ZPI... I love the 1,000 ZPI names and none of them have returned money to the people that are asking for it... Nester posts on Scion-tech all day long... But according to Kennys letter they arent posting online or dealing with this so called web drama.

No one ever said I couldn't post. Kenny said he wasn't going to post.

If I don't keep up with the web forums, I'm not really doing my job.

Nester, I'm glad you are doing well. Two months ago I sent you an e-mail asking for your help because I was not successfull at getting an update on my Stage 0 tC Turbo kit order from ZPI it was already 2 month overdue -I never got a reply from you. I also had some questions on BOV and why it had been removed from the base Stage 0 package.

I finally got the BOV questions answered after a few more e-mails to ZPI. I'm still waiting on my kit.

nester

07-11-2006, 03:39 PM

It dont get more clearer then that.

Perhaps. However, unless Kenny says I can't post on SL, then I will continue to do so. I'm not sure why this is an issue.

nester

07-11-2006, 03:49 PM

1fastscion

07-11-2006, 04:10 PM

Nester, I'm glad you are doing well. Two months ago I sent you an e-mail asking for your help because I was not successfull at getting an update on my Stage 0 tC Turbo kit order from ZPI it was already 2 month overdue -I never got a reply from you. I also had some questions on BOV and why it had been removed from the base Stage 0 package.

I finally got the BOV questions answered after a few more e-mails to ZPI. I'm still waiting on my kit.

Eric,

I apologize. I have searched through my email looking for that email, and I can not find it. It is possible it got blocked by my spam filter or that I inadvertently deleted the message.

The spam filter doesn't send a bounce message, it accepts it as a normal message and then vaporizes it.

--Sean

NESTOR!!!!!!!! Instead of letting this guy know what's up with his turbo, you give him some BS explanantion about not getting his emails.

So you just take peoples money and don't even call them back after the order has been placed to update them of the status?

hat is horrible service. I hope you don;t get paid for your non-skills at customer service.

Why don't you tell him where his turbo is? That's right, THEY DON'T EXIST.

nester

07-11-2006, 04:26 PM

If you say so. I guess we will see what happens at the end of the month. I doubt you'll man up and apologize, at any rate.

ERIC-TC

07-11-2006, 05:16 PM

nester

07-11-2006, 06:41 PM

Nester, I'm glad you are doing well. Two months ago I sent you an e-mail asking for your help because I was not successfull at getting an update on my Stage 0 tC Turbo kit order from ZPI it was already 2 month overdue -I never got a reply from you. I also had some questions on BOV and why it had been removed from the base Stage 0 package.

I finally got the BOV questions answered after a few more e-mails to ZPI. I'm still waiting on my kit.

Eric,

I apologize. I have searched through my email looking for that email, and I can not find it. It is possible it got blocked by my spam filter or that I inadvertently deleted the message.

The spam filter doesn't send a bounce message, it accepts it as a normal message and then vaporizes it.

--Sean

Nestor, I've sent you a new PM. Let me know if you have not gotten it.

You have reply.

WeDriveScions

07-12-2006, 06:44 AM

Ok.... Offical WDS Statement Follows -

No more personal or flaming attacks will go on in this thread... I understand the tension and dissapointment/conflict, and await the resolution from Hillbilly and ZPI as a whole in the next few weeks...

If there is no resolution, I can understand, and it is being observed and will be discussed at that point.

Until then, please exercise TACT, and self-discipline on both sides of this issue and allow responsible and respectful resolutions to be reached.

Fish

07-14-2006, 03:44 AM

Ok. So here is my experience with ZPI....I ordered a set of Tein Coilovers and an HID kit on May 28th -ish. A month later I still didn't have any of my stuff or really any updates on the progress of my order. My 3-5 day shipping was now nearing the one and a half month mark with none of my products being shipped. This is around when Danny (Hillbilly) showed up. A day after the official ZPI website put up the notice about their new VP of Buisness Affairs he had contacted me through PM AND email trying to get my order straightened out. To make a long story short I now have a UPS tracking number and my coilovers are on thier way and my HIDs are to be shipped tommorrow.

I think Danny is doing great things for this company :clap: and all the ZPI bashers should just wait a few months and see what kind of shape ZPI will be in then.

BYeRhONe

07-14-2006, 09:56 PM

My pulley finally came in today and its awesome. Also got a free t-shirt. Had 3 people in the car durring the test drive and it drove like they werent there. The Tein springs i ordered from them will arive next week. ZPI bashers dont need to wait a few months cause they are already getting thier sh*t together now

jam0321

07-15-2006, 12:15 AM

It's promising to see a lot of customers are getting their orders fulfilled. Unfortunately, regardless of the reasons, a persons or business reputation can be easily tarnished and it takes a while to regain the trust of the people back. These new business practices are on the right path. I myself am still waiting for an order to be filled. Although it has taken over a week to be settled, the thing I appreciate the most is the honesty and communication I am now receiving.
A lot of customers complained that ZPI was ignoring or avoiding calls, email, and IM's. Keisha has been great in letting me know of my situation and doing everything to fix it. Now we'll just see when I get my order. ..

Fish

07-15-2006, 04:00 AM

Once you get your order filled and delivered make sure you post on here. Personally I would like to give ZPI as much good feedback as possible. I think they could become a very good company with Danny running the buisness side of things now. But not if all they get is people complaing about their orders. So people try to post POSITIVE feedback as well as your problems.

BYeRhONe

07-17-2006, 02:44 PM

Tien S-tech springs just arrived a day early from ZPI. too bad i dont have time to instll untill wed.

The pulley i installed last week is amazing i took my friend for a ride and they knew a difference without me telling them what i put in.

thank you ZPI

JohnnyBlazed

07-17-2006, 07:53 PM

I'd just like to give you an update since ya'll been patiant with me. Been dealing with ZPI for a year but, Danny aka hillbilly recently came into the picture. Gave me a call and had an offer to settle it. Half of the offer just was recieved in the mail so prop to Him for straiting the problem out for me. I give him credit and I think he might do awsome things for ZPI's business side. can't wait to recieve the other half. anyone else having issues with ZPI? just give them a call and talk to him. if it's a legit reasson I think he deffinitly can
get it figured out. once again props to him!

ERIC-TC

07-18-2006, 10:41 PM

Jonny, that is some very good news. I'm still waiting on my turbo -but it looks that ZPI is finally moving in the right direction.

supawtC

07-19-2006, 03:44 AM

Just wait till aug 1 its the real test... Lets hope they can get it together

nester

07-20-2006, 02:38 PM

sleepermod

07-20-2006, 05:43 PM

:clap: :clap: Hope I receive mine real soon as well Nester.... I hear the turbo spooling right now :P

ERIC-TC

07-26-2006, 05:51 PM

Hope you guys can get my turbo out in less than a week or it's free!

I hope you don't run out of checks, next thing is that the kit is not shipping because you are waiting on the refund checks... Might as well order a couple of check books now...

Fish

07-26-2006, 06:45 PM

Update on my order: I've recieved my coilovers (which are great btw) and my HIDs will be here on the 27th. Thanks ZPI for getting everything straightened out.

ark05tc

07-27-2006, 06:02 PM

August 1st is getting really close. anyone recieved their stage 0 yet?

zer0

07-28-2006, 03:40 AM

Dunno, they removed their promise of kits are free by Aug 1st from their website homepage... :nails:

highhobbiescom

07-28-2006, 03:52 AM

We have 1000 people that say that Aug 1st thing, so we have proof. Let's go.

Fish

07-28-2006, 05:03 AM

I have a copy of it on my computer should the need for it arise. I don't think it will though. ZPI seems to be coming through for everyone.

Nick06tC

07-28-2006, 09:36 AM

Who all is still waiting on stuff?

sleepermod

07-28-2006, 10:08 AM

I rang the office on Tuesday afternoon and Joyce picked up the call. She said they were in the process of moving to their new facility and are extremely busy. Is this the reason for non-reply on ScionLife and emails??

I left the message with Joyce to get Nester (aka Sean) to reply my emails but nothing as of today :nails: No updates on my Stage 0 kit. Order was placed on 18 Jan with Jet Hot coating option.... :lalala: Fully Paid btw

Don't know if I would be getting Free turbo kit since 1st Aug is just round the corner :lalala: :lalala:

Nick06tC

07-28-2006, 10:12 AM

zer0

07-28-2006, 03:01 PM

http://zpiracing.net/oldnews.shtml

http://www.scigen.net/upload/files/1/zpipromise.gif

sleepermod

07-28-2006, 07:41 PM

thechick_zpi

07-28-2006, 08:13 PM

Nick06tC

07-28-2006, 09:17 PM

zer0

07-28-2006, 09:43 PM

Looks like they are gonna have to Overnight things, to keep that promise..

etsnet

07-29-2006, 12:22 AM

:clap: Glad to see Johnny's happy and hope he's feeling better too.

:clap: Also gald to see ZPI getting back up on their feet and wish them luck.

Sciond

07-29-2006, 01:17 AM

:ponder:

WeDriveScions

07-30-2006, 03:07 AM

It's just not on the front page anymore because of all of the new "news" about moving and such....the older stuff rolls off as new info as posted!

Things are looking good around here though! Email boxes should be getting flooded with tracking numbers beginning tonight and continuing until Tuesday! Whew!

Thanks for all of the support everyone! We finally have internet today and are back up on emails and aim...new phone lines are all up and running and hopefully by Friday of next week you should be able to call our old 800# and get to us!

~Keisha

Quick question, if you are sending tracking numbers up until tuesday, How are you going to make good on the promise That every order will be DELIVERED by august 1st, or it is free?

Come on guys... technically it says delivered, so if there's a tracking number and it's delivered, it's delivered... when it's recieved, it's recieved... The reality is that the kits are going to be in the hands of the paid and everything that needed to be addressed with each individual, was, by hillbilly, and brought back on track to the best of his ability, which is all that can be asked for...

All this thread has shown recently is that hillbilly has worked with each buyer and anyone can see the change in dialogue/business practice for the better as of this point.

Nick06tC

07-30-2006, 01:19 PM

24 hours

ERIC-TC

07-30-2006, 04:31 PM

Techincally speaking -My ZPI Stage 0 was ordered and paid for in March 2006. The item was advertized as a 2-week ship date... I got the 25% restocking fee disclamer when I asked about options to get my money refunded after waiting month after month after month with no kit. Then the Hillbilly offer comes up and I have to wait yet another month till Aug 1st to get tracking numbers for my stuff.

It's true that I have been compensated for my very long wait time with some store credit -Which helps. I just don't appreciate not having any options except wait 6 month to get my kit or loose 25% of my money... That's is just not right. I feel that If I would of gotten my money back that I would of been rolling with a SC for at least 4 month now.

Technically speaking I still have no tracking number. Aug 1st is this tuesday :loser:

Technically speaking I need a new calendar...

Nick06tC

07-30-2006, 04:55 PM

august 1st is tuesday. But it if doesnt arrive by midnight tomorrow, then technically by their wording it is free. A tracking number does not mean delivered. Delivered means you have it.

What I am curiouse with is, do they refund the money and still send the kit out? and how long do you have to wait for that?

Nick06tC

07-30-2006, 04:56 PM

zer0

07-30-2006, 05:09 PM

Yes Delivered means in your possesion.

v. de·liv·ered - To secure (something promised or desired)

A shipping # just means it on its way, the product is not secured.

peteyd

07-30-2006, 05:41 PM

All pending orders will be filled by August 1st this includes all turbo kit orders or it is FREE straight up. Shipping on all ZPIracing products (excluding: hoods, engines) will be FREE also in the month of August.

doesnt say delivered.

zer0

07-30-2006, 05:43 PM

look at the image I posted from their website.. I highlighted it for you. lol

peteyd

07-30-2006, 05:44 PM

look at the image I posted from their website.. I highlighted it for you. lol

:doh:

zer0

07-30-2006, 05:45 PM

http://zpiracing.net/oldnews.shtml

http://www.scigen.net/upload/files/1/zpipromise.gif

there.

Nick06tC

07-30-2006, 06:26 PM

and by august first doesnt mean on august first.

WeDriveScions

07-30-2006, 07:04 PM

Nick06tC

07-30-2006, 07:20 PM

and by august first doesnt mean on august first.

^ This is what I'm discussing... it's being made right and signifigant time and effort have been expelled to do the best a company can do... Argueing over "Definitions" and "Meanings" is beside the point. If there are tracking numbers by or on August 1st and you get your product... it's done... argueing over definitions that could be worked in either direction is fruitless from that point.

I don't have one product from ZPI, but can easily notice how much they've done on SL to help out owners and such... despite recent issues and such, Hillbilly has come in an done everything in his power to make things right... even customers who had issues have come back to realise that...

It was said to be made right, it is being made right, and if the products don't get shipped on August 1st, then address the concern.

-WDS

I agree its great they are making it right. But they made a promise, if they dont stick to that promise then they didnt stick to it. Its just another promise not kept. Thats if they dont keep it. They still have till tomorrow. I dont have products from them either and this is why.

If I owe Sears money BY August 1st and dont pay, then the payment is late. They dont forgive me if I make the payment on August 1st. This is business, not friendship. ZPI is a business that puts out great products and does ALOT for the scion community. But you cannot dismiss their faults for the convienence of being nice.

I hope that if anyone is even a minute late with their shipment that they hold ZPI to their word. If ZPI then honors their word without argument, ZPI's respect will be renewed partially in my book atleast.

TCgetonmylevel

07-31-2006, 04:32 AM

damn, i have always ignored this thread but felt like it could be different to read...man this is alot of drama!!! August 1st is approaching quick...

Streeter

07-31-2006, 02:38 PM

mod switch = off
customer switch = on

I really think that some of you guys are going for blood at this point regardless. If you get a tracking number on/before Tuesday, are you really going to grab your lawyers? :loser: Don't be the guy to screw over somebody despite their best efforts to do the right thing. WAAAAY more than I can say for ScionSpeed or tCTunerz when they were around. On this site it says "orders will be FILLED" and on their site it says "orders will be RECEIVED" - you guys do get the POINT of the statement, don't you? :eyebrow: (Zer0, you always posted the other quote before - what happened, buddy! :rofl:)

If I get a tracking number for my stage 1 parts on Tuesday and it doesn't get here until Friday, I'm not going to be all butthurt just over "the concept of the thing". They've made it pretty clear that things are going to be better from here on out. I'm pretty excited about this!!!

:nails:

On a side note, I was hoping they'd go to Scion Exposed in Chicago but when I called the shop to ask if they were going, they said they were too busy packing up our stuff and getting things ready to go - a "monsterous undertaking". Too bad they couldn't go - but good enough reason not to!

zer0

07-31-2006, 03:12 PM

(Zer0, you always posted the other quote before - what happened, buddy! :rofl:)

Explain,.. Only thing I posted about this situation is the image on their website. :tap:

Nick06tC

07-31-2006, 03:22 PM

Streeter

07-31-2006, 03:36 PM

(Zer0, you always posted the other quote before - what happened, buddy! :rofl:)

Explain,.. Only thing I posted about this situation is the image on their website. :tap:

PM'd

Understood. But how much better are things REALLY, if they made a promise of DELIVERED BY August 1st, and they fail to meet that? If they cant meet their own deadline with that much on the table, who says they can meet future shipping deadlines with just one order on the table? Thats a consumers way of thinking.

:rofl: That's pretty much exactly what I thought someone would say. If you really wanna get technical, the first thing they said was "filled". Refer here (http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=128218).

ERIC-TC

07-31-2006, 05:19 PM

I hope to have my mail-box "filled" with a Stage 0. Emanage, gaskets and other misc stuff that I ordered. This whole thing has been a horrible experience that I do not wish anyone to go through.

When you got this much money in limbo for so long and no alternatives it just wears you down after a while.

I guess the only one to blame is myself. It's all my fault...

Streeter

07-31-2006, 05:52 PM

I don't want anybody to go through what I did either - waiting for a year and a half to get boosted from 2 different companies. I'm really grateful that some good people stepped in (Brian @ Racingsolution and Kenny @ ZPI) and helped me out, or I'd have been completely screwed. I feel for ya, man!! I'm so excited to hear about when your car is boosted.

How is everybody else doing? I've heard of a lot of non-turbo orders having been shipped out and received already.

Nick06tC

07-31-2006, 07:41 PM