Well, what a journey this is turning out to be. 10 Hours later and I am still not finished. Thank god for family and friends is all I can say! I had the help from my father, and some club buddies today, HUGE thanks to Jon, Brad, and my Father! We got most of it done today and I am left with all the wiring tomorrow and I am praying that my favorite electrical guy Clay shows up tomorrow to help sort through this mess of colorful wire! For now, here it how it has gone................ Pics!

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I pray that tomorrow goes smooth with the wriring and that I will be driving my xB to work Monday morning! Wish me luck!

Nice!

This Brad would have helped out if he lived closer.

Geez, between Jon's graphics and other custom body work, and your SC, I'm jealous!

Thank's....... But I think my paint job looks hot too :clap:

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To bad it is out of focus :(

Oops, sorry, didn't realize you had custom two tone also.

looking good...what else do you have left to do?? Gonna convert over to a return line for your fuel? Any changes to your fuel setup?

looking good bro keep us posted!

Interested in seeing how the rest of this goes!

Once you get it up and going, I'd love to read any thoughts,
guides, or pitfalls you could help future S/C installers from
avoiding!

I'm still considering a turbo myself, but not sure I'm ready to
pay $5000 for someone else to do it.

what do you have to do to the wiring to get the kit to work properly?

I love your xB period. Supercharger and all!!!!

i want mine right now instead of waiting. LUCKY. lol good stuff bro.

As of right now, the fuel management is staying stock. The supercharger made by blitz was actually intended for a stock motor. I am not sure what the outcome would be by changing the fuel pump, fuel rail, and injectors. As far as the install goes, the instructions are pretty straight forward with the exception of no pictures of bolts and the lengths. You have to measure every bolt and have to do alot of page flipping back to the kit inventory section. I will explain alot more of the install once I finish everything up and my car is running. Gotta get back out there and finish up this wiring.

More to come............

Looks good. I would like to hear how happy you are with the performance gains. I wasnt that happy with the dyno sheet when I saw it. Looks good though and good luck with the wiring. Just take your time...

As of right now, the fuel management is staying stock. The supercharger made by blitz was actually intended for a stock motor. I am not sure what the outcome would be by changing the fuel pump, fuel rail, and injectors.
More to come............
Think about it, how is forcing A LOT more air into your intake mani safe w/out adding more fuel to compensate...you can still run w/out changing anything for fuel at low boost, but I would invest in a wideband monitoring system just to be safe. The outcome of chaging your pump, rail and injectors will result in you not running dangerously lean at higher boost levels.

Sc install = pain in the butt. :D

This is true, but there is also a fuel management box that wires into the ECU to componsate for more air so I am sure it is adjusting the fuel regulation to compensate for the increase in air. no?

Here's some I took:

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Forgive my newbie question. Does running a supercharger require you to run premium ga such as running a turbocharger?

This is true, but there is also a fuel management box that wires into the ECU to componsate for more air so I am sure it is adjusting the fuel regulation to compensate for the increase in air. no?
Ahh...didnt know about that, I scrapped my black box for the injectors, rail, pump and Camcon. Wait...does it come w/ the greddy Emanage or just some generic type black box unit?

Forgive my newbie question. Does running a supercharger require you to run premium ga such as running a turbocharger?
ohh yea

i'm drooling all over that set up!!! looks like you need more hands in those pictures :silly:

Think about it, how is forcing A LOT more air into your intake mani safe w/out adding more fuel to compensate...you can still run w/out changing anything for fuel at low boost, but I would invest in a wideband monitoring system just to be safe. The outcome of chaging your pump, rail and injectors will result in you not running dangerously lean at higher boost levels.
how much does the MAF compensate for?

It's done, and it sounds insane. :D

I'll let Brandon brag about it.

Well, I have gone through a quarter tank of gas with club buddies and me getting on it alot back home. I have to say, I love it. Is it giving me my moneys worth on Hp increase? Probably not for the value. Does it make it faster? Oh yea! Does it sound hot? Hell yea!

The fuel controller is a black box that plugs into the ECU.

The Shrot ram intake makes everything better in my opinion. Also I didn't set off any codes on the ECu thankfully.

So roughly about 15 hours to install everything. The wiring was not as bad as I thought it was going to be. Im thankful for that.

Now to go wash up cause I need a bath! All that work this weekend, plenty more time to enjoy my new S/C later!

do you mind taking pics from the driver side of the S/C??? all the pics i've seen is from the passenger side

If my camera wasn't dead on it's ___ right now I would. It needs to be charged and gotta find the charger :(

i'd just like to see the pics of the intake that it comes with and if it's possible to replace it wil a customized or regular cold air / short ram.

wow that looks awsome.... i love that setup, raced one on the higway though, and umm i beat it, actually untill he reached the hi boost level, then he flew past me like whoa.... lol.... i like that setup cuz it adds horsepower to make ya happy but also wont over power air ride suspension, which i want to do.... two thumbs up though great install and s/c......... :clap:

nevermind it looks as though you allready have the injen . sweet. then my aftermarket "L" pipe aem will still work. and it has to be better than the stock hot air sucked blitz intake.,

i'd just like to see the pics of the intake that it comes with and if it's possible to replace it wil a customized or regular cold air / short ram.

It doesn't come with an intake. He is using the YDR short ram he had before.

i can wait till it charges :) or later in the week

Yep YDR short ram intake with K&N filter, Blitz kit does not come with an intake.

what the hell is ydr intake ?

doesnt the blitz come with the foam filter that sits near the stock airbox location ?

either way good to know i can re-use my intake

what the hell is ydr intake ?



http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=69172&highlight=ydr+intake

hmm.... looks like an exact copy of the injen. ebay special. wish i wouldda seen that when i was searching for an intake.

If I didn't get my K&N for free I would get one.....lol

if possible can you please post some videos or audio of the thing running because I have never heard the blitz charger but I hear everyone say that it is awsome! grrrr I have my blitz charger just sitting in the living room but dont have the cash at the moment to install it :(

What cash do you need to install it?
It's got good directions and Brandon can point out stuff the directions missed.

It's done, and it sounds insane. :D

I'll let Brandon brag about it.

I'll second that. I've heard it and it sounds awesome! 8)

sorry i fergot to mention that it is a incomplete kit i got offa someone on this site i need to have a couple o things missing fabricated.

Man, I wish I could ride in an xA or xB w/ a Blitz SC!

I will try and get some video in the next couple days.

As far as installing I can pretty much point out most any question. Just let me know!!

This thing sound SICK! I heard his him driving a 1/2 mile away. This s/c is loud as hell! its so loud that you can't even hear the Strup exhaust when driving!

Brandon took me for a ride in it, and we started with the "switch" in the off position. we drove about a mile or so, and then turned around. He then flipped the switch and it sounded like a freakin demon under the hood! The low end get-up-and-go was deffinitly increased by the s/c. however the top end didn't impress me! i'm sure adding some fuel components would help out, i just dont think the facorty motor will hold enough boost for my tast.

loud enough to get pulled over.... great...

now all we need is a nice cover to make it look "stock" for daily driven use. then pop the cover off for show.

I really feel that the car needs tuned with the S/C. The ECU does not seem to adjust enough even with the fuel controller that came with the kit. At times if I stomp on it at a complete stomp, it bogs down like there isn't enough gas. Not sure if this is a fuel component issue or if this is a fuel management issue. Either way, I feel something needs to be done and I am looking for answers. Everything else is awesome so far. Just need to get my gauges installed now.

Any opinions?

I really feel that the car needs tuned with the S/C. The ECU does not seem to adjust enough even with the fuel controller that came with the kit. At times if I stomp on it at a complete stomp, it bogs down like there isn't enough gas. Not sure if this is a fuel component issue or if this is a fuel management issue. Either way, I feel something needs to be done and I am looking for answers. Everything else is awesome so far. Just need to get my gauges installed now.

Got the same problem...scrap the fuel setup you got for injectors, pump, rail, then a return line...adjust w/ Camcon or S-AFC on dyno...waiting for my dyno time. I get the sudden kick in the A$$ and it pulls real hard, then it will bog down and backfire...get a high flow cat also.

Was hoping for a simple fix, I don't have the funds for a while to do much of anything to my car. I am po now! :((

I did change out the plugs to Bosch Platinum +4's, but the book did say this S/C was made for a stock engine. I guess with the intake, header, and cat back exhaust may have changed alot?

How many duckets does this baby cost and how much HP gain??

[quote="xBtuner"]As far as the install goes, the instructions are pretty straight forward with the exception of no pictures of bolts and the lengths. You have to measure every bolt and have to do alot of page flipping back to the kit inventory section. quote]

I've seen it. $3800 for a Whipple for my truck. 28 page install manual, nada 1 friggin picture. Nor vac diagrams. The blitz looks pretty straight forward from where I'm sitting. If it's anything like the Whipple install manual I feel your pain.
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I paid way below normal price, and the cheapest I have found it for was like $3150. As far as HP gains, I couldn't tell ya other than it is around 30% gain. But for a car this weight, it pulls the car quit well. I am overall happy with it, just need to figure out how I can tune the air/fuel mixture without spending a ton of money.

Atleast I saved $800.00 installing it myself with MAJOR help from my club and family!

about how much does a return line system usually go for?

I'm not exactly sure how the black box thing works, but if its dumping to mush fuel in, then this would caus back fires, and possible bogs. i know this kit is designed for a stock motor, but that doesn't mean a header and exhause will make such a big diffrance you should bog down! i think what they are getting at is that the kit is "safe" for a stock motor, and mods will only help the HP gain.

Dyno is where the car needs tuned since you have no feedback on air.fuel ratio. And trust me... the a/f gauge is the biggest POS gauge ever made. if wanted to accuratly meter the a/f, you'd need a wideband O2. Other wise, tune it at the dyno and call it done! Where ever you have it dyno'd, they will have a wide band they'll stick in front of your Strup.

The Apexi SAFC is retarded. I had one on my Eclipse and i hated the damn thing. just the slight change of weather and i would have to adjust ____ just to get it to idle correctly. I ended up swapping that for a DSMLink (not an option for the XB obviously), which is a complete ECU swap and runs of a laptop. I haven't looked into the "tuning" of the XB a whole lot, but theres gotta be something out there better than the SAFC. Is the "black box" adjustable in any way, or is it just wired in and thats it?

It's just a black box with a little red LED saying that it's working. No way to actually tune it. It ties into 7 or 8 ECU connections. I double checked all my connections and everything is as it should be. I know that taking it to a dyno and having it tuned will cost some duckets. Not sure when this will happen :(

about how much does a return line system usually go for?
15ft of braided steel line=$90-$110
Perrin Fuel Rail= Close to $180 I think...dont remember
Fuel Press. Reg.= $140-160?
Earls AN fittings=$60-$90
Fuel Pressure Gauge=$30-$180

about how much does a return line system usually go for?
15ft of braided steel line=$90-$110
Perrin Fuel Rail= Close to $180 I think...dont remember
Fuel Press. Reg.= $140-160?
Earls AN fittings=$60-$90
Fuel Pressure Gauge=$30-$180

Running FI, then you'll definitely need a return line.

Vito, Stuart, Dave, and a few others here can tell you exactly how to do it.

Guess I will be running my B the way it is for a while. I don't have the cash to fork over for any more parts at the moment. I really would like to get this air/fuel resolved.

Donations gladly accepted lol!

what to do............

absolutely dont beat on your car...try to keep it at the lowest boost setting possible, Im lucky enough where I can keep my car in vacuum if its not running right. You really cant just slap on a turbo and s/c and expect it to run right off the bat. We have closed loop ecu's...anything but a standalone ecu is nothing but a bandaid for a temporary fix w/ these cars. Like I have been repeatedly saying, get yourself a wideband O2 sensor...get a credit card if you gotta and buy one cause if you cant afford to change your fuel setup, then your definitely not gonna be able to afford new internals if the worst happens.

Brandon,

How are you going to have your car tuned? you have nothing to tune it with! all your gonna do it make a few dyno runs and call it a day. theres nothing to make any adjustments on.

and like i said before...... you don't know that your running lean. why don't you call blitz and see if they can be of some help.


Blitz North America, Inc.
17300 Railroad Street Unit B
City of Industry, CA 91748, U.S.A.
Phone: (626) 839-8350
Fax: (626) 839-8340
Business Hours
Monday - Friday
9:00a.m. - 6:00p.m. PST

Email Us: Info@blitz-na.com

and like someone said... you can't expect to slap on a s/c or turbo onto a na car with out some kind of issues. hell... you don't even know how much boost your running. I know they say 6psi, but you can't prove that until you get your gauge in. (BTW.. when you get your gauges, bring your ___ over here so we can get them installed ASAP!) I hope you got an EGT gauge along with the boost gauge.

why would he need egt?

Well, my gauges got rescheduled for delivery and aren't getting to me until Friday :( I will try and get those in Friday nite before Slamboree, but not sure if I can do it. Clay when you get off Friday, you should stop by or maybe I could roll to your place?

I don't see why I need an EGT gauge. No need to really know my exhaust temp, maybe if I was running a turbo yes, but not with a S/C.

As far as tuning, I guess the best bet would be the CAM-Con but I don't know yet. Would I really need to get bigger injectors? I would think if you could tune the Air/Fuel per 500 rpm with the CAM-con you would be able to adjust it so that the mixture is set right. Remember, I am not trying to squeeze every lbs. of HP out os this engine, I just wanted it to be better than it was and to not kill my engine.

I emailed Blitz, waiting on a response. Been almost 2 days now and nothing.

Don't get me wrong, with the exception of this minor burp in the system, I still love driving my car more than ever now!

man... I was thinking Turbo AGAIN when i said EGT gauge.

I'm a turbo head :P

I'm just going to shut up with anything to do with a supercharger!

I live by my pyrometer. But I also have the ability to add and remove fuel and timing as wanted. From what I've seen this whole piggy back ecm thing is a little twisted to me.

Yup, Blitz is going thru a re-org. So if you want a Blitz SC, it may be best to find one now.

Prices will surely go up.

Blitz hasn't sent any containers in the last few months.

How do I know? I have a few items that have been backordered for quite some time.

Just found out that my fuel controller is the old one. Blitz is sending me the new one that corrects the Air/Fuel problem and is said to give 4-5 more HP. YAY! :pray:

Just found out that my fuel controller is the old one. Blitz is sending me the new one that corrects the Air/Fuel problem and is said to give 4-5 more HP. YAY! :pray:
Thats a good relief...let us know how it turns out.

thats great news! Hope that fixes the issue.

Well, finally got my new fuel controller from Blitz. I see a big difference in the power gain now, and throttle response is a ton better! Idling is better, and the air/fuel is right on spot now. No more bogging down on take off from overly rich mixture. As far as gas mileage, when I had the old fuel controller in I was getting about 200 miles to the tank :(( , but now that I have the new controller in.............well........... don't know yet but I will let you know after a tank or 2. I have only driven a couple of miles on the new controller.

More to come!

Alright Brandon :clap: I want a ride the next time we meet. Sounds like it's running like it should now.

Hey did Blitz charge you for the upgraded black box?
I bet your relieved that the black box swap fixed it. I think im gonna supercharge my xA. all this forced induction is making me want to get one soo bad. Go get on the dyno dude!

Marc, Would be glad to give ya a ride.

Just wish I had a stick rather than an AT. Blitz sent me the fuel controller free, just had to send them the old one to get it.

As far as Dyno, I am trying to get a dyno run set up with a friend of mine. I will see what I can do.

If there are any other flaws in the system I will post it here.

The dyno would be a waste of money at this point. I would recommend going to the dealer and ask a technician who is curious about your setup (every dealer has one!) to pull up a data list on the scan tool. Check short term and long term fuel trim. If they are less than + or - 7%, you need no adjustments at all. If they were 15% 0r greater, you would have a check engine light on. If you were closer I could do it for you easily. Any tech could probably be coaxed to do this for free if you asked nicely. Sounds like you're on the right track now though. :bow: :bow: :bow:

Damnit, I wanted to race you before you got it worked out. :D

I figured that Jon! That's why I didn't race you this past weekend on the way home lol! You would have beaten me for sure!

any chance of you getting some videos?

I'm also wondering if I'll be able to use my AEM L-pipe with the charger. How far is the Throttle Body relocated?

I wanna ride !!! I got a skinned knuckle or 2 helpin on that s\c !! and I was VERY glad to help !!

Well, I am having second thoughts now. Last nite my car ran great for that few miles that I drove. Getting up this morning and going to work something was seriously wrong. When the S/C kicked on it just bogged down, even worse than before. I am unsure if this is a wiring issue or not. I will double check all my connections this evening, but I am sure that everything is where it should be.

Talk about headaches. Had to drive to work with the S/C turned off it was so bad.....

More to come..

save yourself all the headaches and do what i told you before, thats the only sure fire way to tune it right...I know its expensive but it will ultimately give you long lasting results...not a quick fix.

Found out what the problem was. I connected the wrong wire on one of the connections.ooooops :nails: The Air Flow wire was connected to the O2 sensor wire on the ECU :no: , guess I counted the wires wrong.

S/C is running like a champ now. BUT........................................

Now I am hearing an interesting noise, kinda like a rattling noise in the engine bay. I turned the AC off and it got louder and then quit. Engine is running fine, then I turned the AC back on and wala! The rattling noise came back. I wonder if my AC is screwed up by the torque on the engine or something.

It is not a plesent sound and I am hoping that is not my head that I hear........ :pray:

More to come.......... as always! Please don't say I screwed something up on my engine! :pray:

the ac line is very close to rubbing the belt when the sc is hooked up so check that.

I have the AC line ziptied up to the frame away from the belt. I think the Bearing in the AC has crapped out from the torque on the belt? Sound plausible?

I have another question............... Do you all have a problem with the belt slipping around 5500 RPM when floored? I sure am and I can't get rid of it no matter how much I adjust the belt. I lose like 4lbs of boost after 6000 RPM. It is killing me!

Help me out!

lets get to the bottom of this. Someone help him out!

Well, after some more hours put into it, I have finally managed to get everything functioning right. Fuel Controller is working right, belt is no longer slipping, and the AC sound has vanished.

Belt just took alot of adjusting to find the sweet spot and now I keep boost through out the RPM range. At times hitting 10 psi of boost. Average boost is at 7 psi.

AC sound I never really figured out but it has gone away now that the belt was adjusted properly.

I am finally happy and the fact that I didn't dish out unwanted money on a camcon that really was not needed, just makes me feel relieved!

Time to enjoy it now!

sounds great if possible can you please upt some vids of the car running?

Yea I said I would do that before, I will see what I can do!

All this Jazz on the s/c is making me in the mood for one~ Might have to fly you out to help me install one once I sell my truck this weekend~

any news on the video yet?

Yeah lets see that movie!

I hope to get a burnout video soon. But we will see. My camera isn't doing so hot so I need the help of some clubbies :P

I would definately like to see the outcome and some final dyno numbers on your kit.. I am super new to the scion.. just got my xbox last sunday. I have run a few FI vehicles, and really want to do something fun to the box. I had a Jackson racing SC on my civic and it made good power, but it really had its limitations. I was ALWAYS adjusting/replacing belts.. but I really loved the on throttle power rite away. I also had an 02 WRX that had about 8k into upgrades.. Turbos are way addicting, and you can really get out of hand with an electronic boost controller.

I wish there was more support for the electronics in the box. I still have an AEM EMS from my civic.. I think I might hold on to it.. Might be using it in the box!

Please get some dyno numbers! :)

What kind of gas milage are you getting now? Has it changed much from stock?

dyno on a blitz supercharger with blitz intake and stock everything else is like 126 whp. with header , intake and full exhaust my guestimate would be about 135 whp or so.

..glad you got all the bugs fixed...

for a minute there i was thinking twince about the SC... but now i am amped to get one asap!!....

hows the gas mileage though???

Gas milage is not to bad, about 30-32mpg unless you are stepping on that thing under your feet hard all the time.

I'm in Tulsa. I own a Innovate LM-1 wideband o2 if you ever need any help man. We can hook it up and check your a/f. I use it to tune a lot of honda stuff here in town.

You can send me a message here on the forum if you are interested.

That's cool, but why aren't you in our club? lol

didnt know anything about it....i dont really post here very often...but I plan to up my activity here.

MOO VEE !!!

Im still waiting for a good opportunity on a moooooovieeeeee! lol

Im still waiting for a good opportunity on a moooooovieeeeee! lol

The car starts and drives right? thats all the oppurtunity that you need my friend.

Um.... you kind of need a video camera too. :silly:

Um.... you kind of need a video camera too. :silly:
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:rofl:

:rofl:

at least someone can take a joke. :)

Take it, hell I stole the pic to use in the future. :D

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i love this blower. it fits so nicely

If only I could get the coin for an upgrade like this. The xB desperately needs more umph.