The New biltz supercharger looks awsome!!!! i gotta get 1 when i get some cash

The New biltz supercharger looks awsome!!!! i gotta get 1 when i get some cash

I don;t know man, I am still worried about smog, I know we don't have to worry for a bit, but before you know it the papers come in and BAM smog required :cry:

Im gonna hold out for the revhard turbo.

Im gonna hold out for the revhard turbo.
Will they be C.A.R.B. legal? We suck on smog, here in cali! :evil:

The New biltz supercharger looks awsome!!!! i gotta get 1 when i get some cash

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The New biltz supercharger looks awsome!!!! i gotta get 1 when i get some cash

I don;t know man, I am still worried about smog, I know we don't have to worry for a bit, but before you know it the papers come in and BAM smog required :cry:

but isn't it that we have about 5 years? before smog on brand new cars? thats a long way for you to enjoy the turbo, then when smog test comes take it off and prolly do the maintenance(turbo), do i make any sense?
sid

The New biltz supercharger looks awsome!!!! i gotta get 1 when i get some cash

I don;t know man, I am still worried about smog, I know we don't have to worry for a bit, but before you know it the papers come in and BAM smog required :cry:

but isn't it that we have about 5 years? before smog on brand new cars? thats a long way for you to enjoy the turbo, then when smog test comes take it off and prolly do the maintenance(turbo), do i make any sense?
sid

Yeah prob...... stupid laws :roll:

Im gonna hold out for the revhard turbo.
Will they be C.A.R.B. legal? We suck on smog, here in cali! :evil:

Everyone knows a smog "GUY" you gotta pay to play i guess.

I smog my own car.

Here's how you do it.

Set up a video cam on a tripod. A stack of paint cans will suffice.

Start your car.

Wrap your lips around the tail pipe.

Remain in this position and time how long it takes to pass out.

Send video to the DMV.

Post video.....and DMVs response here on the message board.

Get laughed at.

KiL

The New biltz supercharger looks awsome!!!! i gotta get 1 when i get some cash

http://members.cox.net/hks/worthlessi agree we need pics!!

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anyone bought one yet?? :shock:

anyone bought one yet?? :shock:

Only one I know of is a white one in san diego.

what's the going rate for the blitz?

SMOG really shouldnt be of concernt other then not passing the visual. Since it's a clutch type supercharger, You can always turn it off like your A/C. That's one of the really cool things i liked about that kit.

Rafael

props to the "this thread is worthless without pics" dude

sweet.

why did u put Blitz turbo for the subject and its all about supercharger... :shock:
just curious?

Just was wondering what type of regular tuning requirements any bolt on SC would require and how expensive this would be. Any other mods that would be required like special spark plugs, gages that would not come in a typical kit such as Blitz? Also someone mentioned that the Blitz SC could be turned off. What exactly does this mean? Is there literally a switch on the dash?

Just was wondering what type of regular tuning requirements any bolt on SC would require and how expensive this would be. Any other mods that would be required like special spark plugs, gages that would not come in a typical kit such as Blitz? Also someone mentioned that the Blitz SC could be turned off. What exactly does this mean? Is there literally a switch on the dash?

Yes there is a knob that you can turn off, half, or all the way. Ill dig through my pics and see if I can find it.

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It controls the throttle response.

The only thing i have against the revhard turbo kit is that it comes with an intake and i just bought one so that's a turn off. But the blitz you can use your intake, buy a header, have different levels of boost, and overall i think you'll have more power than the revhard by far with those mods.

The only thing i have against the revhard turbo kit is that it comes with an intake and i just bought one so that's a turn off. But the blitz you can use your intake, buy a header, have different levels of boost, and overall i think you'll have more power than the revhard by far with those mods.
ok first of all with a turbo kit you can have any level of boost you want you just can't go lower than the wastegate is set, a supercharge is set for one boost level, the boost level of a supercharger is determined by the size of the pulley so unless you happen to have a pulley that can magically chnage size you aren't gonna be able to adjust the boost of a supercharger without changing the pulley, and second you will see more horsepower with the turbo setup b/c you can adjsut your boost and i'd be willing to bet thay 7psi from the turbo will be more power than 7psi from the supercharger and also you will get less lag with the turbo

for some reason i thought boost on a supercharger is more powerful than a turbo.. if a s/c is boosting 6psi and a turbo is boosting 6psi... wouldn't the s/c'd car be faster because it's all through out the rpms? plus supercharger looks cleaner on these cars cause there's not much room for a turbo setup. supercharger looks nice just sitting in front of the engine. :D

for some reason i thought boost on a supercharger is more powerful than a turbo.. if a s/c is boosting 6psi and a turbo is boosting 6psi... wouldn't the s/c'd car be faster because it's all through out the rpms? plus supercharger looks cleaner on these cars cause there's not much room for a turbo setup. supercharger looks nice just sitting in front of the engine. :D
well it depends on the size of the turbo and supercharger you are using, it depends on the flow and effiecency of the chargers, and a super charger is not faster , generally, and here is why, a supercharer produces linear boost, a supercharger will start spooling low but will never hit full boost until redline, that is how they work, while a turbo charger will hit full boost at say 3k and hold full boost all the way till redline, so let's say your turbo car at 4k is at 7psi holding till redline your supercharged car might be a 2psi at 4k and won't hit 7psi till redline

[quote=allblackxb]

you will get less lag with the turbo

couldnt understand that..

i think he means less lag with a s/c..

or less lag with a smalle turbo...

one or the other.

i'am going with the s/c myself

i don't see too many top fuel/funny cars running turbos.
i know the scion isn't a drag car, but i like blowers/superchargers better.
linear power and better launches.

[quote=allblackxb]

you will get less lag with the turbo

couldnt understand that..

i think he means less lag with a s/c..

or less lag with a smalle turbo...

one or the other.
a supercharge has more lag than a turbo , as i said earlier a supercharer will not be at full boost till redline, it slowly build boost, a turbo takes a few thousand rpms but then it kicks in and has full boost all the way to redline, my friend had a supercharger on his gti and i didn't like it, it was fast as hell up top but down low it wasn't all that, he didn't start seeing boost till 4k while my jetta with a turbo has full boosted by 3k and held it all the way to redline

http://images.snapfish.com/33%3A3239523232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E2329%3D693%3D693%3DXROQDF%3E23234%3B9%3B55259ot1lsi

It controls the throttle response.

Hey hey, there's my baby!!

I'm running the Blitz S/C kit in my dealer's project car right now. It's awesome...lots of fun and so far we haven't had any problems with it.

Having the clutch switch is really neat...it's nice being able to run it N/A and control the % of throttle response.

I had a link up here before to my imagestation account with lots of pics, I'll see if I can dig it up.

Drew

a positive displacement supercharger pumps a fixed amount of air for every revolution, and delivers instant boost even at low rpm.

positive displacement superchargers are both continually under drive and also delivering boost at all rpm

A positive displacement supercharger has great advantages in lower end delivery - more power at lower rpm equals less strain on the engine.

From: http://www.coloradocobras.com/whipple/superchargers/roots-superchargers.html


The main advantage of a Roots Supercharger is that there is immediate and proportional response to the throttle, because the blower is always spinning and its pumping ability increases proportionately and linearly with engine speed. Therefore, a Roots Supercharger makes the most low RPM power of any Forced Induction system.


From: http://www.musclecarclub.com/library/tech/forced-induction.shtml

What this means is that roots
superchargers are very capable of making large amounts of
boost even when engine rpms are very low.This makes for
great low-end and midrange power, and also makes them
great for trucks and towing vehicles.

From: http://www.aerosuperchargers.com/Documents_and_images/Supercharger%20Basics_3.31.pdf



To the best of my knowledge, the blitz kit is a positive displacement style charger (aka, roots supercharger). IE.....full boost at low RPM.......ie........more low end power.......ie.......less lag.......ie.....quicker off the line. Downfall? Parasitic power loss in your high end.

Describing the behavior of a turbo charger is one thing.......because for the most part....a turbo is a turbo is a turbo (there's some variation in types, but in general, they all act roughly the same). However, you have to be careful when describing the behavior of a supercharger.........because there are different types of superchargers, and each one acts differently (roots, centrifugal, twin screw).

Peppy.......what you've said may be true in regards to centrifugal style superchargers such as the Power Enterprises charger (basically a turbo that is belt driven). A centrifugal acts more similarly to a turbo.....building boost with RPMs.

KiL

Peppy.......what you've said may be true in regards to centrifugal style superchargers such as the Power Enterprises charger (basically a turbo that is belt driven). A centrifugal acts more similarly to a turbo.....building boost with RPMs.

KiL
yes you are right, most of my experience is with centrifugal supercharges, but roots chargers are also linera boost and i'm not a fan of linear boost, boost takes longer to build with a supercharger

Superchargers are more responsive on street cars hands down......

with supercharger you dont have to rey to 3k and drop the clutch cause the power is there all the time with a supercharger....

Ive seen too many races where supercharged cars pull harder off the line then turbo cars cause the turbo car ws spining tires when they dropped the clutch....

I know spining tires is "cool" but not so "cool" when money or a reputation is on the line...

\\\KA///

Go for a ride in a roots supercharged car and you will have nothing more to say about them not having low end power. They get right up and go. Centrifugal superchargers behave pretty much how you're describing Peppy. From what you've said you'd probably love a roots style in a Scion. I've put a jackson supercharger on a new Civic Si and an Alpine SC on a Tiburon V6 which are both roots style and they give the cars an almost electric feeling with how the power is right there. Super fun street driving.

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It controls the throttle response.

Hey hey, there's my baby!!

I'm running the Blitz S/C kit in my dealer's project car right now. It's awesome...lots of fun and so far we haven't had any problems with it.

Having the clutch switch is really neat...it's nice being able to run it N/A and control the % of throttle response.

I had a link up here before to my imagestation account with lots of pics, I'll see if I can dig it up.

Drew

i dont understand what thats for?

a turbo is harder on the engine because it boosts at a certain rpm when a s/c is constant power as the engine revs. No need to spool up a s/c. I would go with s/c all the way on a scion

Some guy on cardomain has an echo hatchback with a blitz compressor, with a header, plus exhaust, running high 14's and i typed to him he says he does 0-60 in about 6.9 seconds. He has low profile tires on 15's, so speedo might be off. But 6.9 is respectible. He has a 5 speed.

I know spining tires is "cool" but not so "cool" when money or a reputation is on the line...

\\\KA///

Or Pink Slips.

For those of us who live life a quarter mile at a time anyway.

Some guy on cardomain has an echo hatchback with a blitz compressor, with a header, plus exhaust, running high 14's and i typed to him he says he does 0-60 in about 6.9 seconds. He has low profile tires on 15's, so speedo might be off. But 6.9 is respectible. He has a 5 speed.

hypothetically speaking... what do you think someone would run with short ram intake, headers, cat-back exhaust w/ 2.25" piping, on 18's on an xA?

in the process of a getting a loan for the compressor, so hopefully i'll have it within a couple months. :D

don't really want a turbo cause these cars can't go past 120 cause of the gear ratios, 5th gear will only pull you to 120 before it hits the rev limiter or redlines, so why not just build up your bottom end power? seems better that way.

How much does something like this cost?

Not to mention this car isnt built for that kinda boost. The cost alone of building the bottom end, remapping the fuel system and worrying about blowing your engine every tim you run just turns me off of a turbo system in a scion. I just cant see that kinda cash dropped into the car as logical. Maybe I will change my tune later on when there are people exploring the limits of the car but for now I will go with the reliable 40 to 50 percent gain.

Jason

I JUST WANT A BLITZ COMPRESSOR! NO MONEY!

SMOG really shouldnt be of concernt other then not passing the visual. Since it's a clutch type supercharger, You can always turn it off like your A/C. That's one of the really cool things i liked about that kit.

Rafael

hey maybe you can put it on a switch like the a/c lol

were would u put the Blitz Switch? drill a hole in the dash and put it there? that would lower resale value if u wanted to keep and sell ur S/C seperatly, and i hear about problems w/ the Automatic, whats the problems?

I know that it has no relation to this......or not much...... I just pictured a supercharger like in Mad Max, where he flipped a switch........pulleys kicked in and BAM..........supercharged :shock:

ok issues lol

wow, there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. A s/c does not have lag. I think u mean time til full boost. I've seen turbos that dont start spooling up until 4.5-5k on hondas so the comment that a s/c has more lag than a turbo is completely wrong. Granted I doubt u'll see a sc61 turbo or such on a xA or xB anytime soon though. Turbo size has a huge effect on lag.

Really would anyone turn off the s/c with that switch? I think the idea of having that button is rediculous.

With my experience you will make more hp per lb of boost with a turbo on an engine of this size. You may get 120-130 whp out of the xA or xB with a s/c w/ a 10 lb pulley. With a decent sized turbo (16G-18G-T3) you will make well over 150whp. Granted if both are tuned probably. If someone figures out how to fit a celica gts motor in one of these scions it'll crush anything u can do with the stock motor.

I'm pretty new to the scions. What kind of engine mangement comes with these s/c & turbo kits? I was looking at the tC recently, with a t3t4 turbo and the right engine management I bet u could get it over 300+whp. Are there any aftermarket ecu mods (such as hondata for hondas- utec for subarus) for the scions yet? AEM EMS?

but are there any problems with an auto

but are there any problems with an auto

if u add a decent sized tranny cooler (not sure if it already has one) you shouldn't have many problems.

This idea isn't for everyone but why not create your own turbo kit. Instead of paying 3-5k for a s/c or t/c you could build you own for a lot less. A friend of mine built a turbo kit for a del sol that cost him under $200 and he is running low 15's. It is a honda though, but a scion shouldn't be that much harder to fabricate.

You would need a custom exhaust manifold made unless some of these companys are going to start selling them seperate of the kits they sell. Any header for a scion would be a great starting point. Pick any decent size turbo (there are plenty to choose from in stock cars in the junkyard or new online). Buy a bunch of prebent 180deg piping and cut to fit for the i/c. The only problem i would see is finding a way to tune the car once you have it all completed.
If they have a return fuel system a safc would would well or even a crappy fmu would work.
With alittle work and fabrication you would make a decent gain in power w/o spending so much of your $$$