We Want a 6th Speed Manual

We Want a 6th Speed Manual
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thats one way to get someones attention. Unfortunatly, your not going to get Toyota's that way.

You need to state the reasons for it and then give Toyota a reason to do it in the first place.

Who is we?
Is there a list of we's?

You'll need more then that to make a case.
Also, since your really not stating any good reason, a one sentance thread doesn't really make a lot of sense.

unforunatly everytime people start posting reasons for wanting a 6 speed some shmuck crawls out from under a rock and tries to argue why it wont ever happen dragging the thread off topic until its them insulting everyone who disagrees with them.

The only reason that someone would want a 6 speed is because they want to say they have 6 gears.

Even lancer evo's don't have 6 speeds(unless you buy the MR)

99 % of the time your car would top out higher in 5th then 6th.(which you should never hit anyway in the states)

Most cars with a 6th gear cruise at a higher RPM then thier 5 speed counterparts.

Having 6 gears takes longer to shift and slows you durring a drag race.(Due to more off the throttle time even thought it might be less then a second total, thats enough)

Shift gates are closer making a misshift VERY easy. esspecially if your inexpierienced. (look at the celica GT-S and RSX type-S. Even the Spev-V can be close at times)

There are a lot of reasons that Toyota wouldn't put a 6 speed in another car. there are very few reasons they would.

I just posted what I posted first because "We want a 6 speed manual" is NOT a thread nor does it signify any inteligence toward the topic. I've seen 4 year olds come up with better arguments and statements.

If people have good reasons for a 6 speed then I'd like to see them. I'm just stating the reasons you'll get for NOT having one and every reason IS valid.

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. I just want to make a valid point.

no, we don't. we don't need a 6-speed transmission. the car is tuned great, but most people think it is better to have a 6th gear which is not always the case.

My thoght isn't so much "We need a 6-speed, as much as "we need some better gear ratios somewhere..)

WE NEED A 6TH GEAR!!!

Then go buy a car that dose god be happy with what you have or save your money and buy what you want.

pfffffffffffff for what ur 150hp engine lmao lmao

pfffffffffffff for what ur 150hp engine lmao lmao
My soon to be 300hp engine... beeeyaach :P


Anyway, if you drove a tC then you would understand. I like the way the gear ratios are with 5th having good passing power. But once I hit highway speeds of 80 mph Im at 4000+rpm!!!

The 2007 model year should have a 6th speed "Option"

A 6th (higher) gear would allow me to "Cruise" at lower rpm's generating less wear on the engine and better GAS MILEAGE! Better for the enviornment, better for the nation, better for my pocket, etc...
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so you want to go faster than any posted speed limit in the country, spend more money on the car to save money on gas and im betting that your saving about 2-3 more MPG with a 6 speed. Why cause you put a turbo in your car so you can burn it out by 2007 and you want scion to make you a 6 speed to replace it. And yes I do drive a Tc and no I dont think it needs a 6 speed.

so you want to go faster than any posted speed limit in the country, spend more money on the car to save money on gas and im betting that your saving about 2-3 more MPG with a 6 speed. Why cause you put a turbo in your car so you can burn it out by 2007 and you want scion to make you a 6 speed to replace it. And yes I do drive a Tc and no I dont think it needs a 6 speed.

Then go buy a car that dose god be happy with what you have or save your money and buy what you want.

Justin, you sound a bit frustrated and disgruntled... chill out man.

First off, speed limits don't pertain to me at the track. I am a driving enthusiast, I'm not into audio or bling... The RSX has a 6 speed and I enjoyed the way it felt. But I love the tC.
Even at your guess of what 2-3 mpg amounts to, that still about $8 bucks a pop. At about 1 tank a week for me, that's over $400 a year. At least little bit more money would be going to Toyota for the part and not in the pockets of oil tycoons.
What do you mean burn it out with a turbo? If you mean the clutch then yeah maybe (it's rated at 300hp) , but I'm talking about the 'transmission'. Scion would not replace my clutch for me...

I never said that the tC "Needs" a 6th speed. I am merely stating that I feel an 'option' for a 6th speed manual transmission would appeal to driving enthusiasts who love it.

Why would you want to take that away from them? :yawn:

Just because your at a higher RMP doesn't mean your using more fuel.

I cruise at 75 to 80 mph and I'm getting about 34 mpg at almost 4000 rpm.
If I'm going 65 and I'm at 3300 rpm I'm only getting 25to 26 mpg. (not a toyota)

It's not the RPM your at, It's how hard your engine is working to keep you at that speed. Your right in your powerband and thats how toyota designed it. your engine might be spinning faster but it's not working as hard.

Also, your asking about engine life in a toyota? You need to do more research. Your car is NOT the first to spin the engine that fast at highway speeds in the toyota lineup.

unforunatly everytime people start posting reasons for wanting a 6 speed some shmuck crawls out from under a rock and tries to argue why it wont ever happen dragging the thread off topic until its them insulting everyone who disagrees with them.
WERD..I started the original post.........got lots people from under a rock :eyebrow:

you always do, no idea why those opposed just can't shut the hell up. all those who want it DON'T CARE what all your insignificant "why nots" are. My Jeep.... 6speed .. need it? nope! like it? yup. Do I go around telling people about it when it's totally off topic? nope. would anyone else? probably not. Does the thing drive better on the interstate than the same year/model with a 5spd? ALOT better.

you always do, no idea why those opposed just can't shut the hell up. all those who want it DON'T CARE what all your insignificant "why nots" are. My Jeep.... 6speed .. need it? nope! like it? yup. Do I go around telling people about it when it's totally off topic? nope. would anyone else? probably not. Does the thing drive better on the interstate than the same year/model with a 5spd? ALOT better.


right on! :P

Option Wagon had an article about a 6MT swap into a Toyota FunCargo. I have yet to figure out where the trans came from And if it's still the same 1.5 motor. I'll be checking on this, but there apparently is some sort of swap. Keep your eyes peeled cuz I find out.

So true...

Why waste my time arguing with such disgruntled haters. There is no way that you can claim there would be more cons than pros for a well built Toyota 6 Speed manual for those who would want the option. To each their own.

Interesting how the tC automatic's highest gear runs 1000 rpm less at highway speeds than the highest gear for the manual. Interesting how it gets a few more miles to the gallon as well.

Dont get me wrong, I love the current gear ratios for the Tc Manual. But a adding higher gear (ie: 6th gear) for cruising highway speeds would be welcome by more people than you might think.

more horses is what is really need before we talk about a 6th gear IMO.

No seriously WE NEED A 6spd manual.
O test drove an xB yesterday and it was geared WAY to short....at 65mph I was at 3,5k RPMS?!?! either install a 6spd or revise the gearing.
Please add a 6th gear because the short gearing make it so damned fun...the sixt gear would be for curising porposes only. gear it so you could cruise [65mph] at 2,5K like in my 9-5 AERO. Mileage would increase astronomically

you have an 9-5 aero. i so jealous right now. if i could afford one i would have bought a 9-3 but the GM discount came after i got a big pay raise . i may still trade my tc for one if gm continues it on the 06 model 23k its a done deal in my book.

I'm actually trying to sell the SAAB to get the SCION..as funny as that may sound. I just want to get the Xb and mod the hell out of it. Something I can't do to my SAAB...plus I'm dieing for a manual.

to add to the list of cars that HAVE a 6-speed (in addition to my Jeep I already mentioned) - cars that HAVE one, but many who can't just stand it long enough to shut up, would argue don't NEED it (no car NEEDS a 6-speed. - but EVERY example given is a better driver than it's 5-speed sibling).

ALL HAVE AN AVAILABLE 6-SPEED MT, ALL HAVE/HAD A 5SPD VERSION ALSO. Now I know there are even more, but off the top of my head from cars that've been through the shop...

Wrangler, Miata, Sentra, S2000, Golf, Jetta, TT, Mini Cooper, Tiburon, Mustang, Camaro, Vibe/Matrix, Beetle, Celica, Impreza WRX, RSX, NSX...

Not ALL are in the same "class" as an xB (sorry to take away the first arguement for the _____ers) - and it's not the point. Point is MANY cars come in 5 AND 6 speed configurations .. and EVERY SINGLE ONE is a better performer with the 6 over the 5.

.....now let the baseless, pointless and quickly ignored counter-arguements begin again.

I am 50 yrs old and have driven manuals most of my life and the xb, (even though I love it!!) feels like it needs a 6th year. I am always trying to shift into higher gear. that is my only compaint about my box.

i wish i had a 6th gear in my TC, it feels like i can shift one more time when im at highway speeds

I agree. When I'm hitting 70 or so I really want to shift from 5th to 6th gear.

Where does it end? If you had a 6th gear you'd be clamoring for a 7th. It's like razors. Everyone thinks more blades are better. Sorry but it's just not the case. There comes a point when more is not better. Way back when, I drove a '79 Plymouth TC3 that had only 4 gears! Gas mileage did not suffer because of it. As previously stated, gas mileage has to do with how hard the engine works not necessarily how high the rpm's are.

It's like razors. Everyone thinks more blades are better.

My Schick Quattro shaves closer and smoother than my Mach 3, so there. :P


The point is, it could just be made into an OPTION, that way everyone is happy and each person can have their choice. If you think it's a dumb idea, then don't pay for the 6th gear and shut up. If you want it, get it. nuff said.

an optional 6th gear would add production costs and thereby raise the cost of both trannys- thx but no thx

another detractor who knows not what they speak of. My base model '05 Dodge Ram beater truck with the plastic floors... 6spd. Standard. Does it benefit from it? bet your azz it does. Drive 10x better than the '03 did with the 5spd. As the same (aforementioned) new Wrangler... night and day difference from the 5 to the 6spd.

A 60's model muslce beast with a 4 spd (or less!) ... had a few... and no... they don't NEED 6 gears in them... but when you also have 1960's hp and torque.. motor aint exactly screaming for better power transfer either.

why is it everyone thinks they can convince people that it's perfectly unharmful to run a motor for endless hours at 4, 5k rpm... as said... don't like it... THEN DON'T GET IT.

As far as "where does it end" ... hmm... well Im thinking maybe when you aren't driving a buzz saw down the interstate. If you are turning 2500 at 65/70... no one short of an idiot, thinks to themselves "gee... if I could only get the RPM's down to 1200 at this speed...." So yes Margaret, there is an end.

The only reason that someone would want a 6 speed is because they want to say they have 6 gears.

Even lancer evo's don't have 6 speeds(unless you buy the MR)

99 % of the time your car would top out higher in 5th then 6th.(which you should never hit anyway in the states)

Most cars with a 6th gear cruise at a higher RPM then thier 5 speed counterparts.

Having 6 gears takes longer to shift and slows you durring a drag race.(Due to more off the throttle time even thought it might be less then a second total, thats enough)

Shift gates are closer making a misshift VERY easy. esspecially if your inexpierienced. (look at the celica GT-S and RSX type-S. Even the Spev-V can be close at times)

There are a lot of reasons that Toyota wouldn't put a 6 speed in another car. there are very few reasons they would.

I just posted what I posted first because "We want a 6 speed manual" is NOT a thread nor does it signify any inteligence toward the topic. I've seen 4 year olds come up with better arguments and statements.

If people have good reasons for a 6 speed then I'd like to see them. I'm just stating the reasons you'll get for NOT having one and every reason IS valid.

I'm not trying to be a smart a$$. I just want to make a valid point.

You made hardly any valid points.
A celica GT cruises higher in 5th gear than my GTS did in 6th.
You also stated that just because you are cruising at 4K rpm @80mph you arent burning anymore fuel. So youre saying that if I had a 6th gear on my xB and I could then cruise at a lower RPM at 80mph that Id be burning the same amount of fuel? interesting...

You think an engine that turns 4K rpms all the time is going to outlast a motor that turns 2800 at the same speed?

a 6spd does not hurt you in drag racing vs a 5spd counterpart.
first and second gear will usually be identical. Changes in gear ratio will not occur until third gear which is where the 6spd will pull on the 5spd. quarter mile runs are usually over shifting into 4th or a second or so afterwards.....

A 6th would kickass!, although the tC is tuned nicely as is.
If a 6th gear was there, it'll have to be combined with more power (i.e. 2.5L V6 AWD 6spd).

A sixth gear would be nice. I don't know about you guys, but when I've on the highway, and cruising at 85mph, the drone from the engine turning at such high RPMs is annoying.

Not to mention the gas mileage drop from going so fast. If I do 65-70mph, I can easily get over 30mpg. Any faster (say - hours of cruising at 85mph), my mileage drops to an abismal 26mpg.

Adding a tall 6th gear would help alleviate excessive engine drone, and allow MPG numbers to go higher.

Just one problem with this, guys.

There is a reason why Toyota gave the xB/xA shorter final drive ratios than the Echo. They need more RPMs at all speeds in order to overcome the additional weight.

You all need to have a look at the powerband for this engine.

The problem with your 6 speed pipe dream is that at 2500-3000 RPM the engine is not going to be generating enough torque to keep the car moving up even a small incline at 75-80 mph and you can forget about passing on the highway in 6th gear.

What you'd have is essentially an extra gear you would probably only use at high speed on level highways when you aren't trying to pass or accelerate. In the end it would buy you maybe 2 mpg, if that and on top of that it would add enormous cost to building these cars because Toyota would have to do the R&D and design and build a new transmission for this engine.

I don't like roaring along at 4k at 80 mph anymore than you guys do, but I accept it as a necessary evil. If it's really making you nuts, consider swapping in an Echo final drive. I think the Echo's have something like 3.90:1 as opposed to the xB's 4.30:1. That should give you the drop in RPM's you're looking for (along with the drop in performance I forecast, unfortunately)

The Xb definately could use a 6th speed for cruising. Yes you would have to d/s to pass. I had a 91 MR2 and it had the same ratio 60mph at 3k and it needed a 6th too. I know of many who changed to a 6 speed and got better milage. It wouldnt hurt to make sure you do a little aftermarket power boosting before putting in a 6 speed though.

The main thing to remember is this Toyota is not the only ones that make transmissions. Instead of posting "I wish you gave me this option" lets start emailing aftermarket companies that specialize in transmissions and can develope one at lower cost and tell them there is a market for this.

the arguements "against" are all mute and 99.9% of those arguing against it have zero clue what they are talking about - although they seem plenty impressive enough being able to talk out their asses with such skill.

A full OEM swap's been done. end of story.

downshifting is not needed anymore than already neccesary with the stock 5spd. Performance drop turns out to be a myth, any effects are only really measurable by machine. Long story short - every dumbass, full-retarded, half-witted, braindead, idiot arguement AGAINST the conversion - turned out to be just that.

For future note - if ya don't know of that which you speak of - STFU! Armchair mechanics and racers need to learn to just zip it up sometimes.

No - I wont go into details about the how's, who, what's and where's of the swap, don't PM about it. Call my "bluff" if you like - there's always some idiot in the crowd that yells 'photoshop'.

....oh wait... I must be full of crap... this was an 'impossible' swap, it's a 'useless' swap, it could never be done, it would kill the performance, you could never maintain speed on the interstate....

SO - basically, the answer to the whole thread. It's been done. It works fine. Now figure it out yourself. Those who know are tired of having their ability challenged by 17y.o. armchair racers.

Send one of those this way, Ill take a 6 speed anyday, no matter what the arguement against them might be.

isnt their a 6speed we coud steal off another toyota or lexus that would work??? i want a 6th, that be kinda fun :)

isnt their a 6speed we coud steal off another toyota or lexus that would work??? i want a 6th, that be kinda fun :)

Okay kids. Since you cant play nice, thread locked, posts edited and warnings sent.