thats it. any suggestions?

air runner

air runner

^^^^^^^ Ditto.

any links for the airrunner kit? i just need the fronts..got contitech bags for the back!

im poor....:(

second best? fbi kit?

i got universal air system.... just like that axis xb (cartoon)
but from what i know.. air runner its reall good

ok...bringin this back up.

airrunner - no - cant afford it

easy street - no - NO

any other airride systems recommended out there?

air runner

^^^^^^^ Ditto.

I must agree with these 2. But thats 'cause im biased. :P :P :lalala: :lalala: :lalala:

hmm, how much am i looking at for a installed and ready to go airrunner airbag setup on the front and back?

ok. i totally would get the airrunner kit, but i dont have $4000 to spend on air suspension. and i dont think i will for a while. so are there any other possible options?

The Air runner kit is $3k. :)

yo i waz lucky enuff 2 witness tha 1st xB wid airruners here in tha states...THAT $h!T was SICK!!...n it waz put on a RS2

The Air runner kit is $3k. :)


really? thru who?

autofashion......

not positive, but pretty sure.

dude u dont need to buy the airrunner kit, its not worth it and it costs way too much, EasyStreet's setup is dope, i have it on my car, everything bolts on with no problems, they have a universal air strut that will fit but i think u have to do a lil fab on it, also if u know someone whos really good with bags and knows what they are doin, u can take ur stock strut and fab a bag to it, just like easystreet but u dont have to buy it already done, but i recommend that you go with the EasyStreet setup, i spent, 250 for the back setup, 500 for the front struts, and valves, tank, compressor, ect, i bought from different places, i spend total about 1300 for my whole setup and my install was only 350 cause there was no Fab Work that had to be done, if u wanna know more just e-mail me or something, or im me my s/n is LayedOutScion08@aol.com later dog....

I did my set up on a rs2.0back in feburary of this year... I didn't like airrunners kit or FBI...I went with Uniair struts out of sol cali...and had no problems..at all..spent nothing my friend invented the kit years ago..I bought the first xb in lat 03 and did the air ride back the and protyped the kit...and then bought the rs2.0 and had to bag that one too..

ive spent about a total of 1300 on my air ride kit; it's an easystreet kit, installed it myself, and it works great; ive got 8 valves (so 10 switch lowrider box) 5 gal tank, vi 380c comp; etc et c. pix at www.fotki.com/scionnighthd and www.fotki.com/jugnu03 -- any q's, pm me, iono if ill find this page again --

autofashion......

not positive, but pretty sure.

yeah autofashion did it...yeah there are way cheaper kits out there but iono how tha other bags work but tha airruners come up n down slow...not fast like lowrider style lol

air runner

not worth it and way too over priced. You can get ALL the same, most likely better, parts through FBI and suicidedoors.com. The struts may look good, but we never hear how good they really are, except for the price.

FBI Rear brackets and a universal 2500lb bag (firestone or contitech) work the best.

The Easy Street front set up works best as well, bolts right in with no fab needed. Know how to get around any problems and you are set, I think EasyStreet has started to fix their problems and have fixed em.

My 2 cents, don't do FBSS, for such a flexible car and unibody, FBSS could damage the frame or whatever you wanna call it on this car.

Part everything piece by piece and you will spend at least half the cost on bagging it compared to what air runner would cost you.

The way I see Air Runner, is like buying a super fast computer through Dell with unknown computer parts inside it. Where you can buy the parts piece by piece for a lot cheaper that are well known through MANY people that do air suspension set ups.

Just my 2 cents.

^ very well agreed; side to side isnt so important; piecing together saves money; and i might even change over to the fBI setup as well for the rear; though no real problems w/easystreet yet: theyve done an absoloutley fantastic job of fixing any mistakes w/me

well a guy here has an fbi front set up and he says that the front rattles...here's exactly what he said about the FBI fronts...

"Now I am dealing with the infamous rattling shocks and having to return the shocks at MY expense in shipping for a problem that is not mine"

and i always see these easystreet complaints. so now im all kinds of confused :doh:

i am running airlift (eaystreet) front air struts and haven't had a single problem with them. They do make a little noise but last time i talked to Aaron from Easystreet they were in the proccess of fixing that issue. The Easystreet rear bags are ____! there are many people that have had alot of bad luck with the sleeve backs for the rear! and then alot of people that have had good luck, so its up to you. I wouldn't trust them, but thats only because i've had to replace the rear kit TWICE. I'm now using slams in the rear with the FBI brackets. i kinda wish i would have got the 2500 bags, so the rear would drop lower. The slams have a bump stop in them so they won't completly flatten out at full drop. this increases the life of them (so they say), because the center won't crease and tear or blow out after time. i'm going to work on getting the rear to go lower this winter. one of the many winter projects for the XB.

hope this help. oh.... and i would buy all of your air management seperatly. its cheaper that way, and you can pick and choose what you want. i have a switch box that has 7 switches in it, and fits in my hand. it also had an input which i hooked up t my alarm, so i can pankace my XB via my alarm fob! not that is the shizz!

anyone running their compressors and/or tanks on the outside? what is it that makes the most noise?

everything's underneath for me. the compressor makes the most drone; and i wouldnt put my valves inside. ever. thats me though

everything's underneath for me. the compressor makes the most drone; and i wouldnt put my valves inside. ever. thats me though

why wouldnt you put the valves inside?

is this all i would need?
compressors
relay for compressors
stainless steel lines
air tanks with 8 1/2" Ports
connect fittings
valves
front/rear setup
switch box

another note, do NOT buy anything through AIM.

if i run an airirde setup i'm going to piece everything from FBI. The front struts from EasyStreet and the rear FBI brackets + 2500lb firestone bags. from there just the compressor, tank, valves, switches. I'm still learning about it all though.

Would the firestone rear bags last a long time?

Also what is that adjustment on the bottom of the easystreet struts? for dampening of the shock?

I would go with Firestone or Slam Specialities bags, weve had better luck with the SS bags though..

i heard that the FBI brackets don't work with the SS bags... only Firestone and Contitech

i dont understand why people always say dont do side to side. either they believe it will mess something up or it wont work. i have had it for over ten thousand mile and it works perfect. so anyone who thinks other wise come to nopi nationals and i will show you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/polarxb/100_0172.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/polarxb/IMG_0123.jpg

^agreed; i like my side to side... though even side to side in the rear only really does a trick to shake the car like a dog :) its fun... but 9 switches is where id like to be

Personally i don't see where I would want side to side. If i could just have 1 switch to do up and down i would :)

But i can see where Front & back could come in handy in case i need to look underneth a particular part for some reason, i guess SS would be nice in some cases. But more valves, more switchs, i'll just do FB i think. Would i just have 5 switchs for front back? I still don't understand the whole switchs and valve stuff, or about how to route all the hosing and valves??

10 switches here..

Side to Side is Fun Makes it rock like all get out :D

and Rebel, Thanks for the heads up, I just ordered the FBI Kit with the Firestones but on my s10 we have always used SS bags and IMO there much better..

crayon box. your setup is awesome

i like the whitewalls. that was my original theme idea but changed my mind. but it looks hot.. i may just do it next year.

http://images9.fotki.com/v189/free/0d17c/5/595090/2102564/261_resize-vi.jpg

:lalala: :bow: :bow: :bow: ^^ i like them all..specially the cutie one.

http://images14.fotki.com/v209/free/0d17c/5/595090/2102564/PICT0004-vi.jpg

thanks for the props fuji :) i guess i got a sponsor eh? :)

graphics are in the works hopefully, but as to a question above; 8 valves alow independent control of each corner... because the front/rear dont fill equally sometimes, so i think it's usefull, + an FBI avs box is small, so 9 or 5 switches are still at 5"x4"x1" thin.

to those who want to be on my "2cents about air" mailer, since ive talked to about 6 ppl about air today, i'llbe mailing out some details about my air setup tonite or tomorrow, PM if you want some understanding about air :) just payin it forward (thanks tomas)

~tesh

10 switches here..

Side to Side is Fun Makes it rock like all get out :D

and Rebel, Thanks for the heads up, I just ordered the FBI Kit with the Firestones but on my s10 we have always used SS bags and IMO there much better..

i heard the SS bags are really good, but someone told me they wouldn't fit with FBI's brackets. Haven't heard any negative comments about the firestones, now the easy street sleaves... they have some bad publicity :yawn:

I only want airbags because coilovers and springs are permanently low, and where i live i'd mess up stuff underneath the box badly. And when slammed (parked) on bags, i think the xB looks awesome. So mainly for shows etc. and practibility. But i don't want my bags to blow out while i'm on the highway :no: And when i think of a SS setup, i think that it would put more strain on the frame etc. I don't want that! :pray:

I can tell you about some horror stories from Easy Street So far >_<

Ive blown 3 drivers side bags and they finally offered me a refund since they cant fix the problem,. I just hope the FBI kit is better!

I trust the bellowed style bags alot more then the sleeves anyday!

I can tell you about some horror stories from Easy Street So far >_<

Ive blown 3 drivers side bags and they finally offered me a refund since they cant fix the problem,. I just hope the FBI kit is better!

I trust the bellowed style bags alot more then the sleeves anyday!

FBI's kit IS the easy street stuff. I have heard tons of bad things with Easy Street, but they have noticed the problems and done something about it. My kit has ran perfect so far. I run the 2500lbs in the bag, I don't recommend the Easy Street REAR's.

As for the side to side thing, i like Side to side, but in the long run, it could damage something, like putting FBSS on a body dropped truck, its not good on certain points on the vehicle.

front (easy street)
back bags (FBI)
tank
pressure switch
compressor (thomas/vlair/firestone)
valves
switch
RELAY FOR COMPRESSOR
2 DUAL NEEDLE 200PSI GAUGES
1 SINGLE NEEDLE 200 PSI GAUGE
50' OF 1/2" DOT AIRLINE
50' OF 1/4" DOT AIRLINE

am i missing anything?

I can tell you about some horror stories from Easy Street So far >_<

Ive blown 3 drivers side bags and they finally offered me a refund since they cant fix the problem,. I just hope the FBI kit is better!

I trust the bellowed style bags alot more then the sleeves anyday!

FBI's kit IS the easy street stuff. I have heard tons of bad things with Easy Street, but they have noticed the problems and done something about it. My kit has ran perfect so far. I run the 2500lbs in the bag, I don't recommend the Easy Street REAR's.

As for the side to side thing, i like Side to side, but in the long run, it could damage something, like putting FBSS on a body dropped truck, its not good on certain points on the vehicle.


Sittin Im talking about FBI's Rear Kit which is not easy streeta stuff, I dont have the front kit yet just because of The problems Easy Street is having all the way around

front (easy street)
back bags (FBI)
tank
pressure switch
compressor (thomas/vlair/firestone)
valves
switch
RELAY FOR COMPRESSOR
2 DUAL NEEDLE 200PSI GAUGES
1 SINGLE NEEDLE 200 PSI GAUGE
50' OF 1/2" DOT AIRLINE
50' OF 1/4" DOT AIRLINE

am i missing anything?

Fittings

air runner is great. Rides like factory and is a true bolt on. Yes i do agree its pricey, but its well worth the price. A couple of my friend has them on their cars and i admit its the best setup ive ridden in ever.

I can tell you about some horror stories from Easy Street So far >_<

Ive blown 3 drivers side bags and they finally offered me a refund since they cant fix the problem,. I just hope the FBI kit is better!

I trust the bellowed style bags alot more then the sleeves anyday!

FBI's kit IS the easy street stuff. I have heard tons of bad things with Easy Street, but they have noticed the problems and done something about it. My kit has ran perfect so far. I run the 2500lbs in the bag, I don't recommend the Easy Street REAR's.

As for the side to side thing, i like Side to side, but in the long run, it could damage something, like putting FBSS on a body dropped truck, its not good on certain points on the vehicle.


Sittin Im talking about FBI's Rear Kit which is not easy streeta stuff, I dont have the front kit yet just because of The problems Easy Street is having all the way around

My bad, you didn't clarify front or back.

Quad, get pics of what the whole kit looks like and how it looks on the car.

I can tell you about some horror stories from Easy Street So far >_<

Ive blown 3 drivers side bags and they finally offered me a refund since they cant fix the problem,. I just hope the FBI kit is better!

I trust the bellowed style bags alot more then the sleeves anyday!

FBI's kit IS the easy street stuff. I have heard tons of bad things with Easy Street, but they have noticed the problems and done something about it. My kit has ran perfect so far. I run the 2500lbs in the bag, I don't recommend the Easy Street REAR's.

As for the side to side thing, i like Side to side, but in the long run, it could damage something, like putting FBSS on a body dropped truck, its not good on certain points on the vehicle.


Sittin Im talking about FBI's Rear Kit which is not easy streeta stuff, I dont have the front kit yet just because of The problems Easy Street is having all the way around

My bad, you didn't clarify front or back.

Quad, get pics of what the whole kit looks like and how it looks on the car.

so easy street fronts and FBI rears?

As for the side to side thing, i like Side to side, but in the long run, it could damage something, like putting FBSS on a body dropped truck, its not good on certain points on the vehicle.

ONCE AGAIN i dont understand why people always say dont use side to side. either they believe it will mess something up or it wont work. i have had it for over ten thousand miles and it works perfect. so anyone who thinks other wise come to nopi nationals and i will show you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Air-Bag-Air-Suspension-Kit-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ7999031920QQcategoryZ33586QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is this a good deal? just curious

As for the side to side thing, i like Side to side, but in the long run, it could damage something, like putting FBSS on a body dropped truck, its not good on certain points on the vehicle.

ONCE AGAIN i dont understand why people always say dont use side to side. either they believe it will mess something up or it wont work. i have had it for over ten thousand miles and it works perfect. so anyone who thinks other wise come to nopi nationals and i will show you.

ONCE AGAIN in the looooooooooong run. I never said it won't work. IN THE LONG RUN it can cause some sort of damage your most likely won't even see.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Air-Bag-Air-Suspension-Kit-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ7999031920QQcategoryZ33586QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is this a good deal? just curious

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Air-Bag-Air-Suspension-Kit-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ7999031920QQcategoryZ33586QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is this a good deal? just curious

maybe for a minitruck, but not for a scion. I'd recommend the viair 450 or any other 100% duty cycle compressor.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Air-Bag-Air-Suspension-Kit-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ7999031920QQcategoryZ33586QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is this a good deal? just curious

maybe for a minitruck, but not for a scion. I'd recommend the viair 450 or any other 100% duty cycle compressor.

ok. hows this setup and price?
Front Air-Over-Strut Kit (easystreet) $500
Rear Kit (easystreet) $250
valves (Blitzluft) $320
compressor (viair 450) $190
switches $20
pressure switch $16
tank $55
2 dual needles 200 psi guages $60
1 single dual needle 200psi guage $30
1 relay $6
50' OF 1/2" DOT AIRLINE $30
50' OF 1/4" DOT AIRLINE $10
fittings $120 - (http://fbimini.com/product.asp?idno=3949)

$1607

ONCE AGAIN in the looooooooooong run. I never said it won't work. IN THE LONG RUN it can cause some sort of damage your most likely won't even see.

some sort of damage huh. :rofl: what exactly is there to tear up by making your suspension work side to side. :come:

http://www.gravity-werx.com/images/dualgaugepaddle.jpg

could you use 2 of these instead of a switchbox?

ONCE AGAIN in the looooooooooong run. I never said it won't work. IN THE LONG RUN it can cause some sort of damage your most likely won't even see.

some sort of damage huh. :rofl: what exactly is there to tear up by making your suspension work side to side. :come:

how many cars/trucks have you bagged? how long have you been around air suspension to know anything about em? You act like you are defending something like you are married to it. You are egging this on like you want a fight? give it up, cuz thats not what I'm trying to do. I already said that side to side can cause the car to flex, its something you aren't going to see in a short time. And having it for more than 10k miles means nothing. so keep being an _______ if you'd like.

http://www.gravity-werx.com/images/dualgaugepaddle.jpg

could you use 2 of these instead of a switchbox?

those are manual valves. you basically run the air line from your tank to that then to your bags. Its the old school thing and is a lil slow, but cheaper too.

http://www.gravity-werx.com/images/dualgaugepaddle.jpg

could you use 2 of these instead of a switchbox?

those are manual valves. you basically run the air line from your tank to that then to your bags. Its the old school thing and is a lil slow, but cheaper too.

ok doke. did u see my setup on page 2 for $1607? did it look ok?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Air-Bag-Air-Suspension-Kit-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQitemZ7999031920QQcategoryZ33586QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

is this a good deal? just curious

maybe for a minitruck, but not for a scion. I'd recommend the viair 450 or any other 100% duty cycle compressor.

ok. hows this setup and price?
Front Air-Over-Strut Kit (easystreet) $500
Rear Kit (easystreet) $250
valves (Blitzluft) $320
compressor (viair 450) $190
switches $20
pressure switch $16
tank $55
2 dual needles 200 psi guages $60
1 single dual needle 200psi guage $30
1 relay $6
50' OF 1/2" DOT AIRLINE $30
50' OF 1/4" DOT AIRLINE $10
fittings $120 - (http://fbimini.com/product.asp?idno=3949)

$1607


Looks good to me Peabe


Make sure on the ViAir Compressor you use a ViAir pressure switch and not a generic one so you will keep your warranty..

I dont have a relay on mine The Viair Pressure switch takes care of that for me..

can someone post pictures of your back set up... i got mine but want to make sure people did the right stuff..... and also doesnt' go that low either.... sittinpretti box.........your box is off the chain.... do you have some pics.... ill appreciate it.. thanks guyz

yo. just wanna thank everyone for their help. you all have been ridiculously helpful. but dont worry, i still have a lot of ?'s coming. mu ah ah :P

here's one for starters...is it a common thing to have a bag pop in the middle of driving? and if so, what happens?

yo. just wanna thank everyone for their help. you all have been ridiculously helpful. but dont worry, i still have a lot of ?'s coming. mu ah ah :P

here's one for starters...is it a common thing to have a bag pop in the middle of driving? and if so, what happens?

It can and possibly will happen..

Its happened to me several times with Easy Street Rears..

As Far as what happens depends on the kit / your wheels and how well you react to stuff like that.


In my case The Rear Drivers Side Popped, The Ride got really rough but I could still drive it..

peabe, save your money and go with air runner setup. air runner is way more reliable then those other kits out there + it is a comfortable ride. better then stock.

Who makes Air Runner Excel?

yes i would agree with excel air runners probably the best out there hands down!! I have 2 friends that have them on their xb's and they are awesome!!!

how much are replacement parts for the airrunner setups? what kind of bags and compressors do they use?

Bags are firestone bags and a firestone compressor. Every kit is handbuilt and produced with quality in mind. The inspection guy at Airruner is a friend of a friend and that guy is incredibly anal. He makes sure everything is complete and ready to go before it ships out. I will get pics up soon. Worry not. Im just waiting for scionnight to be over. Be on the look out for a complete review. :)

What do they use for the fronts?

Saying that they use Firestones, do they just use bags and brackets similiar to what FBI uses or is it something to make it more reliable of an air kit..

Air Runner Being a pieced together kit of others products or do they make in house make the brackets and all?

I was looking for just air runner front stuff, but they only sell it as a kit. But I got by with my Easy Streets with really no hassle at all. More info and pics on the air runner would be nice though.

I will post a few pics in a few and then go outside and snap a few under the car pics.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1045791#1045791 for pics of my car.

Bags are firestone bags and a firestone compressor. Every kit is handbuilt and produced with quality in mind. The inspection guy at Airruner is a friend of a friend and that guy is incredibly anal. He makes sure everything is complete and ready to go before it ships out. I will get pics up soon. Worry not. Im just waiting for scionnight to be over. Be on the look out for a complete review. :)

can't wait for this :bow: !!

so if you just wanted to do a FB-setup instead of a FBSS set-up, would you just need a 4port tank?

so if you just wanted to do a FB-setup instead of a FBSS set-up, would you just need a 4port tank?

You could have a tank with 2 ports to 1000000000 ports, all you would need is a lot of plugs and 4 valves. Valves control all your air flow.

for a FB setup 4 valves? 2 in back for up/down, and 2 in front for up/down right?

from the valve you put a T fitting i'm guessing? Also, for the rear bags, don't they only have 1 line going into them? how do you tie in the "release" valve?

for a FB setup 4 valves? 2 in back for up/down, and 2 in front for up/down right?

from the valve you put a T fitting i'm guessing? Also, for the rear bags, don't they only have 1 line going into them? how do you tie in the "release" valve?


Yup 4 valves for Front/Back Set up

You can wire it how ever you want to wire using 1 port on the tank or multiple ports


Behold my l33t Ms paint skills :rofl:

4 valve using 2 ports on a tank

http://www.setuners.com/untitled.JPG

dude. this is not at all mocking you, so dont take it that way. that image is ALOT of help.

when people tell me instructions verbally, it takes me a couple times to try thru trial and error. if drawn once, i can pick it up in .4 seconds. hehe. thanks man!

Also Just so everyone knows I just talked with Phil @ FBI and the Slam Specilties Bags will work with those brackets they sell.. Its the RS52's He just got rid of the COnitech off of his XB and put the SS on and he gets a little more lift and it rides alot better!!

Hes sending my set out today!! I cant wait :bow:

dude. this is not at all mocking you, so dont take it that way. that image is ALOT of help.

when people tell me instructions verbally, it takes me a couple times to try thru trial and error. if drawn once, i can pick it up in .4 seconds. hehe. thanks man!

No prob Ill be glad to draw up any diagram of wiring you want hehe :P

RS52's? awesome i'm gettin them instead! Thanks for the pic man, the "pressure" switch is some sort of sensor to let the compressor know when the tank is full?

Also, you have the 2 valves in that pic connected to eachother. How would you connect the 2? I'm assuming theres the "fill" valve, a T-fitting out, the other side as the "empty" valve, the leftover fitting would have the DOT line out to a T-fitting that splits out to the bags. Is the correct?

Also, like if i got these:

http://fbirides.com/product.asp?idno=4015

Will those be good enuf if i had a FB setup with easy street up front, SS in the back. This compressor:

http://fbirides.com/product.asp?idno=4019

Will the valves and compressor be able to handle it? I'm only going to use the bags for down when i park, up and then drive, no crazy stuff.

The one other thing i don't understand, is the valves. They have those 3 "pins" on them, how do you wire those? just a general explanation would be cool. Thanks!

RS52's? awesome i'm gettin them instead! Thanks for the pic man, the "pressure" switch is some sort of sensor to let the compressor know when the tank is full?

Yup Basically Turns the Compressor On at a Certain PSI and Back off and Another..

Also, you have the 2 valves in that pic connected to eachother. How would you connect the 2? I'm assuming theres the "fill" valve, a T-fitting out, the other side as the "empty" valve, the leftover fitting would have the DOT line out to a T-fitting that splits out to the bags. Is the correct?

Yup Bascially I used a T-Fitting That is a 1/2 in pass through threaded and the Leg of the T is a 1/2 in airline fitting


Also, like if i got these:

http://fbirides.com/product.asp?idno=4015

Will those be good enuf if i had a FB setup with easy street up front, SS in the back. This compressor:

http://fbirides.com/product.asp?idno=4019

I love the Blitzluft Valves but I would prefer a ViAir Compressor.. The ViAir 450 is a 100% Duty Cycle Compressor where that one is only a 40%

Will the valves and compressor be able to handle it? I'm only going to use the bags for down when i park, up and then drive, no crazy stuff.

Yup Those will do fine but Like I said I would go with a ViAir Compressor

The one other thing i don't understand, is the valves. They have those 3 "pins" on them, how do you wire those? just a general explanation would be cool. Thanks!

Depending on your set up you actually only use two.. One Goes to ground The other goes to the switch box for that vavles function (IE Left Rear Fill / Left Rear Dump

If you are using a powered Switch Box the Valves will get there power from the switch box

the only downside to T'ing the front and rear i can see is a bit more side to side body roll... if i considered t'ing, i'd still want a way to isolate the sides...

and the reason id not put valves inside is that Whoosh noise that is a bit annoying inside, but you can use it to scare ppl outisde :) the WOW effect :)

t'ing? is that droping the front L/R simultaneously?

also, can you wire it in a way to the switch box that you drop/raise the front, drop/raise the back or if you want drop/raise the front and back equally with one push?

can someone post pictures of set ups rears im concerning please...

sciondrg thanks for the info! I probably won't run a "switch box". Probably just put switchs in the dash. Could i run just 2 2-way toggle switchs in the dash? Like a switch that has 3 positions, one for back and one for front? Also, about gauges... what would you recomend? Do you run airlines up to your dash or do you use digital gauges? I'm assuming i would have 3 gauges as well? Front, Back, & Tank? Thanks for all the help!

1 other thing, duty cycle, what does that mean? Oh, and i don't really understand how the airbags absorb shock, like if their pumped up and you hit a bump, does any air come out of the bag? or does whatever air thats in the bag stay in and it absorbs the shock likea spring would? What i mean basically is the only time the bags would have a change in air pressure is when i would fill/dump then via a switch right? (hopefully they don't blow, don't want to loose pressure that way!!)

Good price on the 450c?

http://www.ckcustoms.com/product_info.php?products_id=31

thx bro

sciondrg thanks for the info! I probably won't run a "switch box". Probably just put switchs in the dash. Could i run just 2 2-way toggle switchs in the dash? Like a switch that has 3 positions, one for back and one for front? Also, about gauges... what would you recomend? Do you run airlines up to your dash or do you use digital gauges? I'm assuming i would have 3 gauges as well? Front, Back, & Tank? Thanks for all the help!

1 other thing, duty cycle, what does that mean? Oh, and i don't really understand how the airbags absorb shock, like if their pumped up and you hit a bump, does any air come out of the bag? or does whatever air thats in the bag stay in and it absorbs the shock likea spring would? What i mean basically is the only time the bags would have a change in air pressure is when i would fill/dump then via a switch right? (hopefully they don't blow, don't want to loose pressure that way!!)

Good price on the 450c?

http://www.ckcustoms.com/product_info.php?products_id=31

thx bro

same price but free shipping...
http://www.suicidedoors.com/products/viair_compressor.htm

sciondrg thanks for the info! I probably won't run a "switch box". Probably just put switchs in the dash. Could i run just 2 2-way toggle switchs in the dash? Like a switch that has 3 positions, one for back and one for front? Also, about gauges... what would you recomend? Do you run airlines up to your dash or do you use digital gauges? I'm assuming i would have 3 gauges as well? Front, Back, & Tank? Thanks for all the help!

1 other thing, duty cycle, what does that mean? Oh, and i don't really understand how the airbags absorb shock, like if their pumped up and you hit a bump, does any air come out of the bag? or does whatever air thats in the bag stay in and it absorbs the shock likea spring would? What i mean basically is the only time the bags would have a change in air pressure is when i would fill/dump then via a switch right? (hopefully they don't blow, don't want to loose pressure that way!!)


thx bro

Yeah just get some made for Air ride and 2 momentaries will do fine for that..

For the guages I run 2 Dual Nead Guages because I have Side To Side so I can see independent Air Pressure in each bag,, The guages are completly optional its mostly used for looks and information type of thing.. You can get one for your tank but with the pressure switch I beleive its a waste and just extra line you have to run which in turn can be more leaks..

I would love to have digital but the Manuals Do Just Fine.. I run a 1/2 In T fitting with 1/4 in hose adaapter between the bags and valves to send the psi reading to the guages and since its 1/4 in line its fairly easy to run them into the car and dash.


The Duty Cycle of a Compressor Means How long it can run

a 100% Duty Compressor can stay on all the time and not burn out

a 40% you have to limit to a few minutes on and several off .. ( like 4 min on and 6 min off ) before using it again or it can cause the compressor to burn out

The Bags will flex a little depending on how much pressure you have in them causing your guage to move some while in bumpy travel but it will settle back out to what psi you have them at.. The ride will be more stiff or boucny depending on how much psi your running in them!!

cool! So basically no air is let out? So the compressor shouldn't ever really run while your driving? Unless it's fillin up the tank from when u just hopped in and turned on the car, then raised it up right?

thanks for the suicidedoors link too!

Yup you got it..

Unless you have a leak somewhere then it will come on more,

so the valves arent direcly connected to the tank? can someone show a picture of how the tank is setup?

You can mount them to the tank but closer to the bags will give you quicker dump/fill times..

Ill get some pics of mine tonight but its a mess right now hehe

My tank and Compressor are inside the car and the valves are underneath.

I did have everything outside but I kept scrapping the tank up so I moved it all back in!!

so if i order this kit from FBI...
http://fbimini.com/product.asp?idno=3970

does it come with SS bags?

and whats the difference in the FBI rear and the easy street rear. the FBI rear is the easy street rear it looks like

No thats teh Easy Street Rear Kit .. Stay far away from that thing.. Thats whats on mine now and lots are having problems with

You will Want

These Brackets
http://fbimini.com/product.asp?idno=249893

And Two of These
http://fbimini.com/product.asp?idno=3955

Or The Firestone 2500's on there site. you will safe like 15 bucks with the firestones but Phil told me the ride is so much better on the Slam's

wait with the front easy street and FBI rear you have to cut and fab just to fit them in? you cant just pop them in and work the wiring and plumbing?

Easy Street Rear Kit you have to cut some and drill holes

FBI Rear Bolts in

They both will use teh Easy Street front which bolts in

phew. so just get the fbi rears. ok. scared me for a second.

http://www.setuners.com/bags.mpg

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I was bored Currently Running a 3 gallon tank.. Ive got a 5 gallon just been to lazy to put it back in so I have more play time hehe

i keep forgetting to ask. but how comfortable is the ride? as opposed to coilovers?

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/deaddweeb/diagram.jpg

This is what my set up looks like. Plumbing and what not. I don't really know how the wiring goes so I can't really make up a wiring diagram.

This is all plumbed for half inch valves and lines and fittings.

I recommend these parker fittings. http://www.parker.com/EAD/displayCatalog.asp?menu_parkerid=46&menu_gid=2&menu_divid=336&catid=5245&catdesc=PRESTOLOK

I have things color coded, so here we go.

With a 2 port tank and compressor. Lets start with the blue fitting off the tank.

This is what is off the tank. 1/2" to 1/2" hex nipple. male to male:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//216P.JPG

This is what the hex nipple is going into, 3 way 1/2" union tee:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//2203P.JPG

This is what the air compressor goes into then into the 1/2" union tee, a 3/8" female to 1/2" male bushing:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//209P.JPG

This is what the air pressue goes into, same thing as above actually. so use that link, haha.

Now... The orange off the tank is a 1/2" push to 1/2" male swivel:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//W169PL.JPG

The T after the orange 1/2" push to 1/2" male swivel, is just a 1/2" T push connect:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//164PL.JPG

Now to the valve blocks. From the airline the block is a 1/2" push to 1/2" male, tthis is used on each fill valve:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//W169PL.JPG

Now is the extruded cross, 1/2" all around:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS//2205P.JPG

From off the cross, each one of these go between the block and valves, 1/2" hex nipples:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/216P.JPG

From the block to my gauges, I use a 1/2" male to 3/8" push connect, a 90 degree could be used too if wanted:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/W68PL.JPG

Since we are on the gauges, I use a 3/8" push connect to 3/8" female into the back of my gauge:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/66PL.JPG

Back to the valve, on the valve that fills the bags, a 1/2" male to 1/2" push connect is used:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/68PL.JPG

From off that, we go to a T push connect, 1/2" on all sides:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/164PL.JPG

Now for the rear bags, the rear bags on a firestone 2500lb is normall 3/8" port. From off the bag, I used a 3/8" male to 1/2" female, looks like it doesn't get much extension, but it gives just enuf:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/209P.JPG

Then from that extension, I use a 90 degree 1/2" male to 1/2" push connect:
http://www.parker.com/BRASSPROD/DIGITAL%20ASSETS/W169PL.JPG

You do the same thing basically for the front, with all the valve stuff. When it comes to the airline and such from off the front valves, you just use a 1/2" push connect to your struts, that go to 1/2" push in connect to 3/8" male I think it is, they were the fittings that were given with the struts.

I hope this was helpful. I think it is. Ask if you got questions. (this took me a good hour to do, haha)

AWESOME!!!! m(__)m

Very good man! Only thing i want to know is how the "push connects" work? You just push the airlines into it and it holds them?

thanks a bunch man, friggin awesome!


oooo, also, the "dump" valve off of each of the extruded cross's. That just has like a "butterfly"(like in a TB) that opens up and the air goes out to the atmosphere right? No additional plumbing or fittings are needed?

man i just learned a lot hehe!

How is the ride on bags though? Compared to stock springs and shocks? Also, did you use those NAPA rear shocks that are like 1"~ shorter than stock?

yup Push to Connect does just that, They have little teeth in side that hold the hose

Yup the Dump valve just goes into the air.. you can route plumbing if you want but theres no point in it.. you can also get mufflers to go on the valves that will quiet them down and also keep dirt out.

The ride is pretty good it can get kinda bouncy at times but I hardly even remember what the factory rides like lol

I have them just dont have them put on yet for hte shocks.. waiting for the fbi stuff to get here and do it all while the wheel is off!

are they as comfortable as coilovers or worse?

awesome!

Only real other concern i have left about airbags is reliability. 80% of the year i average about 100~ miles per week! The other 20% would be trips around florida, maybe 500~ miles round trip. I plan on babyin' the xB, so Daily Driver Style! I hope the bags would last a long time.

I'm going to do the install myself, maybe with the help of a friend or relative. My grandpa has a shop with all the tools i'll ever need so i'll prolly do it up there over like 3~ days. Gonna take my time and try to run everything PerfecT!!! Can't make any mistakes! I will probably eventually carry an extra SS bag in the xB with me, but i haven't heard of any problems with them.

And the front struts from ES i only heard problems about rattling, which JDMJim has *hopefuly* found out a way to fix em yourself without sending them to ES:

http://scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=83125&highlight=

looks like all thats left to do for me, is to get the xB in, sell my Rota C8's 15" so i can get the new Rota D2 17x8.5" ^_^, and save up for all the parts. Maybe by next summer i'll be bagged! lol

These "mufflers" you talked about, any links online for them? Can't have any dirt in the valve!!! >_<;

http://www.gravity-werx.com/valveacc.html

There ya go

As far as the Ride Goes Peabe it really all depends on your streets.. I get a nice smooth ride with mine now.. it can be boucny under hard bumps in the road but over all its a pretty comfy ride

thanks man, definitely worth the money!

I screwed up on the diagram. The tank line should be going to the valve that is heading into the bags, my bad. I'll fix it tomorrow.

Hope it was a help though

They ride great. Probably better than coilovers, but I have never ridden on coilovers.

They should be reliable if done correct. I drove over 500 miles the weekend after I just bagged it. Ran great. I drive more than 100 miles a week too.

As for the push connect, you just push the green part in with your fingers, push the line in, let go of the green part and you'll feel the line slip in.

Umm... also, with the dumb valve, leave it just the way it is. You can put a fitting on there to reduce the amount of air that flows out, that way it drops a lil slower. I want to try putting a rubber piece from a whoopie coushin (i'm having a brain fart on spelling) so when i drop it, it farts, haha.

does anyone use a water separator?

Peabe, yeah water seperators are def worth having.. I dont have one at the moment because everything is inside the car but it still pulls moisture out of the air.. things tend to rust very quickly even with powercoated tanks

Umm... also, with the dumb valve, leave it just the way it is. You can put a fitting on there to reduce the amount of air that flows out, that way it drops a lil slower. I want to try putting a rubber piece from a whoopie coushin (i'm having a brain fart on spelling) so when i drop it, it farts, haha.

Haha I so thought about doing that!

where does the water separator go?

between compressor and tank

oh ok, do most tanks have a "drain" on them to let out the moisture? Like any air compressor you'd see in a shop, they always have a drain on em. I guess if u had the separator you wouldn't have to worry about draining?

Does the compressor itself get moisture into it? I guess it has some sort of "separator" too?

The Viairs have a Small Dirt Filter on the Air INtake not sure how good it is for moisture though,,

Depending on your tank you can put a dragon cock in it

My 5 gallon has 8 1/2 ports so theres plenty of ports for adding things

My 3 Gallon only has 4

Would scuba tank air be any more compact, simple for an up-down drive it car and in areas like my town where scuba shops abound? Have not looked at your hardware and designs yet only read through this thread's pages.

thinking how compact and simple high pressure air and a regulator could be....

thanks and set me straight please.

The good thing about scuba... put a high PSI regulator on it and you can hop that sh!t! but be ready for some major breakage! haha. But normally, you can run a regulator that will allow the right PSI to come out. Usually you can hold 3000psi in a tank, but will have to refill it every once and awhile, which I know you are aware of.

so what compressors are not good upside down?

Compressors could be mounted any direction you want it to be,

I mss the Nitrogen days heheeh

500 PSi hopping the S-10

Id love to see a box be able to do that XD

Compressors could be mounted any direction you want it to be,

someone was saying that viair's could be mounted upside down but they crap out, and thomas' could be mounted upside down without crapping out

that was me; i was talking to a guy at FBI (theyre in town near me) and they said (as another hop shop near me said the same) that running the viair comps upside down can cause the piston to messup a bit. runs fine sideways and right side up;

not sure why it makes a difference, but they speak from experience. though it's not hard to mount it sideways anyhow; ill have pix of the underside tomorrow at scion night II :)

here's a pic from when i was in the middle of detailing today

http://images14.fotki.com/v221/free/cb088/5/595090/2102564/crayonboxxbs-vi.jpg

all this talk about bagging sure brings back memories!!

sigh!

My viair was upside down for several months with no troubles

My viair was upside down for several months with no troubles

are there troubles with it now?

Its running just fine its about 10 months old and its used just about everyday

i want to get bagz :tap: .... where can i get an easystreet kit from.... i need everything, i am 17, how hard is the install, n stuff like that..... i am not rich, i either want to go the cluth, flywheel, eventually turbo route, or air suspension route baby.... i want bagz baby.. yeah :pray:

Do what i'm doing, get parts from FBI and Suicide Doors (online). I'm 17 and i'm planning on doing the install myself, probably have a friend help me. I've changed my springs a few times so far, once on the xB and 3 times on my Echo (same suspsension). I figure the bags won't be too hard. The hardest or most "tedius" part would be effectively running the airlines I would think. The reason I don't want to go for the full EasyStreet kit is because of the comments on the rear setup. They have had a lot of problems with their "sleeve" type bags. On the other hand i haven't really heard any "real" bad things about the front air struts.

I'm going to be getting:

Front ES Air Struts = 530$ [online]
Rear FBI brackets = 100$~
2500lb SlamSpecialties Bags for the rear = 100$~
Viar 450c (maybe 480) Compressor = 180$~
Tank (undecided on ports and sizes) = 50~100$
DOT Airline = 50~100$
Valves (i only need 4 for a Front/Back setup) = 100$~
Gauge's, fittings, pressure switch, water trap, misc. = 200$ (probably much less)

I think that's it? I'm going for a basic setup though, and one that will hopefully be more reliable then the full ES kit. I think the ES kit is around 2200$ and it also is an FBSS kit.