Hey, I think I'm going with 18" ( 215/35/18 ) rims. What do you think is better for lowering?

1) TRD 1" Drop
or
2) 2" Drop (You tell me whats the best brand)

2" GOLDLINE :wink:

spy or tein

It depends on where you are from. I live in Northwest Arkansas and there are hills, bumps, and potholes galore. I would say go with the TRD 1" drop, just to be safe. Many people have said the drop is 1.25 after u break them in. But the decision is yours.

Nathan 8)

I got the same size wheels and got the Spy Engineering 2" drop springs. Box rides good and looks nicer. Need my bro to borrow his camera so I can post pic.

2" on goldlines. Looks good, rides good, handles great.

spy, tein, tanabe, or rs-r.

When you lower it I know it rides better but what about the bumps does it ride stiffer (more bounce)?

2" spy or 2" gollines.
i've installed 27 sets of springs!

tein if u want a nicer ride....spy and goldline have higher spring rates which = harsher ride
im running 18x7.5 with 215/35/18
offset front 45mm offset rear 30mm
using tein s techs

tein if u want a nicer ride....spy and goldline have higher spring rates which = harsher ride
im running 18x7.5 with 215/35/18
offset front 45mm offset rear 30mm
using tein s techs
both spy and goldline ride excellent.

I agree the spy's or goldline do give a preety smooth ride.

I agree the spy's or goldline do give a preety smooth ride.
GoldLines are the best "bang for your buck"

OK.....ummmm
What's the diff, are the Spy's and Goldlines's lower rate than Tein, so that they "ride excellent?" Does that mean they ride more like a Towncar or even close? :?

Al.Truistic
aB

tein if u want a nicer ride....spy and goldline have higher spring rates which = harsher ride
im running 18x7.5 with 215/35/18
offset front 45mm offset rear 30mm
using tein s techs
both spy and goldline ride excellent.

OK.....ummmm
What's the diff, are the Spy's and Goldlines's lower rate than Tein, so that they "ride excellent?" Does that meant they ride more like a Towncar or even close? :?

Al.Truistic
aB

tein if u want a nicer ride....spy and goldline have higher spring rates which = harsher ride
im running 18x7.5 with 215/35/18
offset front 45mm offset rear 30mm
using tein s techs
both spy and goldline ride excellent.
not quite like a towncar, but not as bumpy as stock.

tanabe df-210 is the bomb...

OK.....ummmm
What's the diff, are the Spy's and Goldlines's lower rate than Tein, so that they "ride excellent?" Does that meant they ride more like a Towncar or even close? :?


This is what confuses me. From most opinions, Goldlines are supposed to be the smoothest ride (not stiff), so they must have the lowest spring rate right? But from the specs, Goldlines have pretty high spring rates. :?

spring rates = Front/Rear:
KGMM DR21 = 2.2-3.8/1.1-4.4
KGMM NP21 = 1.7-3/1-3.7
Goldline = 3.3/3.4 (front linear/rear progressive)
Tein S. Tech = 2.6/3.2
Tein H. Tech = 2.3/3.2
Tanabe DF210 = 2.8/3
Tanabe NF210 = 2.1/2.5
spy = ?
eibach = ?
(all are progressive except goldline)

By this info, Tanabes should be the smoothest (least stiff) :?

Maybe there are other factors besides spring rates that determine smoothness?

since they are all progressive, a spring rate number alone is meaningless

the goldlines may have a softer or larger progressive range
or may be quoting the hardest part of their range while others are quoting the softness

who knows!

Ive got linear eibach race springs all around now and it feels fine =)

wussies ;)


OK.....ummmm
What's the diff, are the Spy's and Goldlines's lower rate than Tein, so that they "ride excellent?" Does that meant they ride more like a Towncar or even close? :?


This is what confuses me. From most opinions, Goldlines are supposed to be the smoothest ride (not stiff), so they must have the lowest spring rate right? But from the specs, Goldlines have pretty high spring rates. :?

spring rates = Front/Rear:
KGMM DR21 = 2.2-3.8/1.1-4.4
KGMM NP21 = 1.7-3/1-3.7
Goldline = 3.3/3.4 (front linear/rear progressive)
Tein S. Tech = 2.6/3.2
Tein H. Tech = 2.3/3.2
Tanabe DF210 = 2.8/3
Tanabe NF210 = 2.1/2.5
spy = ?
eibach = ?
(all are progressive except goldline)

By this info, Tanabes should be the smoothest (least stiff) :?

Maybe there are other factors besides spring rates that determine smoothness?

the springs may be softer, but longer, so they give the same drop but better bump absorbtion. the stiffer ones, may be shorter, and stiffer ride. progressive springs are the best way to go, soft at first then stiffer at the end.

i say tanabe...but hey, thats wat i got and the only ones ive ridden in have tanabe, so who knows :wink:

What about the Eibach Pro-Kit? Anyone have any knowledge on those? I've got a good deal on a set but if not quality then not worth the deal.

I ran Eibach Pros for about a month then I changed to coilovers. The Eibachs are very good for performance if you use the stock struts and shocks but they were too stiff for my taste.

OK.....ummmm
What's the diff, are the Spy's and Goldlines's lower rate than Tein, so that they "ride excellent?" Does that meant they ride more like a Towncar or even close? :?


This is what confuses me. From most opinions, Goldlines are supposed to be the smoothest ride (not stiff), so they must have the lowest spring rate right? But from the specs, Goldlines have pretty high spring rates. :?

spring rates = Front/Rear:
KGMM DR21 = 2.2-3.8/1.1-4.4
KGMM NP21 = 1.7-3/1-3.7
Goldline = 3.3/3.4 (front linear/rear progressive)
Tein S. Tech = 2.6/3.2
Tein H. Tech = 2.3/3.2
Tanabe DF210 = 2.8/3
Tanabe NF210 = 2.1/2.5
spy = ?
eibach = ?
(all are progressive except goldline)

By this info, Tanabes should be the smoothest (least stiff) :?

Maybe there are other factors besides spring rates that determine smoothness?

like i said teins ride nicer....and with that high of a spring rate goldines cant ride even close to as nice...only springs that woud ride smoother then teins are the tanabe NF210's....plus the teins arent a full 2inch drop which means more shock/strut travel/suspension travel....and with a spring rate that high on the goldlines upgrading the shocks/struts is a good idea

read this about spring rates... http://www.tuninglinx.com/html/a_spr_rate.html someone posted some wrong info about spring rates

Maybe there are other factors besides spring rates that determine smoothness?

You better believe it! The shock is more important than the spring for the ride. You can have a soft spring feel "stiffer" than a strong spring with the right shock valving.

One thing to keep in mind when looking at these specs, they do not necessaily say the same thing. The amount of "progressiveness" can make a big difference in how the springs ride. And not necessarily to the good.

One of these days, we should have a blind ride test of all these springs with the stock shocks. I don't believe you can rightly determine the "best" setup from the specs alone.

I think this is a great idea!
Any kind of rating would be helpful. Three judges and the driver in an xB with the stock shocks and various installed springs.
We'd actually need to get a "course" to drive... :)
Seems like it wouldn't be hard to round up the rides. Would having sway bars or a tower brace affect this, what about wheel combo? :?

Anyway, would be nice... :wink:

Al.Truistic
aB



Maybe there are other factors besides spring rates that determine smoothness?

You better believe it! The shock is more important than the spring for the ride. You can have a soft spring feel "stiffer" than a strong spring with the right shock valving.

One thing to keep in mind when looking at these specs, they do not necessaily say the same thing. The amount of "progressiveness" can make a big difference in how the springs ride. And not necessarily to the good.

One of these days, we should have a blind ride test of all these springs with the stock shocks. I don't believe you can rightly determine the "best" setup from the specs alone.

Would having sway bars or a tower brace affect this, what about wheel combo? :?

We could do this pretty easily. Use a stock set of wheels/tires and shocks as the baseline. I doubt anyone wants to use their aftermarket wheels/tires as the "guinea pig". Drive the same couse at the same speed and evaluate. Of course, the evaluator (passenger) must not know what car he is in and with what spring. The course could be selected such that the sway bars and tower struts would not make a big difference. Hell, some guys out there may even have access to an accellerometer (I know I do) to measure the varying shock as well as "seat of the pants" rating. This may scientifically confirm the rating. It would be nice to see some blind comparisons.... :P

heres a chart that I have showing the Scions i've lowered and what springs.

Scions Lowered
# name color model spring
1 Kristal Thundercloud Metalic xB 2” Spy
2 Jason Black Sand Pearl xA 1.8” Eibach
3 Denny Blue Onyx Pearl xB 2” Spy
4 Ernesto Black Sand Pearl xB 1.25” Spy
5 Eugene Thundercloud Metalic xB 2” Spy
6 Nuno Camouflage Green xB 2” Spy
7 Anthony Black Cherry Pearl xA 2” Spy
8 Robert Thundercloud Metalic xB 2” Spy
9 Vidale Phantom Grey Pearl xA 1.8” Eibach
10 Randy Black Cherry Pearl xB 2” Spy
11 Mark Thundercloud Metalic xB 2.2” Tanabe
12 Tim Polar White xB 1.7”Tanabe
13 Todd Black Sand Pearl xA 1.25” TRD
14 Brent Polar White xB 2” Spy
15 Julius Polar White xB 1.8” Eibach
16 Mike Phantom Grey Pearl xA stock
17 Eric M Polar White xB 2” Goldline
18 Sean Black Sand Pearl xB 1.5” Hotchkiss
19 Chris Black Sand Pearl xB 2” Goldline
20 David Black Sand Pearl xB 1.1” JDM
21 Colin Blue Onyx Pearl xB 2” Goldline
22 Scott Black Sand Pearl xB 1.1" Tien
23 David Black Sand Pearl xB 1.8" Eibach
24 Juan Thundercloud Metalic xB 2" Spy
25 David Black Sand Pearl xB Blitz Coil-overs
26 Robert Blue Onyx Pearl xB 1.1" Tien

Would having sway bars or a tower brace affect this, what about wheel combo? :?

We could do this pretty easily. Use a stock set of wheels/tires and shocks as the baseline. I doubt anyone wants to use their aftermarket wheels/tires as the "guinea pig". Drive the same couse at the same speed and evaluate. Of course, the evaluator (passenger) must not know what car he is in and with what spring. The course could be selected such that the sway bars and tower struts would not make a big difference. Hell, some guys out there may even have access to an accellerometer (I know I do) to measure the varying shock as well as "seat of the pants" rating. This may scientifically confirm the rating. It would be nice to see some blind comparisons.... :P

Interesting...
How would the installs be handled? There has always been drama around that... :?
How would we get access to all the springs and how long is the install for springs, could the tests be completed in one day?

What the hell is an accellerometer?

Interesting...
How would the installs be handled? There has always been drama around that... :?
How would we get access to all the springs and how long is the install for springs, could the tests be completed in one day?

What the hell is an accellerometer?
spring install takes 34-40 minutes with air tools.

You don't need a bunch of spring installs on one car.....You need a bunch of cars with difference springs with stock shocks. Then you just swap wheel/tires with the baseline wheel/tire to make each run equal. :D

What the hell is an accellerometer?

It's a device that measures vibration or shock.

heres a chart that I have showing the Scions i've lowered and what springs.

Scions Lowered
# name color model spring
1 Kristal Thundercloud Metalic xB 2” Spy
2 Jason Black Sand Pearl xA 1.8” Eibach
3 Denny Blue Onyx Pearl xB 2” Spy
4 Ernesto Black Sand Pearl xB 1.25” Spy
5 Eugene Thundercloud Metalic xB 2” Spy
6 Nuno Camouflage Green xB 2” Spy
7 Anthony Black Cherry Pearl xA 2” Spy
8 Robert Thundercloud Metalic xB 2” Spy
9 Vidale Phantom Grey Pearl xA 1.8” Eibach
10 Randy Black Cherry Pearl xB 2” Spy
11 Mark Thundercloud Metalic xB 2.2” Tanabe
12 Tim Polar White xB 1.7”Tanabe
13 Todd Black Sand Pearl xA 1.25” TRD
14 Brent Polar White xB 2” Spy
15 Julius Polar White xB 1.8” Eibach
16 Mike Phantom Grey Pearl xA stock
17 Eric M Polar White xB 2” Goldline
18 Sean Black Sand Pearl xB 1.5” Hotchkiss
19 Chris Black Sand Pearl xB 2” Goldline
20 David Black Sand Pearl xB 1.1” JDM
21 Colin Blue Onyx Pearl xB 2” Goldline
22 Scott Black Sand Pearl xB 1.1" Tien
23 David Black Sand Pearl xB 1.8" Eibach
24 Juan Thundercloud Metalic xB 2" Spy
25 David Black Sand Pearl xB Blitz Coil-overs
26 Robert Blue Onyx Pearl xB 1.1" Tien
i have tein s tech who else we need to do some testing...could put stock wheels back on
looks like a lot of spy springs went on

Randy, what was this...
heres a chart that I have showing the Scions i've lowered and what springs.

Scions Lowered
16 Mike Phantom Grey Pearl xA stock

:roll:
did you reinstall stock shocks?

Randy, what was this...
heres a chart that I have showing the Scions i've lowered and what springs.

Scions Lowered
16 Mike Phantom Grey Pearl xA stock

:roll:
did you reinstall stock shocks?

he never replaced the shocks, so yes they were stock. he later installed the coil-overs.

So all of those people are staying with their stock shocks?
Do they not have any problems bottoming the struts out in front?
I would like to go down 2" with 18" wheels but I am not going to if my stock
struts and shocks will only last 6 months as with all other cars I have lowered
with springs.
I have lowered many cars 1.5 with stock struts and they seemed to have lasted a long time on the stock struts and shocks.
Is the scions shocks made to be used with lowering springs more so than any other car?

So all of those people are staying with their stock shocks?
Do they not have any problems bottoming the struts out in front?
I would like to go down 2" with 18" wheels but I am not going to if my stock
struts and shocks will only last 6 months as with all other cars I have lowered
with springs.
I have lowered many cars 1.5 with stock struts and they seemed to have lasted a long time on the stock struts and shocks.
Is the scions shocks made to be used with lowering springs more so than any other car?
they all have stock shocks and struts. some have shorter bumpstops, but most dont and i dont think they are needed. Ive NEVER bottomed out either of my xB's on 2" Spy springs.

So all of those people are staying with their stock shocks?
Do they not have any problems bottoming the struts out in front?
I would like to go down 2" with 18" wheels but I am not going to if my stock
struts and shocks will only last 6 months as with all other cars I have lowered
with springs.
I have lowered many cars 1.5 with stock struts and they seemed to have lasted a long time on the stock struts and shocks.
Is the scions shocks made to be used with lowering springs more so than any other car?

Just remember to cutt your bump stops or install the ones that were provided in the spring kit and you will be fine. Thats the only thing you have to worry about bottoming out, that and huge pot hoiles!! :lol:

This is what confuses me. From most opinions, Goldlines are supposed to be the smoothest ride (not stiff), so they must have the lowest spring rate right? But from the specs, Goldlines have pretty high spring rates. :?
[edit-snip]
(all are progressive except goldline)

By this info, Tanabes should be the smoothest (least stiff) :?
[snip]


Is this true?

They look pretty progessive to me!! They HAVE to be progressive.
IF I get another box I'll sport the tanabes just so I can have two different sets and be the expert!

(all are progressive except goldline)



Is this true?

They look pretty progessive to me!! They HAVE to be progressive.


I've never seen them myself, but I e-mailed them. Linear in front and progressive in rear. Maybe he meant they were "progressively wound" which essentially acts as linear with "dead" coils. (caution: I know nothing about springs - just regurgitating stuff I read :wink: )

is everybody getting an alignment after being lowered?

Where is the cheapest place to get Goldlines?
I am ready to buy NOW!!

is everybody getting an alignment after being lowered?

Where is the cheapest place to get Goldlines?
I am ready to buy NOW!!
I took my car to my friends shop to see if it needed an alignment the other day. It dosen't need one at all. Even after being lowered 2.2 inches in the front and 2.0 inches in the rear.

Thanks munch.
Best to at least get her checked!