Hey all,

I went to the jiffy lube to get my oil changed ( 2700 Miles) on monday and i got a terriffic deal. $15 out the door with an oil change, and they included a free air freshener. If i have wanted to they would have flushed my radiator and changed my oil for $25!!! this is a terriffic deal, and the guy told me that this deal is going on at all southern cal jiffy lube's ( im not sure thats true) but anyways i would highky recommend them. It took about 1 hr and it was done!!!!! :D :shock: :)

Hey all,

I went to the jiffy lube to get my oil changed ( 2700 Miles) on monday and i got a terriffic deal. $15 out the door with an oil change, and they included a free air freshener. If i have wanted to they would have flushed my radiator and changed my oil for $25!!! this is a terriffic deal, and the guy told me that this deal is going on at all southern cal jiffy lube's ( im not sure thats true) but anyways i would highky recommend them. It took about 1 hr and it was done!!!!! :D :shock: :)

why would you go there when you get 3 free oil changes from Scion?

I dont want toyotas oil in my car...... also the free oil changes are at 5,000 miles :twisted: :evil:

nah, i got mine done at 3400... it just says 5,000 cause that's your service intervals... they do a 19 point check and lube and what not besides the oil... you can bring it there whenever you need your oil changed, they don't care, they're gonna have to do it sooner or later.

Oh really :lol: dang oh well jiffy lube was still good :cry:

I dont want toyotas oil in my car...... also the free oil changes are at 5,000 miles :twisted: :evil:

i got mine done @ 3193 miles.....you can go whenever you want....

and from what i understand, Jiffy uses Penzoil.....

FYI, all 04' Toyotas and Scions have their radiators filled with a new super long-life antifreeze. It's a 50/50 mix and it's supposed to last 100,000 miles.

FYI, all 04' Toyotas and Scions have their radiators filled with a new super long-life antifreeze. It's a 50/50 mix and it's supposed to last 100,000 miles.

and if its anything like gm's dexcool extended life coolant that turns to mudd after about 30-40k miles I dont want it !!

well I have 30,000 miles on my xB and the coolant looks fine...

30,000 miles !!! man thats alot! when did u get it?

I dont want toyotas oil in my car......

What kind of oil is Toyota using that could be worse than Pennzoil??? :?: :?: :?: This is the first I've heard of bad "Toyota oil", most shops carry a national brand in bulk...


When I used to work at a Jeep dealership, a customer came in that was missing a dipstick. She told us she had just gotten her oil changed at a jiffy/supr lube place. We called them and told them they better send someone down with her dipstick. 10 minutes later here comes the jip-me lube shop boy with a handful of dipsticks. The friggin' idiots did it more than once and they couldn't even tell which was hers... Our tech grabbed the right one and we just wondered about all those other cars out there ... You get what you pay for...

I'm guessing that two techs with equal experience and skills get offered a job EITHER at Toyota or Jiffy Lube, you're gonna find the most highly skilled ones changing oil... :roll:

I got mine about 8 months ago, almost 9...
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I've learned, through a bunch of bad experiences, to always check my oil about a week after it's been changed---REGARDLESS of where I get it changed. I've found oil caps and/or dip sticks missing, and oil leaks around the oil filter or drain plug. I'd probably do this even if I changed the oil....because I know how absent-minded I am....

C.F.

toyota oil is a lot better then pennzoil. toyotas run for a long time for a reason and that is because toyota has good products.

I use Mobil 1 oil not Penzoil...... i had it requested

I've learned, through a bunch of bad experiences, to always check my oil about a week after it's been changed---REGARDLESS of where I get it changed. I've found oil caps and/or dip sticks missing, and oil leaks around the oil filter or drain plug. I'd probably do this even if I changed the oil....because I know how absent-minded I am....

C.F.

A week? I open the hood and check it right in the dealer's driveway! A friend had his oil changed at the same dealer and they put in a total of 1.5 quarts, just enough for the engine to run without the oil light coming on. When he discovered this he had the car towed back to the shop and they said "oh, the dial on the dispenser must have slipped again!"

George

toyota oil is a lot better then pennzoil. toyotas run for a long time for a reason and that is because toyota has good products.

Toyota dealers do not use Toyota oil. In fact, I don't know if Toyota even markets its own brand of oil. Our dealer uses Quaker State oil, others probably use whatever oil is cheapest from the jobber.

If you're using petroleum oil then any brand is pretty much the same as they are all made to meet the current API specification.

Synthetic oil opens a new can of worms.

George

what can of worms would that be ? I have synthetic...

I read this thread and just rolled my eyes. There's a sucker born every minute, and you're one of them - falling into the clutches of oil companies and their false advertising. Go by what your manual says, not what the people who are selling you their products say (A little hint - they're int the business of selling their product, not protecting your car, so naturally they're going to try and get you to buy their products, and it seems as if you've fallin' for their advertising) :roll:

It's a total waste to change your oil that early, a waste of your money and good oil. If anything, you should be worried about what kind of crappy filter the crap hole (Jiffy Lube) used on your vehicle. Don't worry, they probably used a Fram, the worst filters on earth :lol:

Do yourself a favor and eliminate the middleman, change your oil yourself, don't let the nimrods at "Jiffy lube" even touch your car.

what can of worms would that be ? I have synthetic...

I should have said "religious argument"! Don't worry, your synthetic is fine as long as it meets the basic motor oils specifications in your owner's manual. Most any synthetic you buy off the shelf at your local FLAPS will meet that spec.

George

I got my first 3 complimentary oil changes from the dealer every 3k miles. No problems, and even if there was, the dealer did it, and it's under warranty. I'm coming up on 12k miles and will be changing my own oil from now on.

Just got my 1st free oil change at 4700 at the dealer and they used Pennzoil. I was kind of taken back by the mini-oil filter! I wasn't use to seeing a filter 1/3 the size of the standard size filter that was in my Integra. Gee, I hope this does its job. With its size there's no room for any defective sections in the filter and still be effective.

I have said it once before, my cousin had her oil changed at Jiffy, and they forgot to install the plug and re-fill with oil. My cousing; being a dumb blonde, just drove off and later that day noticed a noise from under the hood. Her boyfriend checks it out, and :shock: no oil! And no drain plug.

toyota oil is a lot better then pennzoil. toyotas run for a long time for a reason and that is because toyota has good products.

Toyota dealers do not use Toyota oil. In fact, I don't know if Toyota even markets its own brand of oil. Our dealer uses Quaker State oil, others probably use whatever oil is cheapest from the jobber.

If you're using petroleum oil then any brand is pretty much the same as they are all made to meet the current API specification.

Synthetic oil opens a new can of worms.

George

i need to start proof reading my posts. leaving words doesn't help. i meant to have it say toyota picks oil that is better then pennzoil. you are right about using quaker state.

toyota oil is a lot better then pennzoil. toyotas run for a long time for a reason and that is because toyota has good products.

Toyota dealers do not use Toyota oil. In fact, I don't know if Toyota even markets its own brand of oil. Our dealer uses Quaker State oil, others probably use whatever oil is cheapest from the jobber.

George

i need to start proof reading my posts. leaving words doesn't help. i meant to have it say toyota picks oil that is better then pennzoil. you are right about using quaker state.

I don't think that there is anything particularly bad about Pennzoil. It meets the same specs that Quaker State, Mobil, Texaco, etc. meet. I will note that my Toyota dealer used Mobil oil for the first change, and Quaker State for the second. It probably depends upon which jobber will give them the best price on oil when they need it.

George

I have said it once before, my cousin had her oil changed at Jiffy, and they forgot to install the plug and re-fill with oil. My cousing; being a dumb blonde, just drove off and later that day noticed a noise from under the hood. Her boyfriend checks it out, and :shock: no oil! And no drain plug.

Dodge had a commercial a while back that showed a car broken down in the middle of nowhere. The camera spotlights the missing drain plug and follows the line of oil up the road to a Jip-Me Lube kinda place where this pimply faced kid picks up the plug and goes "Bummer..."

my wife had the oil cjanged at Jiffy Lube on her '99 Mazda. The next time i did the oil change myslef. I couldnt even get the drain plug out since it was so tight and completely rounded off. It was like they used a impact wrench and a socket two sizes too big. Never again.

i'd have to say.. the scions are the easiest cars i've ever looked under for an oil change.. you can reach the frikken filter from above, standing on the ground! and it's on the intake side, not the exhaust, so you wont' get burned!!

Our dealership uses Mobil 1 on all Toyotas and Scions. However, bring in a non-Toyota brand, and you will get Pennzoil.

lol for the cost they'd better use mobil1 hah

Our dealership uses Mobil 1 on all Toyotas and Scions. However, bring in a non-Toyota brand, and you will get Pennzoil.

That's pretty unusual! Do you include the oil as part of the oil change charge, or do you charge for it separately?

George

I took my old Tacoma into Walmart for an oil change once, ONCE. (I know, it sounds stupid from the start but they were the only ones open late and I figured its just a friggin oil change) The next morning as I back out of the driveway I get a big gusher of oil running out from under my car. I took it to the local guys and they looked and the oil filter had a hole in it because they used a filter wrench to put it ON! Luckily for them, the drip was over the frame rail and just dripped inside that until it built up and ran out...

man what potheads!! i bet u where angry!!

$23.95 for our customers. Not a bad deal, and your warranty will stay intact. I've seen the damage that jiffy lube does, and the peace of mind is worth it. Yes, the oil is included. The sweetest part of the deal is my employee discount -- I've got a 2000 Camry and a Mobil 1 oil change is $14.86 for me.

$23.95 for our customers. Not a bad deal, and your warranty will stay intact.

Not bad, but let's not perpetuate the myth that you must have your car serviced at the dealer to keep the warranty intact.

As long as the car is serviced competently at the specified intervals and the service is documented with the appropriate notations in the owner's manual or other logbook your warranty will remain intact. It doesn't matter whether the service is done at the dealer, an independent shop, or in your own driveway.

If a manufacturer wishes to make dealer service manditory, they can do so only if the service is provided free of charge. That's by government regulation.

George

$23.95 for our customers. Not a bad deal, and your warranty will stay intact. I've seen the damage that jiffy lube does, and the peace of mind is worth it. Yes, the oil is included. The sweetest part of the deal is my employee discount -- I've got a 2000 Camry and a Mobil 1 oil change is $14.86 for me.

i don't even work for toyota i get free oil changes because i have a family member that works for them.

$23.95 for our customers. Not a bad deal, and your warranty will stay intact. I've seen the damage that jiffy lube does, and the peace of mind is worth it. Yes, the oil is included. The sweetest part of the deal is my employee discount -- I've got a 2000 Camry and a Mobil 1 oil change is $14.86 for me.

i don't even work for toyota i get free oil changes because i have a family member that works for them.

At least until they find out that Uncle Bob doesn't really own 12 cars! :)

Like most people have already mentioned and told, Jiffy sucks. My freind took his integra there for an oil change(have no idea why), and when he got home he called me up sayin that theres smoke comin out from under the hood. I go over to take a look, and they didnt even put the oil filter on tight, thing just turns. Oil changes should be done yourself or at the dealer since you can blame them for there mistakes.

$23.95 for our customers. Not a bad deal, and your warranty will stay intact.

Not bad, but let's not perpetuate the myth that you must have your car serviced at the dealer to keep the warranty intact.

As long as the car is serviced competently at the specified intervals and the service is documented with the appropriate notations in the owner's manual or other logbook your warranty will remain intact. It doesn't matter whether the service is done at the dealer, an independent shop, or in your own driveway.

If a manufacturer wishes to make dealer service manditory, they can do so only if the service is provided free of charge. That's by government regulation.

George


George,

You are completely right. I change all my own oil on both my cars. That way I will always know how tight the drain plug is on and the oil filter is hand tightened on. I also document in the owners manual or in case of Toyota or Scion, I document in the Schedule Maintenance Guide, Date, Mileage, and I sign it. That is really all you have to do. :D

So you just use your hand to loosen and remove the oil filter and hand tighten the new one?

So you just use your hand to loosen and remove the oil filter and hand tighten the new one?

You will have to use a filter wrench on the filter to take it off, but when you put it back on never ever use a filter wrench. Tighten with your hand until you can not turn it anymore. :D Sorry should have clarified alittle bit more in previous post.

And how many quarts are needed for the xB?

4 quarts!!! :D

Thanks for the info. Mobil1 is the best to use?

Reading this thread reminds me how naieve some people really are. Let me state right up front that I am a Toyota certified Master Diagnostic Technician with a bit of experiance (and some grey hair), but also enjoy cars and motorcycles in general. I'll pass on a few things I've learned along the way. First and foremost: Most any quick-lube place is not the place for your car if you like your car and want to take the best care of it you can. These places are where 16 yr. old nimrods get to learn on your car. They use the cheapest oil and filters available. Toyota oil filters have a patented anti-drainback valve in them to keep oil in the pump and oil passages after the car is turned off so when it is restarted the car has instant oil pressure. Have you ever noticed when removing a Toyota oil filter that it is invariably full and oil runs everywhere when you unscrew it? This is a good thing. Secondly, unless you live somewhere way the hell far away from here synthetic oils are of no practical advantage. Period. The car was designed to use SAE SJ energy-conserving oil and any can that has this seal contains oil that is proper for your car. The SAE tests these oils and rates them accordingly and you can bet your ___ these fellers are a lot smarter than you! The claims made by many synthetics are designed to sell oil and are the perfect solution to a non-existant problem at a much higher than normal price. You do the math. Next , let's move on to the dealership myths. My dealership charges $24.95 for an oil change. We use Quaker State semi-synthetic oil and Toyota oil filters. The person doing your oil change has seen a Toyota up close before and knows what he is looking at and working on. I have seen way to many examples of "saving a few bucks" that come back to bite you in the ___ real hard! A few examples are #1 wiper blades. Toyota sells the rubber inserts for your high-quality wiper blades for about $3. Bubba at Jiffy-lube will toss your $21 wiper blades in the ____-can and proceed to install a sweet set of $8 Ancos that will not last long and won't take the $3 inserts when you figure it out. #2 These fine fellers at Jiffy-lube will suddenly pronounce that it is time to replace your plug-wires and will happily sell you a set of cheap aftermarket wires that are worse than the original wires that supposedly need replacing. A month or two down the road when your car is missing it's a real ___-scratcher when they tell you you need new wires and you say "but those ARE new wires!" (DUH!) The tech looking over your car will see things in 2 minutes that you would never see. Think about it, these guys work on these cars all day every day for years and are extremelyfamiliar with them. Bubba might be seeing one for the first time. I work on cars all day, but if you brought me a new Ford or something I would not know anything about them or what to look for. Do you think Bubba knows that your new transmission takes TypeIV fluid? Want to find out? It always amazes me the ideas some people have about dealerships, Yea some of it may have been true many years ago, but people are too informed nowadays to put up with any bull____ or shady practices. Have you seen any dealerships on Dateline or 60 Minutes? Or was it Bubba at the independant shop who was trying to make a fast buck? I hope some of you guys don't shop for surgeons the way you shop for car repair or insurance for that matter....but that is another story~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott

Thanks for the view from the inside scott!

4 quarts!!! :D

Man thats a gallon!

I just got my 2nd free oil change this morning at 8500miles. I am kind of crazy about oil change. I replaced oil/filter at 600miles (DIY), 2500miles (DIY) and 5500miles (1st free change at Toyota). I had never dealt with any dealers before SCION. It has been good experience so far. People talk nasty about FRAM oil filter, but my experience with it hasn't been that bad. On my previous vehicle, 1988 Honda CRX, I had used FRAM oil filter for 10 years. I bought it brand new and put 250K miles before I sold it. At 250K miles, compression was still 95% of a brand new spec. My choice was Catrol GTX and FRAM oil filter. After the 3rd free oil change, I will start working on SCION by myself. I may go back to FRAM oil...

4 quarts!!! :D

Man thats a gallon!


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you went to jiffy lube for the first oil change.

*shakes head


you have just ruined the future of your car. you most likely have the wrong filter, and incorrect amount and wrong weight of some crappy oil in your engine. i wouldn't let jiffy lube clean my tires.


well, maybe if they paid me to clean my tires.


scott takes the cake on this one. im not old, but in my year of working I agree completely. except for the Ford part. you'd still know more of what to do than a jiffy guy if you were under one.

anytime a real bad problem comes into our dealer the story goes "i just had my (insert car part/system) fixed/replaced/worked on at (insert crappy save a buck shop)" we look at the car and one or a combination of the following occurs:

the wrong part is used
there are parts missing
something was installed backwards/upside down/broken/crossthread
something nearby the fix was broken (the sensors on air filter boxes anyone?)
they rigged some piece, like just put silicone around it to make it work, or ziptied something etc.

the list goes on and on. if you don't know about cars, befriend someone who does and/or learn. otherwise, be smart enough to pay the pros and maintain your vehicle.

Jiffy Lube not only overcharges, but they overtighten EVERYTHING, assuming they actually replace it. I had them change the oil on my Jeep once - got home and checked it all out and the plug was rounded off and it took 45 minutes and 3 different people to get the filter off when I went to change it myself. Never again. They can Jip their Lube on other peopless rides.

Ahhhhhh....back to the old oil drama.

First of all, I can only reiterate my feelings about using places like Jiffy Lube. I have been part of this forum for a couple of months now and from what I can tell people are pretty happy with their scions and seems to take great pride in caring for them. Washing and waxing, aftermods such as wheels and this or that kit. With this in mind I am at a loss as to why those same people choose to neglect the most important part of their car by taking it to a "Jiffy" whatever. Engine maintenance will always come first and foremost on my list. If you want to skimp on something then have some pimply kid wash the damn thing or inflate your tires, but engine fluids, no no, I have to draw the line.
I had a thought that perhaps some take their care to the "jiffy" because they are masochistic, tragic but possible, If this is the case before you take your scion to the "Jiffy" for another oil change just give me a call and I will come over so you can pay ME to take your money and kick you in the nuts. Cmon people, show as much pride in your engine mantinence as you do with your bling bling or whatever. I can change the oil in my xb in about a half hour, hell, who cant spare a half friggin hour.

Now with regard to the 3 free oil changes I can say through experiance you can get them ANYTIME you wish. I had my first oil change this week with 900 miles on the odometer with no problem.

With respect to the toyota tech that chimed in, I can say that the service at your dealer may be exceptional but please dont assume it is a standard. When I got my oil changed I was shocked that my tech didn't even speak english. Now you may say that has little to do with his knowledge of my xb except he told my father (who is quadralingual) that he had never worked on one before. Because of this he treated my xB as any other vehicle and tried to put in 10w-30 instead of 5w-30. Not a big deal really, but not exactly on the ball either. This is why regardless of where you have your car serviced you MUST always keep an eye on the tech. Today was the iol weight tomorrow maybe...who knows. More importantly this is why every owner should understand how correctly perform basic maintenance work on your vehicle. Oil changes I would definitly classify as BASIC!

It was also said that "synthetic oils are of no practical advantage". This statement CAN be true but is very subjective. If you are one of those people that drives like your mother, shifting at 2500-3000 rpm consistantly and never goes over 60mph then I would say synthetic oil is a waste of your money. HOWEVER, if you like to DRIVE your scion and let the few ponies out every chance you get, shift in the higher rpm band and drive 60+mph consistantly then you should CONSIDER a good synthetic. In the race industry we always use a basic valvoline for break in and then switch to Mobil 1 syn after. Why do we do this, because it means that car will be more likely to run 40 races instead of 30 before rebuild. Have you ever taken the head off a car that used syn as opposed to one that used reg. There IS a difference, at least from what I have seen. Now some will blast me because "racing" is very different from street, and this is true, but the difference has grown increasingly smaller in recent years. Ever since "tuning" cars became "cool" every jit from here to cali has been trying to redline their civic or integra. Either way, street or race, both have to deal with the same problems, heat, vescosity and wear. Synthetic is a TOOL and in my experiance has earned its place in my shop.

Long story short, I like to get every bit of power out of my strret cars and so I have no problem spending the extra couple of bucks to help ensure a long life for my power plant, all in all IMO it is really a small price to pay.

Sorry for the rant......

Ah, another one caught up in the hype. You contradict yourself without even knowing. If you change your oil every 3000 miles (or 5000 for that matter) could you tell us all what brand of oil is it that is breaking down or losing viscosity? My car goes into fuel-cut well below 7000rpm. Does yours rev higher or something? I live in Texas and it gets around 100 in the summer. Is that hot enough? I get oil for free and you know which one I use? Last time I grabbed Quaker State. Synthetics are not bad, just totally unneccessary in most cases. Lets say you were going to hang a picture on the wall. Not a large picture mind you, say 8x10. I whip out a finishing nail and tack hammer. Bubba whips out a railroad spike and sledge hammer and proceeds to tell me how much stronger his nail is, how it will last longer, the picture will hang better, it's more secure, etc........Is he right? Maybe in someones opinion. In my opinion, He has come up with the ultimate solution for a nonexistant problem. Good enough is good enough. Diminishing returns take over after good enough andare of no consequence. I have actually never worn a Toyota engine out. I don't recall ever seeing one that was really worn out. I've seen many that were neglected, but not worn out. I have just never actually seen a real benifit to using synthetics in a street car in most locations.But we makes our choices and spends our money any which way we want!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~scott

$23.95 for our customers. Not a bad deal, and your warranty will stay intact. I've seen the damage that jiffy lube does, and the peace of mind is worth it. Yes, the oil is included. The sweetest part of the deal is my employee discount -- I've got a 2000 Camry and a Mobil 1 oil change is $14.86 for me.

It s always better to go to your dealer for service !

nah im happy with jiffy lube

You sound like a guy that would take his sister to the prom- and expect to get lucky! Also you were a complete _______ to that guy who asked" what did you name your car?" You need a big dose of act-right.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~````scott