http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/10709/cat/500/page/
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/10707

not yet :cry:
I cannot afford it yet
or i should say " i need to get coilovers first "
at my present ride height i think it would be unacceptable
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/boboso/wCIMG1697.jpg

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

FU** the HATERS!!!! hahha!

Camber is for G's!!! :rofl:

Yes, I do, been installed since January.

I can now join the ranks too. Looks tight from the back

dude, your tires are only 17's? they look nice. good deal. okbye

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

1. I will keep my posts relevant and helpful.

yea.... dont see how laughing is helpful... :yawn:

whatever. looks pretty good JDMjim. as for Brad, you know I want your car :P :rofl:

Lets keep this up and see some more cars with camber :clap:

Scott

He's laughing because he's got it. Camber, that is.

i understand Mark. congrats to him then. he wont post pics on this board so his post is kinda useless IMHO. Brad posted because hes got it and doesnt mind showing pics of his cool xB on the boards here. you can find it here anywhere.

to each their own though.... :yawn:

scott

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

1. I will keep my posts relevant and helpful.

yea.... dont see how laughing is helpful... :yawn:

whatever. looks pretty good JDMjim. as for Brad, you know I want your car :P :rofl:

Lets keep this up and see some more cars with camber :clap:

Scott

I didn't know he was asking for help on this topic, I thought he is just showing what he got. But hey you are right, I shouldn't have posted anything in first place !!
Thanks Mark for clearfying that, yes I used to run 10 degree of camber in the back when no one was thinking about it, but they are already of my car, so I would have posted pictures of my car if I was running camber, JDMP :P :P :P :P :P

jdmjims xb looks kinda wierd, too much stuffin....in the fenders looks like his wheels don't fit or i dunno just not feelin it i guess

i got it, i know what is wrong............................................... NEGATIVE CAMBEF LOOKS like A$$
on any vehicle, but the rest of the xb looks great...............

It took 2 posts just to say you don't like it? You must've known that before you even clicked on the thread... Why try to bring someone down?

i got it, i know what is wrong............................................... NEGATIVE CAMBEF LOOKS like A$$
on any vehicle, but the rest of the xb looks great...............
^-- that kind of crap is why I don't like to share to much info or post pics. In this case, I already shared too much info. Oh well. I once again guess I should keep my ideas to myself.

JDMJIM....its ME!

Your box is HOT!!!


Esp those wheels and the way they camber... :love: :love:


But Im ummmm just an old lady and ummm doesn't that make your tires wear out faster and in the old school days wasn't that like a butterfly effect?? Or something like that was a butterfly right??


HOT HOT HOT BOX!!!!


:tap: Sheesh I wish I could see Seans box ... but I can see why I can't . :(

:arrow: difference of opinion doesn't mean be an arse!!!

i got it, i know what is wrong............................................... NEGATIVE CAMBEF LOOKS like A$$
on any vehicle, but the rest of the xb looks great...............
^-- that kind of crap is why I don't like to share to much info or post pics. In this case, I already shared too much info. Oh well. I once again guess I should keep my ideas to myself.

Jim,

There are only a certain few who enjoy "the look". I'll call it that as I don't want to get into anymore debates about having the look, its origin, and why it looks a certain way.

Some peeps will like it, some won't.

Those they do appreciate, and those who don't, just ignore them.

There are plenty of h8rs in this owrld and I know I've had my share of it from here.

Please keep posting the new mods so the rest of can enjoy it.

Same applies to Sean.

i got it, i know what is wrong............................................... NEGATIVE CAMBEF LOOKS like A$$
on any vehicle, but the rest of the xb looks great...............
^-- that kind of crap is why I don't like to share to much info or post pics. In this case, I already shared too much info. Oh well. I once again guess I should keep my ideas to myself.

Jim,

There are only a certain few who enjoy "the look". I'll call it that as I don't want to get into anymore debates about having the look, its origin, and why it looks a certain way.

Some peeps will like it, some won't.

Those they do appreciate, and those who don't, just ignore them.

There are plenty of h8rs in this owrld and I know I've had my share of it from here.

Please keep posting the new mods so the rest of can enjoy it.

Same applies to Sean.

seriously, there are enough haters. who cares what others think. you do it for you. now if you talk crap and dont expect it to come back, youre retarded. but if not, who cares. there are too many people on this board that thinks that if it doesnt look the way they think it should, then its dumb. if we all had boxes that looked the same, THAT would be retarded.

i like all box. even XBs.

anyway. tho i may not dig what one does, i dont hate on someone if they do something they enjoy and wanna share.

basically, if you dont dig it, go right it down in your diary and keep it to yourself and your little sister to find out later.

looks good. :clap:

I got my camber and I am loving it. :D Any want camber? PM me.

http://www.precisionmuffler.com/72cad020.jpg

i got it, i know what is wrong............................................... NEGATIVE CAMBEF LOOKS like A$$
on any vehicle, but the rest of the xb looks great...............

Lets see pics of your car!! AHHAHA. This is too much fun! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

One good thing to remember. :)
Those who Talk SH IT dont have SH IT!!!

All PMs concerning camber and camber plates have been answered.

am i a honda offset having person.....???
i love that camber look but it won't go well with the wheels i have....

Gabe, can a little old lady have camber?? lol

Like say in November?? ;)


But can someone tell me if makes the tires wear faster....:D

Gabe, can a little old lady have camber?? lol

Like say in November?? ;)


But can someone tell me if makes the tires wear faster....:D

Only if its not properly aligned.

^---Thanks, my husband was asking about that. He likes the look a lot but was thinking he'd be changing tires quite often.

:D

I have over 7K on my NeoGens and they are wearing nicely.

http://www.signalschematix.com/bBxBs/signalcamber.jpg

and nobody wanted the wheels! :doh:

you were / are running camber??
i guess its the time of year everyone is broke....
i sure am...

i got it, i know what is wrong............................................... NEGATIVE CAMBEF LOOKS like A$$
on any vehicle, but the rest of the xb looks great...............
^-- that kind of crap is why I don't like to share to much info or post pics. In this case, I already shared too much info. Oh well. I once again guess I should keep my ideas to myself.

^=====the xb looks great.........just not the camber...........the wheels look to wide to be stuffed in to the fenders, 2 degrees or less negative camber is usally acceptable, if the wheels already tuck nicley, but just about everyone i know and have come across in my years of customizing vheicles usually tries to remedy negative camber.....................
besides with a comment like that........seems as if you are fishing for positive comments that is lame,,..........if you post here expect comments that are good and bad.......take the good take the bad, and go on...........................

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/13393tcmpic.jpg
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/13393tcmpic2.jpg
http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/data/500/13393tvpic.jpg

here are pics of my xb you all must think it is superfantastic...........oh yeah i don't really care what anyone thinks.........must be cause i don't have sh it.......hmm i guess i will keep trying to make it have some negative camber or somthing....cause then it will have something like no-one else has.......

My wheels without camber actually barely hang out from the fenders. I like both looks though. With camber on the back, I could go down to maybe +17, +15 maybe. That would still be within the stock fenders. I could also go wider on the rim as well.

toasterbox- :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

got camber 36 hours ago

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/717/screenshot0411ea.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


195/50/15 Goodyear F1's on steel with $20 Rally brand plastic wheel covers painted Krylon Fusion yellow.

I don't do the camber for style. I do it for -handling-. Owwwww, Yellow Peril tucks into CORNERS so much better now.

Bring on the chainsaw thieves! :rofl:

I have over 7K on my NeoGens and they are wearing nicely.

Hey Brad, I was curious to know what tire psi you are running to gain maximum tread life for daily driving?

Thanks!

i read an interesting article on Jtuned.com with Nobuteru (JGTC driver)
he had intersting comments semi-relative to this thread

J2N: What is your most memorable automotive experience?
NOB: My most memorable automotive experience is with my 4th Hachi-roku. I loved that car to death. For me it was the car that I can control freely as I commanded. The setup was perfect. But back in the day, there was a time when something called “Oni-can” (translated “demon camber”) was popular. “Oni-can” is when you apply obscene amounts of negative camber. I tried this and ended up totaling the car near my neighborhood while drifting. I never liked the look in the first place, but now I know never to do it again.


hahaha YEAH!!
DEMON CAMBER!!!!!!

did he mention back in the day??? and what was he thinking drifting in his neighborhood and not on the track??? to each his own. i'm still in love with the cambered look.

I think my next move is to tune the newly installed Tein Basics' spring rates. Along with this I'll be trimming my camber... adding some negative camber by use of Eibach cambering bolts in the front strut lower mounts. (Idea suggested to me by Brian Sorenson)

That is, I will be TUNING my suspension for flatter cornering. This means: replace the Tein's standard springs with stiffer rates. And careful! addition of neg. camber to the front. Very possibly I'll be -reducing- the rear camber but not for any "demon" reason. I'm not nearly on that edge yet.

The car is very tractable as it stands today with heavy rear camber and a lot of body roll on these Tein Basic's -soft- standard springs.

heres mine... i love it.... ya im neg camber beotches..... n yes i backed into a car.. :nope: http://image54.webshots.com/54/5/41/15/441354115LinHzM_ph.jpg

Gabe, can a little old lady have camber?? lol

Like say in November?? ;)

But of cousre, infact I may deliver it myself since I will be in Las vegas in November. :D OneTonGarage camber plates are available here>>> www.PrecisionMuffler.com

:lalala: Gee I wonder if I knew you'd be here or if it was a lucky guess!! lol

Im seriously considering this but I'll PM you the details so you know what I mean. :wink:


Thanks!!

:lalala: Gee I wonder if I knew you'd be here or if it was a lucky guess!! lol

Im seriously considering this but I'll PM you the details so you know what I mean. :wink:


Thanks!!

:P Got the PM and it looks like I am going to have a working vacation. :D Looks like there is going to be another vegas meet in November.

:bow: Thanks Gabe!!

For everything!! :D

:love:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/Sarcasmkillsme/100_0644.jpg

:bow: Thanks Gabe!!

For everything!! :D

No problem, I am here to help. :D

http://www.hammertam.com/camber2/doeysxb5.jpg
i love that picture... -4.5

i love that picture too.

I think my next move is to tune the newly installed Tein Basics' spring rates. Along with this I'll be trimming my camber... adding some negative camber by use of Eibach cambering bolts in the front strut lower mounts. (Idea suggested to me by Brian Sorenson)

That is, I will be TUNING my suspension for flatter cornering. This means: replace the Tein's standard springs with stiffer rates. And careful! addition of neg. camber to the front. Very possibly I'll be -reducing- the rear camber but not for any "demon" reason. I'm not nearly on that edge yet.

The car is very tractable as it stands today with heavy rear camber and a lot of body roll on these Tein Basic's -soft- standard springs.

Now I don't know a lot about Tein and their damping rates of their shocks. But be careful about installing stiffer springs on a "basic" system. Shocks may not hold up as well.

I think my next move is to tune the newly installed Tein Basics' spring rates. Along with this I'll be trimming my camber... adding some negative camber by use of Eibach cambering bolts in the front strut lower mounts. (Idea suggested to me by Brian Sorenson)

That is, I will be TUNING my suspension for flatter cornering. This means: replace the Tein's standard springs with stiffer rates. And careful! addition of neg. camber to the front. Very possibly I'll be -reducing- the rear camber but not for any "demon" reason. I'm not nearly on that edge yet.

The car is very tractable as it stands today with heavy rear camber and a lot of body roll on these Tein Basic's -soft- standard springs.

Now I don't know a lot about Tein and their damping rates of their shocks. But be careful about installing stiffer springs on a "basic" system. Shocks may not hold up as well.

They've been working fine w/ my Wagons. I talked to a TEIN tech/engineer at length before I settled on my new springs and spring rates.

http://www.hammertam.com/camber2/doeysxb5.jpg
i love that picture... -4.5

I'M IN :love: :love: :love:

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

hahaJoey,

Is that your box??

What size lip do those Eurolines have.... :lalala: just wondering....lol


Thanks! :D

yeah tahts my box. i dont have big lips..
just have whatever sized lips..
i jsut run spacers and shims and get them flush..

hahajoey..that is looking good. im interested in camber more now. OTG here i come

OTG is what i recommend

Jim, you wondered: Now I don't know a lot about Tein and their damping rates of their shocks. But be careful about installing stiffer springs on a "basic" system. Shocks may not hold up as well.They are pretty surely the same shocks as used in the Super Street, only lacking the adjustable restriction in the main circuit. Hmmm... I will ask them to be sure though. Thanks, Reid


yeah thats my box. i dont have big lips..
just have whatever sized lips..
i just run spacers and shims and get them flush..
Mighty fine, mighty fine looking... and you're funny, too. GREAT picture!

to drifters: I wonder how much neg camber I need in front. Experience and my own taste will tell in time. OTG rear camber is -3 and this makes the rear really steer around a sharp turn. There's not so much understeer as before. If I camber the front wheels heavily too I may be into this mode (neat quote):

i read an interesting article on Jtuned.com with Nobuteru (JGTC driver)
he had intersting comments semi-relative to this thread

J2N: What is your most memorable automotive experience?
NOB: My most memorable automotive experience is with my 4th Hachi-roku. I loved that car to death. For me it was the car that I can control freely as I commanded. The setup was perfect. But back in the day, there was a time when something called “Oni-can” (translated “demon camber”) was popular. “Oni-can” is when you apply obscene amounts of negative camber. I tried this and ended up totaling the car near my neighborhood while drifting. I never liked the look in the first place, but now I know never to do it again.


hahaha YEAH!!
DEMON CAMBER!!!!!!
Indeed, 'possums! Indeed! http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/658/screenshot0933hc.jpg (http://imageshack.us) said Dame Edna, victim of way too much Demon Camber
in "her" own tuning :ttth:

:lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: just having fun now.

http://www.hammertam.com/camber2/doeysxb5.jpg
i love that picture... -4.5
Well, Joey, so do I. For you, a lame verse
about camber steering past the outer limits






I hadda B wit' camber :doh:,
so cool and looking super tucked.
But when I steered too quick one day
it oversteered. Oh crap! I'm ----ed!
















http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2453/screenshot0945wx.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



:rofl: ?
I hope so

You're a funny one Scifly! HAHHA! :) :)

LOL

for sure the added negative camber didn't improve
my steering, cornering or anything.
in fact it limited it(in my opinion).

but considering we drive econoboxes
that are bascially echo's with a diff shell..
i dont think anyone should be "handling all crazy"
anyways.

oh yeah. when i used to corner, it handled a lot better.
i do however, prefer the look/stance of the added camber.
if i can have it "any" way i want, i would probably go
1.5 degree's less. i think its a bit much.

Hi Joey. Ah, but I may see now why you hold forth that the rear camber did not aid your cornering.
I suspect, and reason below that too much camber fails to plant the tire a proper footprint on cornering.

For instance, I suspect on my own car that 3 degrees is probably more than is really needed to plant the rear tire flat on hard cornering, even with a lot of body roll.

For illustration of the concept, jack up the opposite side of the cambered car (I have done this) and look at the verticality of the cambered rear wheel on opposite side.
I think it would be ideal if that tire became quite perfectly verticle on moderately hard cornering.
This would require either knowing our body roll quotient, or more ideally, limiting body roll by suspension stiffness -and then- dialing in rear camber (front, too, if wanted) for maximally flat tire footprint for that condition.

I -think- this setup might give the best, most neutral cornering.

We must consider too that when a cambered tire, -which is toed out by necessity of tread life considerations- is made to run vertical, then it's toe-out becomes an added steering force.
In the purer example of cambered rear, the toe out will become an important tendency towards swinging the rear out, as into an oversteer characteristic.
Joey, if your cambered rear does not have this toe-out (if i say) and IF your camber is much in excess of the body roll characteristic (it is), then there you are proved to your actual experience: it did not aid your cornering. It's a fine look, though. Slickly sick for sure.

There's much for me to learn about steering geometry and this n.c. characteristic. At this early point in my learning all I can do is observe my own car, listen to others and look at the thin record regarding "Demon Camber".

---


As you see now the humor several spaces above has a point:
-to reinforce the hard info.
-to make instructional thoughts amusing.
-to encourage the man -with all the camber- to let out his own vision of "the rest of the story". Thank you for that, man..

with a smile and wishing fun for all,
Reid

Understeer frightens the driver
Oversteer frightens the passengers