I am new to this forum and all of the modding to these japanese cars, i would just like to know more about this supercharger, any info would be great. thanx in advance.


http://scionsport.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/24/products_id/164?osCsid=dc35cb356a34a332b2957bdd5f3707ca

do a search under xb supercharger...Tons of topics!! Always do this first

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/search.php
there you go..search is your friend

hope you get the info you need.

their are two blowers avalable as i know of.

Blitz and Power Enterprises.

run a search on them both, then go whatever direction you go

But make sure you do the fiollowing.

RESEARCH.

you cant just throw on a blower and beat the sh out of it, it requires fine tuining of the air fuel ratio. and delivery at top end/high boost. then you gotta worry about cooling because compressed air creates friction/heat. so forth and so on.

I dont wanna scare you but research deep into this before you just slap on the blower and drive off.

Youll go through engines quickly that way :wink:

-Paul

Screw Superchargers, they aren't worth the money.

Buying the SCis just the beginning anyway.

Screw Superchargers, they aren't worth the money.


Ok I'll bite why do you say that? :tap:

Cause I have helped install one and I have seen it in action.

I have seen a SC'ed auto xB lose to a NA stick xB.

What a 5-spd xB with an SC then?

Cause I have helped install one and I have seen it in action.

I have seen a SC'ed auto xB lose to a NA stick xB.
I have seen different reults..check out matchbox's xb approx 50% more whp....I have seen it run being behind it..much faster than mine and it is reliable he has the power enterprises sc

i rather have a supercharger than turbo anyday.

yeah the install may be a PITA but being reliable is important to me

yep

Lets see here... About 130hp @ the crank (the ones with 141whp have more then just the S/C on there car) So you figure thats a gain of about 25hp over stock 06 numbers. So you paid $3,000 for 25 hp = $120/hp. Not to bad, but still not a real bang for the buck. My intake, even if it only gave me 2hp was then $42.5/hp. So there are cheaper things that can be done, to get a better cost to power gain. The only problem is, that the S/C & Turbos give the most power gains.

yeah keep in you'll never really get those big increases in hp without boost...and the other periphial bolton as you go deeper into them economies of scale take over

Cause I have helped install one and I have seen it in action.

I have seen a SC'ed auto xB lose to a NA stick xB.
I have seen different reults..check out matchbox's xb approx 50% more whp....I have seen it run being behind it..much faster than mine and it is reliable he has the power enterprises sc

But Matchbox has done a whole lot more than just the SC.

The supercharger may only add roughly 30hp, but it is the perfect base to build off of and get more power, matchbox it the perfect example!

The day after Matchbox bolted on that SC we ran the 1/8 at a car show. It made a huge difference in other wise pretty equal cars( we even had basically the same exhausts). He could get almost a second faster in the 1/8 which is quite a bit considering the PE makes power relatively high in the RPM band. Both our reaction times were pretty bad, so were the 60s but as soon as that thing had a chance to spool it made a real difference. So take it for what its worth, IMHO the PE is a damn good platform for making an XB quite a bit faster.

The day after Matchbox bolted on that SC we ran the 1/8 at a car show. It made a huge difference in other wise pretty equal cars( we even had basically the same exhausts). He could get almost a second faster in the 1/8 which is quite a bit considering the PE makes power relatively high in the RPM band. Both our reaction times were pretty bad, so were the 60s but as soon as that thing had a chance to spool it made a real difference. So take it for what its worth, IMHO the PE is a damn good platform for making an XB quite a bit faster.
As I recall you said he turned off and you were still on the track......

As I recall you said he turned off and you were still on the track......
It wasn't quite that bad :lalala:

blitz is like 123 whp. .. and any auto is AUTOmatically a slower car. lol i can hang with modded tc's in my modded 5spd.

and as far as screw type being wastes of money. talk to anyone with a glader or a whipple.........


the centrifugal one ( like power enterprises ) is better suited to higher rpm motors. but both work quite well on these motors. alot less problems than ANY turbo kit currently available.

umm the twin screws are AWESOME!,,,,,used a few times..and currently my TB SC has one..hmmmm 315lbs tourque stock...before mods...out of a 3.8 V6..yeah thats terrible :silly: :silly: :roll:

Either one is good if properly tuned. The Blitz unit is designed for a small increase not to make it a race car.

I don't about you, but for 3K I better be getting more than a small increase.

ive had experiences with a sc and turbo car b4 (sc honda civic / tc honda crx)...a turbo is far better as far making power / adjustability

ive had experiences with a sc and turbo car b4 (sc honda civic / tc honda crx)...a turbo is far better as far making power / adjustability

What area are you from? With a screen name like that you have to be in our club.......lol.

wow.....
all this BS from folks that do not have these products on their scions.

you cant just throw on a blower and beat the sh out of it, it requires fine tuining of the air fuel ratio. and delivery at top end/high boost. then you gotta worry about cooling because compressed air creates friction/heat. so forth and so on.


the PE kit is complete and requires no further tuning to be effective for the life of the car.

bolt it on and go.

Lets see here... About 130hp @ the crank (the ones with 141whp have more then just the S/C on there car) So you figure thats a gain of about 25hp over stock 06 numbers. So you paid $3,000 for 25 hp = $120/hp. Not to bad, but still not a real bang for the buck. My intake, even if it only gave me 2hp was then $42.5/hp. So there are cheaper things that can be done, to get a better cost to power gain. The only problem is, that the S/C & Turbos give the most power gains.

the extra stuff you claim on S/C cars do not add more than a few hp. (5 maybe)
the stock hp is 92 whp (5spd)
after the S/C 138 whp (5spd)
46 hp gain...very goo numbers on an otherwise stock xB

price 2,400

$52/hp very close to any other mod cost/hp ratio

Cause I have helped install one and I have seen it in action.

I have seen a SC'ed auto xB lose to a NA stick xB.
I have seen different reults..check out matchbox's xb approx 50% more whp....I have seen it run being behind it..much faster than mine and it is reliable he has the power enterprises sc

But Matchbox has done a whole lot more than just the SC.
yeah, heavy 19's
vertical doors...
stereo...

if you think his other mods have given him monster HP numbers you are just being silly...
take a deep breath and relax...

Maybe it's just the Blitz that sucks then. :P

But, when I mentioned the other stuff Matchbox had done, I was talking performance stuff. Like all this: "Power Enterprise Cam-Con , 320cc injectors, Polished ceramic header, Hi-flow cat , Full cat back Magnaflow exhaust, SPEC stage 3 race clutch , Rear O2 bypass , DIY Ground voltage stabilizer , 4awg Grounding kit". Thats from his profile.

ive had experiences with a sc and turbo car b4 (sc honda civic / tc honda crx)...a turbo is far better as far making power / adjustability

on a Honda you are correct.

Maybe it's just the Blitz that sucks then. :P

But, when I mentioned the other stuff Matchbox had done, I was talking performance stuff. Like all this: "Power Enterprise Cam-Con , 320cc injectors, Polished ceramic header, Hi-flow cat , Full cat back Magnaflow exhaust, SPEC stage 3 race clutch , Rear O2 bypass , DIY Ground voltage stabilizer , 4awg Grounding kit". Thats from his profile.
i'll give you the Blitz...it does suck somewhat.

Cam-Con did not give him much (he is ditching it for a better system)
injectors...no HP gain, just preventing it from leaning out too badly
the exhaust system did give him 3hp
voltage stabilizer and grounding kit...still under debate if it could add hp. it might smooth out the idle but not really adding hp.

the clutch has to be done as the stock clutch can not handle more than 100 hp (even people without boosting have issues with slipping clutches)

i don't know enough about bypassing the rear O2 sensor to know what if any hp increases it gives.

I can't argue with you about this stuff cause you know a helluva lot more about than I do. I just know, with my 5 speed xB with I,H,E, I can beat an auto xB with I,H,E and a Blitz SC.

i also know that my 5spd with I/H and axle back beat a stock tC (auto) (before i did the S/C)

you know enough of the blitz to comment on it (install and performance (or lack of...)) i am not doubting the claims made about the Blitz.
i do know what is required to install the Blitz, and it is considerable more work than the PE.
i know the Blitz does not produce as much power as other kits do.
so i am not doubting those claims. it is the general statements made by some others or the assumptions that give people the wrong ideas.

you do bring up a good point about Autos.
they do suck in boosted applications.
they suffer the same problems as the sticks do, they cannot handle the power. the torque converters are not up to the task of a boosted application. at least in the stick you can get a new clutch to get the power down.

the extra stuff you claim on S/C cars do not add more than a few hp. (5 maybe)
the stock hp is 92 whp (5spd)
after the S/C 138 whp (5spd)
46 hp gain...very goo numbers on an otherwise stock xB

price 2,400

$52/hp very close to any other mod cost/hp ratio

Where did you find the PE300 for $2400.00? I know that HPJunkies has just the head unit for $2400, but the rest of the kit is $3560.00. The cheapest I've seen it is $2995.00. I would like to find one at 24...

do you have a link for the HPJunkies???

it was just something i came across and the price was right so i picked it up....
it was a year ago, so i don't remember who/where but it was 2,400.00 shipped.
install is easy (if you can do an intake and change your own oil you can do this install)

I can't argue with you about this stuff cause you know a helluva lot more about than I do. I just know, with my 5 speed xB with I,H,E, I can beat an auto xB with I,H,E and a Blitz SC. a xb with a 5 speed with i,h,e will not beat a s/c auto xb - an i,h,e only give you between 5-8 hp and thats 5500 rpm with no real gain at low rpm and a small gain at mid rpm - while in the other hand a s/c gives you hp gains from mid rpm to high rpm - just so you know

I can't argue with you about this stuff cause you know a helluva lot more about than I do. I just know, with my 5 speed xB with I,H,E, I can beat an auto xB with I,H,E and a Blitz SC. a xb with a 5 speed with i,h,e will not beat a s/c auto xb - an i,h,e only give you between 5-8 hp and thats 5500 rpm with no real gain at low rpm and a small gain at mid rpm - while in the other hand a s/c gives you hp gains from mid rpm to high rpm - just so you know

I think they have actually raced, he's not just talking hyothetically.

Ok, I am the guy that is getting ragged on.

Yes my S/C is not doing to hot at the moment.

I am having fuel management issues again with my xB. Blitz sent me another fuel controller, and it did help with the problems I had with the older one. Now I am having other issues. It is not getting enough gas to compensate for the air as I have I, E, H.

I am trying to work with Blitz to fix this issue. I have spoken with a few technicians at blitz and waiting for a response. So yes, at this point in time, Jon can beat my Box, my Supercharger is running like poop right now. I just hope that Blitz comes up with a good suggestion to fix this problem without diggin further into my wallet!

Once my S/C is running the way it should be, I think Jon will change his opinion about it all! But he did spend many hours with me installing it so I'm not going to rag on him to much! :P

I can't argue with you about this stuff cause you know a helluva lot more about than I do. I just know, with my 5 speed xB with I,H,E, I can beat an auto xB with I,H,E and a Blitz SC. a xb with a 5 speed with i,h,e will not beat a s/c auto xb - an i,h,e only give you between 5-8 hp and thats 5500 rpm with no real gain at low rpm and a small gain at mid rpm - while in the other hand a s/c gives you hp gains from mid rpm to high rpm - just so you know

I think they have actually raced, he's not just talking hyothetically.

:lalala:

I just got off the phone with Blitz again, they are sending me another fuel controller as they think there may be something wrong with the one they sent me. They are actually going to test this one on their xB before they ship it to make sure it is not the fuel controller. If this does not fix my problem, I guess I better check my wiring for the 100th time to make sure everything is where it should be.

Blitz said that an N/A Stick xB should not beat me in a quarter mile. Even with same bolt ons I have minus the charger, there should not be a contest.

This is coming from Blitz technicians.

Hey I heard my name. Ah speaking of cheap PE300s I got mne for I think $1600 shipped. I can't really remember. I have had it for over a year now. Oh and I even got it warrantied and bought it used. The charger had a needle bearing to go out. PE said it was the first they had seen of that. PE Japan shipped me a new one no charge.

man $1600 - dirt cheap on PE. I've run out of things to do to the orange box, considering selling it just so I don't have to look at it anymore - might go ahead and kill the warranty on the motor (like I gave a crap to begin with) - and s/c it. I don't ever shop around for prices, but if I found a $1600 pe s/c, I'd snatch it up quick.

yea i would buy one for $1600 and I dont even have the box anymore...I just know some people in my club would die for that thing and I would be more than happy to help them put it in for them.

Sorry if this has already been covered, but can anyone please post some links to where I can find these two kits that are currently available? Does anyone have any pics of the units installed?

I can't argue with you about this stuff cause you know a helluva lot more about than I do. I just know, with my 5 speed xB with I,H,E, I can beat an auto xB with I,H,E and a Blitz SC. a xb with a 5 speed with i,h,e will not beat a s/c auto xb - an i,h,e only give you between 5-8 hp and thats 5500 rpm with no real gain at low rpm and a small gain at mid rpm - while in the other hand a s/c gives you hp gains from mid rpm to high rpm - just so you know
it gives more than 5-8hp.

and i can beat an auto turbo xb with my slipping clutch. i can also beat auto tc's with small mods. and can hang with 5spd tc's.

i'm running 15.8 with i/h/e/pulley. last i checked anyway. lol.

15.8............. where's the timeslip, cause I can't see that in an xB and it is naturaly aspirated 5 speed.

and i can beat an auto turbo xb with my slipping clutch. i can also beat auto tc's with small mods. and can hang with 5spd tc's.

i'm running 15.8 with i/h/e/pulley. last i checked anyway. lol.

Im sorry Darren but theres no way you could beat my auto turbo xB...no way :no:

and i can beat an auto turbo xb with my slipping clutch. i can also beat auto tc's with small mods. and can hang with 5spd tc's.

i'm running 15.8 with i/h/e/pulley. last i checked anyway. lol.

Im sorry Darren but theres no way you could beat my auto turbo xB...no way :no:
maybe not your's vito but i've beaten one around here. it's ok he'll have the turbo back in and hopefully fixed ha ha so he says... lol i'll beat him again .

Here is a picture of the Power Enterprise PE300.

http://www.scionlife.com/gallery/personal/1691_5.jpg

How hard is the PE to install?