i know the tC is going to get a lot of attention because it seems like a great car for the money...but i dont want to see one at every intersection i pull up to like a WRX or 350Z...i want to have something unique.

hopefully the tC wont sell like a camry

i know the tC is going to get a lot of attention because it seems like a great car for the money...but i dont want to see one at every intersection i pull up to like a WRX or 350Z...i want to have something unique.

hopefully the tC wont sell like a camry
don't you think that's what's happening to the xB nowadays? if you think it happened to the WRX and 350z which are both priced more than the tC then chances are, you will see tCs everywhere!!! :wink:

personally, i dont think it will sell as much as the wrx or 350z... As it stands right now to me, I dont think the tc will be produced in mass numbers. I would say production would probably max out at probably 50,000 units. To me I see the scion and the tc to extent as a niche brand. Scion, as I see it, is started as a entry-economical brand which 18 to 30 yr olds can purchase, see it as a valuable brand, then when they are old enough move on to a toyota such as a camry or corolla. So no I dont think we'll see the Tc everywhere on the road. 8)

^^^ that would be nice.

don't you think that's what's happening to the xB nowadays? if you think it happened to the WRX and 350z which are both priced more than the tC then chances are, you will see tCs everywhere!!!

no actually i dont see the xB very often at all...i hope it stays that way with the tC...scion hasnt gained a very respectable name yet like nissan (350z) or subaru (wrx) has because it is so new...therefore there shouldnt be TOO many on the road...the tC however is the best model yet so we'll see...its also more expensive

the number i heard for the tC is 80,000 units, but hey. . . who am I :P

Most people don't buy the 350Z cause they can't afford it, same goes with STi and WRX...

Supply and demand people... The number Scion throws out isn't set in stone... If people buy, the number grows, if people hold back, the number shrinks...

Price is the determining factor and at 16,800 estimate... You'll see TOO many IMO... This is just pure business and economical fact....

Not sure if Scion intended, but I live in Virginia and I have seen only ONE xB and no xAs. Granted it has only been on sale since February but I have also seen only one TV ad. I guess Scion is going to put out a lot of commercials and advertisements in June what all the Scions go on sale nationwide.

Kevin

Yeah, I hear LOTS of advertisments on Atlanta radio stations, but I have only seen one xB, and not one xA. Gosh it would sucks to see tCs everywhere.

Not sure if Scion intended, but I live in Virginia and I have seen only ONE xB and no xAs. Granted it has only been on sale since February but I have also seen only one TV ad. I guess Scion is going to put out a lot of commercials and advertisements in June what all the Scions go on sale nationwide.

Kevin

I'm in Richmond, VA and have only seen one xB (Silver) on the road (at a taco bell drive thru). :D And I also saw one parked at a house in my neighborhood. So I guess I've seen just two outside of the dealers.
And I have not seen any xA's outside of the dealers.

Most people don't buy the 350Z cause they can't afford it, same goes with STi and WRX...



where i live many people can afford these cars...i dont see the STi too much but come to Irvine and try to count on two hands how many 350Zs or WRXs you see in one day...then again i see a lot of advertisement for both these cars...

thats true, here in southern california, about every other person owns a Z. The wrx isn't as plentaful, but it's getting there. I wish the tC had a limited number per year...less than 80K.

hopefully the TRD tC will be limited, so theres not a buch of those runnin around

i just hope the tC doesnt become a like a civic. the xa and xb are being sold in san antonio. i've seen some around town already. so when the tC come out, i think ill see some tC's around here... even at my school. i know a guy who wants a tC at my school. that'll be 1 plus mine... i just hope they dont become such haters and say i copied them and start doing isht to my car when i get it...

I live in Dallas and I have never seen an xA or xB on the road.

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i've seen 3 xb's, 1 xa's, 6 wrx's and 5 350z's so far in the last 1 month

I see just about 2 of everything every day... Just about enough Civics as I have hair... Sames goes for Corolla... We just have too many cars here in SF....

I think in the registry here, there are only 26 or so xA, and like 150 xB... That's going from memory.

Are all the tCs gonna look alike? There aren't as many options as the xB or xA right?

i heard there will be around 15 options for the tC...ill find out in mid May exactly what the are because ill need to decide on these options for mine :D

there should be about as much options for the tc as there are for the xa and xb

one thing people have to remember is that the tC will be scion's volume leader a'la Camry. they're saying its going to account for 40% of scion sales, so i don't think it'll be a limited production type vehicle. get ready to see more tC on the roads than a xB in a year. if what they're saying about the price is true they will sell like starbucks latte on a cold day. :wink:

Where are you guys getting you information from?

I would like to get a TC model........and a xA too. 3 Scions would be cool.

Hopefully it wont have the same volume as the celica, there have been more then a few times when I have been at an intersection and saw a celica going in EVERY direction, uhg.

It will take several years before the tC is widely seen on the highway (which is great for us buying the tC early in production).

Kevin

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Come on, a cool car will always be a cool car.

I think people should just stop worrying about other people and just settle...

I swear I don't know if this is mature but to me it just gets old how it's always about the other person...

All I know is, I'll have ~150 dB in my tC and hopefully run low 14s... Someone else can do what I do and I'd be a good friend of that person since we share so much in taste... The more people who likes this, the more friends I can make...

If I'm the only one... Then I guess I'm the envy of this post...

^^^ i dont care if somebody else has the same car as me. i just dont want them to take my taste of styling my car and call it theirs.

Maybe they got the car first and actually made it into what you're driving before you did? So is it ok the other way around then? Or does it even matter :D

i have 2 meanings of what i mean

1) lets say somebody at your school who doesnt like scion at all. none of them, xa xb tc. then they see you have the car then they go get it, same color and everything. you start to add your own taste to your car and then the next week or month or so, they have the same thing as you on their car and say they had it first and say that you copied them.

2) the person at your school has the car first. then you get the same car like a few months later but you didnt know that somebody already had the same car. they dont say anything about it at first until you start to fix up your car. they plan to keep their car stock, but as they see you fixing up your car. they start to copy your styling. they when people start to compliment on your car, the other person will start talking isht and say that you copied them.

most people at my school get jealous and then start to talk isht. i dont know. i dont care if they get the same car... just dont start saying that i copied them or theirs is better or start doing isht to my car.

Haha,

I never had any cash to fix up a car in highschool anyways. :shock:

Funny, we here in Michigan don't officially have any, but so far I've seen 5 xB's and 3 xA's. But they've all been at Toyota dealer's lots, none on the road. And I've probably seen these because I've gone LOOKING for them, since I have no patience and can't wait until June. Regardless, I'm moving back East by then so I can get one there anyway!

i was just putting it as an example

Well I know how it is in highschool... But you'll grow to notice how silly and weird this sounds when you grow older... I'm only 22...

If someone hate xB or xA and tC... If they had the money to buy the car just to mess with your head... Trust me, they can probably buy a lot more anyway :D (like show you up in a M3, and you don't want this do you? heh) You yourself should really feel lucky and count your blessings you are getting a NEW car... Back when I learned to drive, I got my dad's 91 Camry 4 cyl... That car isn't pimp and it sure wasn't new...

Seriously, if they get the same car as you, just score the hot girl that they can't have... I'd be damn if they can copy you there... If you can't get the hot girl... Get the good grades then show them up with your S600 when you're older...

If you seroiusly don't want people to copy you, then get yourself a Kia... If you don't like the Kia, then you're probably in the SAME point of view as someone who'll buy a tC :D

See, instead of thinking of what people will think... MAKE them think what you want them to think... If they have a tC, ask them to join you in a local tC club and share your tastes... Thats what I've been trying to say from the start :D

like i said before. they can have the same car as me, i dont care. its just when they say that you copied them when you have the car first or when you get the car after them not know if they had it before. i dont like it when they start saying ____ about you or start doing ____ to your car.

My first car was a 91 Sable. :)

I actually miss that car. We used to call it the Batmobile.

Show you my age. My first car was a brand new 1979 DATSUN (not Nissan yet) B-210 hatchback. Great car but no power or A/C........


Kevin

It's funny cause my first car is a 91 Camry power everything now I drive a 90 LS Integra with NOTHING... No A/C, manual windows, just all the things that you need for a A to B car...

I downgrade :oops:

i wanted a 98 240sx or a 91 240sx but my parents said no used cars... i told them i'd pay for it but they said... how about your insurance?

TC will be a popular vehicle...but i doubt it will become the next Camry. It will be more like the Solara...u'll see it once in a while...but enough to be considered a popular vehicle.

As for xB... i see them everywhere now...i see atleast one in every major parking lot....although many of them are not modified...which is a good thing..cuz i like to stand out. haha.

I still hardly ever see xB's on the road. Hard to believe because there's so many sold.

I miss my 84 corolla four door.

OK, let's see:

A.) Toyota has stated that the tC will be Scion's "volume leader."
B.) Now we know this car can be had for under $18K with auto, which is what most people will get.

It looks better and is better equipped than the Civic Coupe. Parents will love it because it's a Toyota. If you don't think that every 16-year-old girl is going to get one for her birthday, you're kidding yourself. Toyota can't meet demand for the Prius. You think they'll be able to keep up with this thing?

The xB and xA don't sell in droves because they're quite polarizing as far as styling is concerned. Just about everyone from 8 to 88 will agree that the tC is a nice-looking car.

Basically, Toyota knows they're sitting on a cash-cow and they know they'll be able to move units. A mad-crazy number of units. It's probably an integral part of their plan to move up to #1 in the US and worldwide.

Scion is a clever marketing machine, nothing more. If you're feeling all warm and fuzzy because you think you're part of something special by buying a Scion, Toyota has you hook, line, and sinker. Come on. Any car that is made in quantity over 500 units is generally considered mass production. Toyota will sell as many of these things as they can build, and don't forget it. They're not in the business of making people feel good. They're in the business of profit-making and as it stands, they're second to none.

Scion's very message is manifest hypocracy. "You're an individual. We're not going to tell you what you want or need. But we bet we'll have something you like. And we'll charge you sticker for it. And no, we're not going to market to you. You're too smart to be fooled or convinced by ads. No, we're not directing this at millions and millions of teens and early-20s kids in America. Uh-uh. Honest. You're an individual, remember? Just like the 50 other cool trend-setting people who you will see driving tC's on the way to work every day, unfooled by ads that don't exist."

If Scion isn't one of the most brilliant, perfectly thought-out marketing schemes ever, I don't know what is.

Toyota is an awesome company that makes awesome products, including the tC. But don't forget that they're the GM of Japan. And the fact that you're getting a unique, cool product that you want/hope/need to be exclusive is something you've created in your brain. Or maybe the Scion marketing machine did it for you.

A Saleen S7 is a unique, exclusive product. A Mercedes SLR is a unique, exclusive product. Hell, even a Subaru SVX will be a more unique, exclusive product than a FWD that is going to be produced in excess of 50,000 units/year.

If you're going to buy a tC (and the recently announced price has put in on my own short list again), buy it because you like it for what it is, not because it's something unique/exclusive, knowing tens of thousands will have a car exactly like yours

I think the tC will sell very well. I would not buy a tC becuase you think it will be the only one on the road. If you feel the need to be unique you should do it through mods, that is what make Scion different. You buy your monospec Scion for cheap and have money left over to customize it. That is where Scion hopes to make its money infact, through selling mods. Just try not to rice it out too much :wink:

CofCtc

You said it well. While it will take some years for the tC to become the next Civil (it has the name and there are far too many out on the road already), it may well happen. That's just life.

As for marketing... Look at the iPod or Gap to see much the same thing. You market something as "cool and hip" long enough and everyone will own one.

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One of my biggest fears is the tC will quickly adapt the image of being a "ricer." :(

One of my biggest fears is the tC will quickly adapt the image of being a "ricer." :(

Yes you said it yourself, it will be the next Civic. Just give it 3 years. They'll be avaliable to any pimple-faced teen ricer for $10K.

Way to bring a man down. :(

I think the tC will sell very well. I would not buy a tC becuase you think it will be the only one on the road. If you feel the need to be unique you should do it through mods, that is what make Scion different. You buy your monospec Scion for cheap and have money left over to customize it. That is where Scion hopes to make its money infact, through selling mods. Just try not to rice it out too much

i would have to agree

obviously this car is going to become popular...but there is always some way you can mod it to make it unique...and if you're one of the first people to have the tC then you'll always have that leverage of "i had it first" :D ...but if it turns into the next civic ill sell it fore sure...i dont like hondas and the reputation they hold...however toyota/scion obviously holds more respect than all of its japenese competitors...and it should take a couple years before you see the tC consistantly on the road

obviously this car is going to become popular...but there is always some way you can mod it to make it unique...

I disagree. You could say the same thing about a Civic. In the end, it will still be a Civic. No body kit, wheels, suspension, or engine mods will turn it into something that would be desired over a proper RWD car.

The same goes for the tC. There won't be too many at first, but after a few years there will probably be in excess of 200,000 units rolling around. The tC will truly be the next Civic. It is not a question of if, but when.

And I'm not trying to bring anybody down. Trust me, I was very excited about the tC, thinking that I would have a great car and some excusivity. Well, after thinking about it, I realized I would indeed have a great car, but almost no exclusivity.

I just don't want people to get their hopes up. The tC is without question the best car ever made under $20K. Naturally, that will attract droves of buyers. Just don't be disappointed when these things start popping up all over the place.

The thing that scares/bothers me so much is that the tC is a beautiful car and people will no doubt mod it completely distastfully.

There is no question that Toyota has aimed the tC squarely at the Civic Coupe crowd. Along with that crowd comes all the regular, stereotypical unpleasantries.

My definition of "modding a FWD" is putting money in the bank to save up for a RWD.

While I agree with you, I also thing it will take a long time for the tC to become the next Civic. The Civic has been around for years and because of that has a huge headstart and a legacy of older cars still driving. Even 200,000 on the road would not make it as bad as the Civic (all years of production of it mind you) is right now. You are talking a good 5 to 6 more year for it to even start getting to that point. By that time I am sure the model will be on it's 1st full revision. You could almost make an argument that most people will have moved on to another car by the time the tC becomes truely the next Civic.

As for people doing the mod thing... I have to agree with you there. Some cosmetic stuff can be nice, but putting 5 to 10k into s 16k car is just stupid.

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The tC is without question the best car ever made under $20K.

Hopefully you will be correct. But it is way too early to make that statement as nobody has test driven or reviewed this car yet.

Kevin

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The tC is without question the best car ever made under $20K.

Hopefully you will be correct. But it is way too early to make that statement as nobody has test driven or reviewed this car yet.

Kevin

I am basing this on the tC's extensive (nearly total) use of proven and highly regarded componentry and hefty list of standard features, not to mention the fact that it is made by the pre-eminent Toyota Motor Co. in Japan. :D 8)

Everyone just don't face the facts... So I'll just post it again...

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Simply said... The price of this car is what will drive it to be the next Civic, not because it's Scion, not because it can be modded (any car can be modded), not because it's "targeted" towards teens...

In the civilized world, there is money and then theres money... The features on the tC would mean nothing if it cost as much as a Lexus, however, it has been proven a car without the features CAN sell like hotcakes... That proof is a Civic...

How many families do you see driving around in a Corolla or a Civic? I see as much if not more young families buying small sedans because they have four doors and passenger room with luggage space... Most importantly because they can afford it!!

I already said also that the production is not set in stone... Even if Toyota said they'll produce 50,000 / year, this can clearly change if the demand is through the roof.. Don't believe me? Take the Playstation 2 for example... The production can also drown if no one is in the market for the car... Once again, all driven by $...

As for the Prius, has it occured to people that this car is a hybrid? They don't roll off the same assembly line as a regular internal combustion vehicle... They have a very sophisticated electric motor which is still in pretty early production ages... Too many plants and the initial demand for the vehicle will drop and with only ONE hybrid car in it's line up, Toyota would have a plant and no production order... However the tC can be built and roll out in just about any production line already avalible to Toyota... Once again, all decisions will lead to the most profit for Toyota once agian $...

As for people getting cars on the 16th birthday... Isn't our own Rousterfar an example how his parents won't buy him a used car but rather spend an affordable 16K on a reliable car to last him? Are they going to agree to this car because he likes it so much? Maybe more in the lines of because they can afford it if Rousterfar can back me up on this one :D I think tC4Me is also on the same boat? She's getting a lot of praise from her dad about the car and also buying one because it's affordable?

Seriously, as a final note... Everyone and their pets are too afraid of what everyone thinks and are too MTVed... Why do you guys care if people trash their cars? Why do you care if they say you STOLE their style? Just drive the car and love it... Obviously I'm not gonna tell everyone here how to live their lives, but if you stopped caring about being the only one with this or that and be the envy of the crowd, you'll find that what you have is just fine and you'll be much much more happy with the 16K you spent... (After all, wanting to be different is just a cry for attention... Don't believe me? Ask a psychologist...)

Ummm, I think you got me mixed up with another poster. I'm 26 and have been buying my own cars for years. :D

On another note, I agree with most of what you said, but you forget one important thing. The tC is a coupe. It won't be a big seller to small families like the 4-door Civic will. Once you start cranking out children you will want the rear doors.

as a dealer i hope they put out enough so i can get em as you want em quick and not have to say no, like on manny RS1s.... :roll:

As for the Prius, has it occured to people that this car is a hybrid? They don't roll off the same assembly line as a regular internal combustion vehicle... They have a very sophisticated electric motor which is still in pretty early production ages... Too many plants and the initial demand for the vehicle will drop and with only ONE hybrid car in it's line up, Toyota would have a plant and no production order... However the tC can be built and roll out in just about any production line already avalible to Toyota... Once again, all decisions will lead to the most profit for Toyota once agian $...

Dude, you are REALLY making yourself look foolish. VERY, VERY foolish. Has it ever occured to you to do some research before you post?

See my post about a quarter of the way down the list here:

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8018&highlight=tsutsumi

Reference here:

http://www.autointell.com/asian_companies/toyota_motor/toyota5.htm

You clearly know very little about modern automotive manufacturing, and even less about Toyota's way of doing things. Keep posting so matter-of-factly and I'll keep owning you. ;) Not only is the tC made in the same factory as the Prius, it is made on the exact same line. Shocked?

KAuss, by the way, seriously, I have nothing against you and I'm sure you're a fine person. I'm a rabid auto/Toyota fan, so please forgive me if my posts come across as harsh. It's abolutely nothing personal.

I'm still laughing at being called 16. :D

You clearly know very little about modern automotive manufacturing, and even less about Toyota's way of doing things. Keep posting so matter-of-factly and I'll keep owning you. ;) Not only is the tC made in the same factory as the Prius, it is made on the exact same line. Shocked?


I'm not. I read an article in business week about Toyota. Apprently they can build 5 :shock: dfferent cars on the same line in one of their newer plants.

LV

obviously this car is going to become popular...but there is always some way you can mod it to make it unique...

I disagree. You could say the same thing about a Civic. In the end, it will still be a Civic. No body kit, wheels, suspension, or engine mods will turn it into something that would be desired over a proper RWD car.

My definition of "modding a FWD" is putting money in the bank to save up for a RWD.


first of all it is obvious that a civic will always be a civic and a tC will alway be a tC...but once you make a modification that is UNIQUE to your own car then it is no longer equivalent to all other base models...yes there may be plenty on the road but as long as you customize your car to your liking you will always have something different from everyone else, which goes back to my main point that "there is always some way you can mod it to make it unique"

and second of all what is it with you and RWD cars??? how many times do we have to hear you express that RWD is so much better than FWD?...yes RWD cars are fun to drive since i own one right now...but there are ups and downs to both so its really not THAT big a deal

I'm still laughing at being called 16. :D

Isn't our own Rousterfar an example how his parents won't buy him a used car but rather spend an affordable 16K on a reliable car to last him? Are they going to agree to this car because he likes it so much? Maybe more in the lines of because they can afford it if Rousterfar can back me up on this one


haha i think he was referring to djimpak*

haha i think he was referring to djimpak*

Yah dude thanks for helping me out!! Rousterfar father forgive me for I have sinned :D (I'm getting sick of these universal avatars :D)



As for what I meant by production line, I don't mean the actual LINE they come off of, but rather the place where they make the electric motor for the hybrid... I'm talking about the line that makes the motor... If toyota makes too many or reserve too much space into production of the electric motor with only one hybrid car out on it's production line, then thats a waste of space... A Prius isn't born till it gets an electric hybrid makeover... A hybrid still uses internal combustion engines so where do you expect them to come from? Obviously the same production line as the other cars...

But for the tC, there is no wait for an electric motor for it to be done, so all they have to do is just put order in for another plant to make the car if need be... Thats why I'm saying that you won't see another Prius situation since this car would be in high production and demand...

There is not ONE manufacture that makes ONE car come out of the a specific production line.... If you can find this then you actually owned me... (leave out low production exotics)

It's cool KAuss. I got a laugh out of it. 8)

I am going to try and get an icon going soon.

yeah im the one that kauss is talking about. my parents wont let me get a used car because they're afraid its gonna break down on me. i really really really want a 98 240sx but they said no to that. they said yes to the tC because i told them it was affordable. then the other day i told then it was around 16500 my parents said i can have it because it really is affordable... i just have to help pay for the car too.

djimpak, what would your parents say if the car was priced like a Lexus? Or has as much features as a Civic?

Was the features a part of their decision or can they care less?

How big of a factor was the price in their decision?

I predict the car to do very well and Scion will get off on a good start and create some major good cars to come...

Qoute me now, but the next 25K RWD car with spunk WILL come from Scion in maybe 5 years... (Maybe in 5 years 25K will be near 30K)

djimpak, what would your parents say if the car was priced like a Lexus? Or has as much features as a Civic?

if the car was priced like a Lexus then their answer would be..... hell no! i dont know about the 2nd one.

Was the features a part of their decision or can they care less?

it's their decision

How big of a factor was the price in their decision?

it's a very big factor. i had to look for a car that was under 20g. i decided on the xA until i saw the tC.

Thanks... Your parents are pretty cool to give you the chance to drive a new car :D If you had a mechanic in the family, you'd prolly be driving a 240SX :D

Do they know about the xA and xB? If they don't you better not tell them because they're even BETTER deals LOL...

well many people say that the tC will become like a civic because of its great value and specifications but i believe this will be unlikely since other manufactures have almost the same prices and specs compared to the tC.

Here are some of the starting prices for cars under 18k.

Honda Civic Coupe EX: $16,860
Toyota Corolla LE: $15,295
Scion tC: $16,465
Mazda Mazda 3: $16,405
Ford Focus ZX5: $15,820

Thanks... Your parents are pretty cool to give you the chance to drive a new car :D If you had a mechanic in the family, you'd prolly be driving a 240SX :D

Do they know about the xA and xB? If they don't you better not tell them because they're even BETTER deals LOL...

no problem. my parents are cool. all they want back in return is good grades in school(85 and above in every classes), no absense from school and no disobeying them. i also have to help them pay for the car too.

they know about the xA and xB but i didnt tell them the price.

None of those cars come with 17" rims stock, almost all of those that have a sunroof is put on as an option... None of them would have the same displacement and ability to grow (except the Mazda 3), this is also a car that'll pack some pretty impressive sound standard vs the other cars for those that aren't too sound crazy...

The standards will set this car apart, but the main part of why it'll do well is because of it's great price... Even without the features... This car is a breath of fresh air where instead of a trunk you'll be getting a coupe hatch... Based on the looks alone it has already won me over the other cars...

But still, only time can tell... But with a price like this... I can almost say it's impossible to NOT sell too many...

I still don't think it's anything we will need to worry about for a good 5 years. It's not like they will instantly become the most driven car in the USA. It's going to take years for the tC to sell that much.

most people at my school get jealous and then start to talk isht. i dont know. i dont care if they get the same car... just dont start saying that i copied them or theirs is better or start doing isht to my car.

perhaps you should stop worrying about those other kids, and instead be happy your parents' can afford to buy you a new car.

Once he sees the car in person, and drives it... He'll be thankful :D

Snooters, i am happy that my parents can afford a new car for me... i just dont want the other kids to f up my car because of jealousy

KAuss, if you're talking about me... im already thankful :D

Geezus! WHO CARES! If you're in highschool/college/whatever and people bad-mouth you because they have then same car then that shows A LOT about their character. How F'ING immature is it to get mad that you own something that another person owns as well. It's just a d@mn car. Think about it this way... if you go to the store and buy some shampoo then notice that someone else grabs the same shampoo do you immediately throw that person down and start beating them or talking trash? It shouldn't be any different with cars. People who have money will buy whatever they want. And since this IS a small world, the chance that another person could own something that you own as well IS REALLY F'ING HIGH!

I own a 2003 Civic Si. It's NOT a limited production vehicle. There are a bunch of people in my area that have them. I've done some stuff to mine that other people have done to theirs too. NO PROBLEM. I think it's cool that people buy products for my type of car. Maybe it will make manufacturers produce more aftermarket parts for my car faster and less expensive.

Did anyone even stop to think that maybe high sales of the tC will make aftermarket part makers produce products for it? If only a few tC's sell, then the people who own them are only going to see a handful of aftermarket parts. So your tC just became a sporty spin-off of the Celica and not the high-performance, very-respectable, easilly-moddable street rocket. The reason you see so many Civics on the road with exhausts and rims and whatnot is because it is a very popular car and performance part makers saw this and jumped on the bandwagon. The tC will have to sell in MASS numbers for it to gain the same following.

BTW, I'm not following the tC craze simply because it's not the car I want. I'm looking at getting an xA. Everyone around here thinks they are hideous. I think they're kinda cool. A turbokit will be available for it soon. How cool would it be to pull up next to that guy in the "civic" or "integra" or "eclipse" and smoke them off the line in a sub-compact car? PRICELESS

Geezus! WHO CARES! If you're in highschool/college/whatever and people bad-mouth you because they have then same car then that shows A LOT about their character. How F'ING immature is it to get mad that you own something that another person owns as well. It's just a d@mn car. Think about it this way... if you go to the store and buy some shampoo then notice that someone else grabs the same shampoo do you immediately throw that person down and start beating them or talking trash? It shouldn't be any different with cars. People who have money will buy whatever they want. And since this IS a small world, the chance that another person could own something that you own as well IS REALLY F'ING HIGH!

I own a 2003 Civic Si. It's NOT a limited production vehicle. There are a bunch of people in my area that have them. I've done some stuff to mine that other people have done to theirs too. NO PROBLEM. I think it's cool that people buy products for my type of car. Maybe it will make manufacturers produce more aftermarket parts for my car faster and less expensive.

Did anyone even stop to think that maybe high sales of the tC will make aftermarket part makers produce products for it? If only a few tC's sell, then the people who own them are only going to see a handful of aftermarket parts. So your tC just became a sporty spin-off of the Celica and not the high-performance, very-respectable, easilly-moddable street rocket. The reason you see so many Civics on the road with exhausts and rims and whatnot is because it is a very popular car and performance part makers saw this and jumped on the bandwagon. The tC will have to sell in MASS numbers for it to gain the same following.

BTW, I'm not following the tC craze simply because it's not the car I want. I'm looking at getting an xA. Everyone around here thinks they are hideous. I think they're kinda cool. A turbokit will be available for it soon. How cool would it be to pull up next to that guy in the "civic" or "integra" or "eclipse" and smoke them off the line in a sub-compact car? PRICELESS

do any of the people who has the same thing as you on their civic, always hating on you and always tries to steal your gf like every f'ing day? like i said before, i dont give a f*&k if they have the same s*&t as me in their car, just dont f*&k mine up and start talking s*&t. this school has lots of f'ing haters.

How cool would it be to pull up next to that guy in the "civic" or "integra" or "eclipse" and smoke them off the line in a sub-compact car? PRICELESS

It wouldn't be. Civics, Integras, and Eclipses aren't fast cars, even thinking about racing against one means your car sucks. Plus, what makes you think you can just go 'smoke' one becuase you got a turbo? Idiot. HAY GUYS, I GOTS STAGE 2.83 TURBO DORIFTO! WHO WANTS TO RACE?! CIVIC ONLY THOUGH, I STILL ONLY HAVE 120 HP!

HAY GUYS, I GOTS STAGE 2.83 TURBO DORIFTO! WHO WANTS TO RACE?! CIVIC ONLY THOUGH, I STILL ONLY HAVE 120 HP!

haha. that's funny.

every school has haters bro and there will always be people that talk ____...the only way you get past that is you DONT WORRY ABOUT IT...if they talk ____ and say you copied then WHO CARES...do somethin to your car to make it different then...besides once the tC starts selling nobody will care who had it first anymore...if it actually gets down to the point where someone f*cks with your car then you find out who it is and bring this kid down...and as for people trying to steal your girlfriend?...come on are you kidding me...if you cant trust your girlfriend why are you with her

It wouldn't be. Civics, Integras, and Eclipses aren't fast cars, even thinking about racing against one means your car sucks.

so your sayin a Type R, GSR, GS-T, or SI isnt fast?...quicker than most cars on the road...on top of that people with civics and integras now a days go all out with rebuilt motors, turbos, etc. and end up with 12 second cars...anyone else not think thats not a fast car?

every school has haters bro and there will always be people that talk ____...the only way you get past that is you DONT WORRY ABOUT IT...if they talk ____ and say you copied then WHO CARES...do somethin to your car to make it different then...besides once the tC starts selling nobody will care who had it first anymore...if it actually gets down to the point where someone f*cks with your car then you find out who it is and bring this kid down...and as for people trying to steal your girlfriend?...come on are you kidding me...if you cant trust your girlfriend why are you with her

its the f*&king up my car part that im worried about more... i trust my girlfriend, i just dont trust the other people. i can ignore the ____ talking until it gets annoying as hell. you guys dont get my point. im trying to say, i dont give a s*&t if the have the same car as me, have the same s*&t as me, i dont give a f*&k, just dont start to fcuk with my car because its the same as theirs. there were people at this school who almost f*&ked up my cousin's car because they didnt like her. that's why im so worried about people f'ing up my car.

It will take several years before the tC is widely seen on the highway (which is great for us buying the tC early in production).

Kevin
your so not wrong , but who cares ...if you like the car ( which is so sweet ) then just get it !

every school has haters bro and there will always be people that talk ____...the only way you get past that is you DONT WORRY ABOUT IT...if they talk ____ and say you copied then WHO CARES...do somethin to your car to make it different then...besides once the tC starts selling nobody will care who had it first anymore...if it actually gets down to the point where someone f*cks with your car then you find out who it is and bring this kid down...and as for people trying to steal your girlfriend?...come on are you kidding me...if you cant trust your girlfriend why are you with her

its the f*&king up my car part that im worried about more... i trust my girlfriend, i just dont trust the other people. i can ignore the ____ talking until it gets annoying as hell. you guys dont get my point. im trying to say, i dont give a s*&t if the have the same car as me, have the same s*&t as me, i dont give a f*&k, just dont start to fcuk with my car because its the same as theirs. there were people at this school who almost f*&ked up my cousin's car because they didnt like her. that's why im so worried about people f'ing up my car.

no i get what youre saying...but youre NOT going to be the only one with this car...so what are they going to do f*ck with whoever gets the tC? i dont think so...theyll get over it quick...if they dont and just keep talking ____ to you cuz they dont like you then whatever...dont let it get to you until they get in your face with it...and "almost" f*cking with your cousins car doesnt count...it takes a lot of balls to vandalize someones car...so until you see them actually do it dont worry about the threats...and if they do f*ck with you or your car BEAT THEIR ___!

It wouldn't be. Civics, Integras, and Eclipses aren't fast cars, even thinking about racing against one means your car sucks.

so your sayin a Type R, GSR, GS-T, or SI isnt fast?...quicker than most cars on the road...on top of that people with civics and integras now a days go all out with rebuilt motors, turbos, etc. and end up with 12 second cars...anyone else not think thats not a fast car?


I could quote numbers, but I'll just keep it short and say yes, for the most part those are not fast cars. If you want to bring up engine rebuilding or more productive mods, then any car can be a 12 sec car. There's a school bus here than can beat a lot of cars. I've seen a fiat hit low 11's. Go carts can beat anything. A very small % of the civic and integra owners would "go all out" and do engines swaps or mods that would make them a 12 sec car. That's a fast car, but that's not what you'll ever roll up to when you want to race a civic at a stoplight. Plus, he thought he could spank those those by just adding a turbo. Tell me that's not ridiculous.

its the f*&king up my car part that im worried about more... i trust my girlfriend, i just dont trust the other people. i can ignore the ____ talking until it gets annoying as hell. you guys dont get my point. im trying to say, i dont give a s*&t if the have the same car as me, have the same s*&t as me, i dont give a f*&k, just dont start to fcuk with my car because its the same as theirs. there were people at this school who almost f*&ked up my cousin's car because they didnt like her. that's why im so worried about people f'ing up my car.


You're pathetic. You're on the internet whining about stuff that hasn't even happened. Don't get a nice car. Drive a beater all through high school, becuase there's no way you'd ever stand up for your ride when someone egged it or tried to take the wheels.

It wouldn't be. Civics, Integras, and Eclipses aren't fast cars, even thinking about racing against one means your car sucks.

so your sayin a Type R, GSR, GS-T, or SI isnt fast?...quicker than most cars on the road...on top of that people with civics and integras now a days go all out with rebuilt motors, turbos, etc. and end up with 12 second cars...anyone else not think thats not a fast car?


I could quote numbers, but I'll just keep it short and say yes, for the most part those are not fast cars. If you want to bring up engine rebuilding or more productive mods, then any car can be a 12 sec car. There's a school bus here than can beat a lot of cars. I've seen a fiat hit low 11's. Go carts can beat anything. A very small % of the civic and integra owners would "go all out" and do engines swaps or mods that would make them a 12 sec car. That's a fast car, but that's not what you'll ever roll up to when you want to race a civic at a stoplight. Plus, he thought he could spank those those by just adding a turbo. Tell me that's not ridiculous.

no that is fore sure ridiculous...and yes any car can be made fast...but Type R, GSR, GS-T, or SI has more stock potential than a school bus...stock or not stock they are without a doubt some of the more quicker cars on the road

its the f*&king up my car part that im worried about more... i trust my girlfriend, i just dont trust the other people. i can ignore the ____ talking until it gets annoying as hell. you guys dont get my point. im trying to say, i dont give a s*&t if the have the same car as me, have the same s*&t as me, i dont give a f*&k, just dont start to fcuk with my car because its the same as theirs. there were people at this school who almost f*&ked up my cousin's car because they didnt like her. that's why im so worried about people f'ing up my car.


You're pathetic. You're on the internet whining about stuff that hasn't even happened. Don't get a nice car. Drive a beater all through high school, becuase there's no way you'd ever stand up for your ride when someone egged it or tried to take the wheels.

i'm pathetic? you're the pathetic one. if it wasnt up to me to buy a car, i would've chosen a 98 240sx. but if you've read any of my post before, you'd know that i cant get a used car because my parents dont want the car to break down on me. quit jumping into concludes and read the facts before saying anything. as for me whining, its not whining, its just me worried about somebody that doesnt like you f&cking up your car. if it doesnt happen then, whoohoo. and if it does happen, then its time to kick that person's ___. enough of this. talk more about the tC and care less about what i'm worried about.

Children! Don't make me turn this car around!

sorry. as of now, i dont care anymore. life is life. s*&t happens.

you'd know that i cant get a used car because my parents dont want the car to break down on me.

Becuase all used cars break down and cost too much money :roll:. You can get a civic with 100k miles for a few grand and drive it into the ground. But then, any guy with an xA and a turbo could beat you, so...

Becuase all used cars break down and cost too much money :roll:. You can get a civic with 100k miles for a few grand and drive it into the ground. But then, any guy with an xA and a turbo could beat you, so...

hmm... i wonder where you're getting the cost too much thing from. and i didnt say all used cars break down. you know, just forget everything alright? just leave it at that

Well the biggest advantages of a new car are the warrenty and the fact that the you don't have to start witht he car already at something like 100k miles on it. Used cars can be a fantastic deal, but generally it's always better to buy new if u can afford it.

hey djimpak dont worry about any of this until your car comes and it actually happens...then if someone still f*cks with your car we'll get this entire forum to hunt them down :D ...excluding Tiberian of course cuz hes a cocky b*tch

Owning new usually cost more to keep... It's not the initial price of the car but the keeping it that cost more...

Although you can buy a new car and keep it for years... Everyone knows that the value of the car drops the most during the first year of ownership... Your investment has already depreciated the value of a used car within this time... I see no reason how this is more of an advantage...

Where as if you bought an old car (obviously we have to rule out people that don't know what a good car is...) and say have to replace the regular stuff... Clutch, tune up, tires, maybe a few other things like water pump or some minor gasket work... This would probably bring a 3K car to twice it's value... 6K... Now you can drive this car say another 5 years starting at 100K... Now you not only drive this car but you got a car and actually have the value go UP... If you ever gone into resale... Your investment in lost would not be as great as if you drove an old car...

Once again, we have to rule out the people that buy the car soley on the exterior condition... If anyone on this board took a drive of my 90 LS Integra with 160K miles on it... They would see cars in a lot less satisfactory condition even in the mid 90's production model line....

I changed the clutch and replaced a failed distributor with a tune up (full tune up)... I bought the car for 3K and put maybe 3K at best on it... (buy my uncle don't charge me labor so I only paid for parts...) Seriously, if it wasn't for the fact that this car is easy to steal... I wouldn't buy me a new car... (I want to put lots of audio in it so I don't want my car stolen...)

Final note... Also, buying a used car after it's first year is always a better deal than getting it with 5 miles on the tripometer...

Owning new usually cost more to keep... It's not the initial price of the car but the keeping it that cost more...

Final note... Also, buying a used car after it's first year is always a better deal than getting it with 5 miles on the tripometer...

That is best deal. One year used. Still a good 'pratically' brand new car that has already depreciated on someone else's dime :lol: . Now the only bad thing is hopefully that one driver didn't really abuse their car :roll: Then again some dealerships are just crazy. I have been lookign at new and used cars and one year old with like 18K miles only 2k off new? I might as well buy new.

LV

Most of my cars have been 1 year or less. But I have had several new. The main thing is keeping your car until it starts nickel and diming you. Trading every 2-3 years along with an option of leasing is a terrible way to go. Also try to keep your payments to 2-4 years. Do not do a 72 month. That is a killer. Just save up more and maybe postpone your purchase by a year.

Kevin

Actually when buying a used car of only a year or so it is much better to buy American. They loose value much faster and you can get a great deal on a car that has not been on the road that long. For Japanese, they keep value langer and you can actually be better off going new. I have seen 1 year old Japanese cars like the Accord go for only a couple grand less then new. The problem is you can score a much better APR % (sometime around 0%) for new. You would end up paying the difference over the years in interest (assuming you finance the car). I know a girl who bought a year old Accord Coupe and ended up spending only a grand less then she could have got the newer one at invoice (which you should be paying near anyways as a smart buyer). I didn't have the heart to point that fact out to her. :wink:

hey djimpak dont worry about any of this until your car comes and it actually happens...then if someone still f*cks with your car we'll get this entire forum to hunt them down :D ...excluding Tiberian of course cuz hes a cocky b*tch

hey thanks.