i already have the Stoptech stage 2 (which is the best that you can get for that money), but i want even more improvement... im looking for 4 or 6 piston calipers for the front discs. Anyone knows where can get them and $$$?

(is there exist 4 piston caliper for the rear disc for the tC)

 

how much improvement did u feel with the stage 2. better pedal feel? less fade, shorter stops?

 

It will never stop any shorter than the tires and road permit. No braking system change reduces stopping distance unless the existing system can't lock the wheels. Big brakes reduce fade under repeated use. That's all they do.

 

How would an anti-lock braking system come in to this equation?
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It makes no difference. It might stop quicker than an unskilled driver, but it also might extend the distance if the pavement is rough and the suspension can't keep the tires on the ground because of the bumps.

 

it doesnt lock the wheels thus giving you the advantage of steering and controlling the car

thats what ABS is aimed to do

and i tink wat lo bux is tryin to say is that, investing in better tires will improve your braking a lot better than gettin new brake stuff. although new brake stuff helps, tires will help out MORE

upgraded rotors usually help out with heat and have a longer life. new pads improve friction onteh rotors but if you can slow ur car down do to the loss of traction of ur tires then the brakes will let off and ull still be rolling.

 

Brakes are like life. The first thing you have to do is get a grip. Once you have grip, the rest is easy.

 

Hahaha, so funny but absolutely true!!!!!
Rick

 

A little about ABS for you guys
http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakekits.shtml

 

Nice article. I was a little too dismissive in answering it makes no difference. If you assume the system replacing the OEM system was correctly engineered, ABS isn't a player in stopping distance changes from one to the other.

I have to say though, I'm really unimpressed with Toyco's EBFD on the tC. It does spooky things from time to time under heavy use on poor pavement. There have been a few times I've been on washboard pavement and the EBFD and ABS have intervened and increased my stopping distance dramatically over what I expected, and not because I was trying to slow quickly. Just a "normal" stop coming to a red light, and all that's happening is the brakes are fighting the tops of the bumps for control of the car, and I ended up almost in the intersection instead of smoothly stopping as I expected. I'm sure the spring and damping rates of the Tein SS-Ps are also significantly to blame here.

 

I feel the same way....sometimes it seems that my stopping distance is longer ever since i got the ss+p's......

 

A read the Stoptech article then talked for an hour on the phone to an engineer about brakes, upgrades, ABS, etc. Never to old to learn, main issue is not the size of the rotors or more pistons, it is the size of the pistons just as mentioned in on the site.

I learned enough to realize I am going to get some smaller diameter piston calipers than what I have sitting here NIB waiting to be installed;) I thought I had the right size already!

Rick

 

Are you refering to the Tein coilovers? Everything comes down the available traction. If you haven't gotten your car alisnged and corner weighted, I would suggest you do so.

Those two adjustments on a car with coilovers will help greatly in the amount of available traction, and thus helping stopping distance.

 

I agree, more negative camber will help in cornering but if to much you lose traction for acceleration and braking so you have to find the right balance in that area.

If your springs are to stiff you can lose traction in all areas of handling, we are researching a softer set for our Tein SSP coilovers at this time just for that reason.

To much air in your tires, too little air, etc, etc...........

Rick

 

I took a turn happy onramp at 16 (softest) on the SS+P's yesterday and the car slid a bit while into the turn. Today I took an on ramp that I normally take at 25/30 at about 45 (12f/8r) with ZERO slip or controlling issues....wow....what a freakin improvement.

I don't even know wtf the topic is...I think I had too much to drink at the business meeting....wtf are we talking about again?

I got my car aligned first thing in the morning yesterday. Yesterday is when I noticed the stoping distance issue, so go figure. Tonight while coming back from the business meeting, I decided (in my slightly intoxicated manner....did I say that outloud on these forums?) to punch it, but then realized WTF AM I DOING and had to stop in a somewhat aburpt manner. I stopped perfectly fine...even with the afore circumstances.

Maybe I'm concentrating too much on downshifting or something

Anyway, I'm probably legally drunk and still able to stop with my "delayed reaction." Maybe I should step on the brake a little bit more.

Btw, if you care to comment on the fact that I just disclosed that I might have been legally drunk, awesome. FYI, I don't give a damn about you or your opinion on what I just disclosed or how much "danger" I put other people's lives at. Again, I don't care, so don't waste your time with typing it out. I sell auto insurance, believe me when I say I've heard it all. (no excuse, but what did I just say about it?)

 

Nice. Do us all a favor, and don't breed.

 

is the caliper the stock size? or 14"

 

Stage 2 is direct replacement kit..same size as stock.

 

It seems that nobody knows if there are 4 piston calipers for the direct replacement kit. but thats ok, ill keep the stock calipers, and maybe paint them.

 

im not an expert on this, but i feel better and shorter stops.