hey hows it goin...theres a rs1 at foxscion but its automatic..and ive been hearing that the auto's are junk and if i was gonna get one it would have to be standard...any input>?

I have an auto tranny on my box... I don't think it's junk at all. Actually I think it's the best car I have purchased so far... as far as value and fun factor (previous buys: Montero Sport, BMW Z4, Acura CL, Land Rover Discovery)

It all depends on your preference.. if you want a 5-speed... don't buy the auto... you probably won't be happy. As for me.. I'm using it for commuting to work and cruising when not at work. I'm not looking to making it a box-rocket. :)

the auto's are great cars but just like any car with a manual or a auto the manual will almost always be quicker.

Do you actually thinks these xb are that fast! These are made for all show and no go. Thats why I got an auto and not manual. Strictly a crusier.

o NO didnt think these were meant for racing or anything..its just thati have a mustang gt im gonna get rid of for the scion xb cause im going back to college and everything..and the mustang insuranc is killing me..askinga bout the auto was just a question due to the horsepower rating the xb has..just a concern.

get an auto one more free hand for groaping college girls!

:lol:


maybe you should do a "how many girls can fit in an xB contest?"

Yeah the manual is a fair bit quicker than the auto, but the auto is by no means junk.

NBXB04---I don't think the auto's are so slow as to call them junk :? .

More so, I think it is general perception that makes people think it is slow.
Slower than the manual transmission? I guess, in a race I'm sure the manny would get up to speed faster...

Still fun to drive and a great vehicle? Damn straight!

It sounds like you want a manual transmission so why put yourself through any grief, just get the manny and let someone that wants an autoBox have what they want.

I think you should test drive one and so, if you are collecting the RS1.0 before they are all gone then you might have to just bite the bullet... :wink:

Al.Truistic
aB

hey hows it goin...theres a rs1 at foxscion but its automatic..and ive been hearing that the auto's are junk and if i was gonna get one it would have to be standard...any input>?

Stick with the Stick you won't be happy with an Auto, I am though, I love having a free hand so me and wife can hold hands, Also when these Las Vegas driver cut me off, at least 30 times a day, I can have a fre hand to shake a fist at em.

Two excellent reasons IMHO!

Al.Truistic
aB

...I love having a free hand so me and wife can hold hands, Also when these Las Vegas driver cut me off, at least 30 times a day, I can have a free hand to shake a fist at em.

my only complaint with my auto is in the 40-60 mph range.. (i belive third gear)

The car is really peppy from a stop.. I hit 4k rpms in a heartbeat and my shift goes thru. Then again with the second......(when i floor it.. regular gas pressing it shifts at 3k)...

Then, when my car is in the 40 mph range it seems to slow down in picking up speed, especially on the freeway...

To take care of it, i just punch it a little harder.. but that hurts the gas mileage...


Does anyone else experience the same thing?

my only complaint with my auto is in the 40-60 mph range.. (i belive third gear)

The car is really peppy from a stop.. I hit 4k rpms in a heartbeat and my shift goes thru. Then again with the second......(when i floor it.. regular gas pressing it shifts at 3k)...

Then, when my car is in the 40 mph range it seems to slow down in picking up speed, especially on the freeway...

To take care of it, i just punch it a little harder.. but that hurts the gas mileage...


Does anyone else experience the same thing?

I agree, first gear seems alittle slow to me but it seems to quickly shift into second. Second seeems really peppy through then the 40-60 range gets a little sluggish. Overall though...its not too bad at all especially if you dont mind flooring it. :twisted:

I have an auto. It's peppy for me. Once the speed reaches around 40-45MPH, I can feel something that pushes me back to the seat. Probably VVT-i working. I can't recollect what RPM, then it slows down a bit pass 55-60 (overdrive gear). There's more resale value in an auto too, i think.

Yeah, I think I drive it pretty much the same way, too. My Blitz intake loves to get pushed hard tho...and yeah, it's not good for the gas mileage. I get shifts around 3600-4000 when I floor it and it shifts pretty nice and smooth regularly at about 2700-3000 with normal driving which i think is pretty zippy...

I think it starts to lose it in 4th gear tho. :?

Al.Truistic
aB

my only complaint with my auto is in the 40-60 mph range.. (i belive third gear)

The car is really peppy from a stop.. I hit 4k rpms in a heartbeat and my shift goes thru. Then again with the second......(when i floor it.. regular gas pressing it shifts at 3k)...

Then, when my car is in the 40 mph range it seems to slow down in picking up speed, especially on the freeway...

To take care of it, i just punch it a little harder.. but that hurts the gas mileage...


Does anyone else experience the same thing?

Yea: http://monkeywrenchracing.com/1-4miletimes/1-4milescion.htm

if you sit in traffic everyday and want to constantly shift, then get a manual. if you want to be able to relax while you drive, get an auto.

I went from a 375hp civic si and the power of an sr20det powered 240 to the box, and i have no problem at all knowing im slow, i know that i can be comfortable doing it. besides the box looks better poking down the road than it ever would trying to race another pos car. But i guess its all on personal preference, i love manual but no way would i bother with the hassle in the box.

o NO didnt think these were meant for racing or anything..its just thati have a mustang gt im gonna get rid of for the scion xb cause im going back to college and everything..and the mustang insuranc is killing me..askinga bout the auto was just a question due to the horsepower rating the xb has..just a concern.

I went from a 95 Mustang GT with a 5 speed to a 5 speed xB. I drove the automatic and it was fine I just liked the 5 spd better. I couldn't get rid of the Mustang though. Sometimes I feel the need, the need for speed! 8) And the Mustang was my dream car...you know, they don't make them like they used to! But the xB is the coolest bestest nicest car in the whole world and my new baby.

can this be added to an auto xb [http://www.scionlife.com/store/catForcedInduction.php]

not for racing or any thing but just to ad some extra horsepower to my xb[/url]

can this be added to an auto xb [http://www.scionlife.com/store/catForcedInduction.php]

not for racing or any thing but just to ad some extra horsepower to my xb[/url]

Of course you could add either a supercharger or a turbo kit to the auto xb, its the same engine as the manual, only difference being the tranny and gearing. You wont see the same gains as the manuals do in horsepower, as your engine will never shift as high as a manual can, but you still will see a significant difference and it will be felt.

I'm actually considering doing a turbo kit in the near future, just for personal kicks, not really to go much faster but just to have it there.

First of all you have to remember that this is a XB, not a Skyline GTR. You won't be burning rubber from a stoplight without some serious mods and money. Enjoy the XB for what it is... a comfortable cruiser that gets great gas mileage. Get the automatic, sit back relax and enjoy the ride. If you can afford it, get a little 5 speed car on the side to indulge your NFS :shock: 87-91 mustang gts are a steal right now. Good Luck :D [/u]

You're going to have lots of people telling you to get the manual...the auto is under powered etc.....I have the auto and i am very happy with it. I commute 120 miles a day...my bf has a stick and i hate driving it in stop and go. I was afraid the auto would be a drain on this little 108 hp engine....so I test drove both...and I found very little difference between the two. So I got the auto for practicality and i haven't regretted it since. I have all the power I need....I floor it on hwy on ramps and am at hwy speeds by the top of them...I can pass going uphill at 80....if I need a little extra oomph...I just hit OD off and boy does that little engine pull

obviously the manual feels quicker...
but again, scion is not a performance car....

hey hows it goin...theres a rs1 at foxscion but its automatic..and ive been hearing that the auto's are junk and if i was gonna get one it would have to be standard...any input>?

After having a stick for over 25 years, I chose to get a Automatic being the traffic here in LA is awful. I love the fact that I don't have to shift in traffic anymore but I do miss the power when I need it. Being that there's many hills in my area I find myself shifting out of overdrive many times but have no trouble climbing hills. Overall, I'm happy that I got an Automatic.

Get the stick...I test drove both at low and high speeds, you get alot more control with the 5-Speed, especially with engine braking, plus if neccessary you can downshift and punch the pedal to get out of a sticky situation (not something that is easily done in an automatic, It is possible, just not smart), with the smaller horespower engine you will most likely want the extra control...just a thought...I love my stick tranny...but the key is to buy what you want and or need... :P

if you are planning on doing an aftermarket exhaust system... PLS get a manual.

if you are planning on doing an aftermarket exhaust system... PLS get a manual.

For sure...

if you are planning on doing an aftermarket exhaust system... PLS get a manual.

oohhhh god yes....spare the world the noise of an automatic fart can :)... hehehehehe

there you go talking sh@t!!!!!!!!i got a f#cking exhaust on my automatic wanna talk sh@t!!!!!!!!stupid @ss people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its not for performance on the scion its for looks you dumb @ss i know i cnat drag alot of cars but it beats having that little @ss pea shooter comin out the rear end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you wanna clown somemore fool then bring it!!!!!!!!!!

there you go talking sh@t!!!!!!!!i got a f#cking exhaust on my automatic wanna talk sh@t!!!!!!!!stupid @ss people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its not for performance on the scion its for looks you dumb @ss i know i cnat drag alot of cars but it beats having that little @ss pea shooter comin out the rear end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you wanna clown somemore fool then bring it!!!!!!!!!!

what in the world is your problem??? touchy?? or what......its a known fact that the exhaust systems, the mass mojority of them are extremely loud, and with an automatic they tend to be louder and a constant tone. But you can continue with your rampage if you would like. No one said anyting about making hte car faster with an exhaust, but i do have to agree with you on the pea shooter that comes with the xB.

by they way, do you have some sort of personal vendetta we should all know about?
no one was talking krap until you waltzed in on your high horsey.....

NOTICE THE SMILEY in the POST!....... i happen to know people with automatic xB's with exhaust systems but whatever tickles u pink.

what in the world is your problem??? touchy?? or what......its a known fact that the exhaust systems, the mass mojority of them are extremely loud, and with an automatic they tend to be louder and a constant tone. But you can continue with your rampage if you would like. No one said anyting about making hte car faster with an exhaust, but i do have to agree with you on the pea shooter that comes with the xB.

by they way, do you have some sort of personal vendetta we should all know about?
no one was talking krap until you waltzed in on your high horsey.....



nah its cool...............but there have been alot of haters........i thought you were one of those......aight playa......cool..........late

DAYAM calm down.

I personally prefer to listen to aftermarket exhaust only with 5 spds. they sound better IN MY OPINION. and that is my opinion

nah its cool...............but there have been alot of haters........i thought you were one of those......aight playa......cool..........late

naw man, i dont come to forums to talk krap, but to discuss mods, etc..... if there is one thing i cant stand is when someone starts running their mouths on forums off of the original topic. Anyways its all based on personal opinions of who likes what and how, people only come to forums to hear everyone elses 2cents......nuff said.....late

only aftermarket exhaust i care to listen to is an old 5.0 mustang with some flow's on it...

I too have the auto tranny, and no real complaints here. From start to finish, i find that with the Injen, it works really well. I do notice though that sometimes its harder to get this box up to 75 cause it lacks power, but then i stand on it, and it does get there, then u just watch that fuel guage fall down .... down ....

If you're on the fence, I'd recommend the manual. No offense, but I cannot stand automatics. I don't even want to drive someone elses automatic. Not for 5 minutes. I get bored and restless. I used to commute on the DC capital beltway every day and I STILL never minded shifting in traffic.

As far as the xB not being a performance car, that's all the more reason to get a manual. Even a slow car is fun to drive with a stick and you get every last drop of performance out of the motor. Enough to make a 2 sec difference in 0-60 in the xB.

Personally I find a slower car with good handling and a 5-speed 10 times more fun to drive than any automatic. I don't care if it's got 1000 hp. 50% of what I love about the experience of driving has been amputated. A slower car that handles well and has a stick is fun because you can take it close to its limit and push it pretty easily without getting over your head. A lot of pro drivers will tell you the same thing. If you can't go fast with 108 hp then you won't be a better driver with 801 hp

I do understand the appeal of an automatic though. It's nice to be able to have your hands free. Nice in traffic. Nice smooth steady pace and stuff. I'm just really involved in my driving and I want to be an active participant.

Manuals send torque from to wheels with no interference. Gears and steel. Automatics have a fluid barrier/torque converter and computers second guessing everything 1000 times a second in between the twist and forward momentum. Manuals are more reliable and economical to drive and own in every way. Autos are simple to drive, but complex as hell in their operation and maintanance/repair.

I mean... just look all at this crazniess simply to transmit torque from point A to point B. WTF?

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/automatic-transmission-model.jpg
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/automatic-transmission-brain.jpg
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/torque-cutaway.jpg

...and thats the Cliff's Notes version, it would take 4-5 more images to show it all to you.

Now compare that to two discs pressed together with a shaft on the end attached to 5 gears.

That said, Toyota's automatics are excellent and with scheduled maintance and no abuse they will last you 100,000 miles before you need a rebuild or major work done.

The automatic is a miracle of modern engineering to be sure, but to what end? They're good for luxury cars and giant, heavy vehicles like buses or anything that needs to be driven with the least amount of attention possible, which explains why they are more popular in America than anywhere else by far.
All I can say is I love clipping an apex and downshifting halfway through a turn just to listen to the engine note and have exacting control on my speed without ever touching the brake.

Some of you know where I'm coming from :wink:

But you gotta get what suits you most, nobodys got any business telling you if it's right or wrong. YOU are the world's #1 expert on what right for YOU.

only aftermarket exhaust i care to listen to is an old 5.0 mustang with some flow's on it...

That's what I got!

there you go talking sh@t!!!!!!!!i got a f#cking exhaust on my automatic wanna talk sh@t!!!!!!!!stupid @ss people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!its not for performance on the scion its for looks you dumb @ss i know i cnat drag alot of cars but it beats having that little @ss pea shooter comin out the rear end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you wanna clown somemore fool then bring it!!!!!!!!!!


As weird as it may seem, I'm actually the exact opposite of this guy. I'd like to throw on a performance exhaust, but only if there are proven gains and ONLY if I can get it without the gigantic coffee can sized tip polished to a mirror-like sheen. :roll:

I'm sorry, but I can't stand that ____. It just makes me think of poseurs in 15 year old Accords with lots of stickers and a big wing that think their buzzing fart exhaust pipe big enough to swallow a grapefruit gives them 200 horsepower.

It's overkill IMO. Just my opinion, I prefer more discrete, tasteful stuff that delivers genuine performance gains. Otherwise it's a waste of money.

Does anyone even make a real performance exhaust system that you can get without a giant bling-bling chrome small penis compensator anymore?

Seriously, I can't seem to find one. If anyone knows of a good tuned exhaust for the xB that I can have with somewhat normal looking tip please tell me. a little bigger for practical purposes is fine. I'm not interested in a hearing a continuous wet fart everytime I step on the gas either.

I'll stick with the pea shooter until then. probably not worth spending $800 for 6 more horsepower at 5000 rpm anyway, eh? and at least with the ol' pea shooter all the girls will know I don't have any shortcomings to make up for :D

I find the auto Xb better geared and faster off the go than the manual.

We have had this conversations since inception of the forum, but my opinion is your 1.5 liter Scion is not gonna break any speed records.

Further, I think that people "think" a manual is "better" -- more control, more speed, more sportyness.

The problem with this is that the computer controlled automatic transmissions have come so far in technology that fuel economy is no longer an issure. OPtimization of speed is no longer an issue. I found the the manual Xb pedestrian and laughable off the gun.

I am by no means a critic of manuals. My CRX is a peppy pocket-rocket of a manual. The problem I think, is that automatic transmissions so far outsell manuals, that more time might be spent optimizing, designing and tweaking automatic.

I hope all you enjoy your manuals. I am loving my Xb Hot Lava auto. I am customizing it more as a cruiser, which I think an Xb does alot better than a pocket-rocket. Of course a super charger might change this.......

On my AT (AEM CAI and TRD MUFFLER) I get 0-60 in just under 10 seconds. That's fine by me. It feels much faster than that though. The 0-40 feels REEEAAAL fast though...much better than my previous CIVIC EX coupe, probably becuase the car is lighter. I raced a PT Cruiser and won handily with my AT FOOT TO THE FLOOR NO SHIFTING TECHNIQUE! :twisted: Although i was blown away by a SAAB 9-3 at a stoplight race.

I have always found that there is usually at least a 1 second difference (MT, being faster) between AUTO and MT (economy cars). But, it also depends on the driver. Some people don't know how to drive a stick properly and you can beat them with an AT when they shift lag. I always laugh at that becuase I should never be able to beat them.

it's a matter of preference. as for me i stuck with the stick, just in case i have to drive up a big ___ hill. also more control of my car. just my .02 cents. thanks for listening.

On my AT (AEM CAI and TRD MUFFLER) I get 0-60 in just under 10 seconds. That's fine by me. It feels much faster than that though. The 0-40 feels REEEAAAL fast though...much better than my previous CIVIC EX coupe, probably becuase the car is lighter. I raced a PT Cruiser and won handily with my AT FOOT TO THE FLOOR NO SHIFTING TECHNIQUE! :twisted: Although i was blown away by a SAAB 9-3 at a stoplight race.

I have always found that there is usually at least a 1 second difference (MT, being faster) between AUTO and MT (economy cars). But, it also depends on the driver. Some people don't know how to drive a stick properly and you can beat them with an AT when they shift lag. I always laugh at that becuase I should never be able to beat them.

I agree I have a AT with AEM intake and Borla exhaust. I think it has awusome takeoff and would put it to a manual anytime...

My CRX is a peppy pocket-rocket of a manual.

the xB isn't that much slower than the fastest CRX made (gen 2 Si). SUre there are more options for more power, but stock for stock, xb holds it's own.

91 CRX Si 0-60: 8.7 1/4 Mi: 16.5
04 xB 0-60: 9.0 1/4 Mi: 16.7 (although I've heard faster from some on this forum)
2.0L jetta 0-60: 9.7 1/4 Mi: 17.3
I think the xB does just fine as is.

i agree w/ some of the above comments. the xB is a cruiser. I came from a 285 whp WRX and traded down to the xB, and I'm content to cruise along, watching all the kooks racing at every light. auto is for me for now, just my perspective

jim

http://tms.ecol.net/newcars/ss111998.htm

That's right, there's little room in this modern world for stick-shift automobiles. In reality they are not more efficient, they don't get better gas mileage, they don't give you more control on ice and snow and (here it comes, folks!) they are not faster! Believe it or not, they are not as reliable as automatics.

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Any debate? Basically every advantage of getting a manual is thrown out here. If that's the case, we should all get automatics.

http://tms.ecol.net/newcars/ss111998.htm

That's right, there's little room in this modern world for stick-shift automobiles. In reality they are not more efficient, they don't get better gas mileage, they don't give you more control on ice and snow and (here it comes, folks!) they are not faster! Believe it or not, they are not as reliable as automatics.

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Any debate? Basically every advantage of getting a manual is thrown out here. If that's the case, we should all get automatics.

I have the auto and it suits my commuting needs (especially in traffic). The xB is definitely a cruiser and I think the auto works better for me. I went from a 375HP WRX STi to an auto xB and it is fine :lol: If you get the manual, don't expect super box performance from it...your 0-60 time may decrease from 10.8 secs to 9.8 secs :roll:

Yea: http://monkeywrenchracing.com/1-4miletimes/1-4milescion.htm

Look at the numbers. 1.5 seconds faster in a 1/4 mile with the 5 speed

If you are looking for every little bit of speed you can get, go with the 5 speed.

Do you actually thinks these xb are that fast! These are made for all show and no go. Thats why I got an auto and not manual. Strictly a crusier.

My thoughts exactly.

I don't even understand the point of upgrading the i/h/e :?

i want facts they say a stick is faster than an auto
who really knows i think a stick just feels faster but not really in a straight line shoot
most drag cars are autos because it shiffts faster and more reliable than a stick :P :P

i want facts they say a stick is faster than an auto
who really knows i think a stick just feels faster but not really in a straight line shoot
most drag cars are autos because it shiffts faster and more reliable than a stick :P :P

Check Edmunds road test of the manual xB.

They got an 8.99 sec 0-60

Every other test of an xB I have seen has been an automatic and it's clocked no faster than 10.5 seconds. Do a little research. Edmunds.com is one of the few that have tested a manual xB.

No xB is fast and sure, perhaps they are better "cruisers". To me, if a car isn't that fast to begin with and has a pint sized engine, the LAST thing I'm going to do is neuter it with an automatic tranny that soak up even more torque before it gets to the wheels.

I can understand the positives of having an auto though. I'd only want one on a big SUV of something. IMO it seems totally opposite everything that makes small, frenetic little cars like this fun to drive.

For me it's all about heel-toe shifting through the corners and clipping the apex. Sure, it's just a boxy Echo, but with a snappy manual transmission and an empty windy back road, I get to play rally driver.

What would I do with an automatic? Sit there and steer? I just like a more involved driving experience, but again, it's not right or wrong. Just opinion.

What isn't opinion is the fact that a manual transmission gets the power to the wheels directly without the lag of a torque converter and it gives you a level of control that you just don't get by shifting your automatic shift lever from "D" to "3" like a riceboy borrowing his mom's automatic Accord sedan. LOL.

Shifting your automatic into "3" does not an SMG make. :lol:

Manual is faster. Look it up. It's not even an argument. The manual version of ANY car is faster. Period

Originally posted by Orataro
After having a stick for over 25 years, I chose to get a Automatic being the traffic here in LA is awful. I love the fact that I don't have to shift in traffic anymore but I do miss the power when I need it. Being that there's many hills in my area I find myself shifting out of overdrive many times but have no trouble climbing hills. Overall, I'm happy that I got an Automatic
No kidding the hills on the 14 freeway suck big time I almost always have to take it outa over drive to maintain speed going up the hills! But one out of overdrive my box has absolutly no problume with speed! Not to mention somone on another thred asked iff the box would go 100 and I can honestly say I have taken it up to 100 going up hill in the box on the 14 freeway. Just ask Orataro hell tell you the hills on the 14 are pretty good!! any way I can t beat the fuel milage with the box when im not driving crazy!!! [/i]

http://tms.ecol.net/newcars/ss111998.htm

That's right, there's little room in this modern world for stick-shift automobiles. In reality they are not more efficient, they don't get better gas mileage, they don't give you more control on ice and snow and (here it comes, folks!) they are not faster! Believe it or not, they are not as reliable as automatics.

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Any debate? Basically every advantage of getting a manual is thrown out here. If that's the case, we should all get automatics.


That's hilarious.

Automatics are better than ever, I agree. If you're goal is to get from A to B and remove yourself from the driving experience as much as possible, then by all means get an automatic. Make sure and install cruise control too so you don't even need to use the gas pedal. That should make it easier to talk on the phone and drink your latte while you are slowing the rest of us down with your passive driving behavior. LOL

Manual transmissions last longer. You can replace a clutch for a tiny fraction of what it costs for an automatic to be rebuilt and the clutch is the only real wear item. When was the last time you saw an orginal automatic transmission with over 100,000 miles on it that had never been rebuilt? You see them, but not often. This isn't even open for debate. It's a known fact. Automatics are complex as hell and there is much more to go wrong with them, plain and simple.

It's a non-issue though, IMO, since a Toyota transmission auto or manual will last longer than you'll probably want to keep an xB or xA anyway.

http://tms.ecol.net/newcars/ss111998.htm

That's right, there's little room in this modern world for stick-shift automobiles. In reality they are not more efficient, they don't get better gas mileage, they don't give you more control on ice and snow and (here it comes, folks!) they are not faster! Believe it or not, they are not as reliable as automatics.

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Any debate? Basically every advantage of getting a manual is thrown out here. If that's the case, we should all get automatics.


That's hilarious.

Automatics are better than ever, I agree. If you're goal is to get from A to B and remove yourself from the driving experience as much as possible, then by all means get an automatic. Make sure and install cruise control too so you don't even need to use the gas pedal. That should make it easier to talk on the phone and drink your latte while you are slowing the rest of us down with your passive driving behavior. LOL

Manual transmissions last longer. You can replace a clutch for a tiny fraction of what it costs for an automatic to be rebuilt and the clutch is the only real wear item. When was the last time you saw an orginal automatic transmission with over 100,000 miles on it that had never been rebuilt? You see them, but not often. This isn't even open for debate. It's a known fact. Automatics are complex as hell and there is much more to go wrong with them, plain and simple.

It's a non-issue though, IMO, since a Toyota transmission auto or manual will last longer than you'll probably want to keep an xB or xA anyway.

:shock: :shock:

My family has:

1980 Chevy El Camino - Original 3spd auto tranny no rebuild 112,xxx miles.
1989 Buick Le Sabre - Original 4spd auto tranny no rebuild 119,xxx miles.
1996 Chevy Corsica - original 4spd auto tranny no rebuild 120,xxx miles.

http://tms.ecol.net/newcars/ss111998.htm

That's right, there's little room in this modern world for stick-shift automobiles. In reality they are not more efficient, they don't get better gas mileage, they don't give you more control on ice and snow and (here it comes, folks!) they are not faster! Believe it or not, they are not as reliable as automatics.

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Any debate? Basically every advantage of getting a manual is thrown out here. If that's the case, we should all get automatics.


That's hilarious.

Automatics are better than ever, I agree. If you're goal is to get from A to B and remove yourself from the driving experience as much as possible, then by all means get an automatic. Make sure and install cruise control too so you don't even need to use the gas pedal. That should make it easier to talk on the phone and drink your latte while you are slowing the rest of us down with your passive driving behavior. LOL

Manual transmissions last longer. You can replace a clutch for a tiny fraction of what it costs for an automatic to be rebuilt and the clutch is the only real wear item. When was the last time you saw an orginal automatic transmission with over 100,000 miles on it that had never been rebuilt? You see them, but not often. This isn't even open for debate. It's a known fact. Automatics are complex as hell and there is much more to go wrong with them, plain and simple.

It's a non-issue though, IMO, since a Toyota transmission auto or manual will last longer than you'll probably want to keep an xB or xA anyway.

:shock: :shock:

My family has:

1980 Chevy El Camino - Original 3spd auto tranny no rebuild 112,xxx miles.
1989 Buick Le Sabre - Original 4spd auto tranny no rebuild 119,xxx miles.
1996 Chevy Corsica - original 4spd auto tranny no rebuild 120,xxx miles.

Awesome. Made it just over the 100k mark. Well done.

Automatics with beefy V6 or V8 torque are great (if you like automatics) Automatics with 105 lbft of torque are another story.