Why pay $3000 for a turbo kit which gives 50 HP, instead of switching to a more powerfull engine for less $? Warranty issues? That's all I can think of, or possibly lack mounts? Let me know.

I say Swap the engine after 5 or more years.........hmmm maybe i'll swap it with the 88' AWD/FWD TURBO CELICA.

only 30ish whp

the problem is no aftermarket support, for example--> motor mounts, shift linkage, cv axles, etc

everything would have to be custom. Hopefully someone'll give us some help down the road.

E.L. Prototypes is working on a 4e-fte swap kit, or so their site says.....

Depends on your emission requirements also. Swapping an engine and getting it passed and legit in Cali for a new car with an older engine? Good Luck...

Either some mild boost or just enjoy it for what it is...

Thankyou for the responses. I was seiously wondering about that one. The Cali emission thing I understand cause I'm a Nor Cal native, but all the after market stuff I did'nt know about.

there is a swap kit for the 2zz motor into the box and the xA. The guy I talked to is looking into it and and xA out here in KY will be getting it.

^^^^Thats nuts! keep us posted

I am very curious to see this...how you gonna fit that tranny in there w/out some MAJOR frame modification.

Depends on your emission requirements also. Swapping an engine and getting it passed and legit in Cali for a new car with an older engine? Good Luck...

Either some mild boost or just enjoy it for what it is...

if your have a 3 inch pipe you won't pass the emission but before you go to get it check just change it back to normal pipe lol but make sure you have the correct upgrades in your car such as right Fuel Injectors, Fuel Pump, and AFC etc and then you'll be alright!

whoa whoa whoa. what happened to my post? it was quite informative and is now gone....... hmmmm

the cleaners are out in full effect tonight huu :doh:

i didnt post anything harsh. and didnt get any pm.... hmm... odd.

the cleaners are out in full effect tonight huu :doh:

Those cleaners are the little flying objects from that movie "Batteries not Included".....lol

i've noticed some of my posts mysteriously vanish before in the past too.

there is a swap kit for the 2zz motor into the box and the xA. The guy I talked to is looking into it and and xA out here in KY will be getting it.

i wanna see that... keep us posted and pictures would be GREAT!

screw the 2zz. i'll take the 2zz kit and put in a trd supercharged 1zz. i like torque and hate "lift" motors.

way 3g's for a turbo kit and only get 50whp? uhhh bit more... and most motor swaps that will fit wont give u more than that would give u

uh huh.......

Greddy claims 53% hp gain. On a 105 hp motor thats 50 hp. And they don't even claim at the wheels. And btw, the idea is to get abou the same hp as the turbo kitm but for less money, not to get some insane amount of hp from a motor instead of a turbo kit. Dig it?

engine swap not worth it IMO

because your engine is still in good condition. why not use it?

use wat you have right? tats wat i think.

engien swap maybe for a big project or if ur engine now is broken or something

the 1nz is crap imo.

Whay Swap? You can keep your stock motor in case something happens.

Back to the 2zz swap. There are more aftermarket support for that motor. A lot of Toyotas motors and transmissions are very similar. Kinda like how you can do a lot of swaps into the Nissan 240sx. They do make a motor mount kit. It doesn't mean itas an easy swap. There are still wiring harnesses, exhaust manifolds, hose placement, etc.

the 1nz is crap imo.

ya so isnt that why a company turbo charged a prius to make 300 hp?


i believe the 1nz in the prius has a compression ratio of 13.4:1

mayb you wanna swap bottoms?

ya true there isnt a lot of support for teh 1nz but... if you want to go fast... custom work is avalible. either way... i say its gonna cost you and arm and a leg.

I would think that swapping an engine would cost a lot more money than buying a turbo.... but what do i know

I would think that swapping an engine would cost a lot more money than buying a turbo.... but what do i know

i was thinking the same....dunno what the break down would be as far as cost though.

That's the catch right there. Who knows what kind of things you'll run into that will have to be custom fabricated or something. Also, when you start messing with the wiring and ECUs and such how likely is it that you're going to lose things like VSC, ABS, maybe airbags, etc. Where do those systems get their info? Are you going to be able to keep it all intact and receiving the proper info it needs?

but a swapped motor that can handle boost , or makes power is alot better of an idea to me. than turboing a motor that can't handle it. that and a motor swap CAN be legal. whereas as every single turbo or supercharger kit is NOT legal. and will probably NEVER be.

Allrighty then. I think in about 3-5 years we'll start seeing some motor swaps and parts, that's waht happened with the civic, and crx.

So far the Starlet swap has proven to be the best bang so far. With just a couple of goodies were at 179 whp and 192 wtq. Thats all the stock injectors would allow. Bigger injectors and we off to the dyno again.

That's awesome! Can't wait till it's the easy thing to do. But right now I geuss it's just plain smart to hold off if you're like me, broke. Still I can't help but fantasize.....

Once we figure out the total cost of the swap, we will post it. Just to give you an idea, we do this swap in Tercels for $2800.00 out the door. Scion will be slightly higher, but not that much.

And one would gain at least 70 HP for abot the same price as a turbo kit. And the best deal is you guys install the motor, as opposed to the owner installing the turbo, or paying another 3-5 hundered to have it installed. I think the benefits are very clear.

Do you guys rework/rebuild the motor or is it just a used unit from a junkyard?

is the Starlet swap street legal though?

Once we figure out the total cost of the swap, we will post it. Just to give you an idea, we do this swap in Tercels for $2800.00 out the door. Scion will be slightly higher, but not that much.

is that just the labor? or both labor and parts?

too bad it'd never be smog legal..


do you retain vsc , trac , and abs?

The great and wonderful Yoda once said.....

" No box no go fast. Box is Box."
" Wanna go fast. Buy used GTI VW. MMmmm me thinks blow what you talk about away I do."

Translation. Don't dump big bucks into a small motor when you want a big motor car. It is too much. It is always to much.

$14,500 box plus an easy 3grand for motor swap = $17,500 fun box

$17,500 =2003/2004 VW GTI 1.8T at around a 180hp and weighs almost nothing.

Heck find anything else. Mustang GT/older EVO/ etc.

actually a gti weighs ALOT do research. weighs like 3200 or more pounds.

and i like the reliability and build quality of my box. i didnt buy it expecting it to be fast. but i will make it fast.
keep naysaying.

if YOU want an rsx type of car buy one. it's a much better car than a tc. and that's honest.

In California, what engines would be a smog-legal swap for an xB?

I'd love to swap a 2-Zed in, but from what I understand it is more headache than it is worth. I've been watching EL to see what they have to say about their 4E swap.

In California, what engines would be a smog-legal swap for an xB? any engine that is the same year or newer than the chassis year aka 2005 and newer if you have a 2005 xB .

must retain all smog devices. the catalytic converter has to be in the same approximate location.
must be from a cali car , cannot be a heavy duty motor ( no problems there )

Garret has 56% claim http://www.turbokits.com/xA_xB_turbo_kits.html in a 108hp engine that is just under 61hp. While 61 hp doesnt sound like much you always have to consider the stock power, Its like getting an additional 112 in a 200 hp engine. Pretty good gain really. Besides swapping for a bigger engine would throw off the balance and handling of the car.

yeah but it's illegal. and I don't believe a 56% claim at all.

Its close to being on point Darren...the only thing is its advertised at the crank...not at the wheels. Also, it should be noted that it was also on a manual tranny vehicle...I hit 123 on my automatic with a safe held back tune...Auto's put down about 83 to the wheels...Thats a 40 hp increase on an automatic :lalala:

back to question (if you didn't live in cali) would you try your hand at a 1zz swap or FI

Garret has 56% claim http://www.turbokits.com/xA_xB_turbo_kits.html in a 108hp engine that is just under 61hp. While 61 hp doesnt sound like much you always have to consider the stock power, Its like getting an additional 112 in a 200 hp engine. Pretty good gain really. Besides swapping for a bigger engine would throw off the balance and handling of the car.

Where is everyone getting these inflated numbers. To the ground I have yet to see a xB dynoed over a 100hp. And so far the biggest gain I have seen in person and from dyno sheets was only 144hp to ther ground. I am seeing if the know how is there to do the work then a swap is gonna be a way better option.

I actaully have had the oportunity to purcash a 04 box with ablown engine in it and and few other problems and was wondering what engines I would be able to drop in this thing. Got plenty to time to get it to work and come together. Just need an engine to put in there that wont take alot of hacking up of the vehicle.

Any ideas for me to go on?

The great and wonderful Yoda once said.....

" No box no go fast. Box is Box."
" Wanna go fast. Buy used GTI VW. MMmmm me thinks blow what you talk about away I do."

Translation. Don't dump big bucks into a small motor when you want a big motor car. It is too much. It is always to much.

$14,500 box plus an easy 3grand for motor swap = $17,500 fun box

$17,500 =2003/2004 VW GTI 1.8T at around a 180hp and weighs almost nothing.

Heck find anything else. Mustang GT/older EVO/ etc.

This is just a dumb statement. People buy cars all the time that "arnt" meant to be fast and would like to make then fast. No one ever thought a neon would be fast and bamn they are sold factory 230 to the ground. I have seen pintos at the track run 9's.

And i know you didnt put mustang gt in the fast car catagory.......

I would be curious to see if you could squeeze a 2.0T out of a MK II MR2 in an Xb.......

back to question (if you didn't live in cali) would you try your hand at a 1zz swap or FI
If I personally did not live in cali. i'd go f/i over a swap. cuz I know if tuned correctly it will be a billion times easier and a bare minimum of oh say 3 grand cheaper.

I would be curious to see if you could squeeze a 2.0T out of a MK II MR2 in an Xb.......the 3sgte is larger than a 1zz/2zz , 4efte , 4ag , and 2azfe. and the only engines of those I just listed that remotely fit are the 1zz/2zz and the 4efte. the 4age is too large by a bit. the 2az is the next largest which wont anywhere near easily fit. and then the 3sgte is the largest of all. it is a HUGE 4 cylinder. and to fit the best it'd need to be out of a celice alltrac / gt four

Its close to being on point Darren...the only thing is its advertised at the crank...not at the wheels. Also, it should be noted that it was also on a manual tranny vehicle...I hit 123 on my automatic with a safe held back tune...Auto's put down about 83 to the wheels...Thats a 40 hp increase on an automatic :lalala:
eh if theyre getting that much hp I believe their aggreessive tuning will bring a quick death to the motor. unless of course theyve learned a few tricks that no one else has.

The great and wonderful Yoda once said.....

" No box no go fast. Box is Box."
" Wanna go fast. Buy used GTI VW. MMmmm me thinks blow what you talk about away I do."

Translation. Don't dump big bucks into a small motor when you want a big motor car. It is too much. It is always to much.

$14,500 box plus an easy 3grand for motor swap = $17,500 fun box

$17,500 =2003/2004 VW GTI 1.8T at around a 180hp and weighs almost nothing.

Heck find anything else. Mustang GT/older EVO/ etc.
:no: If your grandfathers & great-grandfathers had this attitude in the 50's & 60's, there probably wouldn't be any need for car forums, the aftermarket industry, or mothers and apple pie! :rolling:

In California, what engines would be a smog-legal swap for an xB? any engine that is the same year or newer than the chassis year aka 2005 and newer if you have a 2005 xB .

must retain all smog devices. the catalytic converter has to be in the same approximate location.
must be from a cali car , cannot be a heavy duty motor ( no problems there )

No, that is incorrect.

You cannot swap in an engine that is not EPA certified to be in THAT chassis.

You can't put a 2005 Mustang Cobra V8 in your 2005 Scion xB because (aside from the obvious reasons) legally the Cobra engine has higher emissions than the engine the car came with and EPA does not certify THAT engine with THAT chassis.

Look up the laws dude.

Same reason your 1ZZ swap isn't legal either, sorry.

i ave looked up the laws as well as asked california highway patrol , and california state smog referree's. not smog guys but state refs... i'll go by what all of them say.

EPA is the government agency you need to worry about. But if you're doing the swap yourself it won't matter, as long as you can make whatever engine you swap in there pass emissions you'll be fine. But if you are going to a professional to have the engine installed, you may have a tough time finding one willing to break federal law as the penalties can be pretty serious.

What a CHP or state guy says is superceded by EPA. EPA regulates for the entire country.

You people do realize that for the E.L.Prototype swap, they are not stock and getting 170whp. First it is bumped up to 1.5L...not 1.3 which only adds like 10hp stock but when you start building you will see a gap of 50+whp that the 1.3 limits. Then they went with a front mount intercooler and who knows what tiny little things nobody knows about. Then of course the main part-YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE. A stock starlet has 135hp and for 2k you'd get the same in your scion with a turbo setup.

But yes, the starlet is the best when you DO upgrade because you have the potential of 300hp

erase!!!

erase!!!

Joe, you should post a pic of a flared out Starlet, I don't think some of these peeps were born then!

I actually have a 94 starlet, RHD, for sale in Socal...i'll post pix cuz their on my phone...but it has to go ASAP...$3000 with absolutely perfect interior and slight damage to the door but it comes with new door caps. Toms wheels are on it along with an HKS blowoff valve and an Apexi exhaust and also an intake (I believe Apexi).

Once we figure out the total cost of the swap, we will post it. Just to give you an idea, we do this swap in Tercels for $2800.00 out the door. Scion will be slightly higher, but not that much.

Whatever happened with this?

EPA is the government agency you need to worry about. But if you're doing the swap yourself it won't matter, as long as you can make whatever engine you swap in there pass emissions you'll be fine. But if you are going to a professional to have the engine installed, you may have a tough time finding one willing to break federal law as the penalties can be pretty serious.

What a CHP or state guy says is superceded by EPA. EPA regulates for the entire country.

well of the 4 shops i've talked to about motor swaps. swap all sorts of completely non usdm motors into usdm cars as well as swaps similar . aka b20 into a crx. they do it all the time. and epa may superceed but........ when will epa ever see my car? even if i was in another state their smog and usch is much more lax than cali. i dont have to worry about epa police. just chp and state smog refs. lol

you show me someone from the epa going around enforcing motor swaps and i'll worry but since cali cops ARE out enforcing carb placards i'll keep my car legal by state law.

A 20+ year old CRX is not under the same kind of scrutiny as a brand new car. Get real.

I'm looking forward to seeing your 1ZZ motor swap man, make sure you post lots and lots of pictures of it here when you do it. That's going to be neato. :yawn:

Starlet for sale if anyone wants to do the swap this is the best thing to get...complete, running, and beautiful. Rapes an S2000 and keeps up with street bikes.

$3000

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/showpaojoe/starlet1.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/showpaojoe/starlet2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/showpaojoe/starlet3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/showpaojoe/starlet4.jpg

I just want the motor........lol.

I wish you would have kept posting on our site Joe, we had some interest getting generated for what you were talking about.

^^what he said.

Ok check this out

http://www.pcauto.com.cn/playcar/modify/0501/pic/050105_modifyvitz28_thumb.jpg

http://www.pcauto.com.cn/playcar/modify/0501/pic/050105_modifyvitz15_thumb.jpg

http://www.pcauto.com.cn/playcar/modify/0501/pic/050105_modifyvitz16_thumb.jpg

Isnt she sweet..........

Not sure how the engine bay different from a Yaris......

The engine bay looks deeper.

What motor is that and what is it out of?

That's the 20v 4AGE. The Vitz/Echo/Yaris has got to have a smaller engine bay than our Xbs I would think....? So, it'll fit(Haha, barely)?

What vehicle did it come in?

wasnt that an older JDM corolla motor??

Yes, the 20v versions were offered in Japan in the Levin(Corolla) chassis codes AE101 and AE111, from 92-95(AE101) and 96-2000(AE111).

FrankenScion...I don't have access to a computer very often...maybe one or 2 days out of the month regularly but I'll check up on it again.

Thanks Joe, that's some great info. :clap:

Any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend.

I just wanted to post something about the 3S-GTE engine. (NOTE - when I say longblock, I mean just the engine [head/block combo] itself. No other parts/peripherals or anything.)

The basic longblock of a 3S-GTE will NOT fit in an xB. It's too tall by a couple inches and it's too long (front to back) by a couple inches. Without major modification to front of the car and the firewall, it won't fit.

Now, the longblock WILL fit in an xA. The problem you run into is with the add-ons of the engine. I.E. the starter. Various peripherals will require a notch in the frame. The starter would require about a 1.5" notch in the frame to fit. There are a couple other parts that would need a notch as well, but they were less than an inch. You would also need to move the battery to the back (or another desired location) and move the turbo to the side where the battery was. Or, lengthen the front of the car by about 8 inches. As you can probably guess, this will also require all custom piping, as well as a new customer build radiator and a custom built intercooler. Regardless if you want to do front mount or top mount.

Since this is neither practical or safe, to effectivly swap in a 3S-GTE engine in an xA you should do an entire tube frame front end. Of course, if you get to this point, you probably aren't too concerned about money. Unless you are super rich or have a shop doing it for a discount.

There is alot you can do in there though. The engine can be lowered by about 2 inches to even out the center of gravity. It can also be rotated about 2.5 or 3 degrees to sit in the bay a little better. Those are really asthetic options, but it would save you from leaving burn marks on the inside of your hood.

There were plenty of other custom things you need. Custom flywheel, bellhousing, shift linkage and various other things that seem impossible to find.

Like I said; any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I just wanted to throw this out there.


On a side note, I may have a nearly fully built 3S-GTE longblock for sale pretty soon. :lalala:

How much power do u want in the end?

150ish max? Turbo or S/C it!
Alot more then the only option is change the engine and have a few bucks to spend on it cause it will be pricey!

just swap in a K20! if they can fit it into an elise or an MR-S, you could shoe horn it into an xB. DEFINITELY would not be cheap and there's a 98% chance you'd have to give up some kind of ammenity to make it fit (i.e. smaller radiator, no a/c or relocated, cutting/welding of supports, etc.) but i think it'd be more then possible with enough time, $$ and skill.

http://www.jtuned.com/media/gallery%2FMRT%2Fshow%2FTAS%2006%2FShow%20Cars%2FJDMCARS%2D0336%2Ejpg

seriously, show me an engine swap UNDER $3k that actually WORKS and runs great and that'd be the bargain of the century. more then half of that cost would be spent on labor alone.

honestly, figure out how much power you want to make, what kind of driving/racing you plan to do with it and how much REALISTICALLY you want to spend to get there.

there is a swap kit for the 2zz motor into the box and the xA. The guy I talked to is looking into it and and xA out here in KY will be getting it.


HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU GUYS BUT THE CELICA GT-S 2ZZ-GE MOTOR WILL NOT!!! FIT INTO EITHER THE XB OR THE XA. THE TRANSMISSION IS TOO LONG AND THE MOTOR ITS SELF IS TOO BIG. IF SOMEONE DID MAKE AT "SWAP KIT" IT WOULD COST AT LEAST $6K AND WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE MODIFICATION TO THE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE. IT FLAT OUT WONT FIT. WE EVEN TRIED TO MATE THE 2ZZ MOTOR TO OUR STOCK 5SPD AND ITS NO BUENO BECAUSE OF THE STARTER LOCATION ON THE MOTOR. I SPENT $4K OF MY OWN MONEY TRYING TO DO IT. JUST THOUGHT I'D SAVE YOU GUYS THE TROUBLE.

http://images8.fotki.com/v127/photos/1/198974/1414285/capslock-vi.jpg

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST "CAPS LOCK"?

It's actually considered yelling so yes, I do.........lol.

What's funny is there already is a mount kit available...shhhhhh

YEAH ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!

nevermind the fact its been swapped into a vitz HB

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/6670/orig9pb.jpg

so i have heard the firewall had to be modified, but thats based on hearsay and hearsay is all that you will find on echofans.

WHATS REALLY FUNNY IS THAT I SENT SIOPAOJOE A PM ASKIN HIM WHERE HE'D SEEN A MOUNT KIT FOR IT AND I STILL HAVENT HEARD A REPLY.... HMMM http://www.newcelica.org/forums/images/smilies/bs.gif

there is a swap kit for the 2zz motor into the box and the xA. The guy I talked to is looking into it and and xA out here in KY will be getting it.


HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU GUYS BUT THE CELICA GT-S 2ZZ-GE MOTOR WILL NOT!!! FIT INTO EITHER THE XB OR THE XA. THE TRANSMISSION IS TOO LONG AND THE MOTOR ITS SELF IS TOO BIG. IF SOMEONE DID MAKE AT "SWAP KIT" IT WOULD COST AT LEAST $6K AND WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE MODIFICATION TO THE FRAME OF THE VEHICLE. IT FLAT OUT WONT FIT. WE EVEN TRIED TO MATE THE 2ZZ MOTOR TO OUR STOCK 5SPD AND ITS NO BUENO BECAUSE OF THE STARTER LOCATION ON THE MOTOR. I SPENT $4K OF MY OWN MONEY TRYING TO DO IT. JUST THOUGHT I'D SAVE YOU GUYS THE TROUBLE.

you use the 1zz 5speed and voila. the zz motors are larger than 1nz but theres room for them with minimal cutting and such. for parts , labor , and trd supercharger I can get the 1zz swapped into my car for 7k. so 5k without the supercharger. and probably like 6k for the 2zz with a 1zz trans.

Ok, Lets kill the caps lock, It would be sad if all these posts get removed. So please just chill.

all very interesting...
only time will tell where we will be in a few years....
but since the xb will be out of production soon will this affect its progress to get a decent swap????

WHATS REALLY FUNNY IS THAT I SENT SIOPAOJOE A PM ASKIN HIM WHERE HE'D SEEN A MOUNT KIT FOR IT AND I STILL HAVENT HEARD A REPLY.... HMMM http://www.newcelica.org/forums/images/smilies/bs.gif

He doesn't get online much at all.

all very interesting...
only time will tell where we will be in a few years....
but since the xb will be out of production soon will this affect its progress to get a decent swap????if 10 years after manufacture hasport makes swap kits for crazy motors into crx's and hatche's then yeah we should be allright. if anyone ever makes anything other than freakin 4efte :(

However, the number of CRX hatches to xB's isn't even close..

I think it will be enthusiast development only. I'm in it because the xB is one of the most unique looking cars/micro vans for the last 20 years. I only see one a month if I am lucky and the number of people that stare at mine is just nuts. After 5 years and it's all paid off it's getting the engine and 4WD setup out of an Evo. Talk about sleeper!!!

I see more xb's and tC's everyday than i do civic hatchbacks. It's all based on area there.

Yes, 1zz, 2zz can fit in our bay's with enough time and money invested.

However, i think i'm going to buy the yaris hb. Safe some money with payments and gas, and once i start moding it its lighter and yeah. I'm a fan of it. I might not.

Back to swapping, as for the k20 swap. K20 you would have way too many issues in reguards of fitment. B16 or B20 would be the best bet if you want to swap to a honda, which in my opinion would be worth it in the end. Personally, i would swap to a B16c5 motor for the box.

Im surprised that nobody from Puerto Rico has thrown a 13b into a box yet...theres gotta be someone out there that has done it...they will put a 13b into anything :rofl:
I would probly sh!t myself if someone was able to pull off a 20b swap....that would be a lot of loot :doh:

Im surprised that nobody from Puerto Rico has thrown a 13b into a box yet...theres gotta be someone out there that has done it...they will put a 13b into anything :rofl:
I would probly sh!t myself if someone was able to pull off a 20b swap....that would be a lot of loot :doh:

Also have to remember, there are VIP xb's around here with $10,000+ invested in just appearance alone, excluding cost of the car itself. People have the bank to do it, but too many people are caught up in everyone elses opinion, "its not worth it".

WHATS REALLY FUNNY IS THAT I SENT SIOPAOJOE A PM ASKIN HIM WHERE HE'D SEEN A MOUNT KIT FOR IT AND I STILL HAVENT HEARD A REPLY.... HMMM http://www.newcelica.org/forums/images/smilies/bs.gif

He doesn't get online much at all.


Thanks FrankenScion for actually thinking a response through before posting.

And it's been a week since that post and this is the first day that I got on and the first thing that I did was reply to your message asking what happened with your swap before I told you something because honestly, for a supposed $4k and nothing to show for it, I would never believe it.

Thank god I see this crap that you're pulling, trying to call me out openly even though you don't think things through like how FrankenScion did...very nice, let's see how long the next reply will be.

Any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend.

I just wanted to post something about the 3S-GTE engine. (NOTE - when I say longblock, I mean just the engine [head/block combo] itself. No other parts/peripherals or anything.)

The basic longblock of a 3S-GTE will NOT fit in an xB. It's too tall by a couple inches and it's too long (front to back) by a couple inches. Without major modification to front of the car and the firewall, it won't fit.

Now, the longblock WILL fit in an xA. The problem you run into is with the add-ons of the engine. I.E. the starter. Various peripherals will require a notch in the frame. The starter would require about a 1.5" notch in the frame to fit. There are a couple other parts that would need a notch as well, but they were less than an inch. You would also need to move the battery to the back (or another desired location) and move the turbo to the side where the battery was. Or, lengthen the front of the car by about 8 inches. As you can probably guess, this will also require all custom piping, as well as a new customer build radiator and a custom built intercooler. Regardless if you want to do front mount or top mount.

Since this is neither practical or safe, to effectivly swap in a 3S-GTE engine in an xA you should do an entire tube frame front end. Of course, if you get to this point, you probably aren't too concerned about money. Unless you are super rich or have a shop doing it for a discount.

There is alot you can do in there though. The engine can be lowered by about 2 inches to even out the center of gravity. It can also be rotated about 2.5 or 3 degrees to sit in the bay a little better. Those are really asthetic options, but it would save you from leaving burn marks on the inside of your hood.

There were plenty of other custom things you need. Custom flywheel, bellhousing, shift linkage and various other things that seem impossible to find.

Like I said; any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how far you want to go with it. I just wanted to throw this out there.


On a side note, I may have a nearly fully built 3S-GTE longblock for sale pretty soon. :lalala:

the xb has more room than the xa.

i talked to a few mechanics and they said a 2zz would fit in an xB. problem is theyve never done it before

Has anyone compared the 2 blocks? They're the same size...ooooh. And you wanna know why this would be a beneficial swap? Cuz the 2zz weighs 31lbs less which most of you probably haven't researched so i'll stop there.

Stop reading the crap that people post on here. It's all bull, nobody knows what they are talking about when it comes to concrete information, and nobody shows has the research/toyota knowledge yet to be making assumptions.

A word of advice, start looking at what TRD has done for "similar" cars to the xB NOT in the US.

Any engine will fit, it's just a matter of how much time and money you want to spend.

This is absolutely true.

I can still recall the writeup, road-test, and pictures in Sports Car Graphic (eventually became Car and Driver) magazine of the "Cadiminor Minilac" - A Cadilac V8 in an original Mini...

True, there was only the drivers seat inside - the rest was engine - and the massive slicks on the rear did require a major revamp of the wheelwells, but it was all there.

:D

Well as far as swaps go I would really like to do the 2zz, I have also been trying to get in touch with EL but no luck so far. I saw their xa at the SE B-day event in LA.
Oh the 2zz came in a limited edition echo in canada I belive it was called the Panasonic edition or so. What we all need to look out for will be Honda Fits with K swaps, I have seen a RHD already done.

Very good...now can you find the TRD part number for the engine mount kit they DO sell to swap in a 2zz into an echo which is not hard to modify for the xB.

hmm cant find any indication of said trd part. anywhere.

I havnt had time to look, But TRD USA will not have it. Hve to find some one in Canada to look or get a # for a TRD Dealer in Canada.

yeash i've searched everywhere for the zz motor in a echo nada , for the trd kit , not usa. I can't find anything anywhere.

That's awesome!

why swap engines???boosting it is cool.

I was thinking of putting an rb26dett in the rear hatch and taking out the back seats! JK JK JK. I wish it was possible!!! Even if it was I couldn't afford it but then again there's not many people who can!!!

why swap engines???boosting it is cool.motorswap will be more reliable and has a higher power potential.

Once in a while you will find one of those secret shops, or shops that you find where you heard of it from a guy that knows a guy....anyway, they usually are run by one person, who does all the work and is extremely knowledgable. Here in Minnesota, there is this little hole in the wall known as Boost Factory.
http://boostfactoryonline.com/home.html

The point of my post is, you dont need a crappy kit from Blitz etc.
When a custom fab job will get you better results for a fraction of the price.
I was quoted $1200 for an amazing setup with higher grade materials and not cheapy ebay/ home depot couplers.
Garret turbines onle here. So yea, you can pay 4k if ya want, but look into it a lil further and get yourself a better deal.

and be illegal.

Some people live outside of California, and don't really care about being illegal.

^^^ Indeed.

Once in a while you will find one of those secret shops, or shops that you find where you heard of it from a guy that knows a guy....anyway, they usually are run by one person, who does all the work and is extremely knowledgable. Here in Minnesota, there is this little hole in the wall known as Boost Factory.
http://boostfactoryonline.com/home.html


website isnt working.. im very interesting in that "hole in the wall". I wanna see what they got to offer