I just can not stand air ride suspension. its so pathetic. Coilovers is the way to go because you can actually fine tune coilover type suspension. airbags only go up and down you cant adjust the dampening abilities with air bags

just wanted to say that with easystreet struts, u CAN adjust dampening 9 ways

Bags and Coilovers are two totally different ballgames though. Bags are made entirely for show/looks purposes. Where Coilovers are intended for performance.

I just can not stand air ride suspension. its so pathetic. Coilovers is the way to go because you can actually fine tune coilover type suspension. airbags only go up and down you cant adjust the dampening abilities with air bags

and thats where you are wrong. I just can't stand coilovers, where you actually have to get under the car just to adjust the heighth... sheesh.

and yes, my front suspension, that is on air, has 9 way adjusting dampener or whatever you call that sh!t. I dont care about the "performance" so instead of talking your smack, try to think of what the purpose of most air is for.

LOL yea true but then you dont have to worry about one of the bags popping, not that its very common, but possible

LOL yea true but then you dont have to worry about one of the bags popping, not that its very common, but possible

maybe if you can't do a good install. I have had a truck on air for over 4 years and never popped a bag.

I dunno what problems could arise with a coilover, but my guess there could be problems?

depends. worst is having to reload the shocks. to have the gas reloaded. if you dont know how. have to take it apart, and send it to the dealer to have it reloaded

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I just can not stand air ride suspension. its so pathetic. Coilovers is the way to go because you can actually fine tune coilover type suspension. airbags only go up and down you cant adjust the dampening abilities with air bags

You, and many others here obviously know absolutely nothing about air suspension. Even the "cheap" Air Lift kit offers adjustable dampening. And you can get it in the rear as well with a set of Koni (or other adjustable) shocks.

And if you really think a bagged car can't handle, I would challenge you to go up against any of the thousands of cars bagged using Air Ride Technologies components. Their Shockwaves simply can't be beat. Even adding the adjustable HAL QA1 shocks does wonders for one of their standard air suspension kits.

Beyond that there are even more ways to make a pneumatic suspension exponentially out-perform a coil-over suspension. If you couple a pneumatic suspension with electronically controlled shocks you get a combination that can't be beat. You can control not only your spring rate, but your dampening as well from the comfort of the drivers seat... ON THE FLY! Try doing that with a set of coil-overs.

SURE ILL CHALLENGE. ILL TURN MY COILOVER WRENCH INTO A PUNCTURING TOOL AND PUNCTURE THE ____ OUTTA AN AIRBAG beat that, you cant puncture coilovers now can ya can ya?! CAN YA! lol just keeding

I just can not stand air ride suspension. its so pathetic. Coilovers is the way to go because you can actually fine tune coilover type suspension. airbags only go up and down you cant adjust the dampening abilities with air bags

You, and many others here obviously know absolutely nothing about air suspension. Even the "cheap" Air Lift kit offers adjustable dampening. And you can get it in the rear as well with a set of Koni (or other adjustable) shocks.

And if you really think a bagged car can't handle, I would challenge you to go up against any of the thousands of cars bagged using Air Ride Technologies components. Their Shockwaves simply can't be beat. Even adding the adjustable HAL QA1 shocks does wonders for one of their standard air suspension kits.

Beyond that there are even more ways to make a pneumatic suspension exponentially out-perform a coil-over suspension. If you couple a pneumatic suspension with electronically controlled shocks you get a combination that can't be beat. You can control not only your spring rate, but your dampening as well from the comfort of the drivers seat... ON THE FLY! Try doing that with a set of coil-overs.

um yeah untill a line blows or a bag pops while you're out racing your bagged vehicle , you lose control and then die.......


oh and if airbags are sooo superior to coilovers why arent they in racing use? whereas just about ALL racing uses coilovers.........

I just can not stand air ride suspension. its so pathetic. Coilovers is the way to go because you can actually fine tune coilover type suspension. airbags only go up and down you cant adjust the dampening abilities with air bags

You, and many others here obviously know absolutely nothing about air suspension. Even the "cheap" Air Lift kit offers adjustable dampening. And you can get it in the rear as well with a set of Koni (or other adjustable) shocks.

And if you really think a bagged car can't handle, I would challenge you to go up against any of the thousands of cars bagged using Air Ride Technologies components. Their Shockwaves simply can't be beat. Even adding the adjustable HAL QA1 shocks does wonders for one of their standard air suspension kits.

Beyond that there are even more ways to make a pneumatic suspension exponentially out-perform a coil-over suspension. If you couple a pneumatic suspension with electronically controlled shocks you get a combination that can't be beat. You can control not only your spring rate, but your dampening as well from the comfort of the drivers seat... ON THE FLY! Try doing that with a set of coil-overs.

um yeah untill a line blows or a bag pops while you're out racing your bagged vehicle , you lose control and then die.......


oh and if airbags are sooo superior to coilovers why arent they in racing use? whereas just about ALL racing uses coilovers.........

You want to know why you don't see air bags in many forms of racing? Mostly because they have been outlawed. For the most part, no matter what type of motor sport you are talking about they do not want the ability to adjust suspension while riding in the car.

I have seen pictures from back in the 1950s when stock cars used to run on the sand out in Daytona. You know what was painted on the side of the car? The Air Lift Logo.

And to your comment about blowing lines and air bags...

A properly engineered and installed air suspension is just as reliable as a static suspension. Any failure that takes place will be due to manufacturing flaws, not system design and installation. If pneumatic suspension systems were not reliable they wouldn't be factory installed equipment on the majority of luxury vehicles and almost every single tractor trailer in America.

manufacturing defect or not a blown bag or line at 100mph will kill....
and they arent outlawed because you could adjust inside the car. the system could be setup before the race and have no inside adjustment. it's about safety , weight , and moving parts , lines , and being a much more complicated system.

riddle me this one RTon

how can u adjust the stiffness of a bagged suspension without changing the ride height

pressure = lift or drop

now there are some specialty kits out there for WRX's and other sports cars
not to mention the OEM air suspensions
but these are in no way feasable on our vehicles

the rally guys have implemented a "stiffen-on-the-fly" suspension system
it is controlled by a computer
and adjusts dampening by magnetizing a iron based fluid to stiffen/soften the ride
it does this thousands of times per second
requires very accurate ride height sensors
and costs more than 30 xB's to have custom made for the car

manufacturing defect or not a blown bag or line at 100mph will kill....
and they arent outlawed because you could adjust inside the car. the system could be setup before the race and have no inside adjustment. it's about safety , weight , and moving parts , lines , and being a much more complicated system.

And a broken spring at 100 mph will do the same thing. A manufacturer's defect that causes a failure is a manufacturer's defect that causes failure. It doesn't matter of it is air, steel, aluminum, titanium, or bubble gum. A failure is a failure.

And as far as safety is concerned, pneumatic suspensions are among the safest out there. There is nothing inherently unsafe about pneumatic suspension. It is the improper design and implementation of pneumatic suspension that is unsafe. Just as improper design and implementation of a traditional steel suspension is unsafe.

riddle me this one RTon

how can u adjust the stiffness of a bagged suspension without changing the ride height

pressure = lift or drop

now there are some specialty kits out there for WRX's and other sports cars
not to mention the OEM air suspensions
but these are in no way feasable on our vehicles

the rally guys have implemented a "stiffen-on-the-fly" suspension system
it is controlled by a computer
and adjusts dampening by magnetizing a iron based fluid to stiffen/soften the ride
it does this thousands of times per second
requires very accurate ride height sensors
and costs more than 30 xB's to have custom made for the car

What you are talking about is stiffening the dampening of a car, not chaniging the spring rate. This can be done the exact same way in a pneumatic suspension as it is done in a traditional suspension. Adjusting the shocks.

If the cars were adjusting their spring rate on the fly without a ride height change, that would be different.

ignorance is bliss. read up on air before you guys wanna run your mouth. We simply came in here to defend the crap you guys were talking about air. I've had air on my car for over 4,000 miles, i don't race, but I have taken it pretty fast around corners and it handles just fine. So move on with your ignorance and talk about your coilovers now.

i'm not ignorant i've driven a few airbagged cars including two or three airbagged xb's.

manufacturing defect or not a blown bag or line at 100mph will kill....
and they arent outlawed because you could adjust inside the car. the system could be setup before the race and have no inside adjustment. it's about safety , weight , and moving parts , lines , and being a much more complicated system.

And a broken spring at 100 mph will do the same thing. A manufacturer's defect that causes a failure is a manufacturer's defect that causes failure. It doesn't matter of it is air, steel, aluminum, titanium, or bubble gum. A failure is a failure.

And as far as safety is concerned, pneumatic suspensions are among the safest out there. There is nothing inherently unsafe about pneumatic suspension. It is the improper design and implementation of pneumatic suspension that is unsafe. Just as improper design and implementation of a traditional steel suspension is unsafe.
read about how often a spring breaks.......
then read about how often bags or lines blow/break/pop. whether it's defect or instal.. springs hardly even break unless you cut them , heat them , or are grossly overloading them......


i never said air suspensions in general are unsafe but the possibility of a blown bag or line at speed has convinced me not to put air on any vehicle i will be traveling more than 70mph with.

i will have air when i get my old c10 but until then nope.

i still drive fast and hard in a slow arse xB or not.

How bout you guys try air ride on a car/truck with a 454 in it. and tell me how the torque doesn't snap anything.

Honestly guys, a broken line or blown bag, won't make you lose control of your car and die. You know what would happen? Whatever side it was on, it would just leak down and thats about it. No worse than a flat tire.

Hotbox05. i don't mean you are the ignorant one.

All in all, air isn't as bad or unsafe as you all think. so instead of some fighting game, i think this would be better as a opened and closed discussion since its turning into a brawl.

i do believe that bags are pretty much for show..but i dont think much people have intentions of auto-X with their xB. I used to have coilovers on my civic just b/c lowering springs arent adjustable..when i bagged my s10 i was introduced to bags and im glad to have it for the past 3 yrs. yes bags do have cons but IMO, i'd rather have it than coilovers b/c you dont have to get under ur car or anythign of that sort to adjust your ride height (im only talking about ride height now, not dampening)

what the hell. when did this topic change, and when did I BECOME THE PERSON THAT CREATED IT?!

what the hell. when did this topic change, and when did I BECOME THE PERSON THAT CREATED IT?! i did NOT authorize this lol

riddle me this one RTon

how can u adjust the stiffness of a bagged suspension without changing the ride height

pressure = lift or drop

now there are some specialty kits out there for WRX's and other sports cars
not to mention the OEM air suspensions
but these are in no way feasable on our vehicles

the rally guys have implemented a "stiffen-on-the-fly" suspension system
it is controlled by a computer
and adjusts dampening by magnetizing a iron based fluid to stiffen/soften the ride
it does this thousands of times per second
requires very accurate ride height sensors
and costs more than 30 xB's to have custom made for the car


my dad has the praxis air ride suspension for his wrx. it is meant for SCCA. gradual, adjustable height, and it adjusts to turning. now that is decent. but im glad i have a bunch of people taht stand behind me on coilovers.

http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/suspension.jsp?autoMake=Subaru&autoModel=Impreza+WRX+Sedan&autoYear=2003&autoModClar=&make=Praxis&model=Adaptive+Perf+Susp+Sys&group=Adaptive+Perf+Susp+Sys&partNum=PXSUBA1&perfCode=P


that is what my dad has on his car

manufacturing defect or not a blown bag or line at 100mph will kill....
and they arent outlawed because you could adjust inside the car. the system could be setup before the race and have no inside adjustment. it's about safety , weight , and moving parts , lines , and being a much more complicated system.

And a broken spring at 100 mph will do the same thing. A manufacturer's defect that causes a failure is a manufacturer's defect that causes failure. It doesn't matter of it is air, steel, aluminum, titanium, or bubble gum. A failure is a failure.

And as far as safety is concerned, pneumatic suspensions are among the safest out there. There is nothing inherently unsafe about pneumatic suspension. It is the improper design and implementation of pneumatic suspension that is unsafe. Just as improper design and implementation of a traditional steel suspension is unsafe.
read about how often a spring breaks.......
then read about how often bags or lines blow/break/pop. whether it's defect or instal.. springs hardly even break unless you cut them , heat them , or are grossly overloading them......


i never said air suspensions in general are unsafe but the possibility of a blown bag or line at speed has convinced me not to put air on any vehicle i will be traveling more than 70mph with.

i will have air when i get my old c10 but until then nope.

i still drive fast and hard in a slow arse xB or not.

The fact still remains, failures in air suspension are due to ignorance and inability. Not due to the system it's self. Following the lines of logic here, I would never trust a coil spring again. I mean who knows when that steel will just decide to revert back to it's original straight form?! I could end up with a steel rod through my neck!

The claims made on this site would be like reading a story about someone with no training who steals a plane and crashes it. Then turning around and saying planes aren't safe for travel because that one crashed. Air bags and other forms of pneumatic suspension are as reliable and trustworthy as any other system out there. As long as the systems are engineered, designed, and installed properly. Not to mention they offer a greater degree of adjustability and tune-ability than just about any other system out there.

when have you ever seen a steel spring turn into a rod in someones neck? never,,,,
what about air lift struts , and rear bags , and whether it's installed right or not. bags can mess up...
let alone if theres road debris that goes under yer car then snag a bag bam. cant snag a coilover spring.....


you install a coilover setup wrong you wont go down in one corner at speed. worst case is your a little bit lowere on one side. or if you're a complete retard at installs you have a blown shock or a nut comes loose. but that's gross install negligence.

and every car or vehicle i've driven or ridden in that was on air was uncomfortable and a bit sketchy..... not saying all are. but every one ive been in was.

whooooooooo cares.....coilovers nice for racing ..bags great for show...buy one or the other what ever your need., and as it looks a majority of us cant afford eather.so stop fighting which one is better.

oh brian. ha ha ha .

when have you ever seen a steel spring turn into a rod in someones neck? never,,,,
what about air lift struts , and rear bags , and whether it's installed right or not. bags can mess up...

Properly engineered, designed, and installed. I never made any claim as to the engineering or design of the Air Lift equipment. A properly engineered system will be virtually worry free.

let alone if theres road debris that goes under yer car then snag a bag bam. cant snag a coilover spring.....

Well we better go warn those 3 million plus truck drivers out there that they are driving death traps. It's a wonder we have food on our table and clothes on our back considering one of the nation's most vital infrastructures is relying on such dangerous equipment.

Anything bad enough to take out an air spring will most certainly do damage regardless of what components you are using. Are the rubber compounds more susceptible to damage than a piece of wound steel rod? Most certainly. Can they take the abuse expected in every day use on America's highways? Absolutely.


you install a coilover setup wrong you wont go down in one corner at speed. worst case is your a little bit lowere on one side. or if you're a complete retard at installs you have a blown shock or a nut comes loose. but that's gross install negligence.

The same holds true for an air bag installation. You can not blame a system for "gross install negligence" as you put it. Plainly put, if you aren't competent enough to install a suspension system, ANY SUSPENSION SYSTEM, don't put your life and others at risk. As stated before a properly engineered, designed and installed pneumatic suspension system is as reliable as anything else out on the road.

and every car or vehicle i've driven or ridden in that was on air was uncomfortable and a bit sketchy..... not saying all are. but every one ive been in was.

Then you haven't been in a vehicle that has been bagged properly. Or you have been in one where the driver is not knowledgeable enough to tune their air system. The biggest problems with "air bags" is that to many people take too many short cuts in order to have an adjustable suspension. When correctly designed and engineered system is installed properly it will ride better, and handle as well if not better than anything else on the road.

And remember... there is a key word in every statement that I have made regarding pneumatic suspension. That word is "system." A pneumatic suspension system is more than the some of its parts. All of the components chosen for a system must work together. From correct air spring selection (load rating) to correct shock or strut selection (dampening). And even then it must be properly tuned. Things like mounting locations, shock angles, alignment pressure/height all have to be considered. A good pneumatic suspension is a lot more than throwing a couple balloons under your car and filling them up with a helium tank.

whooooooooo cares.....coilovers nice for racing ..bags great for show...buy one or the other what ever your need., and as it looks a majority of us cant afford eather.so stop fighting which one is better.

Ahhh... come on. It's all in fun. And even though it may seem like we are at each others throat, we really aren't. I wouldn't even call it fighting. More like a debate. And a friendly one at that. At least I haven't been getting upset. I hope no one else has.

We are all Scion owners, and I hope that something as small as a disagreement over which suspension one person prefers wouldn't cause a divide.

Besides, what looks like fighting to some, can be informative to others.

true that

hey this is coming into a fun topic. i love that response at the top about the spring turning into a steel rod going into someones neck :rofl: :rofl:

when have you ever seen a steel spring turn into a rod in someones neck? never,,,,
what about air lift struts , and rear bags , and whether it's installed right or not. bags can mess up...

Properly engineered, designed, and installed. I never made any claim as to the engineering or design of the Air Lift equipment. A properly engineered system will be virtually worry free.

let alone if theres road debris that goes under yer car then snag a bag bam. cant snag a coilover spring.....

Well we better go warn those 3 million plus truck drivers out there that they are driving death traps. It's a wonder we have food on our table and clothes on our back considering one of the nation's most vital infrastructures is relying on such dangerous equipment.

Anything bad enough to take out an air spring will most certainly do damage regardless of what components you are using. Are the rubber compounds more susceptible to damage than a piece of wound steel rod? Most certainly. Can they take the abuse expected in every day use on America's highways? Absolutely.


you install a coilover setup wrong you wont go down in one corner at speed. worst case is your a little bit lowere on one side. or if you're a complete retard at installs you have a blown shock or a nut comes loose. but that's gross install negligence.

The same holds true for an air bag installation. You can not blame a system for "gross install negligence" as you put it. Plainly put, if you aren't competent enough to install a suspension system, ANY SUSPENSION SYSTEM, don't put your life and others at risk. As stated before a properly engineered, designed and installed pneumatic suspension system is as reliable as anything else out on the road.

and every car or vehicle i've driven or ridden in that was on air was uncomfortable and a bit sketchy..... not saying all are. but every one ive been in was.

Then you haven't been in a vehicle that has been bagged properly. Or you have been in one where the driver is not knowledgeable enough to tune their air system. The biggest problems with "air bags" is that to many people take too many short cuts in order to have an adjustable suspension. When correctly designed and engineered system is installed properly it will ride better, and handle as well if not better than anything else on the road.

And remember... there is a key word in every statement that I have made regarding pneumatic suspension. That word is "system." A pneumatic suspension system is more than the some of its parts. All of the components chosen for a system must work together. From correct air spring selection (load rating) to correct shock or strut selection (dampening). And even then it must be properly tuned. Things like mounting locations, shock angles, alignment pressure/height all have to be considered. A good pneumatic suspension is a lot more than throwing a couple balloons under your car and filling them up with a helium tank.

whether air lift is engineered well or not it's widely sold and most peeps who arent in tune may buy em and bam....


as far as big rigs they sit alot higher than most bagged cars do.... and that's a fact. we are both reaching for the sky. lol....


to you anyone who isnt a pro installing an air bag system shouldnt be doing it. yet lets say someone who is really car savvy is installing a pneumatic system. lets say he unsuspectingly uses an inferior bracket to hold a line. the line comes loose and drags the ground. bam loss of air.....and yes i know you can install extra valves so this doesnt happen but not very many people do it. let alone the cost and extra work that is required...

or lets say someone loves to slam the schnit out of their bags and weakens the bag... so lets say they are driving hit one bag up and then it pops.. lets say they were going 40 or so. safe enough but still sketchy...

lets say the same weakened bag is at constant pressure at ride height...... going down a bumpy highway at say 90 mph. hit a huge bump and the pressure exerted onto / into the bag.... causes it to pop. lets say that it happened on a slow gradual curve at 90. blammo your hitting the wall . or if theres no wall your unlucky arse will hit another vehicle head on. and no that wasnt from improper install or faulty equipment...... just someone who thought they were using their bags properly/correctly. yet they weakened their system at an accelerated pace.

it can be safe but with alot more variables coming into play when using a pneumatic system i'll take my chances with a metal formerly coil spring through my neck.

basically what braddah hotbox05 is trying to say is, if you arent car savvy. STAY AWAY from them and let the pros work on them. see me, i dont trust anyone else working on a car but ME lol

i'm as close to a pro as you can get. almost all of the knowledge just no papers.

i'm just saying with air there is always a risk of a bag or a line blowing. with coilovers there's really no risk like that.

^^^ you run risks with anything that is aftermarket ..heck even sometimes with the oem stuff...lol!!

this is true. i'm just stating it's a higher risk. not liek death wish but a higher rick nonetheless. and the less experience you have with cars in general the higher the risk. let alone running air without knowing how to.

but system for system a pneumatic systems has a much larger chance of something going wrong than a coilover setup. whether it's from install , manufacturing , materials used. or hell just wear and tear.

as well as the maintanence as far as draining your tank , using a water seperator , checking valves for leaks , making sure you use dump filter as too keep sand and dirt and debris out of your valves so they dont leak. just alot more stuff going on. and each little component of an air system can cause a leak or a problem.


alltho i dislike air it can be great. but let me say this.....

if you even think you may have a hard time installing. and dont have a pro to go to and learn/help do not do it.

whether air lift is engineered well or not it's widely sold and most peeps who arent in tune may buy em and bam....

I am not here to defend Air Lift or any other specific companies product. Simply speaking in general terms about the reality of pneumatic suspensions.

as far as big rigs they sit alot higher than most bagged cars do.... and that's a fact. we are both reaching for the sky. lol....

Lower or higher, each can be an advantage or a disadvantage. It all depends on situation. Hazarding any guess as to what would happen is nothing more than speculation.

to you anyone who isnt a pro installing an air bag system shouldnt be doing it. yet lets say someone who is really car savvy is installing a pneumatic system. lets say he unsuspectingly uses an inferior bracket to hold a line. the line comes loose and drags the ground. bam loss of air.....and yes i know you can install extra valves so this doesnt happen but not very many people do it. let alone the cost and extra work that is required...

I absolutely do not think professionals are the only people that should do installs. And that is related to any type of product. The key to my thoughts is that if you feel a task is beyond your abilities, don't go at it alone. Seek guidance and assistance. If you still feel it is beyond your means, seek out a professional and pay the cost for peace of mind. And this goes for any type of installation. Whether it be suspension, engine, stereo, or any other kind of work.

or lets say someone loves to slam the schnit out of their bags and weakens the bag... so lets say they are driving hit one bag up and then it pops.. lets say they were going 40 or so. safe enough but still sketchy...

This is again a case of misconception or ignorance. Just because some "loves to slam the schnit" out of their car, as you put it, does not mean you will have a "weakened" bag. As long as bags are used within their design limitation they will provide years and years of reliable service. Most likely longer than any of us will own our cars. Slamming a car to the ground will NOT pop a bag as long as it is kept within it's design limitations.

lets say the same weakened bag is at constant pressure at ride height...... going down a bumpy highway at say 90 mph. hit a huge bump and the pressure exerted onto / into the bag.... causes it to pop. lets say that it happened on a slow gradual curve at 90. blammo your hitting the wall . or if theres no wall your unlucky arse will hit another vehicle head on. and no that wasnt from improper install or faulty equipment...... just someone who thought they were using their bags properly/correctly. yet they weakened their system at an accelerated pace.

Again, this is a matter of keeping a bag within it's design specifications. Bags are designed with two different pressure loadings. One is constant pressure. This is the one most everyone is aware of. This is the maximum pressure at the bag in a constant state. Then there is the "burst" pressure. Now contrary to what some may think, burst pressure is not the pressure at which the bag will burst. Essentially it is the pressure the bag is designed to handle in the instance of a pressure spike. As an example, when you have the bag inflated and hit a horrendous bump. The pressure spikes momentarily, but soon settles back to the previous pressure as the suspension stabilizes. Burst pressure is also seen when the fill valves release air into the bags.

Unless you are exceeding the maximum constant design pressure, the chances of actually "popping" a bag because of a pressure spike is almost zero.

it can be safe but with alot more variables coming into play when using a pneumatic system i'll take my chances with a metal formerly coil spring through my neck.

You are right, air bags can be safe, and there are a lot more variables. That is one of the trade offs. Just as with anything else. A standard coil spring is the least hassle of all the suspension options for the xB. It is also the least expensive, and offers the least amount of flexibility. Then you can move into a coil-over system. These cost more to install, and are more work to fine tune. More parts mean a greater number of parts that can fail. And finally you move into air bags. More parts, and more expensive than even the coil-over systems. But, you get the greatest amount of flexibility and tune-ability with this option.

It is all personal choice and personal preference. It is just sad to see that so many here have been soured to the thought of pneumatic suspension because of bad installs or poorly designed products. Pneumatic suspension can be just as reliable, and offers the greatest degree of tune-ability available.

this is true. i'm just stating it's a higher risk. not liek death wish but a higher rick nonetheless. and the less experience you have with cars in general the higher the risk. let alone running air without knowing how to.

but system for system a pneumatic systems has a much larger chance of something going wrong than a coilover setup. whether it's from install , manufacturing , materials used. or hell just wear and tear.

as well as the maintanence as far as draining your tank , using a water seperator , checking valves for leaks , making sure you use dump filter as too keep sand and dirt and debris out of your valves so they dont leak. just alot more stuff going on. and each little component of an air system can cause a leak or a problem.


alltho i dislike air it can be great. but let me say this.....

if you even think you may have a hard time installing. and dont have a pro to go to and learn/help do not do it.

Potential for problems, and actual problems are two completely different things. There are potentials for problems in avery single suspension system out there. A properly engineered and installed pneumatic suspension can be a trouble free suspension for years and years.

The fact remains, it boils down to preference and ability. Choose what you like, and have the ability, or money to have installed properly.