It's a great look. Everyone will know you can't afford larger tires.

Uh yeah, what 400amonth said, but more politely :)

For a tire to look like that it's well outside of the design range of rim width. It's not particularly safe. Plus, in my opinion, it looks really stupid - because it clearly indicates that the owner of the vehicle has no clue of how a tire should be mounted properly.

Please don't mount underwidth tires like this.

I'd be more interested if it's possible to do the total opposite, i.e. have uber wide tires on a rim - the above looks all anorexic.

Dude, tire, eat something.

Wow! There are some negative people on this thread!

Wow! There are some negative people on this thread!

^^^^^^^ :clap: ^^^^^^^

this the MOST freaking stupid thing I have ever seen. for christ sakes you are driving/cornering on side wall. ANYONE WHO DOES THIS ...when the wreck happens due to a blow out know you . When the cop gives you a ticket for your car being a hazard know you . When the family of the person you killed in the "other" car sues you know you . When you curb your wheels on a break in the pavement know you . When you make a corner and the tire rolls off the rim know you . When you actually pay for the tires and rims knowing they will never work together properly know you . Why don't ya just toss some rear wheel drive spokes on it a skate board slam it...:)

Geez, if I posted this, I would have been banned! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

not my style!

Uh yeah, what 400amonth said, but more politely :)

For a tire to look like that it's well outside of the design range of rim width. It's not particularly safe. Plus, in my opinion, it looks really stupid - because it clearly indicates that the owner of the vehicle has no clue of how a tire should be mounted properly.

Please don't mount underwidth tires like this.
If you had NKB mesh wheels you would know why stretched tires is neccesary. Clearly you don't know what your talking about :nope: :loser:

and theres the VW guys too...

http://www.hostdub.com/albums/SoLo2pointO/stretched.sized.jpg


:rofl: my god... and this is suppose to be "COOL" OR GOOD LOOKING...? i think this fad is the most dangerous and STUPID fad i have seen yet.. i can not even think of ONE good reason why you would want this..... 400AMONTH's post had me laughing.... but im in total agreement..

think about this... these are the kinds of people who will put the wrong size tires on the wheel... go out.. have an accident then sue the tire or wheel manufacture for a defective product...

Uh yeah, what 400amonth said, but more politely :)

For a tire to look like that it's well outside of the design range of rim width. It's not particularly safe. Plus, in my opinion, it looks really stupid - because it clearly indicates that the owner of the vehicle has no clue of how a tire should be mounted properly.

Please don't mount underwidth tires like this.
If you had NKB mesh wheels you would know why stretched tires is neccesary. Clearly you don't know what your talking about :nope: :loser:

dajap.. i am not familiar with NKB mesh wheels.. but why would this wheel make it be NECCESARY to mount undersize tires... after reading your post i looked for anything on these wheels and cannot find any thing...

These wheels only come in 16x9. Of course you would have to drop your xb exceptionally lower then other people with bigger rims. Even with the 3 degree camber and strecthed tires you still will encounter some rubbing issues. Without a stretched tire you would end up doing a lot of damage. For some people strecthing a tire is a need in order for it to fit their rims that are wide and or low offset, some people do it for the cosmetic reasons.

"People that talk $hit dont have $hit."

-Mark C

"People that talk $hit dont have $hit."

-Mark C


:rofl: :clap: :clap: :clap:

dajap I believe the NKB Mesh wheels come in 7, 8, and 9 widths unless Memoryfab has them listed wrong.

http://www.memoryfab.com/detail/?id=228

I meant they don't get any bigger than 16's
Good catch :P

dajap I believe the NKB Mesh wheels come in 7, 8, and 9 widths unless Memoryfab has them listed wrong.

http://www.memoryfab.com/detail/?id=228

I love those NKBs! Are those NKBs 2-piece? They have a really nice finish too...

wow a lot of haters in here, i mean i despise chrome but dont say anything when i see some ghettoo chrome bling panther or d'vinci wheels on cars, its a taste thing, i love the stretched and cambered look, and if you dont f off im not talkin about your ____. so ive been through a few sets on wheels and a have a few moe coming before the end of the year so will be small and wide witha massive stretch some will be more track oriented. but whatever, its my car not yours, and yeah my tires will wear faster with 3 deg of camer on a stretch, but thats why i ahave a mounter and ballancer so can flip flop them without getting raped by the tire shop.....oh and by the way i think nkb's are avaible in up to a 10 in wheel you can see for yourself at www.s-2.co.jp

brent

If you look it shows that the NKB MESH wheels only go up to a 9.
http://www.s-2.co.jp/main_e.htm

Put down these styling cues all you want. The euro guys stretch tires, the Asain guys run Folgers cans for mufflers. Not everyone is gonna like either but it no reason to insult it.

I currently own a VW Golf GTI with the stretched rubber look and I get nothing put compliments. I plan on doing the same look when I get my xB.

Heres a couple pics of my ride....
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/ctruss53/2001GTI/100_0285.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/ctruss53/2001GTI/100_0284.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/ctruss53/2001GTI/100_0291.jpg

If you are looking for sweet deep dish rims, those are Brock B1's. 17x8.5 in the front with 215/45's ion them. On the back I'm running 17x10's with 235/40's on them. Lots of stretch and it looks awesome.

Wheels like those can be found on sale at www.tunershop.com be careful, they can be pricey.

I didn't want to post anything but damn, We need more love in this forum. People do what they do, if its right or wrong. They can run super fat tires on smaller wheels or stretch smaller tires on wide wheel, It's their car. I assume both groups know what they are doing so lets stop h8ting each other and show more respect to each others ideas !!! Here how we are doing it in JDMPalace :P :P :P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/boxybox/stretchit.jpg

wow...
sweet stretch!!

thats not even a mounted tire! :rofl: the sidewalls arent "stretched" :tap:

They are, but thats how it looks when you look at them in that angle, the point of that picture was how much the wheels sticking out not how stretch the tires are , here a picure of them in different angle, the middle wheels are the ones in the top picture and don't forget they are only 35 series tires on 18 wheels !!! Sean @ JDMPalace

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/boxybox/gotstretch.jpg

ugly

thats not even a mounted tire! :rofl: the sidewalls arent "stretched" :tap:

Do you really think he would go thru all the trouble, and put tire's on a set of rim's for the hell of it...,You Lame...........Of course they are mounted........I hate people like you that post, and don't even take the time to think...........Instead you are quick to question, or put down someone..........Stop Hating, and use your head next time..................lol.....


:rofl: Got Stretch? :rofl:

Incredible! Let me take a wild guess. From the looks of it.

18X11"
Offset= ~0 or negative
225/35-18 tire

Pic shows 9 degrees of camber on your xB with the Noblesse rear bumper with the license plate hole and exhaust hole Filled and painted?! :) :)

How close am i? :)

people just hate on these forums. but what can you do. i hate ignorant people, but all the peeps on sl that are down more then make up for it. in a few years they will be the very ones running hipari tires and talkin mad $h!t about how dope it is and how they got sick style. if you don't like , fine, just don't be a hater on something you don't understand.

btw, i read that stretching tires came from euro cars running wide rims. they had to stretch the tires because the laws in germany require that no part of the tread sticks out past the fenders. they got away with running wide rims legally and spawned a different trend as a side effect.

you learn something new everyday.....
thanks!!

Wow! There are some negative people on this thread!

^^^^^^^ :clap: ^^^^^^^

I'm not negative.

I'm pessimistic and abrasive.

"People that talk $hit dont have $hit."

-Mark C

That doesn't even make sense.

"People that talk $hit dont have $hit."

-Mark C

That doesn't even make sense.
Makes sense to me. :P

I like the look if its subtle, but is there a lot of maintenance involved?

I'm curious to know if anyone running a stretched setup has had blowouts, tires falling off, etc.

I know why MyBox never posts his car cause of dumb@$$s that only know the regular ricer Motegi from Pep boys tires and rims. They have no idea about things outside of thier realm. Also Just because its not 20" doesnt make it ugly. Sorry we all dont have hydros and daytons...man ScionLife is starting to suck.

Can you say Camber King?................ :rofl: lol :rofl: ...............or..........Stretch King?

What ever it is it's all there.................. :rofl: ........God I love that wheel set up.........

And"THE Danger" you are right, that's why MyBox doesn't post any pic's of his car, because of lame's that buy there mod's at Automotion, and ect, and are quick to hate, it's to bad there has to be so many dumb people........lol.......

Dude, streching tires goes back to the boulavard days on El camino in norcal! Stretching the tires on the old wire wheel Tru Spokes for the impala's and monte carlo's! Was it really japan that came out with the stretching? Or was it the old school peeps from Cali? :D

Taking it back!!
Star wires wheels
True Spokes with the Knock offs

and theres the VW guys too...

http://www.hostdub.com/albums/SoLo2pointO/stretched.sized.jpg


:rofl: my god... and this is suppose to be "COOL" OR GOOD LOOKING...? i think this fad is the most dangerous and STUPID fad i have seen yet.. i can not even think of ONE good reason why you would want this..... 400AMONTH's post had me laughing.... but im in total agreement..

think about this... these are the kinds of people who will put the wrong size tires on the wheel... go out.. have an accident then sue the tire or wheel manufacture for a defective product...

YEA!!!!

:no: This topic is such B.......S!!!![/b]

The stretch on mybox's car is sexy, don't know what your talking about whoever said it was ugly, and a lot of times, you ahve to do that to make larger wheels fit, i'm running 17x8.5" in the front with a 16 offset and 17x9" in the rear with a 17 offset and running 215/40/17 tires, mildly stretched, tanabe drop, running the onetongarage rear 3 degree camber shims, but if i was running any larger tires, I would rub like crazy on them, and i'm sure mybox has the same situation, much props though for having the balls to stretch that ;-)

The stretch on mybox's car is sexy, don't know what your talking about whoever said it was ugly, and a lot of times, you ahve to do that to make larger wheels fit, i'm running 17x8.5" in the front with a 16 offset and 17x9" in the rear with a 17 offset and running 215/40/17 tires, mildly stretched, tanabe drop, running the onetongarage rear 3 degree camber shims, but if i was running any larger tires, I would rub like crazy on them, and i'm sure mybox has the same situation, much props though for having the balls to stretch that ;-)

OPR8R's old Work Euroline N's. :) :) :) :)

The stretch on mybox's car is sexy, don't know what your talking about whoever said it was ugly, and a lot of times, you ahve to do that to make larger wheels fit, i'm running 17x8.5" in the front with a 16 offset and 17x9" in the rear with a 17 offset and running 215/40/17 tires, mildly stretched, tanabe drop, running the onetongarage rear 3 degree camber shims, but if i was running any larger tires, I would rub like crazy on them, and i'm sure mybox has the same situation, much props though for having the balls to stretch that ;-)

OPR8R's old Work Euroline N's. :) :) :) :)

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh :no:

The stretch on mybox's car is sexy, don't know what your talking about whoever said it was ugly, and a lot of times, you ahve to do that to make larger wheels fit, i'm running 17x8.5" in the front with a 16 offset and 17x9" in the rear with a 17 offset and running 215/40/17 tires, mildly stretched, tanabe drop, running the onetongarage rear 3 degree camber shims, but if i was running any larger tires, I would rub like crazy on them, and i'm sure mybox has the same situation, much props though for having the balls to stretch that ;-)

OPR8R's old Work Euroline N's. :) :) :) :)

Ah yup.

And when a few of us started running camber, alot of people said we were crazy and were going to be buying rear tires like crazy! But I had front camber dialed into both of my 1976 Celicas in 1983!

And funny how some of those who were criticizng are now some of the ones who say camber is the greatest thing since sliced bread!

But of coure I can't post any proof cuz the site has been cleaned up of older posts.

Just going to put this out there. Fitting tires that are too narrow for a specific rim is going to have 2 effects besides for how it looks. 1) Traction will be reduced due to a smaller contact patch caused by the bending of the tire. If a tire is too narrowl for a rim, the tire will bulge on the sides. If a tire is to wide for a rim, the tire will bulge in the middle, bringing us to the second effect. 2) Tire stretching will cause extremely excessive wear on the outer portion of the tread and hence cost a lot of money for new rubber. The effect on the tread would be very simmiler to running radical cambers. If this was for a show, I'd say cool, to each his own. If this was driven on the street...well lets just say I wouldnt suggest it. Tires are designed the way they are for a reason.

eh i wasnt hating, just putting in my 2 cents b/c to me it didnt seem like the tires were mounted. take it easy :silly: i didnt say it was ugly or stupid so i dont think its hating

Just going to put this out there. Fitting tires that are too narrow for a specific rim is going to have 2 effects besides for how it looks. 1) Traction will be reduced due to a smaller contact patch caused by the bending of the tire. If a tire is too narrowl for a rim, the tire will bulge on the sides. If a tire is to wide for a rim, the tire will bulge in the middle, bringing us to the second effect. 2) Tire stretching will cause extremely excessive wear on the outer portion of the tread and hence cost a lot of money for new rubber. The effect on the tread would be very simmiler to running radical cambers. If this was for a show, I'd say cool, to each his own. If this was driven on the street...well lets just say I wouldnt suggest it. Tires are designed the way they are for a reason.

Looking good costs a price :P

....and as for my wheels....I have no idea what your talkinga bout or who this operator guy is :lalala:

This thread is turning into a stupid argument...everyone likes what they like...if you dont like what you see, then go tell it to the only person who really gives a f uck (yourselves)
Half of you wouldnt know something that looks good if it smakced you in the face

Ohhhh wow. A whole thread about my wheels and tires! Anyway what a bunch of newbie people on this thread. You know who you are. And what a surprise, they drive tCs. ZING!:loser:

Oh and bBoxd, have you seen the car as a whole? lol
Tell me what you think.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b372/elusivecc/events/100805/001.jpg

looks good^^^^
Now about the comment of the tC drivers :come: Only reason why I sold the xB is cause I was boost hungry and the 6 psi I was pushing in the box wast good enough after a while...my heart is still with the xB though :cry:

looks good^^^^
Now about the comment of the tC drivers :come: Only reason why I sold the xB is cause I was boost hungry and the 6 psi I was pushing in the box wast good enough after a while...my heart is still with the xB though :cry:

The comment wasnt really intended for you. Notice that i wrote.."you know who you are", you know you werent being a closeminded, know-it-all so no harm, no foul. And i must say some of tC owners on SL like to incite and instigate arguments. I'm just writing what people already know. Again, you know who you are.

Some people have even gone so far as to write that they hoped my tires would pop. Total strangers! Go figure~

yea I hear ya...half of the kids on this site are 18 yr old kids that mommy and daddy thought the tC would be a good first car for their kid to drive and decided to spoil them and buy one...lame ish

wow......wtf, let a mofo have sum rims w stretched tires..sheeeeet is it really worth the time and argument?......what if the people from scion read this post?....lol...u think they would still want to be part of Scion Life and have a link to the site on scion.com?

Danger, SL isnt starting to suck, its the internet n00bs that are sucking...people if u have an opinion STATE it , and then call it a day

this is the stupidest thing i have ever seen. why would anyone want to waste 1000 bux on nice rims and tires, to get the wrong size, and ruin both sets. i am sorry i drive an xb cuz i am poor. it has good gas mileage and low monthly payment. what is up with goin through wheels in less that 5000 miles on it? and then your rims will all be scratched up too. like most others have posted in here..."and this is supposed to look good?" :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:

and theres the VW guys too...

http://www.hostdub.com/albums/SoLo2pointO/stretched.sized.jpg


:rofl: my god... and this is suppose to be "COOL" OR GOOD LOOKING...? i think this fad is the most dangerous and STUPID fad i have seen yet.. i can not even think of ONE good reason why you would want this..... 400AMONTH's post had me laughing.... but im in total agreement..

think about this... these are the kinds of people who will put the wrong size tires on the wheel... go out.. have an accident then sue the tire or wheel manufacture for a defective product...

YEA, IGNORANCE is bliss and DANGEROUS!!!!

:no: This topic is such B.......S!!!![/b]

this is the stupidest thing i have ever seen. why would anyone want to waste 1000 bux on nice rims and tires, to get the wrong size, and ruin both sets. i am sorry i drive an xb cuz i am poor. it has good gas mileage and low monthly payment. what is up with goin through wheels in less that 5000 miles on it? and then your rims will all be scratched up too. like most others have posted in here..."and this is supposed to look good?" :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:
this is the kind of dumba$$ negative comments that we're talkin about. 1st of all $1000 will NOT buy you any set of high quality wide rims and tires. lol $1000 bux, lol. that statement in itself is stupid. how will they ruin? and "less then 5000 miles?" rims scratched up? i know alot of people and x girlfriends that have scratched up and ruined stock wheels with proper tire sizes. i also know a lot of people who have never damaged expensive wheels with stretched tires on them. it may not look good to you but usually $1000 wheel and tire combos don't look that good to me either, but you don't see me going on other peoples threads or reading in their profile how they want "Chrome 17s with Pirelli Wrap" dissin their rims, now do you? who's the loser now?

first off, i have a tC with a stretched fitment..

over 5k miles on my 'stretched' tires with no problems.. rims are still flawless and my tire wear is even. no noticable problems with handling/tire pressure/etc. i did it because the next size up wouldnt fit, not because i couldnt afford it. cmon the price difference is what.. 20 bux? i dont think anybody stretching their tires do it because they cant afford a wider size. its all looks and fitment..

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/tc562/DSCN0257.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/tc562/DSCN0245.jpg

some of you guys need to chill with the bashing. were all car enthusists here.. learn to respect other ppl's styles.


also, let me squash some of the stereotyping goin on in this post. im 19, with probly less than 30 posts but far from a 'noob'. ive had my tC since JUNE of 2004. long before most ppl even seen a tC on the street.. i pay for every cent of it, along with any mods i add to it. i'm about to hit 35k miles on it and know this baby like the back of my hand.

dont get me wrong.. ive also noticed lots of young and dumb tC owners on this site.. but for the record, im not one of them. :no:

^^EXACTLY...
i had stretched tires on my bagged Taco....
no biggie..... why do peeps have to be sooo negative....
just comment and move on..... here i'll start...

those look sweet...

(next)

yes they do...

neeext....

some people on here have no idea. The stretch look is also helpful when lowering your car really low. JDmJim (i think thats his SN) has airride and stretched tires on Eurolines and it looks really good when slammed all the way. It also can be helpful on wider rims to not have the tread rub on the fender and causing a tear in the tread. Most of the time it is about looks but there are benefits. Even some race cars have a small stretch on them.

this is the stupidest thing i have ever seen. why would anyone want to waste 1000 bux on nice rims and tires, to get the wrong size, and ruin both sets. i am sorry i drive an xb cuz i am poor. it has good gas mileage and low monthly payment. what is up with goin through wheels in less that 5000 miles on it? and then your rims will all be scratched up too. like most others have posted in here..."and this is supposed to look good?" :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:

A. If thats the stupidest thing you've ever seen then I suggest you go out and experience the world!
B. If you can get a set of high quaility wheels & tires for 1000 then thats a good deal.
C.Where do you get the 5000 mile estimite on how long they are going to last? Last time I checked they weren't carved out of balsa wood.
D. I dont plan on scratching these and I have never scratched/curbed any of my wheels because....I know how to drive.
E. Yes :silly:

Lets stop flaming and personal attacks *that includes groups suchas tC owners* and get back on topic here of stretched tires before this is forced to be locked.

Personally I think stretch is cool in moderation, but then again I dont have the same opinions as a lot of people on this board here

sarcasmkillsme knows a lot about the stretching tires topic, hes done a lot of research on the topic, and has influenced me to want to run an even smaller tire on my 8.5" wheels in the front...just gotta burn these out first.... :P

Ok lets see...what can keep this topic ON topic?

MORE STRETCHED TIRES!!!!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1876320

Looks like the calvary has arrived..

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=190894

Are THESE stretched?

http://www.myallstarxb.com/images/myride_pix/my_ride_lg8.jpg

I'm just the oppisite from the guy's on the Celica web-site. personally think Celica's are garbage.........That's1st of all.....

2nd...know one said they where going to drift with there Scion just because there tire's are stretched....

3rd...I'd say 90% of Celica owner's car's look rice anyway's.............
They must have a pretty boring site to have to come on SL to get a topic going........But then again the Celica is a pretty boring looking car to me.........lol........

But like they said on there site.."I'm Not Hating".....lol....

Are THESE stretched?

http://www.myallstarxb.com/images/myride_pix/my_ride_lg8.jpg

you bet they are!

Does anyone else hear a baby crying? I'm hearing that a lot more often the more I post on this forum.

Whats the smallest stretched tire for a 15X8 rim? Isnt there lower profile tires than a 195/50/15?

Check vwvortex forums. I know a lot of people stretch 195/45 on 15x8, but I think they are imported tires from Europe. In Japan, I think they even have 185/45 and 175/45 for the Kei cars. On a Scion, I think 195/50-15 is the smallest you should go before the tires look too tiny...

Dude, tire, eat something.


Hahaha my thoughts exactly.

I'm not even going to read through this thread. When you do something stupid like stretch tires, you are not only making the road unsafe for you, you are making it unsafe for everyone. Tire manufacturers give a certain allowable rim width for tires because that is the width that they can assure the bead will stay on the rim. When you force the tire onto a rim that is too wide, you are making it incredibly easy for the tire bead to pop out because of speedbumps or other road imperfections; and making yourself a rolling hazard for anyone near you.


You want to stretch tire for car shows? Fine, if you think it's cool, show it. But driving with stretched tires exceeds tire manufacturer specifications, and makes the tire both dangerous, and your car will not comply with DOT regulations. Since tires have to pass through the US DOT, if they are used outside thier limits, they will no longer comply. Considering your tires are the only thing connecting your car to the road, they are really the most important thing to get right.


There are enough bad drivers out there, the LAST thing everyone needs is people sabotaging their own cars. It's dangerous people, regardless of how you think it looks, its dangerous. I'm not hating on the look either, I think in moderation it can look good, but the extreeme "stretched look" normally includes a gap between the inside of the lip of the wheel, and the tire bead, which is dangerous and stupid.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!!

okay this is getting OUT of hand. this is VERY close to being locked. i deleted some of your guys posts as they were TOTALLY out of order on this. i cleaned up a lot so far.

so keep it clean from now on. commense discussion and lay off the flaming!

scott

I'm just the oppisite from the guy's on the Celica web-site. personally think Celica's are garbage.........That's1st of all.....

2nd...know one said they where going to drift with there Scion just because there tire's are stretched....

3rd...I'd say 90% of Celica owner's car's look rice anyway's.............
They must have a pretty boring site to have to come on SL to get a topic going........But then again the Celica is a pretty boring looking car to me.........lol........

But like they said on there site.."I'm Not Hating".....lol....

My friend owns that site. It actually gets ALOT of traffic. The reason that thread was posted is because it was posted in Off Topic. Hard to explain, but Off Topic is where alot of former Celica owners still hang out (myself being one of them). Most of the posts in that forum are sarcastic and of the flaming type.

So whats garbage about a GTS Celica? A naturally aspirated gts will rape a TC any day of the week in drag or handling. So what do you not like about them?

I'm not even going to read through this thread. When you do something stupid like stretch tires, you are not only making the road unsafe for you, you are making it unsafe for everyone. Tire manufacturers give a certain allowable rim width for tires because that is the width that they can assure the bead will stay on the rim. When you force the tire onto a rim that is too wide, you are making it incredibly easy for the tire bead to pop out because of speedbumps or other road imperfections; and making yourself a rolling hazard for anyone near you.


You want to stretch tire for car shows? Fine, if you think it's cool, show it. But driving with stretched tires exceeds tire manufacturer specifications, and makes the tire both dangerous, and your car will not comply with DOT regulations. Since tires have to pass through the US DOT, if they are used outside thier limits, they will no longer comply. Considering your tires are the only thing connecting your car to the road, they are really the most important thing to get right.


There are enough bad drivers out there, the LAST thing everyone needs is people sabotaging their own cars. It's dangerous people, regardless of how you think it looks, its dangerous. I'm not hating on the look either, I think in moderation it can look good, but the extreeme "stretched look" normally includes a gap between the inside of the lip of the wheel, and the tire bead, which is dangerous and stupid.

Well, I'm sure all us 'stretched tire guys' really value your esteemed and allencompasing automobile opinion but....the thing is...we don't care. We all know about tires and sizes and such so we dont need a refresher course. Basically, until you do some actual research or maybe, I know this will sound crazy but, gain some 'hands on' experience with the subject, then dont patronize us. Really, do you think we haven't already heard all that stuff you wrote before? All that stuff about the tire poping or coming off the bead is just conjecture. Careful now, your inexperience and uneducated guesswork is showing. :doh:

I'm not even going to read through this thread. When you do something stupid like stretch tires, you are not only making the road unsafe for you, you are making it unsafe for everyone. Tire manufacturers give a certain allowable rim width for tires because that is the width that they can assure the bead will stay on the rim. When you force the tire onto a rim that is too wide, you are making it incredibly easy for the tire bead to pop out because of speedbumps or other road imperfections; and making yourself a rolling hazard for anyone near you.


You want to stretch tire for car shows? Fine, if you think it's cool, show it. But driving with stretched tires exceeds tire manufacturer specifications, and makes the tire both dangerous, and your car will not comply with DOT regulations. Since tires have to pass through the US DOT, if they are used outside thier limits, they will no longer comply. Considering your tires are the only thing connecting your car to the road, they are really the most important thing to get right.


There are enough bad drivers out there, the LAST thing everyone needs is people sabotaging their own cars. It's dangerous people, regardless of how you think it looks, its dangerous. I'm not hating on the look either, I think in moderation it can look good, but the extreeme "stretched look" normally includes a gap between the inside of the lip of the wheel, and the tire bead, which is dangerous and stupid.

Well, I'm sure all us 'stretched tire guys' really value your esteemed and allencompasing automobile opinion but....the thing is...we don't care. We all know about tires and sizes and such so we dont need a refresher course. Basically, until you do some actual research or maybe, I know this will sound crazy but, gain some 'hands on' experience with the subject, then dont partonize us. Really, do you think we haven't already heard all that stuff you wrote before? All that stuff about the tire poping or coming off the bead is just conjecture. Careful now, your inexperience and uneducated guesswork is showing. :doh:

Actually, it looks more like your ignorance, or disregard for the truth is showing. His post was probably one of the most well educated in this entire thread.

And next time, you might try a spell checker. It tends to keep a person trying to sound intelligent from looking like a fool.

why am i guessing RT has never owned a vehicle with stretched tires. i may be wrong, but thats just a guess.

just becaue he has a different view from you is no reason to go at him RT. his post summed up everything that has been said in the previous 2 pages and was kinda pointless IMHO. he even said hes not going to read the thread. that makes me think he is a little uneducated actually and inexpierenced. then again im a loser noob :loser:

sarcasm knows his stuff and has dealt with this. if you drive careful and not like a dumb booty then you wont have a problem at all.

to tell the truth, you want to know what I think it stupid?
putting BIG wheels on a scion without BBKs. thats endangering lives because that GREATLY cuts your stopping distance and could kill.

you want to know what else? lowering your car is dangerous. it makes it harder for bigger trucks to see you, causing more crashes, making it more dangerous for everyone.

lets not forget air freshners. those are the WORST. they block a your vision and cause you to hit things. theycan keep things from being seen.

everything is dangerous when you really look deep into it. stretched tires are no worse than anything i listed above. so get off your high horse if thats all your reasoning. just my .02 as a stupid kid who doesnt know anything.

whatever. this thread is just making me mad now.

scott

I'm not even going to read through this thread. When you do something stupid like stretch tires, you are not only making the road unsafe for you, you are making it unsafe for everyone. Tire manufacturers give a certain allowable rim width for tires because that is the width that they can assure the bead will stay on the rim. When you force the tire onto a rim that is too wide, you are making it incredibly easy for the tire bead to pop out because of speedbumps or other road imperfections; and making yourself a rolling hazard for anyone near you.


You want to stretch tire for car shows? Fine, if you think it's cool, show it. But driving with stretched tires exceeds tire manufacturer specifications, and makes the tire both dangerous, and your car will not comply with DOT regulations. Since tires have to pass through the US DOT, if they are used outside thier limits, they will no longer comply. Considering your tires are the only thing connecting your car to the road, they are really the most important thing to get right.


There are enough bad drivers out there, the LAST thing everyone needs is people sabotaging their own cars. It's dangerous people, regardless of how you think it looks, its dangerous. I'm not hating on the look either, I think in moderation it can look good, but the extreeme "stretched look" normally includes a gap between the inside of the lip of the wheel, and the tire bead, which is dangerous and stupid.

Well, I'm sure all us 'stretched tire guys' really value your esteemed and allencompasing automobile opinion but....the thing is...we don't care. We all know about tires and sizes and such so we dont need a refresher course. Basically, until you do some actual research or maybe, I know this will sound crazy but, gain some 'hands on' experience with the subject, then dont partonize us. Really, do you think we haven't already heard all that stuff you wrote before? All that stuff about the tire poping or coming off the bead is just conjecture. Careful now, your inexperience and uneducated guesswork is showing. :doh:

Actually, it looks more like your ignorance, or disregard for the truth is showing. His post was probably one of the most well educated in this entire thread.

And next time, you might try a spell checker. It tends to keep a person trying to sound intelligent from looking like a fool.

Oops, I spelled patronize wrong. A typo doesn't mean i'm not intelligent...It looks like you also have no experience with this subject. I know about how tire size recommendations work in the US. The thing is I have experience with stretched tires and I know many more people with experience with it. Go talk to some Veedubbers. If you talk to some of the guys that have been doing it for awhile(some have been doing it for 10 years in europe) they will tell you its not dangerous. What is dangerous, with stretched tires, is maybe say....autocrossing or driving aggressivly on the street. Under normal driving conditions it's perfectly ok (yes, that includes driving over speed bumps at normal speeds...who flys over them in a lowered car anyway?). Next? :yawn:

I have plenty of hands on experience... I do nothing but cars all the time. I have personally watched a stretched tire pop the bead (this was AFTER bead sealer too) going through a pothole. Luckely my friend remained in control enough to not cause an accident, but it was really close. So yeah, sarcasmkillsme, don't come in here talking about how I don't know anything. I know how to operate mounting/balencing equipment, I actually use them every once and a while at my friends shop, so that would also constitute as "hands on" experience I believe....

I already said I like the look to a degree, and have no problems with it in the show scene. But when you start putting other people's safety in jeopordy because you want to do the "in" thing, some people will get on you, so deal with it. You are not the only person on the road you know, and you shouldn't act like it is your priveledge to make your car unsafe when other people's safety is at stake. Honestly, I'm not trying to start anything, but I have seen the whole tire stretching thing almost go really bad...and don't think I need anyone telling me otherwise. I also believe the thread is called,"Are stretched tires good or bad you think?". I gave my opinion, sorry if it wasn't the one you wanted to hear.

just to clear it up, i didnt know what else to name it. this is the flaming split from a useful thread.

scott

wow, i still have no idea why this would happen, but after thinkiing about it i realized people are stretching their rubber to put something on their car that wasn't designed to fit.

they wanted to put on smaller, wider wheels, and by stretching the rubber, it would keep them from rubbing against the fenders... ummm its called your wheels won't fit your car! no matter how much you like them, go with a different set. either that or cut your fenders, flare them, or remove the inside material for extra room.

offroading, i had to buy different fender flares so i could run larger wheels on the jeep we have. that way they wouldn't rub the stocks, and there is no way in HELL that i would ever stretch the tires.
i blame the poor tuner kid who thought this idea up. you just know some civic driving pimple faced kid did this first!

* i do understand for drifting purposes, and other various racings, this would come in handy, but that is a closed circuit, sport, not daily driving, with a stock car.*

Correct me if I'm wrong...and I didn't read pages 2 & 3...but isn't doing this to tires illegal in states?

The guy who put on my clear bra has an old VW GTi with stretched wheels and had to have them do it in Europe and send it back because nobody will do them here...hence them being illegal.

Since you are exceeding the manufacturers specifications on the tire, and the tire has been DOT approved under those specified conditions; yes, it is illegal.

So, im confused now.
are the proponents of stretching saying that it is a style thing that is meant for the shows? that seems fine to me (not my style, but fine in the shows)
or are they advocating driving on the highway like this? 'cause although i havent researched it, it seems plainly obvious that driving outside of legaly defined safety specs is a bad idea, and i wouldn't want to drive next to someone doing it.

also, have any of the stretched tire folks had problems with the law?

Alot of the people on here are advocating it for show use, but also drive the vehicles on the road (thats what I'm getting from this thread at least). I wouldn't think you would get into trouble with the law unless you had lots of other questionable mods done to the car, and then I would suspect the officer would add it to the ticket. However, in an accident situation that tire stretching caused, you probably won't get any tolerance about it, as it is clearly a violation of the tire manufacturers specifications.

its not my style so i dontwant to hate but to each his own
and some of them do look kinda sick

WeeMan, buy looser pants.


:lalala:

Damn this topic is back up again :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Just to clear it up, It is Safe, Legal, Fun, Cool, Comforable.... I mean common guys what's with all negetive comments, I mean if you have never tried it how can you say it's not safe or its going to pop how many times your stretched tires have poped. I know everyone likes to keep the safety level up on streets but there is nothing wrong with stretching your tires. I have been doing this for the past 5 years and recently took it to next level to see how far I can go, and let me tell you, just taking your wheels to tire shop and ask them to put it on, wow their face worth $$$ so I have been installing my own tires for the past 2 years in my garage. last wheel setup took me 45 min to air up but its been holding air just fine and I have over 4k miles on them. According to legal laws as long as there is no spark mean your wheel sitting on ground its safe and legal but I'm not sure how long that law would stand for me, if I go with this rate .....


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/boxybox/toomuch.jpg



Have a nice day and keep your negetive comments to yourself it will never change peeoples mind who are going to stretch their tire, it just shows your personality, you could say yes or no as what topic wanted, but if you are going to start an argument you better have something to back it up, not just say I think, and I have seen.
peace :yawn:

All I can say is holy crap. I never realized how many ignorant people there were in the import scene or this site in particular.

In the case of style, I may hate something, but I let it go with, "to each their own." Stretched tires go beyond styling. These tires are being used outside of their specifications, plain and simple. They will not perform as they were designed to. And in extreme cases, and even some not so extreme, can be dangerous.

And no, I have never run stretched tires. But I don't have to stab myself in the neck with a knife to know that it isn't a good idea to stab myself in the neck with a knife. Why don't some of you stretched tire proponents email some of your tire manufacturers and tell them the specifications of your wheel and tire package. Ask them what they think about your configurations. Then post back with their response emails. I would love to hear what the true professionals have to say about tire stretching.

first off, i have a tC with a stretched fitment..

over 5k miles on my 'stretched' tires with no problems.. rims are still flawless and my tire wear is even. no noticable problems with handling/tire pressure/etc. i did it because the next size up wouldnt fit, not because i couldnt afford it. cmon the price difference is what.. 20 bux? i dont think anybody stretching their tires do it because they cant afford a wider size. its all looks and fitment..

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/tc562/DSCN0257.jpg

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a324/tc562/DSCN0245.jpg

some of you guys need to chill with the bashing. were all car enthusists here.. learn to respect other ppl's styles.


also, let me squash some of the stereotyping goin on in this post. im 19, with probly less than 30 posts but far from a 'noob'. ive had my tC since JUNE of 2004. long before most ppl even seen a tC on the street.. i pay for every cent of it, along with any mods i add to it. i'm about to hit 35k miles on it and know this baby like the back of my hand.

dont get me wrong.. ive also noticed lots of young and dumb tC owners on this site.. but for the record, im not one of them. :no:


hmmm interesting look,
it looks great IMO but im not sure about how safe they are at highway speeds. ive always own low profile tire and potholes are always my worse nightmare how well do stretched ones hold up when youve run over a pothole?

what size rims you have 20inch ????thats what it looks like? do you have a drop as well ??

All I can say is holy crap. I never realized how many ignorant people there were in the import scene or this site in particular.

In the case of style, I may hate something, but I let it go with, "to each their own." Stretched tires go beyond styling. These tires are being used outside of their specifications, plain and simple. They will not perform as they were designed to. And in extreme cases, and even some not so extreme, can be dangerous.

And no, I have never run stretched tires. But I don't have to stab myself in the neck with a knife to know that it isn't a good idea to stab myself in the neck with a knife. Why don't some of you stretched tire proponents email some of your tire manufacturers and tell them the specifications of your wheel and tire package. Ask them what they think about your configurations. Then post back with their response emails. I would love to hear what the true professionals have to say about tire stretching.

ask scion what they think of airride :rofl: :rofl: see their opinion on that!

stretching tires has nothing to do with ignorance, it has to do with what the owner thinks looks good. you have no backing on this subject since you have no expierence, plain and simple. in the words of sarcasm, "next?" :come:

as mybox and sarcasmkills me have said, all the people on here saying that stretched tires are gonna kill babies and eat them HAVE NEVER RUN THEM! stab in the neck...its been done before...guess what....YOU DIE...the loss of blood from most likely your jugular vein being punctured would take about 3 minutes to lose the ammount of blood to make you pass out from lack of blood and oxygen to your head, eventually dying in your passed out, non concience state... stretched tires, its been done...how many people WHO HAVE RUN STRETCHED TIRES...have ever had a tire just mirraculously blow up on them or just come off the wheel like an act of god? I've only been running stretched tires for a short time...no problems, haven't killed anybody...no tires shooting off my wheels on the interstate (and i am a spirited driver at corners at times)...nuff said!

next!!

I have plenty of hands on experience... I do nothing but cars all the time. I have personally watched a stretched tire pop the bead (this was AFTER bead sealer too) going through a pothole. Luckely my friend remained in control enough to not cause an accident, but it was really close. So yeah, sarcasmkillsme, don't come in here talking about how I don't know anything. I know how to operate mounting/balencing equipment, I actually use them every once and a while at my friends shop, so that would also constitute as "hands on" experience I believe....

I already said I like the look to a degree, and have no problems with it in the show scene. But when you start putting other people's safety in jeopordy because you want to do the "in" thing, some people will get on you, so deal with it. You are not the only person on the road you know, and you shouldn't act like it is your priveledge to make your car unsafe when other people's safety is at stake. Honestly, I'm not trying to start anything, but I have seen the whole tire stretching thing almost go really bad...and don't think I need anyone telling me otherwise. I also believe the thread is called,"Are stretched tires good or bad you think?". I gave my opinion, sorry if it wasn't the one you wanted to hear.

Well i guess i misjudged you...somewhat. Care to tell me the wheel/tire combo that came off the bead? How long were the tires on the wheel before they came off? Sounds like they were never seated properly. Stretching the tire onto the wheel isnt the problem, its getting it to seat properly. Did you use one of those cheetah things to get the tire on? I think extreme stretching might not be good for the street but as long as the tire is touching the bead of the wheel! :rofl: MyBox, you so crazy!

Granted, if what you say is true, that would be the first case I have ever heard of the tire coming off. Chalk one up. Now I cant write 'never' anymore. lol

I'm not even going to read through this thread. When you do something stupid like stretch tires, you are not only making the road unsafe for you, you are making it unsafe for everyone. Tire manufacturers give a certain allowable rim width for tires because that is the width that they can assure the bead will stay on the rim. When you force the tire onto a rim that is too wide, you are making it incredibly easy for the tire bead to pop out because of speedbumps or other road imperfections; and making yourself a rolling hazard for anyone near you.
Yeah, and the oh so popular $500 17" wheel & tire combo is sooo much safer. :roll:

I hope, for safety's sake, EVERYBODY'S car is bone stock. Those engineers who designed our cars spent a lot of money to go to school so they could become much smarter than us. And the cars that they design are engineered to specific specifications and if we tamper with those specific specifications, it can cause any modified vehicle to become a hazard to everyone on the road.

Examples:
Window tint-stupid and dangerous because it makes it harder for people to see out of the windows which could lead to an accident.
Loud stereos-stupid and dangerous becuase it makes it harder for people to hear horns ans sirens which could lead to an accident.
LED blinkers and tail lights-stupid and dangerous because their rapid blinking could send another driver into an epileptic seisure which could lead to an accident.
Body kits-stupid and dangerous because they hang lower than the sheet metal and could get caught on debris and ripped off, flying into traffic forcing other drivers to swerve and cause an accident.

Even the highly educated engineers come up with stupid ideas:
Windows that roll down-stupid and dangerous because if a vehicle rolls over people and/or their appendages could come out causing physical harm.

It even goes beyond those automotive engineers. Think about airplanes for a minute...if something on one of those things fails, it could fall out of the sky and land on your head, potentially causing death.

What I'm trying to say here is that everything has potential to be dangerous. People have blowouts for no apparent reason, with stock tires even. And stretched rubber has been around for decades (so, no, it wasn't "invented by some pimple faced kid in a civic" you retard).
If you're so concerend for your safety stay inside...or if you do go outside, stretch a rubber over your head to protect you from all the toxins and pollutants in the air, just make sure it covers your mouth and nose.

ANd if there are any mis-spellings in my post, it's because I'm about as sharp as a bowling ball.

I'm not even going to read through this thread. When you do something stupid like stretch tires, you are not only making the road unsafe for you, you are making it unsafe for everyone. Tire manufacturers give a certain allowable rim width for tires because that is the width that they can assure the bead will stay on the rim. When you force the tire onto a rim that is too wide, you are making it incredibly easy for the tire bead to pop out because of speedbumps or other road imperfections; and making yourself a rolling hazard for anyone near you.
Yeah, and the oh so popular $500 17" wheel & tire combo is sooo much safer. :roll:

I hope, for safety's sake, EVERYBODY'S car is bone stock. Those engineers who designed our cars spent a lot of money to go to school so they could become much smarter than us. And the cars that they design are engineered to specific specifications and if we tamper with those specific specifications, it can cause any modified vehicle to become a hazard to everyone on the road.

Examples:
Window tint-stupid and dangerous because it makes it harder for people to see out of the windows which could lead to an accident.
Loud stereos-stupid and dangerous becuase it makes it harder for people to hear horns ans sirens which could lead to an accident.
LED blinkers and tail lights-stupid and dangerous because their rapid blinking could send another driver into an epileptic seisure which could lead to an accident.
Body kits-stupid and dangerous because they hang lower than the sheet metal and could get caught on debris and ripped off, flying into traffic forcing other drivers to swerve and cause an accident.

Even the highly educated engineers come up with stupid ideas:
Windows that roll down-stupid and dangerous because if a vehicle rolls over people and/or their appendages could come out causing physical harm.

It even goes beyond those automotive engineers. Think about airplanes for a minute...if something on one of those things fails, it could fall out of the sky and land on your head, potentially causing death.

What I'm trying to say here is that everything has potential to be dangerous. People have blowouts for no apparent reason, with stock tires even. And stretched rubber has been around for decades (so, no, it wasn't "invented by some pimple faced kid in a civic" you retard).
If you're so concerend for your safety stay inside...or if you do go outside, stretch a rubber over your head to protect you from all the toxins and pollutants in the air, just make sure it covers your mouth and nose.

ANd if there are any mis-spellings in my post, it's because I'm about as sharp as a bowling ball.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

ask scion what they think of airride :rofl: :rofl: see their opinion on that!

Apples and oranges my friend. Anyone who installs a pneumatic suspension system on their car SHOULD know that they are running the risk of having to fight with Scion over warranty work. A smart consumer will know that they can still get any and all warranty items covered that aren't related to suspension.

Most people installing pneumatic suspension systems on their car also install them within the manufacturer's specifications. All of these guys that are stretching tires are installing them outside of the manufacturer's specifications.

stretching tires has nothing to do with ignorance, it has to do with what the owner thinks looks good. you have no backing on this subject since you have no expierence, plain and simple. in the words of sarcasm, "next?" :come:

You're right. The more I read what the "stretchers" have to say in this thread, the more I think it has little to do with ignorance, but everything to do with arrogance. And you are right in that I have no personal experience with stretched tires in the arena of personal use. But like I said before, I don't have to personally participate in something to know it isn't a good idea.

"Stretchers" are using a product outside of its specified range of application. They are doing so at their own risk, and opening themselves up to all of the problems that can ensue. Those problems range from uneven tire wear and poor tread life, to bad performance and tire failure. "Plain and Simple."

And as you and "Sarcasm" so eloquently put it... "Next..."

Really quick, is it possible for airbags to pop? I never seen it happen, but it is possible. I have air ride so I have grounds to speak of this. So what if your airride pops and you go out of control and you hurt somebody else..... Our cars aren't meant to have air ride. It wasn't designed that way from scion and toyota. :doh:

"Stretchers" are fully aware that they will have some tire wear and tread life compromised but they choose to do it anyway because they've done their research. Those things only happen to an extent depending on the situations and how extreme you take it.

all your doing now is :blah:
we don't care :nope:

An airbag that is properly installed and used is as reliable as a tire that is properly installed and used. An improperly installed or used airbag is as reliable as an improperly installed tire. I'll leave it at that. You guys have fun stretching your tires.

your still jumping around the question...once again...DOES ANYONE ON THIS SITE HAVE ANY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHERE A STRETCHED TIRE HAS JUST QUIT LIFE ON YOU??? Until anyone can answer that, please stop using this "its unreliable, you'll die, you'll kill other people, its not warrantied"...its useless space!

That is so stupid. I'm a member of OSHA and the NAPA safety Assoc. This is not something you should do. Couple reasons:

1. Its dangerous

2. Its ugy

3. Why?

4. Are you japenese or chinese?

5. Why are you racist?

Thank you.

BTW. ...Looks real good..........NOT. Thats possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen any new street racer do.

1. Its dangerous-NO

2. Its ugy-Your Ugly

3. Why?-Styling and for Fitment issues

4. Are you japenese or chinese?-Yes, Japanese.

5. Why are you racist?-No, R U? Does it matter I'm Japanese?

Thank you.

BTW. ... You sound really smart..........NOT. Your POST is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Scionlife :rofl:

do any tire manufacturers make tires specifically for this purpose? (i.e. the stretch is designed to be within use tolerance) because then the stretched tire people could attain this look without placing unnecessary liability on themselves.
I would think that if there is a market for something, then it will be made by somebody, unless there is a reason not to. (e.g. it is an intrinsically bad idea)

That is so stupid. I'm a member of OSHA and the NAPA safety Assoc. This is not something you should do. Couple reasons:

1. Its dangerous

2. Its ugy

3. Why?

4. Are you japenese or chinese?

5. Why are you racist?

Thank you.

BTW. ...Looks real good..........NOT. Thats possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen any new street racer do.

1. put your keys in your car

2. drive to big cliff

3. put in drive and slam the gas

4. don't get out of car

now thats dangerous, but really, you should try it sometime, world would be better without racists POS's like you! why does it matter chinese or japanese? what does that have to do with anything???

That is so stupid. I'm a member of OSHA and the NAPA safety Assoc

wow really!!?? cool!!! :yawn: still doesn't mean you know krap about cars

once again, please quit life

-Thank You

do any tire manufacturers make tires specifically for this purpose? (i.e. the stretch is designed to be within use tolerance) because then the stretched tire people could attain this look without placing unnecessary liability on themselves.
I would think that if there is a market for something, then it will be made by somebody, unless there is a reason not to. (e.g. it is an intrinsically bad idea)


I'm honestly not sure about your questiong, but thank you for an intellegent reply to this topic ;-) anyone know?

That is so stupid. I'm a member of OSHA and the NAPA safety Assoc. This is not something you should do. Couple reasons:

1. Its dangerous

2. Its ugy

3. Why?

4. Are you japenese or chinese?

5. Why are you racist?

Thank you.

BTW. ...Looks real good..........NOT. Thats possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen any new street racer do.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/mlsaint78/SMILEYS/pow.gif

NAPA? As in the auto parts store? The one where you can get just about anybody behind the counter to waste an hour and a half looking for sparkplugs for a diesel?
And you may be a member of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, but I don't think that makes you any more of an authority on automobiles.

As for it being ugly, looks are subjective you jackass.

WTF does anybody's heritage have anything to do with the subject? You sure are one ignorant SOB

Who here has made a racial comment other than you?

do any tire manufacturers make tires specifically for this purpose? (i.e. the stretch is designed to be within use tolerance) because then the stretched tire people could attain this look without placing unnecessary liability on themselves.
I would think that if there is a market for something, then it will be made by somebody, unless there is a reason not to. (e.g. it is an intrinsically bad idea)

The market for stretched tires is greater in Germany I beleive. I think that TOYO and some other brand tires (maybe Dunlop too) are TUV approved (generally considered to be of much higher standards than DOT) to stretch 1/2 inch beyond recommended specs. That's why if you buy wheel/tire combos from Tunershop.com, they send you stretched tires only 1/2 past recommended specs. For example, you can buy 16x9 wheels mounted on 215/40-16 tires....

Also, I think some model BMWs and Audis come with TUV approved stretched tires....

this is out of hand now.

locked.