Does anyone know if it is any better to place tweeters in the door rather than remove the stock ones in the dash and place them there. I am wondering if anyone has any information regarding which would sound better.

So Doors or Dash?

 

tweeters are more "directional"

they are better if they are angled towards your ears

so mounting them on the A Pillar is a great place

 

That is what I was thinking, what about if I went for say a 4" or so in the dash for highs. Do you think that would sound decent? Or should I just stick with some 6.5's in the door and place some tweeters in the pillars?

 

tstrel replaced the dash one with a 4 inch and he said it sounds ALOT better than the stock

so its up to you and your budget

take pics when you do an install

 

Ideally you want your tweeters mounted as far away from your ears as possible in order to minimize the path length difference from side to side. This happens because you're sitting much closer to one than the other (unless you drive a McLaren). This is the advantage of kickpanel mounted componenets.

Also, you want your tweeter mounted somewhat close to your mid to minimize the path length difference between the mid and the tweeter on each side. You dont want the mids and highs to sound like they're coming from different locations.

Let me know if thats too confusing and I'll try and explain it better.

 

how hard is it to do a DIY on replacing the tweekers? in that case...how about any of our stock speakers...is it hard? or do the new speakers just connect...?? (i'm not an audio expert as you can see...)

 

I understand the info completely, it was just the sort of answer I was looking for. Good to see some informative audio people on the board lurking around.

Thanks.

I always knew it was one of those things where you want the mids and highs close to each other, but i never actually knew why, so thanks for the explanation.

 

There are other "camps" on how to locate tweeters. There was a fad for a while of installing tweeters in the dash in opposite corners but facing the winshield so that the sound bounces off and sounds better, yada yada yada. I never actually tried it. Good luck with your install. I'll be starting mine soon too!

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Cheese

 

Yeah actually on the xB you can't go too far wrong leaving the tweeters hidden under the factory grills in the dash. Unles you are looking for the bling bling hey check out my tweeters thing.

Doing kick panels in an xB is sorta useless unless you never have passengers, as their legs are bound to muffle the entire event. Or just hangout with legless people as the case may be.

With the windshield being so upright and with the decent curve of it, just play with the angle of the tweeter under the factory grill, you should get pretty decent results in a small amount of time.

If you're going for full competition though we should talk about rebuilding your doors to handle what you'd need for competition.

 

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10579

 

I played around with the imaging enough with the speakers in their stock locations. My Pioneer 5.1 processor lets you play with the imaging in more ways than the fader and balance controls on most other decks. I'd absolutely love to get some fiberglass kick panels done in the same color as my sub enclosures, but I'd end up scratching them or my friends would dent them and I have no more room for an amp to push another set of components.

 

Stick with the kick panels, the equal path length is the only way to do it. the fequency that the tweeter reproduces is directional,it might reflect but not much, more than likely absorbed. I use to compete in Iasca and I saw many "camps" do all kinds of things with the tweets, The RTA tells the real story, equalize your path length and your ears will love it. BIll Turner

 

There are advantages and disadvantages of kick panels.. I have kick panels in my car and they are perfect for me.. I have no problems. But...if anyone knows Eric Holdaway from Speaker WOrks he is a lot bigger guy then me...When i had him listen to my system he had a hard time with it because of his legs...So yes kicks are good but not good for everyone in the xB.

Eric is currently doing a set up with CDTs...its a component set that is set up like a coaxial with what they call a image tweeter. Its a secondary tweeter that is attenuated i believe...Well he has the mid and tweet in the door and then the other tweet in the lower pillar firing across the windshield...That should bring the staging up. I cant wait for it to be done so I can listen to it.

 

Yeah this is true you would want your tweets close to your mids and also your headunit can help out too...like the new pioneer deh-p8600mp has a little mic so it'll adjust the speakers to you and alpine has time correction on most of their mid-high end units.

hope this helps,

 

Den, the Holdaways of speaker works fame, they are advocating the compression driver anymore? I had a set of those , with the eight inch midbases they were awesoe, pricey but awesome. thats interesting keep us informed on that. Bill

 

Yes..they still have wave guides and their USD subs...

They are still doing a ton of business... Good to see fellow veterans still in the game...Ill keep you updated.

They have another Grand National, but its all rusted out or just appears that way.

 

RTA and what sounds good for everyday are 2 different things.
imaging is everything when hooked up to a mic (along with equalization..

that being said. speakers in the dash is a big no no when going for image..
Also door speakers really don't do justice either IMO.

I've alwasy ran kicks with a good set of comps. (lots of power)
and in one vehicle had mid bass in the doors..


The others, I'd run coax's in the doors, for more sound (everyday use). and just turned them off durring comps.
kicks done the right way is all you need.

someone said 5.1? what are you using for center stage? highs mounted to the back of the rear view mirror sounded pretty cool.. using that clarion 5.1 dsp.
it was kinda bright cuz the center sound bouced off the windsheild..

Haven't had any experience with the box yet, as anyone will tell you each car is different.