From the standard specs, I do not see side air bags. Will this be an accessory item?

Thanks.

Kevin

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10838

Option. I'ts towards the bottom. $650

Edit: got the price wrong

I will never understand how "safety" can be an option on a car.

I will never understand how "safety" can be an option on a car.

i wont either...

I will never understand how "safety" can be an option on a car.

Is it safe to assume then that you went with the side airbags on your Scion?

i can safely assume that some of the idiot drivers up here don't consider safety to be an option... it's not available.

i thgouth it only available for the xA? remember when i get mine, they dont have this option...

How long have you been driving?

How many cars did you drive are equipted with side air bags?

How many cars did you drive with NO air bags at all?

How many years did you drive without air bags?

How much does the tC cost (16.5K for manual, 17K plus with side air bag)

Price is one of those features that sets the tC apart... By making things like side air bags an option, Scion keeps the price as a factor... Not too many people will be missing much without it since most are acustomed to no side air bag driving already...

$650 would be nothing to pay if you KNOW you're going to need the air bag, but once again... You might as well buy a fire proof vest and a racing helmet while you're at it if you're that safety concious...

The call is yours, but I'm sure I can do without side air bags....

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10838

Option. I'ts towards the bottom. $650

Edit: got the price wrong

Thanks for message. I did not see on original post. Think this "option" is really a necessity. Still keeps the car well under $20,000.

Kevin

How long have you been driving?

How many cars did you drive are equipted with side air bags?

How many cars did you drive with NO air bags at all?

How many years did you drive without air bags?

How much does the tC cost (16.5K for manual, 17K plus with side air bag)

Price is one of those features that sets the tC apart... By making things like side air bags an option, Scion keeps the price as a factor... Not too many people will be missing much without it since most are acustomed to no side air bag driving already...

$650 would be nothing to pay if you KNOW you're going to need the air bag, but once again... You might as well buy a fire proof vest and a racing helmet while you're at it if you're that safety concious...

The call is yours, but I'm sure I can do without side air bags....

Using your inane logic, there is absolutely no need for seatbelts or crumple zones or ABS. Because if this were a perfect world, everyone would drive responsibly and there would be no wrecks. :roll:

___. Do you know that almost half of all 2-car accidents involving death are side-impacts? Side airbags save lives. Don't chastise people because they want extra protection. I personally love the fact that side curatins are an option (well, I'd prefer that they were standard, but price is so low I'm not going to complain). Nobody buys a safe car with 6 airbags because they're intending to crash someday. The fact is there is a growing number of irresponsible, unskilled drivers out there, especially teenagers and old people, and it's not unwise to have protection.

I want a safe car because I'd appreciate the extra security if a man falls asleep on the highway, crosses the median and frags my car or if some gum-smacking teen on her celly runs a red light and smashes into my front passenger.

Do you see where I'm going with this? I am a HUGE proponent of car safety. I routinely scour the website's of the IIHS, NHTSA, EURONCAP, and Japan's NASVA. I am very much intrigued by car crashes and how cars function in an accident. Your line of thought is troubling. One can't ignore the crisis we face on our roads. We lose more people on the roads in a single holiday weekend than soldiers lost so far in Iraq, God rest their souls.

KAuss

There was a point in history where cars didn't have to have seatbelts. There was a point when cars didn't have to have front airbags (let alone passanger ones). I see no reason that side air bags are not put into all cars by law at this point too. It seems silly to me that you have to buy a safer car then what comes stock. :?

EDIT: Just so you know I have been driving for over 10 years. I am on my 3rd car too. What's your point in asking me that?

The point is, that the first seat belts probably killed more people than save... Same thing with the first front air bags...

Now you take that prespective into the new side air bags which aren't really perfected as I would say since it's still an optional part... I'll wait till it becomes standard and I'll wait till it becomes a part of the car's price before I get it... I've only been driving for about 4 years, I onlly had a car with air bags for about 6 months before I totaled it, even then I walked out with a scratch without the need of an air bag I would of been ok...

I'm not telling anyone to NOT buy it because of what I say... I'm just saying that I've had a relatively safe driving experience without it and I don't see enough road test benifits from it yet to get it for myself...

Side air bags would also complicate installing things into the doors I think since there would be more wiring / stuff to dodge...

As for cars before seatbelts... There weren't as many cars on the road and they were not going as fast back then... To those standards of the past, it was not too bad as it would be now to drive without seat belts..

Once again.. For those that are concerned, do get it please by all means... Just that for me I can do without another set of air bags...

P.S. CofCtC, I can accept everyone's views if they don't se things my way, but by calling me an ___ and not even know me in person... That's just uncalled for... I never said ANYTHING about anyone to NOT buy the option if it was on them, but for me, driving 100% local stop signs in metropolitan traffic, having a car that only goes 3K / year... I can do without the side air bags...

Right now, I'm driving a 90 Integra LS... I don't even have power windows not to mention air bags...

I guess by everyone's standard I should crush the car and not drive anything or wear a sumo suit to cross the street...

Now I :roll: to that...

No one is saying you shouldn't drive you old car. What we are saying is that new cars should have standard all the new safety options. It's about moving forward with new technology in safety.

When it becomes standard... I made sure I stated that in my 2nd post just to reiterrate... It's still too new and everyone knows that air bag timing can go from save lifes to take lives....

hahaha this was a funny one.....dude nobody wants to listen to whining and preaching.....and what does iraq have to do with any of this? hahaha....this is a forum. everybody has an opinion.......if you dont like it dont read it......but dont sit here and complain about someones point of view.

hahaha this was a funny one.....dude nobody wants to listen to whining and preaching.....and what does iraq have to do with any of this? hahaha....this is a forum. everybody has an opinion.......if you dont like it dont read it......but dont sit here and complain about someones point of view.

You should post a pic so we can see if you look as dumb as you sound. "What does iraq have to do with any of this?". hmmm, lets see....DID YOU READ IT? A 4 year old could see the comparision. People are alreays _____ing about one more lost in the war, and how we need to do something about it now to prevent lives, yet a far more deadly problem faces us every day and it gets little if any attention from the general public. Don't even think about replying to this, becuase this is my opinion........if you don't like it don't read it.....so don't site there and complain about it. I'd hate to see you be a hypocrite as well. :wink:


PS - Your sig is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You're not supposed to race Hondas in the first place. 2nd, you can't beat all hondas without pouring thousands into the tC. For half the price, you can go buy a used f-body and win by BUSLENGTHS. 3rd, well...you're just pathetic. Sorry.

daym... flaming eachother on this board already? that's crazy...

screw the side airbags id rather spend the 650 on a hot weekend in vegas :twisted:

Your welcome Kevin.

Side bags should be standard.

Tiberian, I do agree road accidents are a problem... But is that number greater than Iraq's deaths because of the loss of a side air bag? Or is it due by novice drivers or drunk drivers, bad road conditions, people not paying attention to their tire pressure, people driving while talking on cell phones, people driving half asleep, people street racing...

Hm... If you put all that together, you can assume the side air bags can prevent some deaths, but we can't prove that they'll die without them if they lived...

However, there were incidents where improper air bag timing actually killed people and this is proven through cause of death...

http://www.detnews.com/2003/autosinsider/0311/14/autosinsider-324489.htm

Don't think every piece of equiptment is safe just because they advertise it to be... Seat belts if worn improperly can slice you literally in HALF... Seriously... They CAN cut you literally in half...

All I'm saying is that, I rather go with the proven front air bags which IS a standard now and pass on the side air bag which might prove to need a bit more road test...

for all those that don't trust me, just read the link...

As for flaming, tCJunkie, I know you can voice your thought out better than that, and I know CofCtC didn't meant to do it on purpose... They're good people, but heck words fly out so lets just cool the tone guys...

sometimes, i dont trust air bags. like kauss said, the air bag timing can be bad and off. some of my cousins and their parents have gotting in accidents and some have rolled their car or suv. none of the cars in the accident have ever had their airbags go off. my cousin was rearended at a stop and was hit by a car going 60. the air bags didnt go off. he was in the hospital for neck injury. i just hope i dont get in an accident. and if i do get in a pretty bad accident, i hope the bags go off.

this is amusing....okay ill just "site" here and not respond..... dude do you think joining the armed forces is a vacation.....hi we are in the business of killing. i still see no point in bringing it up. people die....it happens....you see there is a difference between responding to posts to give an opinion and feeling the need to berate people in your response....but i suppose thats the only way you feel you can get your point across....relax pal...its not that serious

oh and as far as the beating hondas......you obviously know nothing about cars

Hello hypocrite. I knew you would cave. There's isn't much point in you calling attention to a simple typo I made, when your posts are strewn with grammatical inaccuracies. ill = I'll, i = I, no punctuation, etc. Doesn't that seem silly?

To answer your questions, I don't think joining the armed forces is a vacation. I was merely explaining it since you seemed to have no understanding of the comparison without further detail. I would love to see you continue on about why I know nothing about cars. Is it because all hondas run 12's? Maybe they're are just dyno queens, or aren't street legal? What part gave away my stupidity? I mean, there must be something I'm missing, right? What on earth would possibly seem incorrect about someone thinking his tC will beat every single car a company makes? Hmmmmm....

the fact here is that it costs more money to have the side air bags, if it was standard the costs would be higher.
Iraq.
I just thought I would throw that in there.
I've been in 4 accidents none of them the airbags have deployed.

*tosses a log on the fire*

The more side bags are produced the cheaper they become to produce.

Air bags not deploying is normal... If made correctly, they should deploy in a front end accident... The reason being is because the people in the car can be tossed around in another accident which would not need an air bag in the front position... (Like a T-Bone which would need side air bags)

Just a little thing about the old air bags... The force of the bag deploying can snap your neck and kill you with wrong timming... This is why I'm shaky about them but since fronts are madatory now, I can live with it because being mandatory means they must have put enough effort in tests and trust into the product...

I had both front air bags deploy in my WRX... It was a mad accident in which I am lucky to be alive in but ironically I walked away with a 1" scrape to my hip from the seatbelt...

You people want justification for side-impact SRS? Check this:

http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/summary_midinexp.htm

In these tests the side airbag made the difference between life and death. The people in the Camry with side-impact SRS would have been out-patients. The people in the Camry without the side-impact SRS would have been out of luck and six feet under.

And those silly, leftist reports of seatbelts and airbags killing people are grossly exaggerated. For every one person who dies because of a seatbelt or airbag, hundreds or even thousands more are saved by them.

The media isn't left or right. There are only 2 factors that govern the media. To report what sells so that they make more money selling ads. And, not to report anything that compromises their conglomerate owners.