Putting HIDs in your tC's OEM Headlights?
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Putting HIDs in your tC's OEM Headlights?
Hey guys,
One of my customers told me he read somewhere that on tC's you need to "retrofit" something to install HIDs. I Know he could be talking about the Projector - but if you look at Lexus, Toyota, Escalade, Acura... you'll see that you don't really need a projector. I realize that those cars use D2R, not D2S, but I'm talking in terms of being pulled over... police don't know the difference between the two capsules.
Now - I know that for the BMW's there's a special H7 Socket that you have to drill into, but I don't think this is the case for Scions.
If I am correct, you should be able to just put an HID conversion kit (like the one we offer for $260) into your headlights, and be all set.
So, I would like some pictures or input from people who have done this.
Does anyone have a picture of how the halogen bulbs hook up in Scions?
Anyone have experience with this?
Thanks guys!
JL
One of my customers told me he read somewhere that on tC's you need to "retrofit" something to install HIDs. I Know he could be talking about the Projector - but if you look at Lexus, Toyota, Escalade, Acura... you'll see that you don't really need a projector. I realize that those cars use D2R, not D2S, but I'm talking in terms of being pulled over... police don't know the difference between the two capsules.
Now - I know that for the BMW's there's a special H7 Socket that you have to drill into, but I don't think this is the case for Scions.
If I am correct, you should be able to just put an HID conversion kit (like the one we offer for $260) into your headlights, and be all set.
So, I would like some pictures or input from people who have done this.
Does anyone have a picture of how the halogen bulbs hook up in Scions?
Anyone have experience with this?
Thanks guys!
JL
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on those car's the housings are made for hid's, so there is no Glare
The TC is not made with the right housing's for hid's
Sure u can plug n play any kit into a TC, but itihnk it looks Ghetto and Cheap
im doing a retro on my car, i will have pics up by wed, and ill post them..
The TC is not made with the right housing's for hid's
Sure u can plug n play any kit into a TC, but itihnk it looks Ghetto and Cheap
im doing a retro on my car, i will have pics up by wed, and ill post them..
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Also u will need a 9006 wire harness or u can fry the wire's
plugging any cheap kit into the TC will just
cause more problems down the road, the stock wires can not handle the start up pull from ANY HID kit, and thats for both, Retro's and plug n play kit's
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plugging any cheap kit into the TC will just
cause more problems down the road, the stock wires can not handle the start up pull from ANY HID kit, and thats for both, Retro's and plug n play kit's : )
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Well i got mine for like 450, from Hidplanet.com
i went with the Valeo's Because they have the most color..
THe Bosch one's From hidplanet.com have more of a wider beam pattern, but not that UV color to them..
it depedns on what yur looking for...
The entire thing cost me 1400 bucks, LAbor, part's, Service, more labor and i went with a 5000k bulb..
instead of a 4100k, Because i wanted to skip the color shift..
Hidplanet.com is great, Awesome forums to...
i went with the Valeo's Because they have the most color..
THe Bosch one's From hidplanet.com have more of a wider beam pattern, but not that UV color to them..
it depedns on what yur looking for...
The entire thing cost me 1400 bucks, LAbor, part's, Service, more labor and i went with a 5000k bulb..
instead of a 4100k, Because i wanted to skip the color shift..
Hidplanet.com is great, Awesome forums to...
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jason,
I am aware that the housings are not made for HIDs, but I am saying for those who do not want to do the retro it may be a viable solution if they tilt the headlights down.
I was not aware that the wires in Scions can't handle the pull from HIDs... You're right - the only problem would be startup. After that, our HID kits are 35W (20W less power draw than your OEM bulbs)... Still, I highly doubt there will be problems. Car manufacturers usually put in a low enough guage so that there is NO chance of problems...
How do you go about solving this? The 9006 Harness runs direct to the car's battery and is activated by a relay?
Also, our HID kit is $260
Thanks!
J
I am aware that the housings are not made for HIDs, but I am saying for those who do not want to do the retro it may be a viable solution if they tilt the headlights down.
I was not aware that the wires in Scions can't handle the pull from HIDs... You're right - the only problem would be startup. After that, our HID kits are 35W (20W less power draw than your OEM bulbs)... Still, I highly doubt there will be problems. Car manufacturers usually put in a low enough guage so that there is NO chance of problems...
How do you go about solving this? The 9006 Harness runs direct to the car's battery and is activated by a relay?
Also, our HID kit is $260
Thanks!
J
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quoted from hidplanet.com:
Originally Posted by JDMLyfestyles
I really hope this thread can help you guys. Ur making the road more dangerous than it already is by adding a HID kit to your car. so please do HID the right way by doing a retrofit.
HID kits are illegal due to the glare that they cause. Glare is Light that is emitted in a Uncontrollable path. When light is traveling in a uncontrollable path it can hit other vehicle operators affecting there vision because of the High amount of uncontrollable light that is being Emitted from a HID kit in a standard Halogen housing. If you have ever turned a flashlight on right in front of your face while it is dark out, that is the same feeling that the other drivers on the road experience from a standard HID kit.
OEM Vehicles such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus are all equipped with HID or Xenon Headlights. Some use reflector housing’s without projectors. Others use HID projectors.
The Lexus IS300 is a Prime Example of a HID reflector housing. It does not use a Projector. It uses a Specially designed Reflector housing that is meant to use HID. This does not create the Super sharp cutoff. But it does control where the light is being Emitted.
Other vehicles such as the Honda S2000 Use HID projectors, These Projectors are meant to use HID. They are Specially Designed and have been tested Hundreds of times to get the right projection of light while maintaining a Good Cutoff.
Here are pictures of Halogen housings mated with a HID kit
9006 6000k HID Kit... mad glare
This teg is a prime example of Glare. This is what it looks like to oncoming traffic
Disaster pix. HID kit in Halogen Housing
NOW THE GOOD poop..lol
This is what HID is suppose to look like.. Pictured is a STi
Talk about a Razor Sharp Cutoff. Pictured is a S2000 OEM setup
another S2000 Retrofit… YUMMY
Article stating why the kits are illegal.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html
Comparison.. Pictured is a Acura TL-S with HID from the factory vs H4 6000K civic
See the difference?
Its not just honda's either. Here is a mid 90's Lexus with a HID kit..
To date, NHTSA has investigated 24 HID conversion kit suppliers; all investigations have resulted in recalls or termination of sales.
RM Racing
Astex USA
Kmax International
FET, Inc.
J. Liu LLC
Gourmet Garage
JC Whitney
Lighting Research
SPW Industries, Inc.
Pacific Micro-lite
McCulloch Motors, Inc.
Santeca Electronics
JF Manufacturing
Streetglow, Inc.
Outback Products, Inc.
Nu Performance
GR Motorsports, Inc.
Global Premier
New Clor
Importhookup.com
DG International
MTC Lighting
Umnitza
Liteglow
American Products Company
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HID kits are illegal due to the glare that they cause. Glare is Light that is emitted in a Uncontrollable path. When light is traveling in a uncontrollable path it can hit other vehicle operators affecting there vision because of the High amount of uncontrollable light that is being Emitted from a HID kit in a standard Halogen housing. If you have ever turned a flashlight on right in front of your face while it is dark out, that is the same feeling that the other drivers on the road experience from a standard HID kit.
OEM Vehicles such as Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus are all equipped with HID or Xenon Headlights. Some use reflector housing’s without projectors. Others use HID projectors.
The Lexus IS300 is a Prime Example of a HID reflector housing. It does not use a Projector. It uses a Specially designed Reflector housing that is meant to use HID. This does not create the Super sharp cutoff. But it does control where the light is being Emitted.
Other vehicles such as the Honda S2000 Use HID projectors, These Projectors are meant to use HID. They are Specially Designed and have been tested Hundreds of times to get the right projection of light while maintaining a Good Cutoff.
Here are pictures of Halogen housings mated with a HID kit
9006 6000k HID Kit... mad glare
This teg is a prime example of Glare. This is what it looks like to oncoming traffic
Disaster pix. HID kit in Halogen Housing
NOW THE GOOD poop..lol
This is what HID is suppose to look like.. Pictured is a STi
Talk about a Razor Sharp Cutoff. Pictured is a S2000 OEM setup
another S2000 Retrofit… YUMMY
Article stating why the kits are illegal.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/rulings/glare.html
Comparison.. Pictured is a Acura TL-S with HID from the factory vs H4 6000K civic
See the difference?
Its not just honda's either. Here is a mid 90's Lexus with a HID kit..
To date, NHTSA has investigated 24 HID conversion kit suppliers; all investigations have resulted in recalls or termination of sales.
RM Racing
Astex USA
Kmax International
FET, Inc.
J. Liu LLC
Gourmet Garage
JC Whitney
Lighting Research
SPW Industries, Inc.
Pacific Micro-lite
McCulloch Motors, Inc.
Santeca Electronics
JF Manufacturing
Streetglow, Inc.
Outback Products, Inc.
Nu Performance
GR Motorsports, Inc.
Global Premier
New Clor
Importhookup.com
DG International
MTC Lighting
Umnitza
Liteglow
American Products Company
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Originally Posted by Jlevi
I was not aware that the wires in Scions can't handle the pull from HIDs... You're right - the only problem would be startup. After that, our HID kits are 35W (20W less power draw than your OEM bulbs)... Still, I highly doubt there will be problems. Car manufacturers usually put in a low enough guage so that there is NO chance of problems...
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Originally Posted by maximus96
Originally Posted by Jlevi
I was not aware that the wires in Scions can't handle the pull from HIDs... You're right - the only problem would be startup. After that, our HID kits are 35W (20W less power draw than your OEM bulbs)... Still, I highly doubt there will be problems. Car manufacturers usually put in a low enough guage so that there is NO chance of problems...
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Seriously those ricers with the HID kits are annoying. I see them coming down the opposite side of the road, I think they have their high beams on! I flash my highs and they flash back... Basically, glare city.
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Originally Posted by Jlevi
Definately some good info. I guess this rules out the idea - we'll just have to find some Scion tC projectors 
JL
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I have a problem with calling retrofits the "right" way to do HID. Retrofits are not factory, not DOT approved, and therefore not legal. Hence this blurb on the bottom of HIDplanet:
They might not produce the annoying glare HID kits do, but modifying the factory parts like that is still illegal. The only "right" way to do it is to buy a car that comes with HID from the manufacturer.
All products are intended for OE replacement only
Customers who enter and purchase from the website
agree to these conditions and understand that products
are only for OEM replacement and are not intended
or allowed for use on public highways
Customers who enter and purchase from the website
agree to these conditions and understand that products
are only for OEM replacement and are not intended
or allowed for use on public highways
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yes, any modification to the headlights is illegal. but when you retrofit projectors, you dont' put yourself and surrounding drivers in danger when you drive at night. infact, the added light output on the ground will improve night vision and improve night time driving safety.
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Originally Posted by maximus96
yes, any modification to the headlights is illegal. but when you retrofit projectors, you dont' put yourself and surrounding drivers in danger when you drive at night. infact, the added light output on the ground will improve night vision and improve night time driving safety.
I've seen HID retrofits in person that put out excellent light and would be undetectable as nonfactory setups to most everyone except car enthusiasts with knowledge in the area. As much as I'd like HID on my current vehicle, I still find it hard to spend so much on a one-off retrofit. I plan to make sure my next vehicle has it equipped from the factory.