i was just wondering what do u guys thing since am making a final decision
eighter a supercharger or the turbo , if any 1 has 1 of those 2 on the car already how mutch boost is it pushing or how mutch do u think they will give u plz get back?? :pray: :pray:

This seems to be the big question lately... It has me thinking twice myself...

TRD Supercharger: $2900 + labor
ZPI Stage 0 Turbo: $2800 + labor

Both pretty close... Stage 0 will make about 40whp more power than the supercharger.

Pulley kit, injector, air/fuel management will boost the TRD supercharger up to match the Stage 0 in peak power.

ZPI Stage 0 to Stage 1 upgrade to get intercooler, injector, emanage, boost increase... Not sure how much that will run.. but that will be a good 40-60whp increase in power.

ZPI stage 1 or 2. Go for it.

Cya

t u r b o

If I were to get one now I would choose the Supercharger for warranty. If I were to get turbo I would wait until the warranty runs out.

S/C if you want you want your warranty....

TURBO if you get sick and tired of "ricers" laughing at you

S/C if you want you want your warranty....

TURBO if you get sick and tired of "ricers" laughing at you
You obviously have never rode in a car with the TRD supercharger. All the ricers see is my taillights and my 4GETHNDA license plates. I say go with the supercharger you will not be sorry.

S/C if you want you want your warranty....

TURBO if you get sick and tired of "ricers" laughing at you
You obviously have never rode in a car with the TRD supercharger. All the ricers see is my taillights and my 4GETHNDA license plates. I say go with the supercharger you will not be sorry.

Ahem....do some research.....

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91567

:loser: :P

S/C if you want you want your warranty....

TURBO if you get sick and tired of "ricers" laughing at you
You obviously have never rode in a car with the TRD supercharger. All the ricers see is my taillights and my 4GETHNDA license plates. I say go with the supercharger you will not be sorry.

Ahem....do some research.....

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91567

:loser: :P
:loser: Ok so you drove a stock trd supercharged car woopty doo and you told the guy to with the turbo for the rice effect of saying I have a turbo with a bov lol. I will smoke any stage 0 kit out there right now hands down :P. I'm waiting for someone with a stage 0 turbo kit that will take me up on my race offer so I can finally put this debate to rest. If you want a turbo go with it but ill never give up my supercharger. :)

I'm not bagging jimminie christmas! i wouldn't give up the S/C either......

to each their own!

noice tC by the way :)

S/C if you want you want your warranty....

TURBO if you get sick and tired of "ricers" laughing at you
You obviously have never rode in a car with the TRD supercharger. All the ricers see is my taillights and my 4GETHNDA license plates. I say go with the supercharger you will not be sorry.

Ahem....do some research.....

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=91567

:loser: :P
:loser: Ok so you drove a stock trd supercharged car woopty doo and you told the guy to with the turbo for the rice effect of saying I have a turbo with a bov lol. I will smoke any stage 0 kit out there right now hands down :P. I'm waiting for someone with a stage 0 turbo kit that will take me up on my race offer so I can finally put this debate to rest. If you want a turbo go with it but ill never give up my supercharger. :)

ZPI Stage 1, end of conversation as far as your arguement with trd s/c vs. turbo.

I'm glad you like the trd s/c, but i wouldn't waste my money on it. Its weak. And if you modify it than you loose what you wanted, a warranty. Besides, if its tuned correctly and you know you did everything right, or know the person(s) that worked on your car did it perfectly, then you have nothing to worry about.
Cya

Or of course he wanted a supercharger because he didn't want a turbocharger.. there's always that too..

but wont righter one of those void the warrenty?????

Turbo's are better for 4 cylinders because of how they produce the horsepower they are more efficent and it is a much better price Thanks the supercharger (IMO)
Turbonetics stage II all the way if you dont mind dropping 5.3g's

ZPI Stage 1, end of conversation as far as your arguement with trd s/c vs. turbo.

I'm glad you like the trd s/c, but i wouldn't waste my money on it. Its weak. And if you modify it than you loose what you wanted, a warranty. Besides, if its tuned correctly and you know you did everything right, or know the person(s) that worked on your car did it perfectly, then you have nothing to worry about.
Cya

I don't care about a warranty that's not why I brought the supercharger sorry bro. I brought it because I wanted it. I also do my own work on my car. I don't need other people doing anything to my car. I've been in this high performance game for far too long. My car is a monster right now and it will only get better as I get more parts from my supplier. Like I said before if you want the turbo get it, but I will never put a turbo kit anywhere near my car. Superchargers rule when they see 10psi and better :bow:

ZPI Stage 1, end of conversation as far as your arguement with trd s/c vs. turbo.

I'm glad you like the trd s/c, but i wouldn't waste my money on it. Its weak. And if you modify it than you loose what you wanted, a warranty. Besides, if its tuned correctly and you know you did everything right, or know the person(s) that worked on your car did it perfectly, then you have nothing to worry about.
Cya

I don't care about a warranty that's not why I brought the supercharger sorry bro. I brought it because I wanted it. I also do my own work on my car. I don't need other people doing anything to my car. I've been in this high performance game for far too long. My car is a monster right now and it will only get better as I get more parts from my supplier. Like I said before if you want the turbo get it, but I will never put a turbo kit anywhere near my car. Superchargers rule when they see 10psi and better :bow:

As far as i know, you can get the ZPI kit without having them install it. People tend to go up there since they can get it installed faster vs. waiting in line. I'm not saying superchargers aren't great, i might be s/c'ing my box. But, when you want big numbers, turbos are going to be more effient and easier on the motor/tranny vs. superchargers. Which is why people tend to go turbo vs. super.

Cya

i was just wondering what do u guys thing since am making a final decision
eighter a supercharger or the turbo , if any 1 has 1 of those 2 on the car already how mutch boost is it pushing or how mutch do u think they will give u plz get back?? :pray: :pray:

The supercharger runs at 7 lbs. of boost, a supercharger can go past that pretty easily. the whole purpose of the supercharger is that it is under warranty and adds no real additional stress to the motor. Also a supercharger stops delivering power at the higher rpms while a turbo can just keep spooling, a turbo however, has lag time, but after the lag it takes off. and if you get a good turbo, the turbo should have a warranty, i think the ZPI racing turbo has a 5 year warranty on the turbo internals and what not, i think i would go with a turbo just because of the potential they have.

This is a great topic to debate, honestly i think it all comes down to preference. S/C or turbo, everyone has a different mindset for either of these.

Personally, I would go with a turbo, not because of the obviouse power gains (but is a major factor), but becuase of the wicked sound these things give off when spooling up. Tuned correctly, a turbo could spool up fast as hell.

turbo stage 1.. hands down..
i'd love to race your super tho munch, and see where everything stands.. im coming to NY this weekend, maybe we could meet somewhere and get her done..

turbo stage 1.. hands down..
i'd love to race your super tho munch, and see where everything stands.. im coming to NY this weekend, maybe we could meet somewhere and get her done..

Guys....THAT would be a video that shuts down bandwidth for whoever hosts. :rofl:

The supercharger runs at 7 lbs. of boost, a supercharger can go past that pretty easily. the whole purpose of the supercharger is that it is under warranty and adds no real additional stress to the motor. Also a supercharger stops delivering power at the higher rpms while a turbo can just keep spooling, a turbo however, has lag time, but after the lag it takes off. and if you get a good turbo, the turbo should have a warranty, i think the ZPI racing turbo has a 5 year warranty on the turbo internals and what not, i think i would go with a turbo just because of the potential they have.

Adding a supercharger does in fact add a new stress to the motor. Aside from the excess air and the high temperature the engine will probably be running at, it is also another accessory for the accessory pulley to pull. Although, the amount of stress due to the supercharger on the engine from the pulley would amount to the amount of stress from running an extra airconditioning core.

Also, a turbo will reach max efficiency while a supercharger can make boost all the way up until redline. This is only if we're talking about the supercharger that is the TRD supercharger. After a while, the turbo will stop being able to make boost because the turbine will be spinning too fast possibly causing damage and excess heat and overall bad things. This is when the waste gate opens and a lot of potential boost is released either to the atmosphere or back into the exhaust stream. A supercharger like the Vortec we have doesn't need a waste gate (at least not yet) as it can handle easily up to 20 psi. A 16G in the stage 0 from ZPI however, probably won't be able to do 20 psi. And as the supercharger is capable of 20 psi, you're right, it can get a lot faster than stock.

I apologize for the nit-picking. It's a habit :(

turbo stage 1.. hands down..
i'd love to race your super tho munch, and see where everything stands.. im coming to NY this weekend, maybe we could meet somewhere and get her done..

Let me know when you're in town and pm me. I would love to stomp all over that turbo kit :rofl: Just remember it's a race so my slicks will be on my car at the time of the race :lalala:

its cool reading everyones theory.
but talk is talk. i see a lot of geeks/honda tech guys yapping about what set-up is faster what parts are better.
take it to the track and race...take vids of it so people will know, show us your timeslips to compare

in the end both sides should just enjoy the boost and make their cars faster. we need to let everyone know that toyota still kicks 4SS

munch; thats cool, im leaving tomorrow around noon, since im making a trip up there and wasnt planning on actually racing, im not gonna have my slicks on the car :tap:
but, i'd still like to race your setup. i got a stage 1 too, not a 0, so we'll see if you can keep up at top speeds :P
and i dont have a video cam, so if you wanna record, and post for the SL'ers that be cool.
by the way, how much hp's are you running at?[/quote]

I would vote for the SC for the following reasons.

1. Carb legal in 50 state (So Cal being the most inmportant..) Turbo's not legal.
2. Warranty kept
3. You can put a BOV on a charger.. for the nice sound you people are looking for.
4. You can adjust boost by changing pulley
5. Because I have a TRD charger already.

I think TRD did a great job with the kit. Well made and well thought out.

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Side note: ^^^ Your name is awsome!!

Question, stage 2 turbo _typically_ runs at what psi? or does that really depend on the turbo setup?

Great thread on this sc / turbo stuff...... :bow:

I've heard people mention that turbos are better for straight line and superchargers are better for things like Auto-X. Not saying that turbos can't Auto-X, it all depends on the setup. I wouldn't know since I've never taken my car to the track. Can someone (that actually knows) be so kind as to inform us why the turbo is better for drag and super better for Auto-X, or vice versa?

its not that turbo is bad am not saying that but in the over all run the turbos is mutch greater to kill the engine then the super charger is and even with a super charger u are constantly putting boost to red line as of turbo it had lagg and bossts up to 5k rpm

by the way, how much hp's are you running at?

That I'm keeping a secret :lalala: .I think I'll be at the track tomorrow running the car in the 1/4 mile if all goes well tonite with my latest install on the car. So I'll know exactly how fast it is. The unichip is a crazy mod for the money :bow: .