What type / material would you like to see draxas produce?

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4-2-1 stainless steel.

4-3-2-1 Ceramic coated. THAT will be unique, for sure!

I voted 4-2-1 ceramic coated. Especially with the supercharger, we want the metal body of the compressor to recieve as little heat as possible.

4-2-1 ceramic.. less heat = better result..

but also a 4-1 ceramic.. the tc lacks a little top end sometimes.. some more top end power would be nice!!

4-3-2-1 Ceramic coated. THAT will be unique, for sure!

I voted 4-2-1 ceramic coated. Especially with the supercharger, we want the metal body of the compressor to recieve as little heat as possible.

4-3-2-1 :rofl: that would be a unique header lol

i also agree with a 4-2-1 ceramic coated for heat reasons. I would much rather have power through out, then just top end.

stainless is bling though... :lalala:

All sensibility aside, but you gotta have a stainless header to match the exhaust right? Its too pretty!!

http://www.socalpcguy.com/images/headersmall1.JPG

that is pretty

my only concern is heat

Maybe they could offer some kind of stainless heat shield for a ceramic header? Best of both worlds right?

Maybe they could offer some kind of stainless heat shield for a ceramic header? Best of both worlds right?

that never crossed my mine. it would add bling, and reduce heat even more with an added shield. maybe that could make it an option if they go that route.

good thinkin :clap:

NP..send intellectual copyright check to me at.... JK

4-2-1 ceramic Header would be cool :bow:

heard the problem with ceramic headers is that after about four years you have to get them recoated again since the ceramic wears off... that'll just leave the mild steel underneath exposed... rust city =p

thing is, most people don't keep their cars after 5 years. anybody ever deal with this?

Maybe they could offer some kind of stainless heat shield for a ceramic header? Best of both worlds right?

I think that is the best idea. :bow:

Normally that would cost a lot more but Draxas seems to be a good company that won't murder customers with little metal add-ons.

Just wanted to update everyone on this...

We will more than likely begin development of a Scion tC header in February/March 2006. We are leaning towards producing a stainless steel 4-2-1 header... However, we will also more than likely produce a 4-1 header strictly for testing, to see what kind of power we can make. If the power gains are similar between the two then we will definitely mass produce a 4-2-1 header.

We've been getting emails and phone calls from Scion tC owners interested in our plans to develop a header. If you are interested, please email or call us. The more interest we see the more likely we will be to release a header faster.

Estimated cost for a T-304 Stainless Steel 4-2-1 header would be around $450-$550.... SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the other 4-2-1 header on the market. Same if not better gains, VERY High qaulity and a lifetime warranty.

Love to see a Ceramic 4-2-1.

Props if you can beat MMW on price point with similar power and keep the low end. I can say you won't be getting my MMW setup off me, it's gonna be tough to make ma a convert.

BTW love your guys exhaust, wish it was out when I was in the market.

I voted for 4-2-1 Stainless, although I'd go for either stainless or ceramic, so long as it was 4-2-1. Then I read down and saw this:

Estimated cost for a T-304 Stainless Steel 4-2-1 header would be around $450-$550

Draxas, I love you. Hurry up and release it! :P

i dont care about the finish cuz i would rap mine whenever i get some good quality 1s. i just dont want any CEL coming on and no vibration which causes rasp.

Flint, draxas just released their exhaust with a resonator, and there is NO rasp with the system.

The car that was tested had an intake, AW header, and draxas spipe and back exhaust (with resonator)... NO RASP! :)

No CEL would be a good thing if that is possible to obtain with the design on the header. Nikolas do you know if Phil is throwing a CEL? if not does he have an anti-fouler or the ZPI o2 simulator?

that is also a good estimated proce for a 4-2-1, espically with a lifetime warranty!

if headers for the tc cant b made with a anti fouler built in2 them or somethin i'll have to BREAK AWAY from the norm and get the best that i can get and just take the CEL bulb out of the gauge cluster just like i did with my civics.

We'll test a few things in regards to Check Engine Lights.... We know what works on the Ford Focus, Mazda3 and Mazda6... So we'll try the same with the tC. Whether that a bung for the O2 sensor that is extra long (basically serving the same purpose as the antifouler trick) or running an O2 Simulator type device.

We'll test a few things in regards to Check Engine Lights.... We know what works on the Ford Focus, Mazda3 and Mazda6... So we'll try the same with the tC. Whether that a bung for the O2 sensor that is extra long (basically serving the same purpose as the antifouler trick) or running an O2 Simulator type device.excellent! if all the header glitches can be worked out with your design, my money will be yours. break_away has done a good job informing me of your product. i just like to b difficult with him cuz he is from back home, lol. i know he will keep me posted cuz he will b 1 of the first owners to have your parts. :clap:

lol, its all good, im here to help.

And since i probably wont log on anymore today, happy new year to all!

We'll make sure that we thoroughly test the header before we release a design we are comfortable selling. I know people get upset with how long it takes us to release a part (S-Pipe, Resonated Exhaust)... but I would much rather release a well tested piece than rush to market with a part just to make a quick buck.

yeah Nikolas, get on it. you guys droped the header for the 3 in what a year? 4-2-1 Creamic. i cant wait to se how this one comes out.

We'll make sure that we thoroughly test the header before we release a design we are comfortable selling. I know people get upset with how long it takes us to release a part (S-Pipe, Resonated Exhaust)... but I would much rather release a well tested piece than rush to market with a part just to make a quick buck.

nope - i dont think people get upset but giving projected dates and a few updates before release is all it takes to keep people happy. I waited 3 months for your company (draxas) to release the new exhaust .... honestly ...3 months fealt like 2 years because I was happy to hear you were going to make the product I have been looking for. Giviing projected dates on new products, new products that will come out, and updates before products come out is all the public needs. If you posted a few entries every few weeks on your webpage with development updates then we call could go to your webpage and look at whats going on. You can post the link to your webpage update page and could put that on the forums. That way every body will know whats going on. I have my new few parts picked out for my car and im doing things little by little so they get done in the right order. I couldnt make that possible if I didnt know when products are comming out and which products I need. Thank you for listening.

VP, i dont mind waiting. i got to much grown things to take care of, morgage bein 1 of them, to keep me busy. i dont have time to nag u about each step your taking, lol. everybody else might.

VP, i dont mind waiting. i got to much grown things to take care of, morgage bein 1 of them, to keep me busy. i dont have time to nag u about each step your taking, lol. everybody else might.

sorry to hear that. but yes - this is a car forum .....all of us, but you, might.

LOL.....

I will make sure to keep all potential customers up-to-date on what's going on here at Draxas. I'll meet with our fabricator and find out what the lead times are for R&D on a new header. What his estimated costs are, etc... 4-2-1 is the way I WANT to go... Only after thorough testing will w know for sure if that is indeed the best way to go for the Scion tC.....

4-2-1 = Tq.

Can't wait to see what you guys make for us......Love the exhaust and i am sure that it will be the same for the header!!!!! Keep up the good work!!!

Draxas
Can we get an update please....i would like to know whats the verdict on the 4-2-1 and if its stainless...etc.....while we all wait updates would be appreciated!!!!

Thanks
~Jason

^^^^ Bump

SS 4-2-1. i guess you can have a hot coat option for the people who want it. also if you want you can wrap it on your own, i'm sure thats better than any coating.

Heat wrap is actually very bad. The ceramic coating used these days is very high quality stuff. Especially if you use the coatings originally designed for use at NASA (commonly available now).

There is a possibility that we will develop a prototype 4-2-1 Stepped Header for the Scion tC. the way it is leaning now, whatever header we do make will more than likely be constructed from Mild Steel and then Ceramic Coated. This will keep costs down to a level that most tC owners will be able to afford.

4-2-1 sound's cool what is the price differance for the stainless vs mild steel could you offer stainless for people who would be willing to pay the differance.

sounds good, just please keep in mind the shaft that goes over the header for the TRD s/c

SuperCharger Shaft: We will definitely keep this in mind when we are designing the header.

The retail price estimate for a T-304 Stainless 4-2-1 Header would be around $650 or so.... I think we can get the ceramic coated 4-2-1 header down to around $500. But dont hold me to that. ;-)

stainless 4-2-1 baby

so what i would like to know is if stainless will be an option ar not.

bump chicka wow wow

I'd like to see a header that takes into account the Catalytic Converter that's located inside the OEM head so you're not fully guilty of a federal offense when you swap it out ;)

is the 4-2-1 going to have a fix for the cel that will go off......for example the monstermotorworks has one that is included too??

is the 4-2-1 going to have a fix for the cel that will go off......for example the monstermotorworks has one that is included too??
that is an incorrect statment. MMW tried to eliminate the CEL with their header by moving the bung for the o2 sensor farther back (in the spipe since they sell the header / spipe as a combo), but this did NOT work for all users. Basically they made a built in antifouler (spark plug adaptor), and it worked for some. So now they are making a 90º bend piece of pipe to extend the sensor even more.

Regardless, it's not a product tuning issue (like placement of a MAF/MAP in an intake runner), it's the inherent problem of removing the factory pre-cat + free-flowing/hotter exhaust gas' causing the factory ECU to percieves an incorrect gas composition.

You're not going to get the factory 2nd O2 much farther back than the location on the MMW header, and even MMW location throws over time. Short of an electronic fix which has been tried with mixed results, the passive fixes are the current solutions.

So what is Draxas going to do to address this?

that is pretty

my only concern is heat

Don't worry about heat here is why. The Alphawerks header actually runs cooler than the oem one due to the fact the cat is eliminated. The catalynic converter being on the header brings a lot of unwanted heat to the engine bay and keeps the engine hotter than the Alphawerks header. After running my engine all day with the oem header I can touch the engine but I have to quickly remove my had b/c of the excessive heat. The Alphawerks header being on allows me to rest my hand on the engine a little bit longer. Sorry forgot to mention that the runners on the Alphawerks header are really thick compared to most headers this helps keep most of the heat in the header.

so what exactly is going on w/ draxas's header? They said they are planning on comming out w/ it in a few months from now - does that statment still hold ground?

vp, do you know whats goin on with the headers yet? any signs? i wanna get headers!! but waitin to hear from you guys 1st

We will be releasing a header for the Scion tC. It is just unclear whether they will be Ceramic Coated Mild Steel or Stainless Steel. I would like to do Stainless Steel, but the cost is going to be prohibitive for alot of Scion tC owners....

We've had great success with our ceramic coated headers for the past 4 years. We have multiple customers with other 50,000 miles on the headers with no failures to speak of.

vp, i would rather have ss then cc cause of issue from friends and myself in nj, therfore i hope it comes in ss instead and what about the cel problem too? thanks

Just a though, would it be possible to offer both? I dont know what kind of reasearch and development goes into making them, but if it is the same process to bend the tubes, would it be possible to offer both?

Just an idea.

vp, i also want to know if it will have the flange on the side to bolt the bracket to the eng.. on the bottom part

that's what i have been saying do a stainless one as a special order or something there would be a lot of people who would be interested in stainless.

vp, i also want to know if it will have the flange on the side to bolt the bracket to the eng.. on the bottom part

please clarify your question, because it doesnt make much sense.

Their must be a flange to connect the header to the engine. It is recommended that you replace the gasket when you do replace the stock exhaust manifold with an aftermarket header.

If this doesnt answer your question, please re-phrase it and I will do my best to answer it.

Gary,

Our header will have the necessary bracket that you are speaking of.. This will be a direct bolt in piece that will connect just as the OEM unit does.

Gary,

Our header will have the necessary bracket that you are speaking of.. This will be a direct bolt in piece that will connect just as the OEM unit does.

ETA? :lalala:

The cylinder head flanges have been ordered. They should arrive in about 4 weeks.

We will need to get a Scion tC into the shop for initial prototyping. I will make a post on the SoCal Scion tC message board to see if I can find any takers. :-)

sounds good - cant wait for another update on how things are going.