Anyone check out the lasted MazdaSpeed creation? The Mazdaspeed 6 has a 274HP turbocharged and intercooled, 2.3L inline-4, 6-speed tranny and AWD! Now I've always loved the styling of the 6 but holy crap this thing is a performer.

Now if I had to guess, rated at 274HP on a 2.3L at 9.5:1 compression, this thing is probably in the 7-8PSI range.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=modelsMain&vehicleCode=MS6

damn, do you guys think this car can complete with Mitsu Lancer Evo/Subie WRX STi???

hmmm....seeing as how the STI has over 300 hp, and is AWD...I wouldnt think so, but then again, I could be an idiot.

Here is some more info from Mazda's website.

The single-scroll turbo produces up to 15.6lbs of boost.

It also uses a direct fuel injection system which pumps fuel right into the combustion chamber and it uses a top mount intercooler. Material enhancements include reshaped steel connecting rods w/ thicker pins, steel crank and full floating pistons.

Something tells me that with a more performance oriented tune, the STi/Evo owners should be taking notice, especially since this thing will retail for under $30K!

Very nice! I've always like the 6 also. That one is sah-weeet!

Looks like an awesome car, but I prefer the 17" wheels on the lower model 6s.

It won't really be a direct competitor against the WRX/Evo....it's made to be more civilized.

Its performance is weaker than those two, but look at the pros when you're getting the speed6:

it's faster and sportier than other sport sedans around that price

and it's got a much better interior and matured look compared to the evo/sti.

It's a compromise between daily driving and sportiness

yeah this and the evo/wrx are different animal.

similar mechanical pieces and technologies. but this will be an awesome lil grocery getter that will be comfortable , carry easier to swallow insurance premiums , and be yes slower. oh well. lets hope mazda's engineers made a reliable fun to drive awd system or borrowed/bought from another good company.

watch it be from ford aka volvo.

Well, from the way it is priced as well as its size it is in more direct competition with the Subaru Legacy GT or BMW 330si and the Mercedes equivalent. You also have to consider this engine is directly based off of the Ford Focus WRC car which means it is the same one as the Focus RS as well as the upcoming Cosworth. So there should be plenty of aftermarket from both sides of the pond to choose from.

Although I have heard and read a couple of magazes that took spyshots of what looked like a test mule for a up coming Mazdaspeed3, which would more directly compete with the WRX.

i knew i shouldda bought a mazda three. at least then i'd have a motor to swap into the lifeless slow car unlike the xB

^ouch....
lol!
there seems to be alot of turboed cars comming out at under 30 grand.....
if one of those looks sik enough to catch my eye...
its tradng time or i'll sell the box... 13k on the spot!!

yeah this and the evo/wrx are different animal.

similar mechanical pieces and technologies. but this will be an awesome lil grocery getter that will be comfortable , carry easier to swallow insurance premiums , and be yes slower. oh well. lets hope mazda's engineers made a reliable fun to drive awd system or borrowed/bought from another good company.

watch it be from ford aka volvo.

Well, it is mostly competing against the Legacy GT. Even though I am unsure about how insurance will handle this car and it might be a bit slower than its slightly smaller rally based counterparts, but like the Legacy GT that can change with some modifacations.

Also as for a realiable AWD and engine, the engine is pretty much a .3l increase while the AWD system is directly based off of the Focus WRC car so that shouldn't be too much of a problem. And with the a new Focus Cosworth coming out soon in Europe aftermarket shouldn't be either.

ic. i just don't trust anything ford.

Actually the funny part about all of this is the engine, turbo setup from the Focus WRC car is actually Mazda based. As for the AWD system, Ford has been in rally racing in Europe since the 1970s with the Escort (http://www.jyanet.com/cap/1129fe1.htm) as well as the famous Group B RS200. (http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=103&i=7138) So in fact, Ford or at least Ford Europe has been in rally racing even longer than Mitsubishi. They know a thing or two about building and sponsoring rally racers.

Also you have to realise Ford America, Europe and Australia are pretty much different companies with the only thing in common is being under one name and perhaps international bank account. So when it comes to reliability Ford Europe is pretty much worlds apart. (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_15/b3778133.htm) :wink:

wow! saw one up close! awesome car! the gt doesnt even need a key, just a little credit card fob that has to be within 2 feet of the car and, well you can open and start the car, awesome, i want. i want it,bad.

Escort :rofl:

If you mean this Escort, (http://www.wrc-cosworth.org/dv/history/history.html) than there is nothing to laugh about aside from the probable joy of driving it. Also, their rally cars have an AWD system based off of the one made by Cosworth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosworth) and Ferguson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_Research_Ltd.). Both companies made their first AWD systems for racing long before even Mitsubishi ever entered let alone Subaru making AWD a wide ranged option then standard. In fact you can probably owe it to Ferguson for the first ones making the first 4WD for racing.

oh man that is awesome. I have liked the 6's now I like them more. EXCEPT, I dont like any of the color choices. I wonder why they are so limited?

And did you notice that it starts at 28,999 but EVERYTHING is an option taking the price up?

thats a nice ride.... anyone see it in person yet?

i drove past mazda today and was tempted to ask. But I was suppose to be xmas shopping for the wife. As it was I had already stopped and washed the car on the way. maybe tomorrow...

Mazdaspeed6: 3589 lbs, 274 hp, 280 tq, $28,555 (pretty porky)
Evo RS: 3219 lbs, 286 hp, 289 tq, $29,149 (wow)
STi: 3351 lbs, 300 hp, 300 tq, $32,995 (2nd wow)
WRX: 3192 lbs, 230 hp, 235 tq, $24,995 (my choice. cheap, fast, practical)
Legacy 2.5 GT: 3365 lbs, 250 hp, 250 tq, $28,795 (non too fast)
BMW 330xi: 3627 lbs, 255 hp, 220 tq, $38,500 (EXPENSIVE, slow porker)
G35X: 3650 lbs, 298 hp, 260 tq, $33,100 (quicker porker)

Read in a car mag that they said drive'n the Mazdaspeed6 was disappointing cause its so heavy.

Stopped into mazda today, they were closed. Walked around the lot and they didnt have and of the mazda Speed6's. Maybe monday they will be open and i can see. I wont get one but i want to drive it.

Mazdaspeed6: 3589 lbs, 274 hp, 280 tq, $28,555 (pretty porky)
Evo RS: 3219 lbs, 286 hp, 289 tq, $29,149 (wow)
STi: 3351 lbs, 300 hp, 300 tq, $32,995 (2nd wow)
WRX: 3192 lbs, 230 hp, 235 tq, $24,995 (my choice. cheap, fast, practical)
Legacy 2.5 GT: 3365 lbs, 250 hp, 250 tq, $28,795 (non too fast)
BMW 330xi: 3627 lbs, 255 hp, 220 tq, $38,500 (EXPENSIVE, slow porker)
G35X: 3650 lbs, 298 hp, 260 tq, $33,100 (quicker porker)

Read in a car mag that they said drive'n the Mazdaspeed6 was disappointing cause its so heavy.

I'm sorry but I find that a very biased comparison. For one thing the Mazdaspeed6 should not even be compared with the WRX and EVO, that is competition for the upcoming Mazdaspeed3. Also, the BMW 330xi was not made for definitive performance like the M3 as much as a BMW that is good for driving in all seasons like the Mercedes 4Matics. However, that aside its performance is actually not that bad with going 0-60 in 6.9 seconds and a 1/4mile of 14.8.

But now back the the MSP6. A Subaru which it can better compare to is the Legact GT which like it, is a midsized sedan, weighs 3435lbs, has 250hp as welll exerting a max of 250 torque and can go 0-60 in 5.7 seconds with a 1/4mile of 14.3 seconds.

Mitsubishi doesn't make the Galant VR4 anymore and was out in the US from 1989-94. But when its production ended it had 276hp but 268 torque, went 0-60 in 5.9 seconds.

The Infiniti G35x, the only other car which was a fare comparison. Does have 298hp but the Mazdaspeed6 exerts 280lbs of torque which is 8 shy of the G35's. However, since the MSP6 has forcedinduction, a turbocharger, it spools up to the maximum torque level quicker.

So considering the numbers of the following cars I am confidently sure that the Mazdaspeed6 can reach from 0 to 60mph a bit below the guesstimated 6.2 seconds. And considering people have easily gotten the Legacy 2.5 GT into the 13s in the 1/4mile the same can probably be done for the Mazdaspeed6.

test drove the Mazdaspeed 6 yesterday, and oh dear lord!! this thing is b-e-a-utiful. comfortable as can be, amazingly well-done interior and just all-around fun to drive. acceleration is VERY smooth, and will put you in the back of the seat. my only complaint would be the wheels that they chose are not very appealing.

Actually, the high curb weight you see is supposed to be on the GT model...

someone on the mazda6 boards weighed in their car and it was not as heavy as they thought it would be.

There was a car mag and other owners who did the 0-60mph at about mid to low 5 seconds, which sounds completely reasonable

okay! test drove one as well, love it want it, might get it,ha!
awesome car, smooth power output , very confident in highspeed turns and beautiful sound from the motor, i am in love.

ic. i just don't trust anything ford.

It's not a Ford.

Get a clue.

Ford has very little to do with the vast majority of Mazda products. What little they do is nothing to be concerned about.

When will the stupid Mazda = Ford rumors end? :loser:

If only Toyota would build cars half as exciting as Mazda does in the $15-$30k price range.

um when ford stops owning mazda is when the rumors will end. i'd still rock a mazda 6 theyre sexy.

toyota does build cars half as exciting. maybe not as exciting but at least 75% as exciting.

I'm sorry but I find that a very biased comparison. For one thing the Mazdaspeed6 should not even be compared with the WRX and EVO, that is competition for the upcoming Mazdaspeed3. Also, the BMW 330xi was not made for definitive performance like the M3 as much as a BMW that is good for driving in all seasons like the Mercedes 4Matics. However, that aside its performance is actually not that bad with going 0-60 in 6.9 seconds and a 1/4mile of 14.8.

But now back the the MSP6. A Subaru which it can better compare to is the Legact GT which like it, is a midsized sedan, weighs 3435lbs, has 250hp as welll exerting a max of 250 torque and can go 0-60 in 5.7 seconds with a 1/4mile of 14.3 seconds.

Mitsubishi doesn't make the Galant VR4 anymore and was out in the US from 1989-94. But when its production ended it had 276hp but 268 torque, went 0-60 in 5.9 seconds.

The Infiniti G35x, the only other car which was a fare comparison. Does have 298hp but the Mazdaspeed6 exerts 280lbs of torque which is 8 shy of the G35's. However, since the MSP6 has forcedinduction, a turbocharger, it spools up to the maximum torque level quicker.

So considering the numbers of the following cars I am confidently sure that the Mazdaspeed6 can reach from 0 to 60mph a bit below the guesstimated 6.2 seconds. And considering people have easily gotten the Legacy 2.5 GT into the 13s in the 1/4mile the same can probably be done for the Mazdaspeed6.

The comparison was for performance and price purposes, not luxury, of 4WD cars similar to the MS6.
No comparing the EVO or WRX but STI is ok??
MS3 will fall behind the WRX and EVO just as well as the MS6 does.
The M3 costs even more than the 330xi and is RWD only.
Why mention the Gallant VR4 if it isn't in production?
The MS6's torque isn't 8 shy of the G35X, its 20 over.

mazda and ford swap parts, nuff said.

Never dug the looks of the 6 at all. ms6 performance wise seem spretty sweet - but not my cup of dung

the car looks so sexy. If it came in automatic - i would definetely get it. I know, i know, cars like this aren't supposed to be automatic, but when you live in NYC it is not easy to live with a stick

well get over it. sacrifice. if you want the power and the cool u get stick. end of story.

the car looks so sexy. If it came in automatic - i would definetely get it. I know, i know, cars like this aren't supposed to be automatic, but when you live in NYC it is not easy to live with a stick

If you live under driving conditions SO bad that driving a stick is out of the equation then there is no point in having a car like this.

It's not designed for accelerating as quickly as possible to 30 mph then jamming on the brakes while traffic slows to a crawl again, then illegally shooting over to the HOV lane to get one car ahead. :rofl:

You may as well get a comfy leather-lined boat SUV with a sloppy automatic for that kind of driving and be like everyone else.

mazda and ford swap parts, nuff said.

Yuo = not teh smart :doh:

Car is hot!

GOT IT!

Ive always liked the 6. I bet this thing is great. Mazda makes some nice reliable stuff too for those people that bash it for being part owned by Ford.

In this months Car & Driver (Feb 06) they compare the Mazdaspeed 6 with the Accord EX V6, Acura TSX, Pontaic G6 GTP, and the VW Jetta GLI

5th - Pontaic G6 GTP
4th - Mazdaspeed 6
3rd - Acura TSX
2nd - Accord EX V6
1st - VW Jetta GLI

I think its a good article

youch the mazdaspeed didnt do so well.

It sure didn't...but then again, magazine stuff are only an assistance in providing some information. The real way to do a comparison is to drive the cars yourself, since everybody has different standards.

In this months Car & Driver (Feb 06) they compare the Mazdaspeed 6 with the Accord EX V6, Acura TSX, Pontaic G6 GTP, and the VW Jetta GLI

5th - Pontaic G6 GTP
4th - Mazdaspeed 6
3rd - Acura TSX
2nd - Accord EX V6
1st - VW Jetta GLI

I think its a good article

Wow. I wouldn't have guess that to be the outcome at all. I'll have to read the article and see why they came to those conclusions. Should be interesting.

Mazdaspeed6: 3589 lbs, 274 hp, 280 tq, $28,555 (pretty porky)
Evo RS: 3219 lbs, 286 hp, 289 tq, $29,149 (wow)
STi: 3351 lbs, 300 hp, 300 tq, $32,995 (2nd wow)
WRX: 3192 lbs, 230 hp, 235 tq, $24,995 (my choice. cheap, fast, practical)
Legacy 2.5 GT: 3365 lbs, 250 hp, 250 tq, $28,795 (non too fast)
BMW 330xi: 3627 lbs, 255 hp, 220 tq, $38,500 (EXPENSIVE, slow porker)
G35X: 3650 lbs, 298 hp, 260 tq, $33,100 (quicker porker)

Read in a car mag that they said drive'n the Mazdaspeed6 was disappointing cause its so heavy.


Lets get some facts straight there......the G35X only comes in Automatic which is 280Hp...to get the 298hp, you need to get the RWD with 6-speed manual.

The comparison was for performance and price purposes, not luxury, of 4WD cars similar to the MS6.
No comparing the EVO or WRX but STI is ok??
MS3 will fall behind the WRX and EVO just as well as the MS6 does.
The M3 costs even more than the 330xi and is RWD only.
Why mention the Gallant VR4 if it isn't in production?
The MS6's torque isn't 8 shy of the G35X, its 20 over.

Ok, I also stated they better compare performance wise as well because of the Mazdaspeed6's size and weight in ratio to its performance. The Mazdaspeed6 is a sporty midsized sedan, get over it.

Btw, you should check out the luxury option and pricing between the highest packaged MS6, Infiniti G35 and Jaguar X Type they are not drastically different. And if the Mazda3 was fitted with the same type of tranny as well as turbocharge and intercooler as the Mazdaspeed6 it won't get so easily blown away.