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Hey Jaime.. sorry to hear about your bad experience but while some of us might be around to compete.. I think most people just want to be around other Scion owners. Speaking for myself.. I just want to see what others have done to their cars and just hang out with people. Yeah, its hard to be friendly.. especially when we don't know each other. I met ya at Precision Muffler.. on our way to Scion Night II.. I think you were with your family. I was there with my boyfriend and should have been more talkative and I wish I was but i'm shy.. takes a bit to get me talkin'

Hope you dont stay away from the events.. Maybe we should get somethin' going on this side of the bay. Most events are in San Jose or in the North bay.. nothing in this area.. like Watsonville or Gilroy..

See ya around :)

hi norma
yes i remember you, and yes im little bit shy too, and is because i cant exprees myself
my english vocabulary is very short

actually i never had a bad experience with norcal ( just 2 people treat me like &%$#@ even i see one of those try to desinfect his car after i touch it but i dont care)
is just i think any car club or society it must be like a family
brother helping brothers
i been reading many bad post about norcal, where people is against others and I believe that it is not a healthful atmosphere

I guess myself and a few other people aren't the only ones who see this:

hi everyone
after a read some post about norcal these is what i think
i been maybe in 3 or 4 events with norcal scion // i notice something like squirrel said //about people against people // i think everybody forgot what (event,car show, or whatever)means
i feel like people worry more to add stuff to their cars , make money on the events or win a trophie instead of say hi to the friends, or to have o good time with the family ,
did you guys think i drive sometimes 3 hours to the events just to win trophie ( iknow a place where i can buy a big one x $ 20) I know I cannot compete with those guys with their own companies, sponsor ,business
when i go to the events is just to meet people, to learn a little bit more about these cars,
even when im not a NOR*CAl scion, or i dont pay to no body to belong a club(i dont know what is the benefits for belong to any club other than waste your money)
i just want to say thanks to everybody who meet me i had a good time most of the times and thanks understand that my english is very basic and most times i cant express my opinion clearly
maybe im going to be away for the events cuz i dont like to compete
thanks everyone

jc

I know of only a handful of people who actually walk around an event and actually say HI to peeps. And yes I can count that high because I don't even think its double digits.

No wonder myself and a few others don't have the enthusiasm anymore.

And peeps have the nerve to say I'm the one causing drama!?! I'm trying to get things back the way it was.

I guess only a handful of peeps read my ENTIRE post or read any of it at all.

And yes Jaime, I agree w/ you 100%. I dn't have a 3 hour drive, but like Brian also, I usually always have at least an hour drive one way.

I have been in Scion Evo since March 05'. I first joined BCS when I got my Scion a little over a year ago and I will miss the original mix, but stuff happens.

I like, no I LOVE :love: :love: , doing events for everyone in Nor Cal charity or otherwise. I try to get the opinions of everyone I talk to, but during the events I am usually juggling :relief: too much to say "HI" to everyone. If there is something that can be done differently let me know. I am open for suggestions or I can explain my reasons for doing or not doing things.

I only started doing the trophies because it draws more people and at a dealership event you need butts in the seats to make it successful in the eyes of the dealership (why lie it's the TRUTH) and give them a reason to do more events.

What else would you like to see done at a car event, I would like to know. Maybe if I could get a little more help during the events I could make it around to meet everybody, and get even more ideas. I remember faces, but often forget names :doh: I am sorry if I don't remember your names right away. There are people that go to alot of the same events as me and those are the people I remember the most.

Sorry for the long thread but I have alot in my head right now.

Robert,

You don't need to change anything. You did everything right at the Dublin Toyota event for the right reasons.

Some people have changed because they want to only do what will benefit them the most and not for everyone's best interest.

Unfortunately, people come to me, because they know I wil speak up about a problem, and then I get all of the blame for the stirrig the pot.

I don't need to stand on a pedastal to toot my horn, but for tohers, they NEED to have recognition. I could care less about recognition, just want to make sure my friends are taken care of.

Some may ask, "Well, what does squirrel want?"

I want things to go back to the way they were BEFORE Exposed and all of the issues that have been brought up after thrown to the curb. But I know it won't happen because some people have EGOs that drive their life and that's all they know.

BUT, I know it won't when certain few folks, who were considered friends, are trying to take me out of the equation, and make sure that they can do everything in their power to ruin me.

Not just here on Scion Life, but on other forums, and in public at events.

My, my, my, how some people forget who has helped who along the way, and asked for no recognition.

I guess it's all because "they were nothing before the car, and will be nothing after the car".

I have been in Scion Evo since March 05'. I first joined BCS when I got my Scion a little over a year ago and I will miss the original mix, but stuff happens.

I like, no I LOVE :love: :love: , doing events for everyone in Nor Cal charity or otherwise. I try to get the opinions of everyone I talk to, but during the events I am usually juggling :relief: too much to say "HI" to everyone. If there is something that can be done differently let me know. I am open for suggestions or I can explain my reasons for doing or not doing things.

I only started doing the trophies because it draws more people and at a dealership event you need butts in the seats to make it successful in the eyes of the dealership (why lie it's the TRUTH) and give them a reason to do more events.

What else would you like to see done at a car event, I would like to know. Maybe if I could get a little more help during the events I could make it around to meet everybody, and get even more ideas. I remember faces, but often forget names :doh: I am sorry if I don't remember your names right away. There are people that go to alot of the same events as me and those are the people I remember the most.

Sorry for the long thread but I have alot in my head right now.

And by "right", I mean you greeted folks, advised them where to register and buy raffle tickets, made sure people ate and there was enuff food, and ALSO got a TON of prizes for the raffle.

Its been a while since the person who coordinated an event actually went around and greeted folks.

i agree jc....no me mama's way.. if thats how you say it ..lol...i was going to come up and say hi to ya but iwas allready in a bad mood and just wanted to go home .ill talk to ya at the next one

People have seen how Dublin went down and have either asked for my help or asked questions. I truely think the events next year are going to be a better calibur.

Gordon seems to have a grasp on some ideas for next year :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: and I hope they come to light soon. NorCalScions.com is going to set the pace for 2006 I think the rest of us that want to do events are going to have to set the bar high.

Some of the areas that interest me for 2006 are:
Santa Cruz, Daly City, San Rafael, Concord, Fremont, and Alameda. We need to spread the love. :love: :love: :love: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Toys for Tots is going to Nor Cal next year and I need to finish my promise to Angela and do some animal charity stuff. Also, Oakland Children's Hospital should be on our list. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:
If you have a charity you want to do let me know and I will arrange something.

I totally agree.

Can you organize a few events in South Carolina next year so I can attend?

I totally agree.

CONGRATS btw!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Holy cow that's kind of far

Holy cow that's kind of far

Just thought I'd ask. But we'll see how the arm goes first.

You find me the place to stay and the rental car and I'll see what I can do........ :lalala: :lalala:

Trophies and raffles shouldn't be the only reason people go to meets at dealerships. Look at the meet we had at Stevens Creek Scion at the beginning of this year. The parking lot (though somewhat small) was packed with people and cars. There wasn't even enough room to move a car out but noone cared because it was all about hanging out and having a good time. There were no trophies. I don't even think there was a raffle.

Thanks Squirrel! My mug getting "arrested" on the homepage of ScionLife....Priceless! LOL.
Dewmerz, you are correct. Prizes and trophies aren't or shouldn't be the only reason to go to meets, but it does help! I wish there were more meets with less 'competitive' things going down. I won't be going to ANY shows for awhile...unless Squirrel needs a tagalong and someone to hang with in SC. I'm there for you bro (if my wife and I happen to be passing through, that is)!

Thanks Squirrel! My mug getting "arrested" on the homepage of ScionLife....Priceless! LOL.
Dewmerz, you are correct. Prizes and trophies aren't or shouldn't be the only reason to go to meets, but it does help! I wish there were more meets with less 'competitive' things going down. I won't be going to ANY shows for awhile...unless Squirrel needs a tagalong and someone to hang with in SC. I'm there for you bro (if my wife and I happen to be passing through, that is)!

Yeah, I have to get thru the arm surgery first. So we'll see.

Man, I wish I would have been working. I would have done that pic for you!

I don't know why I am posting, but felt I had to put in my 2 cents...

I go to NorCal meets to meet new people as well as hang out with those who I already know. It's my time to get away from the house for a bit and enjoy my friends and yes, I do call those Scion Peeps my friends. When I go to events I try and say hi to everyone, I'm the one who wants to meet everyone and get to know everyone.

My car is not fixed up (due to financial reasons) and I only do what I can afford at that time. I don't do it for trophies, money, etc. I do it because I like the modding part of it all and it's so much fun to share with everyone. Plus, I don't show (for obvious reasons, but I will when the time is right), and I go to the events/meets to show mad love and support for the Scion Peeps that do.

That's just me and I have met a lot of friendly people at meets. I'm sorry that you have had a bad experience, I hope you change your mind about future meets/events.

Peace! :P

P.S. - Happy Birthday, Norma!!

People have seen how Dublin went down and have either asked for my help or asked questions. I truely think the events next year are going to be a better calibur.

Gordon seems to have a grasp on some ideas for next year :lalala: :lalala: :lalala: and I hope they come to light soon. NorCalScions.com is going to set the pace for 2006 I think the rest of us that want to do events are going to have to set the bar high.

Some of the areas that interest me for 2006 are:
Santa Cruz, Daly City, San Rafael, Concord, Fremont, and Alameda. We need to spread the love. :love: :love: :love: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Toys for Tots is going to Nor Cal next year and I need to finish my promise to Angela and do some animal charity stuff. Also, Oakland Children's Hospital should be on our list. :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:
If you have a charity you want to do let me know and I will arrange something.

hey robert we had a great time at the dublin meet ,,,,,,,,,keep up the good work.I know gordon is working hard on some ideas for new meets for everyone,oh and by the way its NORCALSCION.COM and i hope everyone and i mean everyone can make it to are New Years party,,,,,,,,,,,,,everyone is welcome :love:

jc.... kinda late for the reply but i had the exact feeling with u.... thats why i'm not showing up at the meets, i dun wanna feel left out and be a total stranger abt the meet thingy.... worst of all, i felt like a step child and i got no love.....

by Stranger

I go to the meets and gatherings because I love cars, especially modded ones. I think its kinda like art, each person having there own taste and styles.
Along with those unique taste and styles come different personalities, some attractive some less than attractive.
I like to meet new people as well but feel a certain "cliqueeness" when I approach some different groups/clubs/people. Well thats fine because thats what clubs do, seperate a group of people from everyone else.
I ALWAYS try to go look at each and every car at the meets Xa,Xband tC's , first because I'm actually intrested, second, to be somewhat social. I see alot of people that couldn't care less about other peoples rides, that are there strictly to win something. thats fine too. I know I appreciate recieving an award after spending a couple hours cleaning my car from a long week of commuting.
I don't have a problem with the way anybody is running thier events, I will simply continue to be selective of those in which I will attend. I am just thankful that people are at least trying to put together events for the scion community and hope they continue to do so.

Tim

i would like to know where is 886 motorwerks at ?? Tracy ??

I wish ppl did say hi when my friends and I went to the meets . We went to the meet in Vallejo and also in Tracy . . . ( we were in the yellow XB , my buddy calls it the magic bus ) I left my TC at home all we wanted was to see how other ppl fixed there Scions . . .and meet new ppl and new friends . . I hope on our next trip would be more pleasant . . .

I remember when I first came around... SCION NIGHT! The first one... Here I was working on my xB cuz somone decided to break into it 2 days before the show. I got so many complimants of the work I was doing at the show was funny... I mean I think me working on the car at the show earned me some side money back then. Anyways... Most people at that show that were showing never said hi to me... Couple did and you know who you are.

Anyways some still havent really ever introduced there self to me... But I still say hi like I have known em for years.

Anyways it has changed and its gonna keep chaning. I put money in my car to be competitive I wont lie. But I am always open to meet others. I love getting ideas and seeing new things. I mean im here to help out the SL people... I sell stuff online, as a side job... I can honestly say that alone wouldnt keep food on the table, and I sell alot.

Its about the friends and the ones you will meet.

When people get back to that life will be so much more happier.

But I will say this. This is why in my crew there are only one car per make and model class... We dont have 2 civic or 2 350z or 2 accord. Theres always somone that takes stuff the wrong way or takes the competiveness to the next level and ruin it foreveryone.

Gesh this must of been the most ive ever written other then a ad to sell stuff....

i can actually go to the bcs new years party this year. as well as all the bcs parties. yay being 21 tomorrow.

all this drama makes me kinda happy that i got outa the scion world. i come back every break looking for some even to attend but there never seems one to go to. im kinda glad because i hear all this stuff going on. if any of the old folks wanna hang out...we can hang out this week while im home for thanksgiving break or maybe during christmas. ill drive the talon, but i wanna see all your cars

You can see mine soon at a used car lot!

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j/k

What's up Edwin!?! Sorry, too many things going on the next 5 days. I'll try and catch up to you at christmas break. I'm sure your friends can fill you in about the latest on my car.

I'm glad to see my wife and I aren't the only ones that see things like this. Since I didn't get my xB back in 04 or 03 for that matter, I am playing catch-up with the mods, sponsorship and friends.
Some people are happy with the tight knit groups they are in. Thats GREAT for them. I am happy they are happy. For me looking in, though, it doesn't seem like a freindly, outgoing, WELCOMING bunch that IT SHOULD BE.
This is just how I see it through MY eyes and it may not be the case...but I have yet to see anyone prove me wrong. This isn't the only post about this topic or VERY similar ones on this board.
I am not trying to ____ anyone off or offend anyone, but being a newb is tough. Really tough. And if I can't get ANY recognition from anyone, then it makes the whole group look bad.
I know not everyone is like this, but "if you're not in, you're OUT". And I am out!
Here's something to think about...If I come to an event and a rep, presenter, dealer, owner only acknowledges those who are majorly modded, sponsored or not, what does that do to the little guys like me? 1. It ____es me off. 2. It makes me want to NOT COME BACK. 3. It shows me that to be 'someone' in this group, I need sponsorship or money or major mods. 4. It doesn't show a "bonding" AT ANY LEVEL that should be there.
Please, people, show a little encouragement to the newbs and lesser modded car owners out there.
WE are the ones who will be buying the products from the companies, NOT the sponsored guys, NOT the guys who are 'done' with their rides. NOT the reps. NOT the dealers. They already have their stuff!
I just hope that if I decide to go to another show/event/meet, that I can at least shake a hand or two...and maybe get a few questions answered! Good luck Jaime with any furure meets you go to.
SMILE everyone! Show some love even if you don't know them. Help a brutha out! The person you help may be helping you down the road!

<--------NEWBIE! BE NICE! WAVE! SHAKE A HAND OR TWO!
A little acknowledgement goes A LONG way!!!

man.... u hit the jackpot!! thats wat i'm talkin abt.... and thats the reason why i run solo now and have lil dinner meets wid 1 or 2 cool cats instead of goin to the meets.... :bow: :bow: :clap: :clap:

I have lotz of pride in my car, heavy modded or not..... :love:

Yup, that's why I'm running solo and trying to decide if I even want to continue with this part of my life. Some peeps just don't know how to seperate the different facets in their life.

I guess its how some peeps are raised. Some are raised to be helpful, and some are just plain predators. Some pay for everything because they know the value of working hard for what they want, and some will..........I won't go any further.

I know that if I saw a face I didn't recognize at a meet, I would walk and talk w/ them, or if I was cleaning the car and they walked up, I would say HI.

And to the new peeps, I apologize I won't be around, to lend an ear about spending money on worthless mods, and about taking care of other matters.

Some peeps will come off as being genuine when you first meet them, but you will quickly see how things change. Don't let the niceness fool you. Its only hiding their alter-EGOs.

I'm prolly better off hanging out the honduh crowd. More friends and business contacts over there anyway. A turbo-charged EK is alot more fun to drive and peeps don't mind talking tech stuff. No secrets w/ them.

Like the sigline says, "It was real, and it was fun, but it wasn't real fun!"

hey squirrel, my name is Calvin.... u totally got wat i was saying..... we can go kick it sometimes, and how u made me wanna buy a EG and mod it from there.....

just from dealing with norcal drama on here i dont know if i would like it there. ive heard all the stories and i tend to lead toward Brad on what has happened. Its kinda crappy but thats politics of it.

Brad, you still have the xB right? You just got a Civic for extra?

PM me if you need anything and Ill be willing to help ya.

Scott

Scott, I still have the xB, for the time being.

I'm scaling waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, and only going to hang out w/ a few close friends from now on. The events I organize aren't even going to be posted here, I'm just going to call a few peeps and hang out.

Calvin, you're good friends w/ Kris, right? Its all good. I'll be in touch also.

yea...... haven't seen kirs for LONG.... so....any lil meet.... PM and let me kno.... oh yea.... i have the lil meet wid another cool cat this Fri, dunno if u wanna join

I don't know what has happened to Brad in the past or to Jaime. My input on this topic is from MY OWN experience.

It seems that the problem is that everyone has their little tight knit group of freinds here and there and are plenty happy with the people they are around. When a new person comes around, the 'groups' tend to stick to their own....which is FINE, but it hurts the new people trying to get involved.
It is like the new people (me, in this instance) are being judged before they even try to get to know anyone. I am on the outside looking in...And I am sorry to say, from what I've seen so far, I really don't like what I am seeing from my angle.

The bad part is, all this drama and complaining (mainly me) will do nothing to change the scene because the people that have been around for awhile don't care whether they welcome people or not. They are content with the friends they have and will not change because of me complaining.

People fail to realize that NOT ALL change is bad. Change is what makes things better. Without it, There would be no new veiws, ideas, positive influence, etc. We need change in our lives to come up with new things to do and see.

If I had a kick-a$$ idea, how would anyone hear of it or see it the way things are now? They wouldn't. It is everyones loss at that point. All because a few people can't leave their comfort zone for an afternoon and be the bigger person and accept that they aren't the only people with a Scion.

Brad, I hate to see you go...but I would hate to see you stay in a group that doesn't acknowledge anything good except for what so-and so's buddy has on his/her car and are blinded to any other rides out there.

Jaime, I don't know the extent of your situation, but good luck to you and it seems that in the long run, you'll be better off without the problems hovering over NorCal.

Jason, you know I want you and your wife to hang out also. And Yes, I still have your cell number.

What changed was, somewhere along the way, some felt they just had to be at a higher level than everyone else. I don't know if it was for ego, recognition factor or what. And when someone else was at that level, and they weren't, they'd revert back to their elementary and junior high school ways.

I personally could care less who got sponsored what and who won what trophy, I enjoyed being around peeps who had the same interests as me. Talking about coming up w/ new mods/ideas, etc.

I wanted something specific done to my car and got laughed at, but then someone else does it, and its the greatest thing. That's when it started happening.

Then I joined SE. I joined because here was another group of ENTHUSIASTS who had the same interests as me. And its been downhill from there.

I made "squirrel express" runs for peeps and never charged a dime for my time or gas, why? Because I THOUGHT I was helping out my friends.

Yes, quite a few are true friends, but some actually had me fooled. Basically, I was used for my generosity.

Peeps came to me because they know I will speak up about a problem, and try and fix it, yet I get labelled the *poop* stirrer. Why? Because peeps know I don't give out names.

So I have now made the decision to scale back my participation and to go and do thigs elsewhere, and I know who to call, and who not to call.

I know some will talk *poop* because I will set up an event for only a few close people. Too bad, and I'm sorry if I hurt whatever feelings you have/had.

So be it. I didn't make the situation the way it is now, I've been trying like heck to get back to the way it used to before Feb04.

But I finally realized you can't change the way some people were brought up and the way they act.

Some may be upset, but like one of my friends said to me today, it is't worth it. I know who my friends are now.

yea...... haven't seen kirs for LONG.... so....any lil meet.... PM and let me kno.... oh yea.... i have the lil meet wid another cool cat this Fri, dunno if u wanna join

Calvin, sorry I have family stuff friday night. Thanksgiving holiday/family weekend stuff. I'll be in touch.

anything next week coming up, i'll PM u.... k?

Calvin, I have to go out of town next friday thru sunday also. My unit is ramping up and the Drill SGT school candidates are prepping for school in Jan.

nice...... g luck on wutever ur working on, holla when u have time

hey brad lemme know whenever u wanna hang . u should have my cell if not. 916 248 9959. and yes i put my number on the internet. oh well it's happened before.

Trophies and raffles shouldn't be the only reason people go to meets at dealerships. Look at the meet we had at Stevens Creek Scion at the beginning of this year. The parking lot (though somewhat small) was packed with people and cars. There wasn't even enough room to move a car out but noone cared because it was all about hanging out and having a good time. There were no trophies. I don't even think there was a raffle.

This is what I'm talking about. I could not have said it better. This was truely one of the best meets ever, just talking, meeting new peep's, checking out others mods, and just having one hell of a good time. Let's get back to this.
I do not mod my box for competition, it's my daily driver (33k miles a year), I mod to personalize it to my own taste and to make it mine and different from others.
I go to meets to have fun and hang with peep's that share the same interest.
I am an old guy, I don't mean one that has been around this group for a long time(well kinda been around awhile) but I mean an OLD GUY (compared to most of you) I have been in many car clubs and motorcycle clubs some with drama and some without so I was not sure what I was getting into. When I first started up with everyone here I was amazed at how great people were and how much fun we had. I was looking at several different cars for a commuter to go to work I chose the Xb I have met many new friends since buying this car and feel even though there were some other cars that may have been better for what I like none of them would have introduced me to the people I know now. For that reason I love my Scion (not for the car, for the people)I know if I lost my car tonight I would still have these friends. Cars come and go friends are forever.

That's my 2 cents